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Topic: Science > Abortion
User: "J Young"
Date: 18 Mar 2006 11:55:38 PM
Object: PSA: Abortion methods
Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide women
with *all* of the facts
http://www.lifedynamics.com/DeathCamps/Methods3.cfm
Before killing an unborn child, the abortionist must first determine how
long the baby's mom has been pregnant. Only by determining how long the baby
has been alive can the abortionist choose the most effective method to kill
it.
Pregnancy is divided into three trimesters. The first trimester lasts
through the 12th week. The second trimester begins at week 13 and continues
through week 24. The third trimester is the remaining time until the baby is
delivered. For each trimester specific methods of abortion are used.
The First Trimester
The most common first trimester abortions are vacuum aspiration and suction
curettage. Vacuum aspiration is performed with a machine that uses a vacuum
to suck the baby out of the uterus. The vacuum is created by a hand held
pump (manual vacuum aspiration) or by electricity (electric vacuum
aspiration). The electric machine is far more common in the US. Generally,
the manual pump is only used to kill children who are less than 6 weeks old.
Except in the very earliest abortions, the mom's cervix will be dilated
large enough to allow a cannula to be inserted into her uterus. The cannula
is a hollow plastic tube that is connected to either the hand or electric
pump by a flexible hose. As a vacuum is created, the abortionist runs the
tip of the cannula along the surface of the uterus causing the baby to be
dislodged and sucked into the tube - either whole or in pieces. Suction
curettage is a variation of vacuum aspiration in which the suction machine
is used to get the baby out, with any remaining parts being scraped out of
the uterus with a surgical instrument called a curette. Following that,
another pass is made through the mom's uterus with the suction machine to
help insure that none of the baby's body parts have been left behind.
Another form of first trimester abortion is the D&C (dilation and
curettage). During this procedure, the mother's cervix is dilated and a
curette is scraped along the sides of the uterus to dislodge the baby.
Suction is not used for this type of abortion, but since the mother is
usually asleep the abortionist can dilate the cervix large enough that many
passes with the curette are possible.
Some first trimester abortions are not accomplished using surgery, but
chemicals. This procedure begins when the mom is given either mifepristone
(Mifeprex; RU486) or methotrexate. Mifepristone causes the baby to become
detached from its mother's uterus while methotrexate is actually toxic to
the baby and, therefore, kills it directly. Once the child is either
detached or dead, the mom is given a labor-inducing drug which causes the
uterus to cramp and expel her dead baby. This type of abortion only works up
to about the 9th week of pregnancy.
The Second Trimester
The D&E (dilation and extraction) is the most common type of second
trimester abortion. During this procedure, the mother's cervix must be
dilated much more than in a first trimester abortion simply because her baby
is now too large to pull it from the uterus solely by using the suction
machine.
After sufficient dilation is accomplished, the abortionist begins the D&E
procedure by rupturing the amniotic sac which contains the unborn child. He
then begins the process of dismembering the baby and pulling it out of the
uterus in pieces. To do this, the abortionist uses suction as well as
surgical forceps which basically act like a pair of pliers. He inserts this
instrument into the uterus and starts to open and close it until a part of
the baby or placenta is grasped. That piece is torn off and is pulled out.
This process is repeated until the abortionist feels that the procedure has
been completed.
Sometimes, the baby's skull is too large to pull out of the uterus, so the
abortionist must first crush it with the forceps. The abortionist will know
that the child's skull has been sufficiently collapsed when the baby's
brains flow out of the uterus. Among abortionists this is called the
"calvaria sign" and it signals that the skull will then be much easier to
remove.
Once the abortionist has pulled out everything he can feel with the forceps,
he will use a curette to scrape any remaining parts off the sides of the
uterus. After that, the suction machine can be used again to vacuum up
whatever debris is still in the uterus.
Throughout a D&E procedure, all of the extracted baby parts are placed on a
tray where they are then reassembled. This is done to make certain that the
entire baby is accounted for and that no parts are left behind.
One way that the D&E procedure is often made easier is by killing the baby a
day or so before the procedure is scheduled. This extra step is generally
referred to as a "ditch" and is accomplished by inserting a long needle
through the mother's abdomen and into the heart of her baby. Then, a
chemical agent - usually digoxin - is injected through the needle causing
the child's death. The advantage of doing this is that the feticidal agent
(digoxin) causes the child's body to soften, making the dismemberment and
removal process much easier. Despite that advantage, however, ditching does
have one potential downside. Because the chemical used to kill the baby is
toxic, it is crucial for the abortionist to know that he has inserted the
needle into the baby and not the mother. To verify that, the abortionist
will sometimes let go of the needle before injecting the drug and see if it
jumps around independent of the mom's movements. If so, he knows that he has
hit the baby and can proceed. (This part of the ditching process is
sometimes referred to as "harpooning the whale").
A variation of the D&E is called intact D&E. In this procedure, the baby is
not pulled out in pieces but removed whole. Normally, the abortionist will
use a feticidal chemical to kill the baby first or he will position the baby
so that he can crush its skull. However, in some cases the baby will
actually survive the procedure and emerge alive. In the abortion industry,
live births are referred to as "The Dreaded Complication."
Since most Intact D&E abortions are performed on babies who are too young to
survive once separated from the mother, the usual response to a live birth
is to simply set the child aside and allow it to die on its own. The
abortion industry calls this practice "comfort care." In some cases,
abortionists have been observed actively killing the child by drowning it,
crushing its tracheal tube, or snapping its neck.
Another type of second trimester procedure is known as instillation. This
procedure begins with the abortionist sticking a long needle through the
mother's abdomen and into the baby's amniotic fluid sac. A substantial
amount of amniotic fluid is then drained from the sac and replaced with
either a saline or urea solution. This usually kills the child, but it may
take hours during which some women report feeling their baby violently
thrashing around. Photos of children killed by instillation procedures
generally show massive chemical burns covering the child's entire body.
Once the process of killing the baby has been initiated, the mother is given
drugs to induce labor so she will eventually deliver the dead child. Because
there have been cases where babies have survived this process, some
abortionists inject a drug into the baby's heart prior to delivery to make
sure it is dead. (Urea has also been used as a prepping agent for D&E
abortions. The urea is inserted into the amniotic sac but instead of
inducing labor, a D&E is performed. The advantage of this is that the urea
solution helps soften up the baby and makes it easier to dismember and
remove.)
Another type of second trimester procedure is called induction. The mother
is given a drug - usually prostaglandin or oxytocin - that causes her to go
into labor. Often the abortionist will kill the baby at the same time in
order to avoid the possibility that the mom will deliver a live baby. In
other instances, the labor-inducing drug which was given to the mother will
kill her baby. However, it is well established that live births are a real
possibility with induction procedures. As in the case of Intact D&E
abortions, these procedures are usually performed on babies who are too
young to survive outside the womb. Again, if the baby emerges alive, the
usual response is to set the child aside and allow it to die on its own, or
for the abortionist to kill it once it's delivered.
The final methods of second trimester abortion are hysterectomy and
hysterotomy. Of the more than one million American babies killed by abortion
every year, approximately 5000 are destroyed in this manner. The relative
rarity of these procedures is driven by the fact that they have a higher
incidence of maternal complications and death than other second trimester
abortion methods. During a hysterectomy abortion, the mother's entire uterus
(including the baby) is removed and the baby usually dies during the
procedure. The hysterotomy abortion is similar to a cesarean section. The
abortionist does not remove the uterus, but cuts it open and removes the
baby. If the child was not killed prior to removal, it is set aside to die.
The Third Trimester
Third trimester abortions are generally accomplished with the same basic
procedures used in the second trimester. However, because the babies being
killed are larger and more likely to survive the procedures, modifications
are made. For example, because her child is larger, the mom's cervix must be
dilated more than it would be in a second trimester abortion. Additionally,
chemicals that are used to soften the baby and make it easier to pull apart
and remove are administered in larger a quantity. They are also given
earlier so they have a longer time to soak into the baby's tissue and bone.
As for avoiding "The Dreaded Complication" (live birth), babies killed
during the third trimester are more likely to be given feticidal drugs and
they are given them in greater dosages.
Sometimes, the procedure itself is modified. For example, one of the most
common third trimester abortion procedures is the intact D&E described
earlier. This method is also known as D&X (dilation and extraction) or
partial-birth abortion. When this procedure is used in the third trimester,
the abortionist maneuvers the baby into a breech position (feet first) and
then pulls the baby out of the uterus up to its head - leaving the baby's
head just inside of the uterus. It is not at all uncommon for the baby to
still be alive at this point. Now the abortionist pushes a long pair of
scissors into the base of the baby's skull and creates a hole. He then
inserts a suction tube into the hole and sucks out the baby's brain. This
modification to the intact D&E procedure insures that the baby is not born
alive, and it helps make the head smaller so that it is easier to pull out
of the uterus.
--
" The truth shall set you free "
.

User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 20 Mar 2006 08:06:35 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com:

Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide
women with *all* of the facts

Yeah, women are such silly little feminine things, they're not CAPABLE of
finding ***** out all by their widdle girly selves, you think they need some
fuckwit like you demonstrating his mysogyny and patronising belittlement of
women.
Have you EVER made love WITH a WOMAN, or did you just ***** her, like you *****
your hand??
Enquiring minds...
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
.

User: "junegill"

Title: Re: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 12:26:06 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com...

Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide

women

with *all* of the facts

Good idea. Let's show them video tapes chronicling the labour pains of what
will be a 'normal' delivery - this could take a long time to view, of
course. Then let's show them one of the most difficult deliveries: a face
presentation. Follow this up with a breech presentation, and then the
impossible-to-deliver-vaginally shoulder presentation. These video tapes
(with surround-sound) can then be followed by photographs of some stillborn
babies that should have been aborted, such as:
http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN018.html
A word of warning though: better not present _all_ of the facts to pregnant
women who are planning to carry to term, because that could boost the
abortion figures.
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
.
User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: Abortion methods 20 Mar 2006 09:02:06 AM
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:dvk7nu$fjm$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com:


"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com...

Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide

women

with *all* of the facts


Good idea. Let's show them video tapes chronicling the labour pains of
what will be a 'normal' delivery - this could take a long time to view,
of course. Then let's show them one of the most difficult deliveries: a
face presentation. Follow this up with a breech presentation, and then
the impossible-to-deliver-vaginally shoulder presentation. These video
tapes (with surround-sound) can then be followed by photographs of some
stillborn babies that should have been aborted, such as:

http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN018.html

It's a picture of J Young as a NEWBORN!!
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
.


User: "E A R T H L I N G"

Title: Re: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 12:16:14 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com...

Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide
women
with *all* of the facts

I've noticed that these "Pro" life people always condone War.
Figure THAT out.
.

User: "Bill"

Title: Re: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 08:56:56 AM
Get your head out of your gods ***** and at least use correct English and
terminology.
A 'potential' child in the womb, depending on its term, is a zygote, embryo
or fetus. Until birth it is NOT A CHILD. It only has the 'potential' to
become a child. A women's egg and a man's sperm also have the 'potential' to
become a child but are NOT a CHILD.
A Women should and does have the right to decide what to do with her own
body and should not be the slave of some politician or religious wacko.
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com...

Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide
women
with *all* of the facts







http://www.lifedynamics.com/DeathCamps/Methods3.cfm





Before killing an unborn child, the abortionist must first determine how
long the baby's mom has been pregnant. Only by determining how long the
baby
has been alive can the abortionist choose the most effective method to
kill
it.

Pregnancy is divided into three trimesters. The first trimester lasts
through the 12th week. The second trimester begins at week 13 and
continues
through week 24. The third trimester is the remaining time until the baby
is
delivered. For each trimester specific methods of abortion are used.


The First Trimester

The most common first trimester abortions are vacuum aspiration and
suction
curettage. Vacuum aspiration is performed with a machine that uses a
vacuum
to suck the baby out of the uterus. The vacuum is created by a hand held
pump (manual vacuum aspiration) or by electricity (electric vacuum
aspiration). The electric machine is far more common in the US. Generally,
the manual pump is only used to kill children who are less than 6 weeks
old.
Except in the very earliest abortions, the mom's cervix will be dilated
large enough to allow a cannula to be inserted into her uterus. The
cannula
is a hollow plastic tube that is connected to either the hand or electric
pump by a flexible hose. As a vacuum is created, the abortionist runs the
tip of the cannula along the surface of the uterus causing the baby to be
dislodged and sucked into the tube - either whole or in pieces. Suction
curettage is a variation of vacuum aspiration in which the suction machine
is used to get the baby out, with any remaining parts being scraped out of
the uterus with a surgical instrument called a curette. Following that,
another pass is made through the mom's uterus with the suction machine to
help insure that none of the baby's body parts have been left behind.

Another form of first trimester abortion is the D&C (dilation and
curettage). During this procedure, the mother's cervix is dilated and a
curette is scraped along the sides of the uterus to dislodge the baby.
Suction is not used for this type of abortion, but since the mother is
usually asleep the abortionist can dilate the cervix large enough that
many
passes with the curette are possible.

Some first trimester abortions are not accomplished using surgery, but
chemicals. This procedure begins when the mom is given either mifepristone
(Mifeprex; RU486) or methotrexate. Mifepristone causes the baby to become
detached from its mother's uterus while methotrexate is actually toxic to
the baby and, therefore, kills it directly. Once the child is either
detached or dead, the mom is given a labor-inducing drug which causes the
uterus to cramp and expel her dead baby. This type of abortion only works
up
to about the 9th week of pregnancy.



The Second Trimester

The D&E (dilation and extraction) is the most common type of second
trimester abortion. During this procedure, the mother's cervix must be
dilated much more than in a first trimester abortion simply because her
baby
is now too large to pull it from the uterus solely by using the suction
machine.

After sufficient dilation is accomplished, the abortionist begins the D&E
procedure by rupturing the amniotic sac which contains the unborn child.
He
then begins the process of dismembering the baby and pulling it out of the
uterus in pieces. To do this, the abortionist uses suction as well as
surgical forceps which basically act like a pair of pliers. He inserts
this
instrument into the uterus and starts to open and close it until a part of
the baby or placenta is grasped. That piece is torn off and is pulled out.
This process is repeated until the abortionist feels that the procedure
has
been completed.

Sometimes, the baby's skull is too large to pull out of the uterus, so the
abortionist must first crush it with the forceps. The abortionist will
know
that the child's skull has been sufficiently collapsed when the baby's
brains flow out of the uterus. Among abortionists this is called the
"calvaria sign" and it signals that the skull will then be much easier to
remove.

Once the abortionist has pulled out everything he can feel with the
forceps,
he will use a curette to scrape any remaining parts off the sides of the
uterus. After that, the suction machine can be used again to vacuum up
whatever debris is still in the uterus.

Throughout a D&E procedure, all of the extracted baby parts are placed on
a
tray where they are then reassembled. This is done to make certain that
the
entire baby is accounted for and that no parts are left behind.

One way that the D&E procedure is often made easier is by killing the baby
a
day or so before the procedure is scheduled. This extra step is generally
referred to as a "ditch" and is accomplished by inserting a long needle
through the mother's abdomen and into the heart of her baby. Then, a
chemical agent - usually digoxin - is injected through the needle causing
the child's death. The advantage of doing this is that the feticidal agent
(digoxin) causes the child's body to soften, making the dismemberment and
removal process much easier. Despite that advantage, however, ditching
does
have one potential downside. Because the chemical used to kill the baby is
toxic, it is crucial for the abortionist to know that he has inserted the
needle into the baby and not the mother. To verify that, the abortionist
will sometimes let go of the needle before injecting the drug and see if
it
jumps around independent of the mom's movements. If so, he knows that he
has
hit the baby and can proceed. (This part of the ditching process is
sometimes referred to as "harpooning the whale").

A variation of the D&E is called intact D&E. In this procedure, the baby
is
not pulled out in pieces but removed whole. Normally, the abortionist will
use a feticidal chemical to kill the baby first or he will position the
baby
so that he can crush its skull. However, in some cases the baby will
actually survive the procedure and emerge alive. In the abortion industry,
live births are referred to as "The Dreaded Complication."

Since most Intact D&E abortions are performed on babies who are too young
to
survive once separated from the mother, the usual response to a live birth
is to simply set the child aside and allow it to die on its own. The
abortion industry calls this practice "comfort care." In some cases,
abortionists have been observed actively killing the child by drowning it,
crushing its tracheal tube, or snapping its neck.

Another type of second trimester procedure is known as instillation. This
procedure begins with the abortionist sticking a long needle through the
mother's abdomen and into the baby's amniotic fluid sac. A substantial
amount of amniotic fluid is then drained from the sac and replaced with
either a saline or urea solution. This usually kills the child, but it may
take hours during which some women report feeling their baby violently
thrashing around. Photos of children killed by instillation procedures
generally show massive chemical burns covering the child's entire body.

Once the process of killing the baby has been initiated, the mother is
given
drugs to induce labor so she will eventually deliver the dead child.
Because
there have been cases where babies have survived this process, some
abortionists inject a drug into the baby's heart prior to delivery to make
sure it is dead. (Urea has also been used as a prepping agent for D&E
abortions. The urea is inserted into the amniotic sac but instead of
inducing labor, a D&E is performed. The advantage of this is that the urea
solution helps soften up the baby and makes it easier to dismember and
remove.)

Another type of second trimester procedure is called induction. The mother
is given a drug - usually prostaglandin or oxytocin - that causes her to
go
into labor. Often the abortionist will kill the baby at the same time in
order to avoid the possibility that the mom will deliver a live baby. In
other instances, the labor-inducing drug which was given to the mother
will
kill her baby. However, it is well established that live births are a real
possibility with induction procedures. As in the case of Intact D&E
abortions, these procedures are usually performed on babies who are too
young to survive outside the womb. Again, if the baby emerges alive, the
usual response is to set the child aside and allow it to die on its own,
or
for the abortionist to kill it once it's delivered.

The final methods of second trimester abortion are hysterectomy and
hysterotomy. Of the more than one million American babies killed by
abortion
every year, approximately 5000 are destroyed in this manner. The relative
rarity of these procedures is driven by the fact that they have a higher
incidence of maternal complications and death than other second trimester
abortion methods. During a hysterectomy abortion, the mother's entire
uterus
(including the baby) is removed and the baby usually dies during the
procedure. The hysterotomy abortion is similar to a cesarean section. The
abortionist does not remove the uterus, but cuts it open and removes the
baby. If the child was not killed prior to removal, it is set aside to
die.


The Third Trimester

Third trimester abortions are generally accomplished with the same basic
procedures used in the second trimester. However, because the babies being
killed are larger and more likely to survive the procedures, modifications
are made. For example, because her child is larger, the mom's cervix must
be
dilated more than it would be in a second trimester abortion.
Additionally,
chemicals that are used to soften the baby and make it easier to pull
apart
and remove are administered in larger a quantity. They are also given
earlier so they have a longer time to soak into the baby's tissue and
bone.
As for avoiding "The Dreaded Complication" (live birth), babies killed
during the third trimester are more likely to be given feticidal drugs and
they are given them in greater dosages.

Sometimes, the procedure itself is modified. For example, one of the most
common third trimester abortion procedures is the intact D&E described
earlier. This method is also known as D&X (dilation and extraction) or
partial-birth abortion. When this procedure is used in the third
trimester,
the abortionist maneuvers the baby into a breech position (feet first) and
then pulls the baby out of the uterus up to its head - leaving the baby's
head just inside of the uterus. It is not at all uncommon for the baby to
still be alive at this point. Now the abortionist pushes a long pair of
scissors into the base of the baby's skull and creates a hole. He then
inserts a suction tube into the hole and sucks out the baby's brain. This
modification to the intact D&E procedure insures that the baby is not born
alive, and it helps make the head smaller so that it is easier to pull out
of the uterus.








--
" The truth shall set you free "


.

User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 11:00:42 AM
In article <lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide women
with *all* of the facts

You sure say that a lot. What makes you think women aren't being
provided with "all the facts?" Or is that just another "pro-life" lie?
.
User: "J Young"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 11:52:33 AM
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:190320060900418256%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide

women

with *all* of the facts


You sure say that a lot. What makes you think women aren't being
provided with "all the facts?" Or is that just another "pro-life" lie?

Stand outside any abortion mill where pro-life advocates are attempting to
educate these young 'mothers', read the material that they are providing,
and then tell me if you think "all the facts" are being provided to these
women.
.
User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 20 Mar 2006 08:39:12 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:ENqdnZCpooPqB4DZRVn-iw@giganews.com:


"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:190320060900418256%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide

women

with *all* of the facts


You sure say that a lot. What makes you think women aren't being
provided with "all the facts?" Or is that just another "pro-life" lie?



Stand outside any abortion mill

like any military recruiting centre maybe? Post-birth abortion clinic?
Ohhh but THAT'S okay, ISN'T it, J Young.
You're a sick, twisted *****.
Guess you don't eat eggs, but flesh is okay...
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
.

User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 01:06:49 PM
In article <ENqdnZCpooPqB4DZRVn-iw@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:190320060900418256%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide

women

with *all* of the facts


You sure say that a lot. What makes you think women aren't being
provided with "all the facts?" Or is that just another "pro-life" lie?



Stand outside any abortion mill where pro-life advocates are attempting to
educate these young 'mothers', read the material that they are providing,
and then tell me if you think "all the facts" are being provided to these
women.

So what you mean is, "pro-life" loons should be allowed to force their
propaganda on women seeking an abortion or these women are not being
provided "all the facts."
YOU prove women are being provided "all the facts," constantly. These
"facts" are available on the Internet, in public libraries, and, no
doubt, at every "pro-life" propaganda shop in the country. Women have
access to all of these.
At least show SOME honesty and admit that what you mean is, women
aren¹t being forced to see and read what you want to force them to see
and read.
.

User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 05:32:39 PM
J Young wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:190320060900418256%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:


Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide


women

with *all* of the facts


You sure say that a lot. What makes you think women aren't being
provided with "all the facts?" Or is that just another "pro-life" lie?




Stand outside any abortion mill where pro-life advocates are attempting to
educate these young 'mothers', read the material that they are providing,
and then tell me if you think "all the facts" are being provided to these
women.


I believe that doctors have all the facts and that protesters have
one-sided agendas.
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User: "J Young"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 10:11:18 PM
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:441deb1a$0$22963$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com...

J Young wrote:


Stand outside any abortion mill where pro-life advocates are attempting

to

educate these young 'mothers', read the material that they are

providing,

and then tell me if you think "all the facts" are being provided to

these

women.



I believe that doctors have all the facts and that protesters have
one-sided agendas.


The doctors having all the information is not the issue, it's the woman who
needs it. What does a doctor know about adoption or other child services? An
abortionist surely has no motivation to provide women with sonograms or
other images. Be honest, to you loons 'pro-choice' means 'pro-abortion'.
.
User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 20 Mar 2006 08:59:31 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:T4qdnSGCYLnktoPZ4p2dnA@giganews.com:


"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:441deb1a$0$22963$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com...

J Young wrote:


Stand outside any abortion mill where pro-life advocates are
attempting

to

educate these young 'mothers', read the material that they are

providing,

and then tell me if you think "all the facts" are being provided to

these

women.



I believe that doctors have all the facts and that protesters have
one-sided agendas.



The doctors having all the information is not the issue, it's the woman
who needs it. What does a doctor know about adoption or other child
services? An abortionist surely has no motivation to provide women with
sonograms or other images. Be honest, to you loons 'pro-choice' means
'pro-abortion'.


You are living proof that some fetuses NEEDED to be aborted and weren't.
You don't give two fucks about women's rights or their reproductive
ability, you see them as chattel, a thing to be owned and ordered around.
Slavery is illegal.
No doubt you yearn for the "good old days" when niggers were forced to sit
at the back of the bus too.
So which chapter of the KKK do you belong to?
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
.
User: "J Young"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 20 Mar 2006 11:30:44 PM
"Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns978CE98EAC18Ccogitoergosum@61.9.191.5...


You are living proof that some fetuses NEEDED to be aborted and weren't.
You don't give two fucks about women's rights or their reproductive
ability, you see them as chattel, a thing to be owned and ordered around.
Slavery is illegal.
No doubt you yearn for the "good old days" when niggers were forced to sit
at the back of the bus too.
So which chapter of the KKK do you belong to?

I find your use of racial terminology as insulting. It holds no place in a
decent discussion. Please refrain from using in future discussions with me.
.


User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 10:27:58 PM
In article <T4qdnSGCYLnktoPZ4p2dnA@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:441deb1a$0$22963$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com...

J Young wrote:


Stand outside any abortion mill where pro-life advocates are attempting

to

educate these young 'mothers', read the material that they are

providing,

and then tell me if you think "all the facts" are being provided to

these

women.



I believe that doctors have all the facts and that protesters have
one-sided agendas.



The doctors having all the information is not the issue, it's the woman who
needs it. What does a doctor know about adoption or other child services? An
abortionist surely has no motivation to provide women with sonograms or
other images. Be honest, to you loons 'pro-choice' means 'pro-abortion'.

Another "pro-life" piece of ***** who wants to force women to read his
propaganda. Too bad abortion wasn't legal when you were born. How
does it feel to wonder if your parents would have kept you if it hadn't
been for their "faith?"
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 11:05:39 PM
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message

J Young wrote:


Stand outside any abortion mill where pro-life advocates are attempting

to

educate these young 'mothers', read the material that they are

providing,

and then tell me if you think "all the facts" are being provided to

these

women.



I believe that doctors have all the facts and that protesters have
one-sided agendas.



The doctors having all the information is not the issue, it's the woman who
needs it.

Information like the fact that childbirth is ten times as likely to
kill a woman as is an abortion?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.


User: ""

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 20 Mar 2006 09:25:24 AM
Dear Daniel,

I believe that doctors have all the facts and that protesters have one-sided agendas. <<<<<<<<

One sided agenda? .......................if this one side is the life
of a child who could grow to love God more than ourselves, then it is
the righteous side. Doctors are not gods.
In Christ's love
Carol T
.




User: "Lars Eighner"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 03:36:47 AM
In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:

Before killing an unborn child,

There is no such thing as an unborn child.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC
http://www.larseighner.com/
The Mint Jelly of God® -- The World's Best Atheist -- Unholier Than Thou
First Church of Electro-Baptism ***Atheist #1965*** One Short Circuit to Jesus
"Dear friends, -- Man has created God, not God man. Yours ever, Garibaldi."
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 10:53:05 AM
"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:

Before killing an unborn child,


There is no such thing as an unborn child.

Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such thing
as gestation."
Which shows us your idiocy.
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 01:33:23 PM
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:

Before killing an unborn child,

There is no such thing as an unborn child.

Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such thing
as gestation."
Which shows us your idiocy.

....which comment shows everyone but you your festering mental illness. Thanks
for refuting yourself regularly.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: San Antonio 3, Houston 0 (March 18)
NEXT GAME: Sunday, March 19 vs. San Antonio, 5:05
.

User: "Mark Sebree"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 01:09:35 PM
Johnny wrote:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:

Before killing an unborn child,


There is no such thing as an unborn child.


Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such thing
as gestation."
Which shows us your idiocy.

No, it shows your idiocy.
All children have been born. Before they have been born, they are not
children, they are embryos and fetuses, depending on the time of
gestation.
However, you have been told this before.
Mark Sebree
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 03:03:53 PM
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1142795375.556395.310190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Johnny wrote:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:

Before killing an unborn child,


There is no such thing as an unborn child.


Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such
thing
as gestation."
Which shows us your idiocy.


No, it shows your idiocy.

All children have been born.

Very odd. If all children have been born, then there will be no more
children born.

Before they have been born, they are not
children,

Pro-Choice lie.

they are embryos and fetuses, depending on the time of
gestation.

However, you have been told this before.

You are not my master, nor are you my teacher.
What you 'told' me in this area is automatically and categorically deemed
errata.
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 11:07:22 PM
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1142795375.556395.310190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Johnny wrote:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:

Before killing an unborn child,

There is no such thing as an unborn child.

Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such thing
as gestation." Which shows us your idiocy.

No, it shows your idiocy.
All children have been born.

Very odd. If all children have been born, then there will be no more
children born.

Really? Tell *that* to the young lady (younger than you, anyway) who will be
bearing her third child (and our third grandchild) later this summer. She'll
appreciate the laugh at you.

Before they have been born, they are not children,

Pro-Choice lie.

No, just typical John Dead Between the Ears Wentzky white noise.

they are embryos and fetuses, depending on the time of
gestation.
However, you have been told this before.

You are not my master, nor are you my teacher.

You're too stupid and insane to be taught, and you'll never be anyone else's
master, much less your own.

What you 'told' me in this area is automatically and categorically deemed
errata.

....which reality doesn't care about.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: San Antonio 1, Houston 0 (OT) (March 19)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, March 23 at Omaha, 7:05
.

User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 03:36:32 PM
In article <8EjTf.1096$4Q.691@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Johnny
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1142795375.556395.310190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Johnny wrote:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:

Before killing an unborn child,


There is no such thing as an unborn child.


Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such
thing
as gestation."
Which shows us your idiocy.


No, it shows your idiocy.

All children have been born.


Very odd. If all children have been born, then there will be no more
children born.

There is Johnny, always quick to prove himself an idiot.


Before they have been born, they are not
children,


Pro-Choice lie.

Prove It.


they are embryos and fetuses, depending on the time of
gestation.

However, you have been told this before.


You are not my master, nor are you my teacher.

But you want to tell people how to live.

What you 'told' me in this area is automatically and categorically deemed
errata.

Idiot
.

User: "Mark Sebree"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 20 Mar 2006 09:24:00 AM
Johnny wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1142795375.556395.310190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Johnny wrote:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:

Before killing an unborn child,


There is no such thing as an unborn child.


Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such
thing
as gestation."
Which shows us your idiocy.


No, it shows your idiocy.

All children have been born.


Very odd. If all children have been born, then there will be no more
children born.

Only to someone like you that refuses to think. To be a child, one
must have been born. Prior to birth, it is not a child, it is an
embryo or fetus, depending on the gestational age. But then, I
explained that to you in the previous post.

Before they have been born, they are not
children,


Pro-Choice lie.

Objective fact.


they are embryos and fetuses, depending on the time of
gestation.

However, you have been told this before.


You are not my master, nor are you my teacher.

I am your teacher, even if you refuse to learn what you are being
taught. And I am your better in practically every way.

What you 'told' me in this area is automatically and categorically deemed
errata.

You really should learn to use a dictionary. I do not know what you
think "errata" means, but it is obvious not the correct meaning. Here
is the correct meaning from Dictionary.com
"An error in printing or writing, especially such an error noted in a
list of corrections and bound into a book."
There was no error in writing on my part. What I wrote was clear,
concise, and factual. If it is to be considered "errata", then it is
corrections of your misconceptions and errors, meaning that you you
have said was in error, as usual. You have not shown that there is any
error on my part at all. Your opinion in the matter is known to be
highly biased and usually unconnected with reality.
Basically, you have admitted that what you wrote was in error, and I
provided the correction for what you said.
Mark Sebree
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 20 Mar 2006 09:52:09 AM
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1142868240.433489.251100@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Johnny wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1142795375.556395.310190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Johnny wrote:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:

Before killing an unborn child,


There is no such thing as an unborn child.


Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such
thing
as gestation."
Which shows us your idiocy.


No, it shows your idiocy.

All children have been born.


Very odd. If all children have been born, then there will be no more
children born.


Only to someone like you that refuses to think.

I analyze. Your problem is you do not follow logic well enough, and it
causes you to side with erroneous assumptions and statements made by
pro-Choicers.

To be a child, one must have been born.

A Pro-Choice lie. That statement you just made is nowhere in the
Constitution.
If you are going to foam at the mouth and spew some Pro-Choice definition,
then i will not be pleased or surprised by your ignorance.

Prior to birth, it is not a child,

Sorry, idiot. You are wrong.

it is an embryo or fetus, depending on the gestational age. But then, I
explained that to you in the previous post.

Your explanations are in error.

Before they have been born, they are not
children,


Pro-Choice lie.


Objective fact.

Pro-Choice lie.


they are embryos and fetuses, depending on the time of
gestation.

However, you have been told this before.


You are not my master, nor are you my teacher.


I am your teacher,

Wrong. You are too ignorant and dishonest and too disrespectful to be my
teacher.
You never taught me, and you shall never teach me.

even if you refuse to learn what you are being
taught.

You are not teaching me. I am not your student.

And I am your better in practically every way.

A false assertion.

What you 'told' me in this area is automatically and categorically deemed
errata.


You really should learn to use a dictionary. I do not know what you
think "errata" means, but it is obvious not the correct meaning. Here
is the correct meaning from Dictionary.com

"An error in printing or writing, especially such an error noted in a
list of corrections and bound into a book."

Your writing is so much in error it is judged to be errata.

There was no error in writing on my part.

You failed the test.

What I wrote was clear,
concise, and factual. If it is to be considered "errata", then it is
corrections of your misconceptions and errors, meaning that you you
have said was in error, as usual. You have not shown that there is any
error on my part at all. Your opinion in the matter is known to be
highly biased and usually unconnected with reality.

Basically, you have admitted that what you wrote was in error, and I
provided the correction for what you said.

You are doomed.


Mark Sebree

.
User: "Mark Sebree"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 20 Mar 2006 11:50:50 AM
Johnny wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1142868240.433489.251100@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


Johnny wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1142795375.556395.310190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Johnny wrote:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:

Before killing an unborn child,


There is no such thing as an unborn child.


Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such
thing
as gestation."
Which shows us your idiocy.


No, it shows your idiocy.

All children have been born.


Very odd. If all children have been born, then there will be no more
children born.


Only to someone like you that refuses to think.


I analyze.

But not very well.

Your problem is you do not follow logic well enough,

I follow it far better than you do.

and it
causes you to side with erroneous assumptions and statements made by
pro-Choicers.

Not at all. There is nothing erroneous about what pro-choice advocates
have to say.


To be a child, one must have been born.


A Pro-Choice lie.

Nope. A fact.

That statement you just made is nowhere in the
Constitution.

That is because the Constitution does not define what a child is. At
the time, there was no question about the definition. Then, as now, a
child had been born, and that is when it was a human being and a
person.

If you are going to foam at the mouth and spew some Pro-Choice definition,
then i will not be pleased or surprised by your ignorance.

Meaning, you will not be surprsied that the truth does not conform to
your opinions and delusions. You cannot handle my knowledge,
especially since it contradicts your opinions.


Prior to birth, it is not a child,


Sorry, idiot. You are wrong.

Sorry idiot, I am right. You are wrong.

it is an embryo or fetus, depending on the gestational age. But then, I
explained that to you in the previous post.


Your explanations are in error.

Prove it. My explanation perfectly conforms to the facts.


Before they have been born, they are not
children,


Pro-Choice lie.


Objective fact.


Pro-Choice lie.

Objective fact. Pro-choice does not lie. We leave the lies to the
anti-choice advocates like you.


they are embryos and fetuses, depending on the time of
gestation.

However, you have been told this before.


You are not my master, nor are you my teacher.


I am your teacher,


Wrong.

Not in the least.

You are too ignorant and dishonest and too disrespectful to be my
teacher.

I am more educated, more knowledgable, more respectful, and more honest
than you have ever shown yourself to be.

You never taught me, and you shall never teach me.

That is because you are a poor student that refuses to learn. You
cannot blame the teacher when the student is intent on remaining
ignorant.


even if you refuse to learn what you are being
taught.


You are not teaching me. I am not your student.

I have been teaching you, whether you like it or not. You are just a
poor student. You refuse to learn even when spoonfed the facts and
information.



And I am your better in practically every way.


A false assertion.

A factual assertion. You have never shown yourself to be my superior
at anything positive.


What you 'told' me in this area is automatically and categorically deemed
errata.


You really should learn to use a dictionary. I do not know what you
think "errata" means, but it is obvious not the correct meaning. Here
is the correct meaning from Dictionary.com

"An error in printing or writing, especially such an error noted in a
list of corrections and bound into a book."


Your writing is so much in error it is judged to be errata.

Impossible. Errata are corrections. That means that my writing is so
factual that it can be judged the corrections for your writings. That
is basically what you said, or else you made a self-contradictory
statement.
And since my writings are not filled with errors, there is no need for
any errata to most of it.
You had the definition in front of you, and you STILL misused it.


There was no error in writing on my part.


You failed the test.

I passed the test. You failed your reading comprehension test.


What I wrote was clear,
concise, and factual. If it is to be considered "errata", then it is
corrections of your misconceptions and errors, meaning that you you
have said was in error, as usual. You have not shown that there is any
error on my part at all. Your opinion in the matter is known to be
highly biased and usually unconnected with reality.

Basically, you have admitted that what you wrote was in error, and I
provided the correction for what you said.


You are doomed.

From you, that means that I am blessed. You do not have the power to

doom me to anything. When you write something like that, it basically
means that you are acknowledging the facts that I have jsut written are
facts. What's more, since you cannot support anything that you write,
there is no reason for anyone to believe you.
Mark Sebree


Mark Sebree

.



User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 06:41:48 PM
Johnny wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1142795375.556395.310190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Johnny wrote:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:


Before killing an unborn child,


There is no such thing as an unborn child.


Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such
thing
as gestation."
Which shows us your idiocy.


No, it shows your idiocy.

All children have been born.



Very odd. If all children have been born, then there will be no more
children born.

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. If it was meant to be a joke,
it was a poor one, indeed.



Before they have been born, they are not
children,



Pro-Choice lie.

Elaborate.



they are embryos and fetuses, depending on the time of
gestation.

However, you have been told this before.



You are not my master, nor are you my teacher.
What you 'told' me in this area is automatically and categorically deemed
errata.

Fine, go ahead and continue to believe that the moon is made out of
Norweigan Beaver Cheese.
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User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 05:12:21 PM
Johnny wrote:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrne1q9gf.1hg.usenet@goodwill.io.com...

In our last episode,
<lYednZjl1K_sb4HZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.atheism:


Before killing an unborn child,


There is no such thing as an unborn child.



Meaning, "All children have already been born; and, there is no such thing
as gestation."

Children do not undergo gestation, numbnuts.

Which shows us your idiocy.

*BANG* Another irony meter broken....
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User: "Parsifal"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 03:59:40 AM
J Young wrote:
Before killing an unborn child, the abortionist must first determine
how
long the baby's mom has been pregnant
Wow, two lies in the first sentence: there is no such thing as a
"unborn child" and there is no such thing as an "abortionist".
Intelligent people call them "foetues" and "doctors"...
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User: "LordCo"

Title: Re: PSA: Abortion methods 19 Mar 2006 01:43:17 AM
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 00:55:38 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

Once again, if we're going to be a 'pro-choice' society, let's provide women
with *all* of the facts

Uh huh. You missed one, dickhole.
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