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Prominent U.S. Physicists Tell The Nuclear Cowboy That He's A Wackjob & He Better Refine His 'Deciding' Skills |
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear
weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning that such
action would have "disastrous consequences for the security of the
United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
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24 Apr 2006 03:53:56 AM |
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"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear
weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning that such
action would have "disastrous consequences for the security of the
United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic nukes?
Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from widespread fallout, etc.
Probably not a real good idea to do no matter which type.
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24 Apr 2006 11:03:52 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear
weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning that such
action would have "disastrous consequences for the security of the
United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic nukes?
Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from widespread fallout, etc.
Probably not a real good idea to do no matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India and
expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels of
radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html
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24 Apr 2006 11:13:13 AM |
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"Boy Toy" <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear
weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning that such
action would have "disastrous consequences for the security of the
United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic nukes?
Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from widespread fallout,
etc.
Probably not a real good idea to do no matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India and
expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels of
radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html
It'd make the world a better place though!
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26 Apr 2006 06:32:09 PM |
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Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in
news:7etp4212o66ppube51847pv20o23auu4qa@4ax.com:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
<Xns97AF27AB4556mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>
"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear
weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning that such
action would have "disastrous consequences for the security of the
United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic nukes?
Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from widespread fallout,
etc. Probably not a real good idea to do no matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India and
expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels of
radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-bust
er-rnep-animation.html
I have a bit of a problem with the animation. With all the nuclear bomb
tests carried out in the Nevada desert, you would think that the entire US
Midwest would be sterilized.
Here is what I am referring to:
http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/iraq/tactical.html
I still say it may be a bad idea to deploy such weapons. All it takes is
one crazed ***** (pick any one of them) and this could escalate into
something rather catastrophic.
On the plus side, that would likely be the end of religion and possibly a
few other things too.
The Australian Outback is starting to look good.
pierce
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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27 Apr 2006 12:17:30 PM |
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in
news:7etp4212o66ppube51847pv20o23auu4qa@4ax.com:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
<Xns97AF27AB4556mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>
"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear
weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning that such
action would have "disastrous consequences for the security of the
United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic nukes?
Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from widespread fallout,
etc. Probably not a real good idea to do no matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India and
expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels of
radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-bust
er-rnep-animation.html
I have a bit of a problem with the animation. With all the nuclear bomb
tests carried out in the Nevada desert, you would think that the entire US
Midwest would be sterilized.
Smaller bomb tests and a lot of them were underground. Even so,
worldwide radiation levels did go up.
Here is what I am referring to:
http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/iraq/tactical.html
"Damage from a thousand pound warhead would be confined to
the building hit."
Somebody would have truly stupid to believe that.
I still say it may be a bad idea to deploy such weapons. All it takes is
one crazed ***** (pick any one of them) and this could escalate into
something rather catastrophic.
On the plus side, that would likely be the end of religion and possibly a
few other things too.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Apr 2006 11:20:53 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in news:4450fcaa$0$1591
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in
news:7etp4212o66ppube51847pv20o23auu4qa@4ax.com:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
<Xns97AF27AB4556mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>
"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear
weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning that such
action would have "disastrous consequences for the security of the
United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic nukes?
Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from widespread fallout,
etc. Probably not a real good idea to do no matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India and
expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels of
radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-bust
er-rnep-animation.html
I have a bit of a problem with the animation. With all the nuclear bomb
tests carried out in the Nevada desert, you would think that the entire US
Midwest would be sterilized.
Smaller bomb tests and a lot of them were underground. Even so,
worldwide radiation levels did go up.
I wil let you peruse the Nuclear Weapons Archive and see for yourself just
how exaggerated the claim that "3 million" would die from a single 1 mT bomb
exploding underground.
A lot of them were underground? Is "a lot" 50%? 10%? 80.3%?
The first underground test was in 1957. The first series of underground
tests started in 1963.
I will let you do the tabulations.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/
or
http://www.nv.doe.gov/news&pubs/publications/historyreports/pdfs/DOENV209
_REV15.pdf
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Library/Catalog
http://www.nv.doe.gov/news&pubs/publications/historyreports/Radiological.htm
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Nevada.html
http://rex.nci.nih.gov/INTRFCE_GIFS/WHTNEW_INTR_DOC.htm
Here is what it says about the tests in the US.
"Ever since nuclear testing began it has been very difficult to get a useful
accounting of human exposures to the fallout from these tests. Partly this
was motivated by military secrecy, partly by a desire to allay public fears
(i.e public relations reasons), and partly by a fear of possible legal action
by actual of potential victims. Some exposure related incidents have been
revealed due to the impossibility of hiding them: namely the high radiation
exposures of the Marshallese and the Japanese aboard the Fifth Lucky Dragon
after the Castle Bravo disaster. But most information on this subject has
been withheld, deliberated buried in obscure reports, or never collected
(this is the principle of being careful not to learn what you don't want to
know). This information has slowly come to light in bits and pieces over the
last 20 years.
What is probably the most important study of the health effects of testing
were announced by the National Cancer Institute in August of 1997, and
released in October. The study report is now available on line: National
Cancer Institute Study Estimating Thyroid Doses of I-131 Received by
Americans From Nevada Atmospheric Nuclear Bomb Test.
The basic finding of the report is that internal exposures to radioiodine (I-
131) in fallout from continental nucelar testing was the most serious health
consequence. Radioiodine concentrates in milk when consumed by cows when
grazing, and then concentrates in human thyroid glands when contaminated milk
is ingested. This concentration effect is especially strong in children. The
NCI study estimates that the average American alive at the time received a
thyroid radiation exposure of 2 rads, with some people receiving up to 300
rads. The effect of these exposures is to boost the chance of contracting
thyroid cancer some time during a lifetime. This cancer is normally not very
rare, and is highly treatable (as cancers go). It is possible to estimate the
overall effect of the total radiation exposure of the American population.
From the 380 million person-rads of total exposure roughly 120,000 extra
cases of thyroid cancer can be expected to develop, resulting in some 6,000
deaths [See note]. For comparison, the worst industrial disaster in history
(Bhopal, India; 3 December 1984) killed about 3000 people and injured
150,000"
There are some interestng stories on the nuclearweaponsarchive website. Like
this one:
"The Thunderwell Story
The February/March 1992 issue of Air & Space magazine, published by the
Smithsonian, contained an article about nuclear rocket propulsion:
Overachiever
"Every kid who has put a firecracker under a tin can understands the
principle of using high explosives to loft an object into space. What was
novel to scientists at Los Alamos [the atomic laboratory in New Mexico] was
the idea of using an atomic bomb as propellant. That strategy was the
serendipitous result of an experiment that had gone somewhat awry.
"Project Thunderwell was the inspiration of astrophysicist Bob Brownlee,
who in the summer of 1957 was faced with the problem of containing
underground an explosion, expected to be equivalent to a few hundred tons of
dynamite. Brownlee put the bomb at the bottom of a 500-foot vertical tunnel
in the Nevada desert, sealing the opening with a four-inch thick steel plate
weighing several hundred pounds. He knew the lid would be blown off; he
didn't know exactly how fast. High-speed cameras caught the giant manhole
cover as it began its unscheduled flight into history. Based upon his
calculations and the evidence from the cameras, Brownlee estimated that the
steel plate was traveling at a velocity six times that needed to escape
Earth's gravity when it soared into the flawless blue Nevada sky. 'We never
found it. It was gone,' Brownlee says, a touch of awe in his voice almost 35
years later.
"The following October the Soviet Union launched Sputnik, billed as the
first man-made object in Earth orbit. Brownlee has never publicly challenged
the Soviet's claim. But he has his doubts."
Then later it says "The fact that the projectile was not found of course is
no proof of a successful space launch." which remind me of all the evidence
we have for the resurrecton of Jesus. We have no dead Jesus. If there were
a dead Jesus, it would really ***** up the story.
Anyway, I still say it isn't a good idea to be deploying strategic nukes.
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28 Apr 2006 12:47:45 AM |
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in news:4450fcaa$0$1591
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in
news:7etp4212o66ppube51847pv20o23auu4qa@4ax.com:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
<Xns97AF27AB4556mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>
"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear
weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning that such
action would have "disastrous consequences for the security of the
United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic nukes?
Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from widespread fallout,
etc. Probably not a real good idea to do no matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India and
expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels of
radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-bust
er-rnep-animation.html
I have a bit of a problem with the animation. With all the nuclear bomb
tests carried out in the Nevada desert, you would think that the entire US
Midwest would be sterilized.
Smaller bomb tests and a lot of them were underground. Even so,
worldwide radiation levels did go up.
I wil let you peruse the Nuclear Weapons Archive and see for yourself just
how exaggerated the claim that "3 million" would die from a single 1 mT bomb
exploding underground.
A 1MT bomb is about 20 times the size of the bomb dropped on
Hiroshima.
A lot of them were underground? Is "a lot" 50%? 10%? 80.3%?
Dunno. I'd guess 80%.
The first underground test was in 1957. The first series of underground
tests started in 1963.
I will let you do the tabulations.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/
Looks like about 80%
And don;t forget that these "bunker buster" weapons are among the
dirtiest, throwing up large quantities of radioactive material.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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28 Apr 2006 07:58:58 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in news:4450fcaa$0$1591
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in
news:7etp4212o66ppube51847pv20o23auu4qa@4ax.com:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
<Xns97AF27AB4556mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>
"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use
nuclear weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning
that such action would have "disastrous consequences for the
security of the United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic
nukes? Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from
widespread fallout, etc. Probably not a real good idea to do no
matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India and
expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels of
radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-
bust er-rnep-animation.html
I have a bit of a problem with the animation. With all the nuclear
bomb tests carried out in the Nevada desert, you would think that the
entire US Midwest would be sterilized.
Smaller bomb tests and a lot of them were underground. Even so,
worldwide radiation levels did go up.
I wil let you peruse the Nuclear Weapons Archive and see for yourself
just how exaggerated the claim that "3 million" would die from a single
1 mT bomb exploding underground.
A 1MT bomb is about 20 times the size of the bomb dropped on
Hiroshima.
A lot of them were underground? Is "a lot" 50%? 10%? 80.3%?
Dunno. I'd guess 80%.
The first underground test was in 1957. The first series of underground
tests started in 1963.
I will let you do the tabulations.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/
Looks like about 80%
And don;t forget that these "bunker buster" weapons are among the
dirtiest, throwing up large quantities of radioactive material.
I still say it isn't a real good idea to be deploying nukes tactical or
not.
Now if there was a proposale to turn the "Holy Land" into a desolate glass
coated death zone for the next 1000 years, I would vote for that. My
theory is that if you have two kids fighting over a toy and will not stop,
I take the toy away from them. If it still persists, them I destroy the
toy while they watch. Poof! No more fighting.
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28 Apr 2006 11:51:49 AM |
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in news:4450fcaa$0$1591
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in
news:7etp4212o66ppube51847pv20o23auu4qa@4ax.com:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
<Xns97AF27AB4556mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>
"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use
nuclear weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning
that such action would have "disastrous consequences for the
security of the United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic
nukes? Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from
widespread fallout, etc. Probably not a real good idea to do no
matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India and
expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels of
radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-
bust er-rnep-animation.html
I have a bit of a problem with the animation. With all the nuclear
bomb tests carried out in the Nevada desert, you would think that the
entire US Midwest would be sterilized.
Smaller bomb tests and a lot of them were underground. Even so,
worldwide radiation levels did go up.
I wil let you peruse the Nuclear Weapons Archive and see for yourself
just how exaggerated the claim that "3 million" would die from a single
1 mT bomb exploding underground.
A 1MT bomb is about 20 times the size of the bomb dropped on
Hiroshima.
A lot of them were underground? Is "a lot" 50%? 10%? 80.3%?
Dunno. I'd guess 80%.
The first underground test was in 1957. The first series of underground
tests started in 1963.
I will let you do the tabulations.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/
Looks like about 80%
And don;t forget that these "bunker buster" weapons are among the
dirtiest, throwing up large quantities of radioactive material.
I still say it isn't a real good idea to be deploying nukes tactical or
not.
Now if there was a proposale to turn the "Holy Land" into a desolate glass
coated death zone for the next 1000 years, I would vote for that.
Because you're a genocial racist.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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28 Apr 2006 01:57:21 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in news:4450fcaa$0$1591
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in
news:7etp4212o66ppube51847pv20o23auu4qa@4ax.com:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written
a letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use
nuclear weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning
that such action would have "disastrous consequences for the
security of the United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic
nukes? Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from
widespread fallout, etc. Probably not a real good idea to do no
matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India
and expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels
of radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunke
r- bust er-rnep-animation.html
I have a bit of a problem with the animation. With all the nuclear
bomb tests carried out in the Nevada desert, you would think that
the entire US Midwest would be sterilized.
Smaller bomb tests and a lot of them were underground. Even so,
worldwide radiation levels did go up.
I wil let you peruse the Nuclear Weapons Archive and see for yourself
just how exaggerated the claim that "3 million" would die from a
single 1 mT bomb exploding underground.
A 1MT bomb is about 20 times the size of the bomb dropped on
Hiroshima.
A lot of them were underground? Is "a lot" 50%? 10%? 80.3%?
Dunno. I'd guess 80%.
The first underground test was in 1957. The first series of
underground tests started in 1963.
I will let you do the tabulations.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/
Looks like about 80%
And don;t forget that these "bunker buster" weapons are among the
dirtiest, throwing up large quantities of radioactive material.
I still say it isn't a real good idea to be deploying nukes tactical or
not.
Now if there was a proposale to turn the "Holy Land" into a desolate
glass coated death zone for the next 1000 years, I would vote for that.
Because you're a genocial racist.
Where did you see that I said that I wanted to kill people? Are you
purposly trolling? I said to turn the place into a wasteland, not kill
people.
pierce
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Prominent U.S. Physicists Tell The Nuclear Cowboy That He's A Wackjob & He Better Refine His 'Deciding' Skills |
28 Apr 2006 10:29:55 PM |
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
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R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in news:4450fcaa$0$1591
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in
news:7etp4212o66ppube51847pv20o23auu4qa@4ax.com:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written
a letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use
nuclear weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning
that such action would have "disastrous consequences for the
security of the United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic
nukes? Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from
widespread fallout, etc. Probably not a real good idea to do no
matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India
and expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels
of radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunke
r- bust er-rnep-animation.html
I have a bit of a problem with the animation. With all the nuclear
bomb tests carried out in the Nevada desert, you would think that
the entire US Midwest would be sterilized.
Smaller bomb tests and a lot of them were underground. Even so,
worldwide radiation levels did go up.
I wil let you peruse the Nuclear Weapons Archive and see for yourself
just how exaggerated the claim that "3 million" would die from a
single 1 mT bomb exploding underground.
A 1MT bomb is about 20 times the size of the bomb dropped on
Hiroshima.
A lot of them were underground? Is "a lot" 50%? 10%? 80.3%?
Dunno. I'd guess 80%.
The first underground test was in 1957. The first series of
underground tests started in 1963.
I will let you do the tabulations.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/
Looks like about 80%
And don;t forget that these "bunker buster" weapons are among the
dirtiest, throwing up large quantities of radioactive material.
I still say it isn't a real good idea to be deploying nukes tactical or
not.
Now if there was a proposale to turn the "Holy Land" into a desolate
glass coated death zone for the next 1000 years, I would vote for that.
Because you're a genocial racist.
Where did you see that I said that I wanted to kill people?
In the sentence immediately preceding mine.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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28 Apr 2006 11:26:21 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:4452ddb3$0$65507$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:44524825$0$65507$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:4451ac81$0$65513$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in news:4450fcaa$0$1591
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in
news:7etp4212o66ppube51847pv20o23auu4qa@4ax.com:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
<Xns97AF27AB4556mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>
"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have
written a letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to
reportedly use nuclear weapons against Iran "gravely
irresponsible" and warning that such action would have
"disastrous consequences for the security of the United States
and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic
nukes? Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from
widespread fallout, etc. Probably not a real good idea to do no
matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster
bomb could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan,
India and expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing
levels of radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bun
ke r- bust er-rnep-animation.html
I have a bit of a problem with the animation. With all the
nuclear bomb tests carried out in the Nevada desert, you would
think that the entire US Midwest would be sterilized.
Smaller bomb tests and a lot of them were underground. Even so,
worldwide radiation levels did go up.
I wil let you peruse the Nuclear Weapons Archive and see for
yourself just how exaggerated the claim that "3 million" would die
from a single 1 mT bomb exploding underground.
A 1MT bomb is about 20 times the size of the bomb dropped on
Hiroshima.
A lot of them were underground? Is "a lot" 50%? 10%? 80.3%?
Dunno. I'd guess 80%.
The first underground test was in 1957. The first series of
underground tests started in 1963.
I will let you do the tabulations.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/
Looks like about 80%
And don;t forget that these "bunker buster" weapons are among the
dirtiest, throwing up large quantities of radioactive material.
I still say it isn't a real good idea to be deploying nukes tactical
or not.
Now if there was a proposale to turn the "Holy Land" into a desolate
glass coated death zone for the next 1000 years, I would vote for
that.
Because you're a genocial racist.
Where did you see that I said that I wanted to kill people?
In the sentence immediately preceding mine.
sorry. I never said it.
Have a nice day.
pierce
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Prominent U.S. Physicists Tell The Nuclear Cowboy That He's A Wackjob & He Better Refine His 'Deciding' Skills |
25 Apr 2006 01:32:41 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:03:52 -0600, Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:56 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
<Xns97AF27AB4556mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>
"Möbius Pretzel" <mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear
weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning that such
action would have "disastrous consequences for the security of the
United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
I wonder if the plans call for the use of tactical or stategic nukes?
Tactical nukes could be deployed without fear from widespread fallout, etc.
Probably not a real good idea to do no matter which type.
Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists who state
casualties from a single one megaton strategic bunker buster bomb
could kill over a three million people in Iran, Pakistan, India and
expose another thirty-five million to cancer-inducing levels of
radiation.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html
Almost forty million, towel head, camel jockey, muslims, with one little bomb?
Sounds just like the kind of result that your, sick *****, "Glorious War
President", wants.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Prominent U.S. Physicists Tell The Nuclear Cowboy That He's A Wackjob & He Better Refine His 'Deciding' Skills |
24 Apr 2006 11:33:36 AM |
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On 23 Apr 2006 21:43:56 -0700, "Möbius Pretzel"
<mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Off topic spam.
What does this have to do with abortion or the Freedom of Choice?
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: Prominent U.S. Physicists Tell The Nuclear Cowboy That He's A Wackjob & He Better Refine His 'Deciding' Skills |
26 Apr 2006 06:33:27 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in news:revp425g3h3kei5n38mvm9vr6vujkpe21h@
4ax.com:
On 23 Apr 2006 21:43:56 -0700, "Möbius Pretzel"
<mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Off topic spam.
What does this have to do with abortion or the Freedom of Choice?
You won't have to worry about abortion if this escalates.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Prominent U.S. Physicists Tell The Nuclear Cowboy That He's A Wackjob & He Better Refine His 'Deciding' Skills |
24 Apr 2006 12:05:41 PM |
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In article <revp425g3h3kei5n38mvm9vr6vujkpe21h@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2006 21:43:56 -0700, "Möbius Pretzel"
<mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Off topic spam.
What does this have to do with abortion or the Freedom of Choice?
you continue to demonstrate your ignorance of usenet newsgroups,
scumball, and your disrespect for readers' ability to decide for
themselves what is and is not appropriate.
do you feel like a hypocrite criticizing others for doing what you
do?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Prominent U.S. Physicists Tell The Nuclear Cowboy That He's A Wackjob & He Better Refine His 'Deciding' Skills |
24 Apr 2006 04:02:09 AM |
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On 23 Apr 2006 21:43:56 -0700, "Möbius Pretzel"
<mobius_pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1145853836.854484.14830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
Prominent U.S. Physicists Send Letter to President Bush
Thirteen of the nation's most prominent physicists have written a
letter to President Bush, calling U.S. plans to reportedly use nuclear
weapons against Iran "gravely irresponsible" and warning that such
action would have "disastrous consequences for the security of the
United States and the world."
http://www.physorg.com/news64505715.html
If they don'e own oil firms, he won't listen to them.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor.
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