Absolute Proof that JABRIOL is BOTH a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS and a LIAR
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(Yeah, I know proving he is a JW automatically proves he is a liar
- but I like being thorough)
Two PARTS: (A) Jabriol is a JW
(B) Jabriol is a Liar
First, Part (A) Jabriol is a JW. Proof here.
I have several times provided proof that Antonio Santana aka JABRIOL is one
of Jehovah's Witnesses (Jabriol makes no secret of this). Some foolish
people believe that Jabriol cannot be a JW because of his boorish conduct -
they fail to realize this behavior is a natural result of believing
(a) One has secret knowledge denied to all who do not belong to the
Watchtower book-peddling Cult;
(b) All those not belonging to the Cult are the walking dead, due to be
slaughtered by the leader of the Watchtower Cult ("Christ the mass-murderer
riding a white steed" - I kid you not, that is what the JWs teach) ANY
MINUTE NOW.
So Jabriol's contempt for the 99.9% of humanity of the Birdseed Class
(because the Watchtower teaches that the 6.1 billion who will be massacred
will have their corpses disposed of by birds, so JWs are saved the bother)
is easy to understand!
Most JWs are TRAINED to conceal this hatred and contempt from outsiders (as
it makes getting converts almost impossible, except for kids brought up "in
da trooth"). JWs learn this as their very first lesson at the "Theocratic
Ministry School" (compulsory JW training for all those baptized into the
cult - basically, it teaches them how to lie convincingly and conceal the
defects of their cult; theJWs specifically teach that LYING is what
"Jehivah God" commands them to do, to defend the "Mother Organization").
Online proof of all of this - in the form of hundreds of direct, contextual
quotations from WT literature - may be found in the weblinks in my sig in
this post.
So Jabriol is in fact one of the most honest of JWs. He tells it like it is
in the cult.
JW stooges claim Antonio Santana aka JABRIOL is not a JW (in good
standing). Well, at the end of this post I repeat conclusive proof that he
is. But here, I will present additional proof.
First, click on:
http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=&num=100
and check out the >1000 posts in ~500 threads over four years by the JW
<>. Richmac's posts are full of the usual Watchtower B/S,
propaganda and lies, as he is a typical brainwashed cult-follower (of quite
low intelligence, unlike Jabriol). Read a few dozen (or few hundred, if
you have the time) of Richmac's endless arguments trying to make out the
Watchtower has not lied, cheated, distorted its own history and so on, and
presenting the WT's dishonest and self-serving manipulations of scripture.
Now you know that is a JW, check out this post:
http://google.com/groups?selm=398c6cb6.325835846@news.erols.com
which I reproduce below with full headers:
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From: (richmac)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Subject: Re: Accused of Pedophile by Elders
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:24:02 GMT
Message-ID: <398c6cb6.325835846@news.erols.com>
References: <398b3457.245882353@news.erols.com>
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I have come to know Jabriol as a personal friend. I was just up to visit
him last week. In the flesh, he is a very compassionate family man that is
well thought of by his congregation. He is active in the ministry and
works hard in caring for his congregational responsibilities. He just
can't write well enough to express his thoughts in a second language to
make a lot of sense on a newsgroup level. He means well, but it takes a
little explaining to convey the more weighty matters of faith to others so
as to make the message palatable. One can be right and still be wrong if
he can't say what he wants to in a way that others are willing to hear it.
My thoughts to him were to stick closer to communicating the Bible's
message than his own version of it. Its not easy to be intuitive enough
understand how others view what we say when we write. For a while he tried
simply copying WT info to answer questions to bring up discussion and was
condemned for long posts of copyrighted materials. Then he tried to speak
using his own thoughts. If he can find a more ballanced approach to
sharing the good news, he may in time find a hearing ear rather than
ridicule. I have time.
Now as for the others, I can't speak. I don't know if their young or old
or in between. Right now, they can't say hello without being challenged.
If they take more time to express what they want to say and back it up with
kindness and scripture, they will be okay. If they don't stop to think how
what they say will be received by those of opposing viewpoints, then they
will continue to be scoffed at. Most of those that are on this newsgroup
are really sincere persons with issues that are real. There is no reason
to take those issues lightly or to demean others for having other beliefs
or conclusions based on their background or experience.
For an example: Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in faith healing. That
doesn't mean that people are never healed if they go to a faith healer. We
don't believe that the power to heal comes from God. Its a way that Satan
transforms himself and his ministers as angels of ght.(2 Corinthians
11:14,15) Jesus even said that miracles weren't the indication of whether
or not he would accept a person into his kingdom. (Matthew 7:22,23)
Christians would be identified by the love that they show other Christians.
(John 13:35) Paul also indicated that the powerful works that introduced
the fledgling Christian congregation would be done away with leaving Godly
qualities to identify true Christians as the congregation matured. (1
Corinthians 13: 8-13) Now, here's the gist of this. I can share the
sciptures that lead me to come to this conclusion or I can just say" Faith
healling is a crock and comes from Satan." To a person that just
experienced a healing or witnessed a healing would either method have a
better chance of being received? What needs to be developed is the 'art of
teaching.' It comes from practice and the realization that we need to
recognize the dignity of others to whom we speak. We are as God's servants
no better than anyone else. Therefore, we have to address persons with
respect if we want them to respect us.
Thanks for the soap box. I hope this will help you to understand these
guys as we all come to a better appreciation for each other and God's word.
Read God's Word the Holy Bible Daily
Richard
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So JW Richmac vouches that Antonio Santana is a JW. Check the thread (click
on "Complete Thread" from the URL above) and you will see the context of
the post, and also confirm for yourself that there were no claims of
forgery.
Further, here are headers from 5 other Richmac posts spread over his four
years on the Internet (I chose them at random from the huge list of Richmac
posts my first URL uncovers). You can - by comparison - see that the post
above, where JW Richmac confirms Jabriol is a JW, is totally genuine:
From: (richmac)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Subject: Re: The many languages of the Watchtower
Date: 2001/01/29
Message-ID: <3a75f777.193384607@news.erols.com>
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From: (richmac)
Subject: Re: Fez - DA'd?
Date: 2000/08/01
Message-ID: <3986234f.441436972@news.erols.com>#1/1
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Date: 1999/08/02
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Subject: Re: I Got the JWs on this one.
Date: 1998/08/11
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<1998081020540000.QAA21664@ladder01.news.aol.com>
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Subject: Re: jw interpretation of john 1:1
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Make whatever further checks you wish, there is no doubt whatsoever. I
don't know whether Richmac still posts to Usenet - after a few encounters
with me, where I refuted his idiotic WT theoidiocy in a way that seemed to
(further) damage him mentally, the little spiritual-PIMP Richmac hasn't
been seen. This is one of his last posts:
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From: richmac2@home_nospam.com (richmac)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Subject: Re: Testing new address
Message-ID: <3a7ddbc2.76706971@news>
References: <3a7dda36.76310488@news> <3a7ddb4d.76589705@news>
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On Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:53:13 GMT, richmac2@home_nospam.com (richmac)
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:50:59 GMT, richmac2@home(nospam).com wrote:
I am leaving my erols isp.
Read God's Word the Holy Bible Daily
Richard
previously the Jehovah's Witness known as
Let's try this again till I get it right
One last time, I think I have it.
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So you may be able to communicate with the filthy JW at
and further satisfy yourself. If so, tell him that PB sends his warm
regards, and still laughs at the sound public beatings I administered him
in arj-w; if he returns, he will get many more of the same.
[Remember, much additional proof of Jabriol's ID and JW status is given at
the end of this post]
So, Part (A) Jabriol is a JW is PROVEN.
On to proving Part (B) Jabriol is a Liar...
Check this post:
http://google.com/groups?selm=99sefl$lh2$1@taliesin.netcom.net.uk
It is from JEHOVAH'S WITNESS Jabriol (proof that Jabriol aka Antonio L.
Santana is verified as a JW is presented at the bottom of this post)
While it appears to come from a .uk (England) ISP, netcom.net.uk is only a
Mail2News server. If you check the X-Trace for the poster "63.21.158.21"
you will see it is NOT from England - the reverse lookup at whois.arin.net
gives:
OrgName: UUNET Technologies, Inc.
OrgID: UUDA
Address: 22001 Loudoun County Parkway, Ashburn, VA 20147, USA
It is Jabriol all right (UUNET is often used by him), using various tricks
to make his posts appear to come from other places (he repeatedly boasts
how he can do this). The post was never claimed to be a forgery, and it is
not. Here it is:
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From: "Jabriol" <jabriol@mailops.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.education.disabled,alt.society.generation-x,alt.tasteless.jokes,talk.re
ligion.misc,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Subject: Re: Charity: A Couple of News Headlines with Links from the New
York Times
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:32:25 GMT
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[snip]
Ya said the same crap about Deja.. and then accused me of.. nuking my own
posts.. which means.. You are a Liar.
[snip]
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So JEHOVAH'S WITNESS Jabriol claims he never "nukes" (i.e., removes from
the archives) his own posts. Well, let us test this JW's claim... ;-)
Jabriol pretends to post from a huge number of email accounts, most of
which are fake - or even belong to someone else.
One drawback of this is that is hard (or impossible) to nuke material that
has originated from an email account one does not control, as confirmation
of identity must come from that email account before nuking takes place.
So, from time to time Jabriol quotes real email accounts as Sender: for
posting to Usenet. Two recent ones have been:
+
Naturally, he reserved some of his most disgusting material for those posts
BECAUSE HE KNEW HE COULD NUKE (REMOVE) THEM LATER ON!
And, after his despicable actions re Chris Dubose / "truthseeker" (the boy
Jabriol cruelly goaded when he was crying for help and threatening suicide
in a depression board: truthseeker then committed suicide), these
posts HAVE been nuked from the archives. For proof, check out these URLs:
http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=
http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=
and you will see that no posts show up with author
or !
However, if we search for responses to these posts, we hit a bonanza:
http://google.com/groups?as_epq=&num=100
http://google.com/groups?as_epq=&num=100
From the fragments you read, you can see these nuked posts were even worse
than Jabriol's usual material....
And Jabriol's chosen address @truthspeaker.net is a further taunt to
truthseeker. Nowhere in the hundreds (maybe thousands) of posts in the
threads in which these and
posts appeared was there any post claiming they were forgeries (they were
not forgeries, they were the work of Santana).
JABRIOL CLAIMED: Jabriol never nukes posts.
But:
PROMINENT BETHELITE PROVED: Jabriol nukes posts.
Which makes the top representative of the WATCHTOWER SOCIETY on the web,
JABRIOL, a *LIAR*.
Part (B) Jabriol is a Liar is therefore PROVEN.
No wonder Jabriol makes such an excellent JEHOVAH'S WITNESS & LIAR!
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The Watchtower Society and the Jehovah's Witnesses Cult is an embodiment of
SPIRITUAL PORNOGRAPHY, a WOLFISH TRICK, a MOST FILTHY LIE, a CHEAT, a SCAM,
a DISGUSTING ABOMINATION, a BLASPHEMOUS INSULT, a WICKED FRAUD, a DISGRACE,
a SCANDAL, a PEDOPHILE PARADISE - and a DAMNED OUTRAGE from start to finish
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Love
Prominent Bethelite.
Examples of FINE SPIRITUAL FOOD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME FROM "THE SLAVE":
"We need not here repeat the evidences that the 'seventh trump' began its
sounding in A.D. 1840, and will continue until the end of the time of
trouble" {WT Nov 1880 p1}; "masturbation is no mere innocent pastime but
rather a practice that can lead to homosexual acts" {WT May 15 1970 p315;
also WT Oct 1 1970 p604}; "If heaven were made the receptacle of the
heathen, savages, barbarians, the idiotic, simple, insane and INFANTS, it
would cease to be heaven to a considerable extent, and become a pandemonium
.. billions of ignorant, imbecile and degraded .. never formed characters
[not] fit companions for saints" {WT Oct 15 1896 p245} Fine JW Wisdom!!
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THE LIST OF AMAZING JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES' CLAIMS, BELIEFS & PREDICTIONS
Prepared by MYSELF may be found at the following websites:-
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
http://localsonly.wilmington.net/jmalik/TheList.zip
http://www.concordance.com/watchtower.htm
REPEATED PROOF JABRIOL IS ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (Corollary to Part A)
Ignore the deceitful JWs and apologists who seek to minimize damage to
their greedy cult by pretending Santana/Jabriol is not a JW. Some even try
to claim that he is my "sock-puppet"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=394ecf4a-robomod%40ediacara.org
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=vjd9ihgvikfmc0@corp.supernews.com
Jabriol is one of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Proof here:
http://google.com/groups?selm=19960528184736.aaaa004Ts@babyblue.cs.yale.edu
http://google.com/groups?selm=19990607182519.27198.00001813@ng-fn1.aol.com
http://google.com/groups?selm=6uagis%24689%40chronicle.concentric.net
http://google.com/groups?selm=70kdje%24ncr%40chronicle.concentric.net
http://google.com/groups?selm=73ul8d$8sm@chronicle.concentric.net
http://google.com/groups?selm=721ihp$mfs@journal.concentric.net
http://google.com/groups?selm=928697419.540.40@news.remarQ.com
http://google.com/groups?selm=7kte5m$h4l$1@talia.mad.ttd.net
http://google.com/groups?selm=37aa0900.0%40208.152.77.250
{etc. etc.}
So his ID (Tony L. Santana) and address (3072 S. Constitution Rd Camden NJ)
are verified and confirmed, as is his phone number (also, explicitly given
in some of the material to which I have provided URLs above).
Indeed - all listed online, and given in the posts I have quoted. Also you
can try: 1-800-699-2466 mailbox 511-012-1961
Secondly, in 1999 I contacted by telephone the Presiding Overseer of the
South Camden Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, at the Kingdom Hall at
417 Walnut Street, Camden, NJ 08104 (of course we have the phone number -
but the number is also listed online) and when I asked to speak to Mr Tony
Santana I was told that Mr Santana was involved in a meeting that was going
on at that minute, but if I called again in 45 minutes he would be
available.
Thirdly - recently, I re-verified his membership with the Service
Department at Bethel N.Y. While this was pretty easy for me, all you need
to do is phone them up (the number is in the book, look under Watchtower
B&T in Columbia Heights in Brooklyn, you do the work) and say you are an
attorney wishing to track a Mr Antonio Santana as he is a beneficiary of a
will, where he received a bequest. Before they respond, say that you
understand why they cannot give any details about him, but will they just
check that they DO have his details, so they can then pass on your (fake)
contact number to Mr Santana. They'll do this while you wait. If asked
which congo, say the only details you have relate to "South Camden".
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