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"Pro-life" legislator likens women to cows |
"Pro-life" legislator likens women to cows
media girl's picture
By media girl, posted Saturday 7 Jan 2006, 12:12 am
Just a couple of weeks ago, I wrote about how South Dakota is treating
women like cows. Now that judgment has been confirmed ... by South
Dakota's own "pro-life" Republican Representative Gordon Howie himself:
When Rep. Gordon Howie, R-Rapid City, mentioned cows and women in
the same breaths at the Chamber of Commerce pre-legislative
crackerbarrel last week, it didn't sit well with some of the folks who
were there.
Because someone in front of me was chattering during questions
from the audience, I wasn't able to catch Howie's precise quote (or
what exactly was being said on another subject by Rep. Tom Hennies
before it). But right after Howie spoke, the firestorm started.
I checked with the Chamber to see if the session was recorded,
since I only half-heard Howie's comment myself and wanted to make sure
I'd get it right. When I was told by the Chamber that they hadn't
taped it, I asked Howie to repeat what he said.
"We place value on life in South Dakota, and even with a mother
cow, as soon as you can demonstrate she is pregnant, an even higher
value is placed just because she is pregnant," Howie said.
So there you have it: a woman's value depends upon whether she's
pregnant or not. A woman's purpose, according to Howie and his
right-wing allies who want to criminalize abortion, is to replenish
the herd.
But wait! Maybe he ended up not saying what he really meant. Maybe it
was a mistake.
Howie said he "enrages" people who don't share his views "because
I just don't mince words. I don't choose them well, either. ... Any
person who really knows who I am knows I don't place women and
livestock on the same level."
No, he says it like he means it. I'm sure he believes women are more
valuable than cows. But his meaning comes through loud and clear:
Women are heifers and the government is the rancher.
http://mediagirl.org/node/1037
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09 Jan 2006 07:44:15 AM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
"Pro-life" legislator likens women to cows
media girl's picture
By media girl, posted Saturday 7 Jan 2006, 12:12 am
Just a couple of weeks ago, I wrote about how South Dakota is treating
women like cows. Now that judgment has been confirmed ... by South
Dakota's own "pro-life" Republican Representative Gordon Howie himself:
When Rep. Gordon Howie, R-Rapid City, mentioned cows and women in
the same breaths at the Chamber of Commerce pre-legislative
crackerbarrel last week, it didn't sit well with some of the folks who
were there.
Because someone in front of me was chattering during questions
from the audience, I wasn't able to catch Howie's precise quote (or
what exactly was being said on another subject by Rep. Tom Hennies
before it). But right after Howie spoke, the firestorm started.
I checked with the Chamber to see if the session was recorded,
since I only half-heard Howie's comment myself and wanted to make sure
I'd get it right. When I was told by the Chamber that they hadn't
taped it, I asked Howie to repeat what he said.
"We place value on life in South Dakota, and even with a mother
cow, as soon as you can demonstrate she is pregnant, an even higher
value is placed just because she is pregnant," Howie said.
So there you have it: a woman's value depends upon whether she's
pregnant or not. A woman's purpose, according to Howie and his
right-wing allies who want to criminalize abortion, is to replenish
the herd.
But wait! Maybe he ended up not saying what he really meant. Maybe it
was a mistake.
Howie said he "enrages" people who don't share his views "because
I just don't mince words. I don't choose them well, either. ... Any
person who really knows who I am knows I don't place women and
livestock on the same level."
No, he says it like he means it. I'm sure he believes women are more
valuable than cows. But his meaning comes through loud and clear:
Women are heifers and the government is the rancher.
http://mediagirl.org/node/1037
I do not vote for anti-abortion politicians - not for any office -
local, state, or federal.
Period.
Cat
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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09 Jan 2006 07:58:55 AM |
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In article <1136814255.289353.230660@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
"Pro-life" legislator likens women to cows
media girl's picture
By media girl, posted Saturday 7 Jan 2006, 12:12 am
Just a couple of weeks ago, I wrote about how South Dakota is treating
women like cows. Now that judgment has been confirmed ... by South
Dakota's own "pro-life" Republican Representative Gordon Howie himself:
When Rep. Gordon Howie, R-Rapid City, mentioned cows and women in
the same breaths at the Chamber of Commerce pre-legislative
crackerbarrel last week, it didn't sit well with some of the folks who
were there.
Because someone in front of me was chattering during questions
from the audience, I wasn't able to catch Howie's precise quote (or
what exactly was being said on another subject by Rep. Tom Hennies
before it). But right after Howie spoke, the firestorm started.
I checked with the Chamber to see if the session was recorded,
since I only half-heard Howie's comment myself and wanted to make sure
I'd get it right. When I was told by the Chamber that they hadn't
taped it, I asked Howie to repeat what he said.
"We place value on life in South Dakota, and even with a mother
cow, as soon as you can demonstrate she is pregnant, an even higher
value is placed just because she is pregnant," Howie said.
So there you have it: a woman's value depends upon whether she's
pregnant or not. A woman's purpose, according to Howie and his
right-wing allies who want to criminalize abortion, is to replenish
the herd.
But wait! Maybe he ended up not saying what he really meant. Maybe it
was a mistake.
Howie said he "enrages" people who don't share his views "because
I just don't mince words. I don't choose them well, either. ... Any
person who really knows who I am knows I don't place women and
livestock on the same level."
No, he says it like he means it. I'm sure he believes women are more
valuable than cows. But his meaning comes through loud and clear:
Women are heifers and the government is the rancher.
http://mediagirl.org/node/1037
I do not vote for anti-abortion politicians - not for any office -
local, state, or federal.
Period.
i think that is a wise way to vote.
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09 Jan 2006 10:06:20 AM |
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i think that is a wise way to vote.
It's a matter of survival.
Cat
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09 Jan 2006 11:48:21 AM |
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writes:
i think that is a wise way to vote.
It's a matter of survival.
No kidding - and it's probably just as well that my wife's not back in South
Dakota, where she fortunately grew up at the other end of the state from where
this legislative loon is running wild in Pennington County. He'd be needing
at least a replacement set of ears if he made that statement in her presence.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Grand Rapids 6, Houston 5 (January 6)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, January 10 vs. Toronto, 7:35
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| User: "J Young" |
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09 Jan 2006 11:57:28 PM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkbqyl8f8a.fsf@fnord.io.com...
catbrier04@yahoo.com writes:
i think that is a wise way to vote.
It's a matter of survival.
No kidding - and it's probably just as well that my wife's not back in
South
Dakota, where she fortunately grew up at the other end of the state from
where
this legislative loon is running wild in Pennington County. He'd be
needing
at least a replacement set of ears if he made that statement in her
presence.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Grand Rapids 6, Houston 5 (January 6)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, January 10 vs. Toronto, 7:35
In your case, a cow might be just what your looking for.
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10 Jan 2006 09:07:28 AM |
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'Lappcatt' abusing loon "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:_YadnawFfJAE0V7eRVn-sQ@giganews.com...
In your case, a cow might be just what your looking for.
Sorry IBen, but *you're* the one with a well-documented beastiality fetish:
"I myself would rather see my own daughter take a chimpanzee than to be
mated with a black."~ J "IBen" Young, mixing incestuous fantasies with his
ongoing beastiality obsession.
Subject: Re: OT: Can jigs be jews?
Date: 15 Dec 2005 01:42:13 -0800
Message-ID: <1134639732.978575.145810@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
LC~ "J" carries the Mark of the Beast(iality).
"Damn you spend a lot of time thinking about bestiality."
From: "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
Message-ID: <YtCdnS4-1qwxGwTenZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@megapath.net>
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09 Jan 2006 02:09:07 PM |
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You misread his comments. He said "an EVEN value is placed just
because she is pregnant." That means the value as already high. What
is the alernative? To place a low value on a woman when she's
pregnant? If so, there goes maternity leave, prenatal care, etc. I'd
agree some politicians have their head in the sand, but this is an
example of trying to drum up hysteria over a comment that may have been
ill-formed, but does not seem malicious.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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09 Jan 2006 11:11:52 PM |
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<weathermansays@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136836492.741590.123290@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
You misread his comments. He said "an EVEN value is placed just
because she is pregnant."
Wrong, you illiterate shitforbrains. If you didn't snip so much, you'd
realize just how fucked up you are:
"...as soon as you can demonstrate she is pregnant, an even higher value is
placed just because she is pregnant,"
An *EVEN HIGHER* value, for you dumbasses in the cheap seats. You may want
to inform that dumb *****, Bimbopatra, that the distortion of the quote was
entirely yours. Reading comprehension isn't her strong suit, and she likely
didn't actually read the article in question, only waited for someone's
coattails to ride on while showing her staggering level of stupidity.
That means the value as already high.
It does not say what you claim.
What
is the alernative?
To value a woman equally, whether she's pregnant or not. Second, women
aren't cattle, and using an analogy with cattle shows, best case and
generous translation, a lack of class and tact, or, worst case, women have
less value when they aren't pumping out offspring.
There, specifically, is your alternative when the proper quote is used:
women who aren't spawning kids are a lesser woman of inferior value.
To place a low value on a woman when she's
pregnant? If so, there goes maternity leave, prenatal care, etc. I'd
agree some politicians have their head in the sand, but this is an
example of trying to drum up hysteria over a comment that may have been
ill-formed, but does not seem malicious.
He equated women to breeding stock, and her value goes up when her body is
used as an incubator.
The initial analysis of the man's words stand validated.
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
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10 Jan 2006 01:32:24 AM |
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I had accidentally left out the word higher in my post, but I stand by
what I wrote and think you're wrong -- and misguided for using
profanity to cover up a weak argument.
If you shoot a pregnant woman and the baby dies, you get tried for the
baby's murder. Therefore, you do have to put a higher value on the life
of a pregnant woman -- because it is actually two lives. Like it or
not, no one will ever view a woman "equally" when she is pregnant -- it
goes against basic human nature. And why is that bad?
And equating women with "breeding stock" may be tasteless, but had he
compared men to bulls, I'd stand by that too. Humans are animals and do
breed. It's ridiculous also to say women have less stock when they're
not pregnant -- men then generally have less stock.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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10 Jan 2006 02:16:49 AM |
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<weathermansays@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136878344.187224.97610@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I had accidentally left out the word higher in my post, but I stand by
what I wrote and think you're wrong -- and misguided for using
profanity to cover up a weak argument.
You misquote something, thereby completely altering the meaning of the
statement, and call my argument weak because of profanity? What a load of
horseshit.
You misquoted.
Furthermore, you've snipped the wording that shows this to be true.
According to the illustrious Gordon Howie, unpregnant women are less
valuable than pregnant women. Period, no two ways about it, no matter how
much you try to distort, misquote, or snivel like a ***** about profanity,
which, I might add, is barely above a spelling flame.
Summary:
You misstated his words, then built your case on the misstatement. You even
continue to do so in this post.
*My* posts, on the other hand, are based on his ACTUAL words.
Now, how far did you stick your head up your ***** to conclude that you're
right and I'm wrong?
If you shoot a pregnant woman and the baby dies, you get tried for the
baby's murder.
As far as the law is concerned, there is no "baby," and your so-called
"argument" continues to have all the substance of whale *****.
First, your misrepresentation of the fetus as a "baby" is attributing
emotions to a parasite on the woman's body. I may call the fetus a "baby"
within the confines of a particular conversation with an expectant woman,
but I neither expect other people, nor the law, to share my sentiment.
Second, to further disabuse you of such a silly notion in your 'example,'
laws that apply to this situation specifically indicate "fetus" under either
a separate statute or a subparagraph of such. It also specifically excludes
things such as elective abortion.
See California Penal Code 187. Hell, I'll quote it for you:
"187. ~a. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with
malice aforethought. b.This section shall not apply to any person who
commits an act that results in the death of a fetus if any of the following
apply:
http://www.godandscience.org/abortion/sld021.html
It is a legal way of acknowledging the wishes of the woman to carry the
pregnancy to term, and the unlawful interruption of said pregnancy by
someone else.
Therefore, you do have to put a higher value on the life
of a pregnant woman -- because it is actually two lives.
Now you've gone from merely misquoting something to just making ***** up.
Howie says nothing about "two lives."
Based on the words of Howie, and specifically deleting the parts you insist
on adding, a pregnant woman has a higher value than a non-pregnant woman,
or, as he states but you keep distorting, "as soon as you can demonstrate
she is pregnant, an even higher value is placed just because she is
pregnant."
Pregnant woman=higher value. Non-pregnant woman=lower value.
No 'second life' is mentioned in the value part. Nor should it be inferred
when it is put into context of pregnant cows.
Like it or
not, no one will ever view a woman "equally" when she is pregnant -- it
goes against basic human nature.
Got some proof to back this up, or is it more conjecture on your part?
Some women consider pregnancy a burden, some even a threat to their health
and life. This is, of course, staying within the assumed constraints of the
circumstances that your ilk generally attribute to a pregnant woman with
such vaguely worded arguments.
And why is that bad?
You haven't proven the existence of this "view," except when women are
viewed as breeding stock, let alone open the discussion of "good" or "bad."
And equating women with "breeding stock" may be tasteless,
That's only half the implication. The other half is that unpregnant women
are of less value, because, as he states, "just because she is pregnant."
Or, in my wording, less value because of non-pregnancy.
Looking at them as incubators also reveals your lack of class or respect for
women.
but had he
compared men to bulls, I'd stand by that too.
Only an idiot would even suggest such a notion. It doesn't even apply to the
subject.
Humans are animals and do
breed.
It's ridiculous also to say women have less stock when they're
not pregnant --
But that's EXACTLY what was implied by the remark "an even higher value is
placed just because she is pregnant."
men then generally have less stock.
Your distortions and red herrings get more farfetched by the minute. At the
logical conclusion of your tripe, one must wonder just how much disdain you
reap upon women that either choose not to get pregnant, or are incapable of
it.
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
-Mr. Worf, set phasers on "***** You" and fire at will. -Doc Smartass
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10 Jan 2006 08:22:18 AM |
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The whole point is this, in a nutshell: Women are not going to allow a
handful of fundamentalist loonies to tell us what to do with our own
bodies. If you don't like abortion - don't get one.
Controlling other people's, like capital punishment, illegal domestic
spying, and regulating who can marry whom are not just big government -
it's OPPRESSIVE government.
How many different ways are there to tell the American Taliban to
"*****-off!"
Cat
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10 Jan 2006 09:01:16 AM |
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The whole point is this, in a nutshell: Women are not going to allow a
handful of fundamentalist loonies to tell us what to do with our own
bodies. If you don't like abortion - don't get one.
But yet it's alright for women to enslave men for 18 years agains their
will right?
Oh wait, you probably think he should have kept his pants zipped up and
the woman is the poor innocent victim.
It's o.k. to deny a man his fatherly rights unless she needs a paycheck
from month to month, right?
The issue isn't equal at all.
But I suppose you would rather just turn your head and look the other
way.
A woman, at the drop of a few hundred dollars can escape parenthood by
just hiring the hitman (abortionist) to kill her unborn child.
She can do this for any of the following reasons...
a) she doesn't want to be a mother
b) she isn't prepared financially
c) she has other goals in life she wants to finish first.
The man can have the exact same reasons for not wanting to be a father
and paying for the raising of a child...yet he has no say what so ever.
His choice is simple..
pay support
or
go to jail
Don't pass go and collect $200.00
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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10 Jan 2006 11:13:25 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
catbrier04@yahoo.com wrote:
The whole point is this, in a nutshell: Women are not going to allow a
handful of fundamentalist loonies to tell us what to do with our own
bodies. If you don't like abortion - don't get one.
But yet it's alright for women to enslave men for 18 years agains their
will right?
No one's interested in what wrecked your first marriage, Spud.
Oh wait, you probably think he should have kept his pants zipped up and
the woman is the poor innocent victim.
It's o.k. to deny a man his fatherly rights unless she needs a paycheck
from month to month, right?
The issue isn't equal at all.
There's a reason for that, in case you haven't noticed: women are the only
ones bearing the children. Until such time as you can be impregnated, you'll
get what you got.
But I suppose you would rather just turn your head and look the other
way.
....says the prison babysitter who does that when he feels like it.
A woman, at the drop of a few hundred dollars can escape parenthood by
just hiring the hitman (abortionist) to kill her unborn child.
Murder is illegal, abortion isn't. Follow the logic, if you dare.
She can do this for any of the following reasons...
a) she doesn't want to be a mother
b) she isn't prepared financially
c) she has other goals in life she wants to finish first.
The man can have the exact same reasons for not wanting to be a father
and paying for the raising of a child...yet he has no say what so ever.
That's because of the basic biological fact I mentioned.
His choice is simple..
pay support
or
go to jail
Don't pass go and collect $200.00
or...whine like the owned ***** you are on this issue.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Grand Rapids 6, Houston 5 (January 6)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, January 10 vs. Toronto, 7:35
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10 Jan 2006 11:56:36 AM |
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This is actually very revealing. All the conservatives state arguments,
then the liberals respond with profanity and name calling! So that's
the game...
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10 Jan 2006 12:34:59 PM |
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<weathermansays@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is actually very revealing. All the conservatives state arguments,
As in "People must do as I say!"
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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10 Jan 2006 12:05:46 PM |
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writes:
This is actually very revealing. All the conservatives state arguments,
then the liberals respond with profanity and name calling! So that's
the game...
You're to the left of me as far as the political spectrum goes, kid.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Grand Rapids 6, Houston 5 (January 6)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, January 10 vs. Toronto, 7:35
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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10 Jan 2006 07:47:10 PM |
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In article <1136904598.949442.169220@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
catbrier04@yahoo.com wrote:
The whole point is this, in a nutshell: Women are not going to allow a
handful of fundamentalist loonies to tell us what to do with our own
bodies. If you don't like abortion - don't get one.
But yet it's alright for women to enslave men for 18 years agains their
will right?
that's your strawman, coward bobby. no woman has refused a pregnant
male the right to terminate his pregnancy.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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10 Jan 2006 09:48:41 AM |
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In article <1136904598.949442.169220@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
catbrier04@yahoo.com wrote:
The whole point is this, in a nutshell: Women are not going to allow a
handful of fundamentalist loonies to tell us what to do with our own
bodies. If you don't like abortion - don't get one.
But yet it's alright for women to enslave men for 18 years agains their
will right?
Osprey is bitter about having to take responsibility for his children.
Oh wait, you probably think he should have kept his pants zipped up and
the woman is the poor innocent victim.
Then he says, "Oh wait, you think..." and from there argues as though
you actually said that.
It's o.k. to deny a man his fatherly rights unless she needs a paycheck
from month to month, right?
The issue isn't equal at all.
It isn't supposed to be.
But I suppose you would rather just turn your head and look the other
way.
Then Osprey does it again.
A woman, at the drop of a few hundred dollars can escape parenthood by
just hiring the hitman (abortionist) to kill her unborn child.
So you feel that when your wife had an abortion she was hiring a hit
man. Interesting.
She can do this for any of the following reasons...
a) she doesn't want to be a mother
b) she isn't prepared financially
c) she has other goals in life she wants to finish first.
or d) Any other reason, you idiot.
The man can have the exact same reasons for not wanting to be a father
and paying for the raising of a child...yet he has no say what so ever.
Total and complete *****. Stop whining about how you have to pay
child support! The man can do exactly as the woman. He can think
about it, and give it a thumbs up or down. But in the end, the woman
makes the final choice and that really bothers you. You can't control
her so you are angry.
His choice is simple..
pay support
or
go to jail
The country is full of men who don't pay child support for their
children and don't go to jail.
In the past Osprey has complained that the reason get abortions is they
are pressured by their husbands or boyfriends. Now he says men are
helpless. Osprey will say anything.
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| User: "George" |
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10 Jan 2006 11:20:31 AM |
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On 2006-01-10 07:48:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> said:
In article <1136904598.949442.169220@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
catbrier04@yahoo.com wrote:
The whole point is this, in a nutshell: Women are not going to allow a
handful of fundamentalist loonies to tell us what to do with our own
bodies. If you don't like abortion - don't get one.
But yet it's alright for women to enslave men for 18 years agains their
will right?
Osprey is bitter about having to take responsibility for his children.
Oh wait, you probably think he should have kept his pants zipped up and
the woman is the poor innocent victim.
Then he says, "Oh wait, you think..." and from there argues as though
you actually said that.
It's o.k. to deny a man his fatherly rights unless she needs a paycheck
from month to month, right?
The issue isn't equal at all.
It isn't supposed to be.
But I suppose you would rather just turn your head and look the other
way.
Then Osprey does it again.
A woman, at the drop of a few hundred dollars can escape parenthood by
just hiring the hitman (abortionist) to kill her unborn child.
So you feel that when your wife had an abortion she was hiring a hit
man. Interesting.
She can do this for any of the following reasons...
a) she doesn't want to be a mother
b) she isn't prepared financially
c) she has other goals in life she wants to finish first.
or d) Any other reason, you idiot.
The man can have the exact same reasons for not wanting to be a father
and paying for the raising of a child...yet he has no say what so ever.
Total and complete *****. Stop whining about how you have to pay
child support! The man can do exactly as the woman. He can think
about it, and give it a thumbs up or down. But in the end, the woman
makes the final choice and that really bothers you. You can't control
her so you are angry.
His choice is simple..
pay support
or
go to jail
The country is full of men who don't pay child support for their
children and don't go to jail.
In the past Osprey has complained that the reason get abortions is they
are pressured by their husbands or boyfriends. Now he says men are
helpless. Osprey will say anything.
It sounds like Osprey is paying child support and angry about it.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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10 Jan 2006 09:16:59 PM |
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In article <2006011009203143658%ggains@waddfredu>, George
<ggains@waddfr.edu> wrote:
On 2006-01-10 07:48:41 -0800, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> said:
In article <1136904598.949442.169220@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
catbrier04@yahoo.com wrote:
The whole point is this, in a nutshell: Women are not going to allow a
handful of fundamentalist loonies to tell us what to do with our own
bodies. If you don't like abortion - don't get one.
But yet it's alright for women to enslave men for 18 years agains their
will right?
Osprey is bitter about having to take responsibility for his children.
Oh wait, you probably think he should have kept his pants zipped up and
the woman is the poor innocent victim.
Then he says, "Oh wait, you think..." and from there argues as though
you actually said that.
It's o.k. to deny a man his fatherly rights unless she needs a paycheck
from month to month, right?
The issue isn't equal at all.
It isn't supposed to be.
But I suppose you would rather just turn your head and look the other
way.
Then Osprey does it again.
A woman, at the drop of a few hundred dollars can escape parenthood by
just hiring the hitman (abortionist) to kill her unborn child.
So you feel that when your wife had an abortion she was hiring a hit
man. Interesting.
She can do this for any of the following reasons...
a) she doesn't want to be a mother
b) she isn't prepared financially
c) she has other goals in life she wants to finish first.
or d) Any other reason, you idiot.
The man can have the exact same reasons for not wanting to be a father
and paying for the raising of a child...yet he has no say what so ever.
Total and complete *****. Stop whining about how you have to pay
child support! The man can do exactly as the woman. He can think
about it, and give it a thumbs up or down. But in the end, the woman
makes the final choice and that really bothers you. You can't control
her so you are angry.
His choice is simple..
pay support
or
go to jail
The country is full of men who don't pay child support for their
children and don't go to jail.
In the past Osprey has complained that the reason get abortions is they
are pressured by their husbands or boyfriends. Now he says men are
helpless. Osprey will say anything.
It sounds like Osprey is paying child support and angry about it.
Apparently. He only thinks of himself so you have to figure that is
the case.
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| User: "* US *" |
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10 Jan 2006 05:17:19 PM |
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On 10 Jan 2006 07:01:16 -0800, "ostrich" <noneedtothink@idiot.com> wrote:
But yet it's alright for women to enslave men for 18 years agains their
will right?
You're so stupid. No woman ever forced any man
to give up responsibility for his own paternity.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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10 Jan 2006 10:02:35 AM |
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osprey lied:
I
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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| User: "" |
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10 Jan 2006 11:59:55 AM |
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Try as you might, you will never change human nature and people will
always view pregnant women as different. They will get deferential
treatment. They're even think about giving them special parking spaces
in Virginia.
Your straw man arguments are so see-thru it's hilarious -- I have
disdain for women who can't get pregnant? Yeah that's it! Your
agrument from here on in should be with human nature,. not me. The
funny thing is, I'm not even pro-life, I just think the original post
was misguided.
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| User: "osprey" |
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10 Jan 2006 01:46:04 AM |
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wrote:
I had accidentally left out the word higher in my post, but I stand by
what I wrote and think you're wrong -- and misguided for using
profanity to cover up a weak argument.
Well 99% of the time they have weak arguments. The profanity is just
to try and mask their frustration and to divert attention from the
issue. It's a common tactic.
If you shoot a pregnant woman and the baby dies, you get tried for the
baby's murder. Therefore, you do have to put a higher value on the life
of a pregnant woman -- because it is actually two lives. Like it or
not, no one will ever view a woman "equally" when she is pregnant -- it
goes against basic human nature. And why is that bad?
And equating women with "breeding stock" may be tasteless, but had he
compared men to bulls, I'd stand by that too. Humans are animals and do
breed. It's ridiculous also to say women have less stock when they're
not pregnant -- men then generally have less stock.
I think you are absolutely right and these leftist will take any and
all advantages at trying to be deceptive. While I don't necessarily
agree with how he put his statement, I think I know what he is trying
to say.
He is trying to say that we as a society place a woman on a higher
level when we realize she is pregnant. Look at how society treats
pregnant women...men and other women alike go out of their way to make
sure a pregnant woman is comfortable, that she isn't over working or
doing something that could cause harm to herself or to the unborn
child.
It's only natural, as human beings, that we try to protect.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: "Pro-life" legislator likens women to cows |
10 Jan 2006 07:49:49 PM |
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In article <1136879164.042243.119700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
I think you are absolutely right and these leftist will take any and
all advantages at trying to be deceptive.
"If you are going to make the claim, prove it. "
coward bobby heishman posting as osprey
news:8912d58d.0307090126.4a25ab87@posting.google.com:
"Liar. Having NO credibility.
.....
IMMATURE liar."
-xanadu222@mchsi.com (Craig Chilton) to ospery
Message-ID: <3e003cb4.45015725@netnews.mchsi.com>
"All you do is demonstrate that you are
a coward that can't support his position.
You toss this ***** around and
when people call you on it you claim
you won't discuss it. Cowardly.
....
And, again, don't expect to be treated with
any respect on this newsgroup if you continue
to avoid the difficult issues and only want
to talk about the easy ones. It is cowardly."
-David Barnes <dbarnes@barnsco.com> to ospery
Message-ID: <110320031640052091%dbarnes@barnsco.com>
"You're a chickenshit coward who hides behind
bars on the prison system. They know that
you have the entire state legal system to
protect your chickenshit little *****.
....
You don't respect anybody, chickenhawk.
That's why you keep running away every time
you're proven to be a dishonest coward."
(Ray Fischer) to ospery
Message-ID: <b4gb16$j03$1@bolt.sonic.net>
"Apparently, you feel that if someone doesn't believe your lies,
that you should continue to screech them over and over in an
attempt to convince someone that what you're saying has any
value. This isn't kindergarten Asspry, and no matter how many
times you screech your lies, they will continue to BE lies."
(pr0r3p) writing to coward osprey (bobby
heishman) in <1686c3b8.0401271759.27fa1e9e@posting.google.com>
"You're like the child who has cake all over his face, yet denies
having eaten the cake." (pr0r3p) writing to
coward osprey (bobby heishman)
in <1686c3b8.0401290731.17ace3b1@posting.google.com>
"You start with your scummy lies every time somebody
dares to tell the truth about you. You have so little
understanding
of morals that you have used every despicable lie and then tried
to justify it by whining "they did it first""
(Ray Fischer) writing to coward bobby
heishman in <c71c0u$2ml$1@bolt.sonic.net>
"That osprey is a liar."
From: "ouroboros rex" <c-b...@itg.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: NeoCon Moron "Osprey" Continues To Make a Fool Of Himself
(Why
Are NeoCon Such Dishonest Idiots?)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:20:51 -0500
Message-ID: <cj9p6j$ehp$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu>
"Obviously critical thinking skills is not a job requirement for prison
guards."
From:
Message-ID:
"Ignorance is Bliss, and you are full of it."
From: "kurttrail" <dontemai...@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org>
Message-ID:
"Too bad you aren't smart enough to understand."
Message-ID:
"Osprey is a moron, every post just proves that beyond a shadow of a
doubt. Of course, Osprey isn't interested in the facts"
From: Brian Henderson <BrianL.Hender...@NOSPAM.verizon.net>
Message-ID:
Will you EVER stop spouting this claptrap???? EVER???
Message-ID:
"But since we all know that the chick_hen_hawk heishman is an idiot, a
liar
and a hypocrite, it doesn't really matter what the fool thinks or
says."
Message-ID: Xns9460763D4707CSD@153.80.109.11
"So, this proves one of two things. Either Osprey is too stupid to
understand he is making a totally illogical argument, or he does
recognize that it is an illogical argument buts uses it anyway."
Message-ID: 090920032159472190%john@amelgmm.com
"Will someone who lives in the same alternative reality as Bobby PLEASE
call the following to his attention?"
Message-ID:
"The point was that Heishman is an idiot, and his fucked up attitude
will
garner him no support whatsoever"
Message-ID: <Clhcb.85976$z32.63132@twister.austin.rr.com>
"But it is still a specific number so you lied about that. And it is
wrong."
Message-ID:
"osprey has given new meaning to the word "coward.""
Message-ID: <Xns947E593D7D3FEkeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4>
"I have never seen someone defend a misreading as strongly as you
do. I am sorry you can't understand a sentence that complex.
Now is there anyone else out there who reads my comment the way
Osprey did?
I judge your reading comprehension when you show you can't read a
simple sentence."
From: Matt Silberstein <matts2nopam@ix netcom.nospamcom>
Message-ID: <509240tfhfcur48mv4fjfrgcfcsfjs30ee@4ax.com>
"Osprey is a moron who blindly agrees with whatever the Republican
White
House does. He is this newsgroups version of Bill O'Riley, Ann
Coulter, or Joe Scarborough."
From: John Signorelli <j...@amelgmm.com>
Message-ID: <020820032022410314%john@amelgmm.com>
"Osprey is a moron. Feel sorry for him and let him go."
Message-ID: 271020042011286317%spam@aol.com
"poor coward bobby lies about his lies."
Message-ID: Xns93A18A599AEEkeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.165
"In spite of my low opinion of Bobby, I believe that if he took the
intiative to unravel his over-lapped web of blatant lies, accept
responsibility for his action, he might find the right path to
adulthood."
From: krisblake4...@cs.comnospam (Krisblake4eva)
Subject: Re: Heishman's double-speak
Message-ID:
"You lied, Heishman."
Subject: Re: Robert Heishman is a liar
Message-ID: bd0n59$5cq$1@bolt.sonic.net
"Why don't you just apologise to the people
you keep misrepresenting and give it up.
All of the names on your list that I recognise
are people that are well known to be
pro-choice, and not "pro-abortion"."
Message-ID:
"Why must you lie?"
Message-ID:
"And Bobby *still* can't understand the written word. Oh well, it's not
like I expected him to be able to address the point, so he's reduced
to making ***** up, as usual."
Message-ID:
"***** Heishman implicitely admits that he was lying.
But nobody is surprised."
Message-ID: cso0c9$pdt$1@bolt.sonic.net
"Why can you never state
your case without lying, Bobby?"
Message-ID:
"I did not expect anything "honest" coming from the fingers of
Robert Heishman, USENET's most prolific liar. ;-)"
Message-ID: <20030619130209.09323.00001689@mb-m07.news.cs.com
And my personal favorite:
"You know, I've seen some incredible pussies post to t.a over the
years, but after seeing his webboard shennannigans, I have to say
that Heishman is the pussiest of them all."
From: Matt Pillsbury <m...@seesig.com>
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion
Subject: Re: Osprey gets caught lying again
Date: 28 Jan 2004 00:02:35 -0800
Message-ID:
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10 Jan 2006 09:24:00 AM |
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In article <1136879164.042243.119700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
And equating women with "breeding stock" may be tasteless, but had he
compared men to bulls, I'd stand by that too. Humans are animals and do
breed. It's ridiculous also to say women have less stock when they're
not pregnant -- men then generally have less stock.
I think you are absolutely right and these leftist will take any and
all advantages at trying to be deceptive.
Boo Hoo...
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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10 Jan 2006 10:01:47 AM |
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osprey lied:
I
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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09 Jan 2006 04:10:35 PM |
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X-No-archive: yes
weathermansays@yahoo.com wrote:
You misread his comments. He said "an EVEN value is placed just
because she is pregnant." That means the value as already high. What
is the alernative? To place a low value on a woman when she's
pregnant? If so, there goes maternity leave, prenatal care, etc. I'd
agree some politicians have their head in the sand, but this is an
example of trying to drum up hysteria over a comment that may have been
ill-formed, but does not seem malicious.
Beautiful analysis, Weatherman. These shrill, leftist abortovorkians
specialize in manufacturing controversy where none exists and drumming
up bogus "ithues" to peddle their murderous nihilism.
Whenever any conservative attacks any of the zillions of outrageous
claims made by anyone in their camp, out come the slide rules and law
books by way of parsing every single word to a faretheewell. Yeppers,
then they want cites and documentation going back to the Jurassic.
OTOH, imbeciles like Catholic Basher Keegan and the rest in here are
totally free to distort beyond recognition every comment made by anyone
on the other side. Nope, all that's needed when THEY interpret what was
said is their own infallible judgement. And here we all thought the
Pope has a good thing going!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Jan 2006 04:33:48 PM |
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Deopatra <Rumprider_Ridge@hotmail.com> wrote:
X-No-archive: yes
weathermansays@yahoo.com wrote:
You misread his comments. He said "an EVEN value is placed just
because she is pregnant." That means the value as already high. What
is the alernative? To place a low value on a woman when she's
pregnant? If so, there goes maternity leave, prenatal care, etc. I'd
agree some politicians have their head in the sand, but this is an
example of trying to drum up hysteria over a comment that may have been
ill-formed, but does not seem malicious.
Beautiful analysis, Weatherman. These shrill, leftist abortovorkians
96% on the irony meter.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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09 Jan 2006 11:05:24 AM |
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In article <1136822780.527454.119090@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
i think that is a wise way to vote.
It's a matter of survival.
i agree. pretty soon we'll be burning witches at the stake again,
unless something changes.
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