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Science > Abortion |
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":::vera:::" |
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23 Apr 2004 05:36:32 PM |
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PSALM 23 |
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAME=Psalm_023&BITRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me
in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: for thou art with me;
thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies:
thou anointest my head with oil;
my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life:
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
::: vera :::
--
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:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ::::::::::
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
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| User: ":::vera:::" |
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
25 Apr 2004 10:14:48 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:250420041742406794%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjfr$bo4jg$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-0E6A70.08384925042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpsq$b0vqk$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-779DB7.08443124042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6c5pj$ab5kn$3@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAME=Psal
m_02
3&BI
TRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
So why do many faithful Christians want?
Good question... why?
And why do they have abortions?
People want because they have needs. Obviously, this is yet another
of many contridictions between reality and the Bible. People have
abortions because they see abortions as necessary.
Yes, they do. But they are wrong with that.
There would be many ways to prevent abortions:
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
2) They should think of giving the child away for adoption, and at least
people have not killed their own children.
Adoption agencies are currently unable to get rid of those they have.
Oh, really? That is different here in Germany. Maybe one should think more internationally
then.
3) People should think of the fact that times might change, and what they
regard to be impossible today might become true tomorrow. But that would be too late
for the aborted human being.
Or, perhaps, as time goes by, all people will realize a fetus isn't
human at all.
But it is. Have you seen pictures? Have you heared their heart pounding? I have,
when I was pregnant... Have you felt their movements in your belly? I have...
Believe me, I am a mother, I can tell you, they ARE humans. It was my child the very
first moment, and I even knew at once that I was pregnant, that God had given me to
a human life to take care for it. It was so wonderful. Why do people spoil all this?
Love and peace,
::: vera :::
I will praise thee, O Lord, among the people: I will sing unto thee
among the nations. (Psalm 57:9)
--
"GROWING DEEPER" on
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ::::::::::
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
Christian adventure website... Danger! Do not go there! It might change your life to the better...
.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
25 Apr 2004 10:35:13 PM |
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In article <c6hur9$c0vgo$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742406794%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjfr$bo4jg$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-0E6A70.08384925042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpsq$b0vqk$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-779DB7.08443124042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6c5pj$ab5kn$3@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAME=
Psal
m_02
3&BI
TRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
So why do many faithful Christians want?
Good question... why?
And why do they have abortions?
People want because they have needs. Obviously, this is yet another
of many contridictions between reality and the Bible. People have
abortions because they see abortions as necessary.
Yes, they do. But they are wrong with that.
There would be many ways to prevent abortions:
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
So, you feel that if a person is irresponsible, if a person makes a
"mistake," if a person doesn't want a child but gets pregnant, he or
she should "stand by their mistakes?" The child here will be the
"mistake," right? And the child will pay the consequence. This is
what is wrong with pro-lifers. You care more about your feeling than
the life of the child that you force into the world.
2) They should think of giving the child away for adoption, and at least
people have not killed their own children.
Adoption agencies are currently unable to get rid of those they have.
Oh, really? That is different here in Germany. Maybe one should think more
internationally
then.
The reason it is different in Germany is because the unwanted children
there are white. In the US, the most popular location for getting
adopted babies is Russia, because they are white. Healthy white babies
here are hard to come by. Minorities are a dime a dozen. And sadly,
they are also the most likely to be unwanted.
3) People should think of the fact that times might change, and what they
regard to be impossible today might become true tomorrow. But that would
be too late
for the aborted human being.
Or, perhaps, as time goes by, all people will realize a fetus isn't
human at all.
But it is. Have you seen pictures? Have you heared their heart pounding? I
have,
when I was pregnant... Have you felt their movements in your belly? I have...
Believe me, I am a mother, I can tell you, they ARE humans. It was my child
the very
first moment, and I even knew at once that I was pregnant, that God had given
me to
a human life to take care for it. It was so wonderful. Why do people spoil
all this?
Your opinion is noted.
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| User: ":::vera:::" |
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
27 Apr 2004 11:13:43 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:250420042035138144%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hur9$c0vgo$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742406794%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjfr$bo4jg$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-0E6A70.08384925042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpsq$b0vqk$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-779DB7.08443124042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6c5pj$ab5kn$3@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAME=
Psal
m_02
3&BI
TRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
So why do many faithful Christians want?
Good question... why?
And why do they have abortions?
People want because they have needs. Obviously, this is yet another
of many contridictions between reality and the Bible. People have
abortions because they see abortions as necessary.
Yes, they do. But they are wrong with that.
There would be many ways to prevent abortions:
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
So, you feel that if a person is irresponsible, if a person makes a
"mistake," if a person doesn't want a child but gets pregnant, he or
she should "stand by their mistakes?" The child here will be the
"mistake," right? And the child will pay the consequence. This is
what is wrong with pro-lifers. You care more about your feeling than
the life of the child that you force into the world.
Oh, come on, you are getting polemic. I did not say that the children
are "mistakes" - that is what you put into my mouth. They made a mistake
that they did not prevent becoming pregnant if they do not want a child.
Please do not misinterpret me for your own puposes.
2) They should think of giving the child away for adoption, and at least
people have not killed their own children.
Adoption agencies are currently unable to get rid of those they have.
Oh, really? That is different here in Germany. Maybe one should think more
internationally
then.
The reason it is different in Germany is because the unwanted children
there are white. In the US, the most popular location for getting
adopted babies is Russia, because they are white. Healthy white babies
here are hard to come by. Minorities are a dime a dozen. And sadly,
they are also the most likely to be unwanted.
That saddens me much to hear this.
3) People should think of the fact that times might change, and what they
regard to be impossible today might become true tomorrow. But that would
be too late
for the aborted human being.
Or, perhaps, as time goes by, all people will realize a fetus isn't
human at all.
But it is. Have you seen pictures? Have you heared their heart pounding? I
have,
when I was pregnant... Have you felt their movements in your belly? I have...
Believe me, I am a mother, I can tell you, they ARE humans. It was my child
the very
first moment, and I even knew at once that I was pregnant, that God had given
me to
a human life to take care for it. It was so wonderful. Why do people spoil
all this?
Your opinion is noted.
Fine. Thank you.
Love and peace,
::: vera :::
I will praise thee, O Lord, among the people: I will sing unto thee
among the nations. (Psalm 57:9)
--
"GROWING DEEPER" on
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ::::::::::
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
Christian adventure website... Danger! Do not go there! It might change your life to the better...
.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
27 Apr 2004 09:07:38 PM |
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:::vera::: <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
So, you feel that if a person is irresponsible, if a person makes a
"mistake," if a person doesn't want a child but gets pregnant, he or
she should "stand by their mistakes?" The child here will be the
"mistake," right? And the child will pay the consequence. This is
what is wrong with pro-lifers. You care more about your feeling than
the life of the child that you force into the world.
Oh, come on, you are getting polemic. I did not say that the children
are "mistakes" - that is what you put into my mouth. They made a mistake
that they did not prevent becoming pregnant if they do not want a child.
How do you know they made a mistake? Is it a "mistake" to get the
flu? Is it a "mistake" to get cancer?
If a woman is using contraception and ends up pregnant, what "mistake"
did she make?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: ":::vera:::" |
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
28 Apr 2004 06:56:18 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:c6n3l9$fvi$1@bolt.sonic.net...
:::vera::: <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
So, you feel that if a person is irresponsible, if a person makes a
"mistake," if a person doesn't want a child but gets pregnant, he or
she should "stand by their mistakes?" The child here will be the
"mistake," right? And the child will pay the consequence. This is
what is wrong with pro-lifers. You care more about your feeling than
the life of the child that you force into the world.
Oh, come on, you are getting polemic. I did not say that the children
are "mistakes" - that is what you put into my mouth. They made a mistake
that they did not prevent becoming pregnant if they do not want a child.
How do you know they made a mistake? Is it a "mistake" to get the
flu? Is it a "mistake" to get cancer?
Is getting pregnant the same as getting "cancer" or the "flu" for you?
If a woman is using contraception and ends up pregnant, what "mistake"
did she make?
Up to that time: none.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
::: vera :::
--
"Do you need proof of God? - Does one light a torch to see the sun?" (Tom in ACC)
"Growing Deeper" on
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ::::::::::
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
29 Apr 2004 01:05:18 AM |
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:::vera::: <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:c6n3l9$fvi$1@bolt.sonic.net...
:::vera::: <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
So, you feel that if a person is irresponsible, if a person makes a
"mistake," if a person doesn't want a child but gets pregnant, he or
she should "stand by their mistakes?" The child here will be the
"mistake," right? And the child will pay the consequence. This is
what is wrong with pro-lifers. You care more about your feeling than
the life of the child that you force into the world.
Oh, come on, you are getting polemic. I did not say that the children
are "mistakes" - that is what you put into my mouth. They made a mistake
that they did not prevent becoming pregnant if they do not want a child.
How do you know they made a mistake? Is it a "mistake" to get the
flu? Is it a "mistake" to get cancer?
Is getting pregnant the same as getting "cancer" or the "flu" for you?
You're not answering the question. How do you know they made a
mistake?
If a woman is using contraception and ends up pregnant, what "mistake"
did she make?
Up to that time: none.
Then your claim she made a mistake was obviously YOUR mistake.
And given that you are rather obviously fallible, why do you think you
have any right to pass judgement on other people?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "MyTwoAngels" |
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
28 Apr 2004 06:59:23 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:56:18 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:c6n3l9$fvi$1@bolt.sonic.net...
:::vera::: <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
So, you feel that if a person is irresponsible, if a person makes a
"mistake," if a person doesn't want a child but gets pregnant, he or
she should "stand by their mistakes?" The child here will be the
"mistake," right? And the child will pay the consequence. This is
what is wrong with pro-lifers. You care more about your feeling than
the life of the child that you force into the world.
Oh, come on, you are getting polemic. I did not say that the children
are "mistakes" - that is what you put into my mouth. They made a mistake
that they did not prevent becoming pregnant if they do not want a child.
How do you know they made a mistake? Is it a "mistake" to get the
flu? Is it a "mistake" to get cancer?
Is getting pregnant the same as getting "cancer" or the "flu" for you?
If a woman is using contraception and ends up pregnant, what "mistake"
did she make?
Up to that time: none.
What's righteous about giving birth to a baby you have no intention of
raising?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
::: vera :::
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
27 Apr 2004 09:40:05 PM |
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In article <c6m0rp$dgcqp$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420042035138144%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hur9$c0vgo$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742406794%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjfr$bo4jg$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-0E6A70.08384925042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpsq$b0vqk$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-779DB7.08443124042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6c5pj$ab5kn$3@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAME=
Psal
m_02
3&BI
TRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
So why do many faithful Christians want?
Good question... why?
And why do they have abortions?
People want because they have needs. Obviously, this is yet another
of many contridictions between reality and the Bible. People have
abortions because they see abortions as necessary.
Yes, they do. But they are wrong with that.
There would be many ways to prevent abortions:
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
So, you feel that if a person is irresponsible, if a person makes a
"mistake," if a person doesn't want a child but gets pregnant, he or
she should "stand by their mistakes?" The child here will be the
"mistake," right? And the child will pay the consequence. This is
what is wrong with pro-lifers. You care more about your feeling than
the life of the child that you force into the world.
Oh, come on, you are getting polemic. I did not say that the children
are "mistakes" - that is what you put into my mouth.
I don't think so:
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
They made a mistake
that they did not prevent becoming pregnant if they do not want a child.
Please do not misinterpret me for your own puposes.
And what does "standing by there mistakes" entail?
2) They should think of giving the child away for adoption, and at
least
people have not killed their own children.
Adoption agencies are currently unable to get rid of those they have.
Oh, really? That is different here in Germany. Maybe one should think more
internationally
then.
The reason it is different in Germany is because the unwanted children
there are white. In the US, the most popular location for getting
adopted babies is Russia, because they are white. Healthy white babies
here are hard to come by. Minorities are a dime a dozen. And sadly,
they are also the most likely to be unwanted.
That saddens me much to hear this.
Sad but true.
3) People should think of the fact that times might change, and what
they
regard to be impossible today might become true tomorrow. But that
would
be too late
for the aborted human being.
Or, perhaps, as time goes by, all people will realize a fetus isn't
human at all.
But it is. Have you seen pictures? Have you heared their heart pounding? I
have,
when I was pregnant... Have you felt their movements in your belly? I
have...
Believe me, I am a mother, I can tell you, they ARE humans. It was my
child
the very
first moment, and I even knew at once that I was pregnant, that God had
given
me to
a human life to take care for it. It was so wonderful. Why do people spoil
all this?
Your opinion is noted.
Fine. Thank you.
Love and peace,
At least she is a polite prolifer.
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| User: ":::vera:::" |
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
28 Apr 2004 07:02:15 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:270420041940050925%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6m0rp$dgcqp$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420042035138144%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hur9$c0vgo$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742406794%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjfr$bo4jg$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-0E6A70.08384925042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpsq$b0vqk$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-779DB7.08443124042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6c5pj$ab5kn$3@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAME=
Psal
m_02
3&BI
TRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
So why do many faithful Christians want?
Good question... why?
And why do they have abortions?
People want because they have needs. Obviously, this is yet another
of many contridictions between reality and the Bible. People have
abortions because they see abortions as necessary.
Yes, they do. But they are wrong with that.
There would be many ways to prevent abortions:
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
So, you feel that if a person is irresponsible, if a person makes a
"mistake," if a person doesn't want a child but gets pregnant, he or
she should "stand by their mistakes?" The child here will be the
"mistake," right? And the child will pay the consequence. This is
what is wrong with pro-lifers. You care more about your feeling than
the life of the child that you force into the world.
Oh, come on, you are getting polemic. I did not say that the children
are "mistakes" - that is what you put into my mouth.
I don't think so:
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
They made a mistake
that they did not prevent becoming pregnant if they do not want a child.
Please do not misinterpret me for your own puposes.
And what does "standing by there mistakes" entail?
Get the baby, what else? It might not be comfortable for a while, but better that
an abortion. Many women get problems with it later. A baby is no illness.
2) They should think of giving the child away for adoption, and at
least
people have not killed their own children.
Adoption agencies are currently unable to get rid of those they have.
Oh, really? That is different here in Germany. Maybe one should think more
internationally
then.
The reason it is different in Germany is because the unwanted children
there are white. In the US, the most popular location for getting
adopted babies is Russia, because they are white. Healthy white babies
here are hard to come by. Minorities are a dime a dozen. And sadly,
they are also the most likely to be unwanted.
That saddens me much to hear this.
Sad but true.
Okay, but we know now, and we should care and do something against this unrighteousness.
3) People should think of the fact that times might change, and what
they
regard to be impossible today might become true tomorrow. But that
would
be too late
for the aborted human being.
Or, perhaps, as time goes by, all people will realize a fetus isn't
human at all.
But it is. Have you seen pictures? Have you heared their heart pounding? I
have,
when I was pregnant... Have you felt their movements in your belly? I
have...
Believe me, I am a mother, I can tell you, they ARE humans. It was my
child
the very
first moment, and I even knew at once that I was pregnant, that God had
given
me to
a human life to take care for it. It was so wonderful. Why do people spoil
all this?
Your opinion is noted.
Fine. Thank you.
Love and peace,
At least she is a polite prolifer.
Whal else? Would it change anything if I got angry? No, that cannot be the way... You see,
I can see that women who want to abort are in a crisis. I would not help them or the unborn
if I accused them. I want to help them, not to accuse them. I am a human too, and I am not
perfect, either.
Greetings,
::: vera :::
--
"Do you need proof of God? - Does one light a torch to see the sun?" (Tom in ACC)
"Growing Deeper" on
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ::::::::::
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
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28 Apr 2004 10:03:09 PM |
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In article <c6pgmd$ehjqv$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:270420041940050925%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6m0rp$dgcqp$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420042035138144%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hur9$c0vgo$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742406794%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjfr$bo4jg$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-0E6A70.08384925042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpsq$b0vqk$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-779DB7.08443124042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6c5pj$ab5kn$3@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAME=
Psal
m_02
3&BI
TRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
So why do many faithful Christians want?
Good question... why?
And why do they have abortions?
People want because they have needs. Obviously, this is yet
another
of many contridictions between reality and the Bible. People
have
abortions because they see abortions as necessary.
Yes, they do. But they are wrong with that.
There would be many ways to prevent abortions:
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
So, you feel that if a person is irresponsible, if a person makes a
"mistake," if a person doesn't want a child but gets pregnant, he or
she should "stand by their mistakes?" The child here will be the
"mistake," right? And the child will pay the consequence. This is
what is wrong with pro-lifers. You care more about your feeling than
the life of the child that you force into the world.
Oh, come on, you are getting polemic. I did not say that the children
are "mistakes" - that is what you put into my mouth.
I don't think so:
1) People should start preventing becoming pregnant.
Agreed. But what if they don't?
Then they should stand to their mistakes.
They made a mistake
that they did not prevent becoming pregnant if they do not want a child.
Please do not misinterpret me for your own puposes.
And what does "standing by there mistakes" entail?
Get the baby, what else? It might not be comfortable for a while, but better
that
an abortion.
That's the question, isn't it?
Many women get problems with it later. A baby is no illness.
No, but my interest turns to the child once it is born. Don't you
think it cruel to bring a child into the world that is unwanted, and
have it raised by people who were too irresponsible to prevent it and
now feel forced by the government to have the child and care for it
simply because it made someone else, someone who now relinquishes
responsibility for the child? You say "it might not be comfortable for
a while," but it sounds like it YOUR comfort you are concerned about.
2) They should think of giving the child away for adoption, and at
least
people have not killed their own children.
Adoption agencies are currently unable to get rid of those they
have.
Oh, really? That is different here in Germany. Maybe one should think
more
internationally
then.
The reason it is different in Germany is because the unwanted children
there are white. In the US, the most popular location for getting
adopted babies is Russia, because they are white. Healthy white babies
here are hard to come by. Minorities are a dime a dozen. And sadly,
they are also the most likely to be unwanted.
That saddens me much to hear this.
Sad but true.
Okay, but we know now, and we should care and do something against this
unrighteousness.
How do you force people to care for a child?
3) People should think of the fact that times might change, and
what
they
regard to be impossible today might become true tomorrow. But that
would
be too late
for the aborted human being.
Or, perhaps, as time goes by, all people will realize a fetus isn't
human at all.
But it is. Have you seen pictures? Have you heared their heart
pounding? I
have,
when I was pregnant... Have you felt their movements in your belly? I
have...
Believe me, I am a mother, I can tell you, they ARE humans. It was my
child
the very
first moment, and I even knew at once that I was pregnant, that God
had
given
me to
a human life to take care for it. It was so wonderful. Why do people
spoil
all this?
Your opinion is noted.
Fine. Thank you.
Love and peace,
At least she is a polite prolifer.
Whal else? Would it change anything if I got angry? No, that cannot be the
way... You see,
I can see that women who want to abort are in a crisis. I would not help them
or the unborn
if I accused them. I want to help them, not to accuse them. I am a human too, and I am not
perfect, either.
I wasn't complaining, I was complimenting you...
I suspect you don't understand, but you are the most difficult type of
"pro-lifer" there is with which to argue. I disagree with the logic of
your position, as I would any pro-lifer. However, you appear to be
pro-life because of an inner desire to save what you see as innocent
lives. Most prolifers are in it for the control, and most importantly,
the punishment apsects.
Do you just oppose abortion personally, or do you endorse making
abortion illegal, too?
Greetings,
::: vera :::
--
"Do you need proof of God? - Does one light a torch to see the sun?" (Tom in ACC)
"Growing Deeper" on
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ::::::::::
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
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25 Apr 2004 10:16:48 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:250420041742416818%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjkn$c5d6k$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-C5411A.08364625042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpr2$b2pg1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:99vk80t39bo46bholn7cj602knojolshev@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:36:32 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAME=Psal
m_023
&BITRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd.......
Only sheep need shepherds.
Slate
We are all sheep, there is only the clever kind that listens to the
shepherd,
and
the stupid ones... It is only a question who is your shepherd.
We are not all sheep. Speak for yourself.
ALL are - just some are stupid and do not listen to the shepherd.
If I say I am the shepherd, will you do as I say?
Of course not, I only listen to the one shepherd whose voice I know.
:-)
Psalm 91:1-2 (KJV)
He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High
shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
I will say of the LORD,
He is my refuge and my fortress:
my God; in him will I trust.
::: vera :::
--
"Growing Deeper" on
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ::::::::::
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
25 Apr 2004 10:35:13 PM |
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In article <c6huv1$bttl1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742416818%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjkn$c5d6k$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-C5411A.08364625042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpr2$b2pg1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:99vk80t39bo46bholn7cj602knojolshev@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:36:32 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAM
E=Psal
m_023
&BITRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd.......
Only sheep need shepherds.
Slate
We are all sheep, there is only the clever kind that listens to the
shepherd,
and
the stupid ones... It is only a question who is your shepherd.
We are not all sheep. Speak for yourself.
ALL are - just some are stupid and do not listen to the shepherd.
If I say I am the shepherd, will you do as I say?
Of course not, I only listen to the one shepherd whose voice I know.
And how do you know he is the correct one?
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27 Apr 2004 11:15:53 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:250420042035138168%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6huv1$bttl1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742416818%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjkn$c5d6k$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-C5411A.08364625042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpr2$b2pg1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:99vk80t39bo46bholn7cj602knojolshev@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:36:32 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAM
E=Psal
m_023
&BITRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd.......
Only sheep need shepherds.
Slate
We are all sheep, there is only the clever kind that listens to the
shepherd,
and
the stupid ones... It is only a question who is your shepherd.
We are not all sheep. Speak for yourself.
ALL are - just some are stupid and do not listen to the shepherd.
If I say I am the shepherd, will you do as I say?
Of course not, I only listen to the one shepherd whose voice I know.
And how do you know he is the correct one?
That is a very long story. He spoke into my heart, and I know His voice.
We can learn who He is in the Bibles.
Love and peace,
::: vera :::
--
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ::::::::::
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
Love...keeps no record of wrongs. Love...always hopes, always perseveres.
(1 Corinthians 13:4-7, NIV)
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
27 Apr 2004 09:40:06 PM |
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In article <c6m0vr$ddklr$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420042035138168%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6huv1$bttl1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742416818%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjkn$c5d6k$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-C5411A.08364625042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpr2$b2pg1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:99vk80t39bo46bholn7cj602knojolshev@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:36:32 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAM
E=Psal
m_023
&BITRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd.......
Only sheep need shepherds.
Slate
We are all sheep, there is only the clever kind that listens to
the
shepherd,
and
the stupid ones... It is only a question who is your shepherd.
We are not all sheep. Speak for yourself.
ALL are - just some are stupid and do not listen to the shepherd.
If I say I am the shepherd, will you do as I say?
Of course not, I only listen to the one shepherd whose voice I know.
And how do you know he is the correct one?
That is a very long story. He spoke into my heart, and I know His voice.
We can learn who He is in the Bibles.
That still doesn't explain how you know it is God. Maybe it is Satan,
or Buddha.
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28 Apr 2004 07:05:50 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:270420041940060948%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6m0vr$ddklr$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420042035138168%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6huv1$bttl1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742416818%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjkn$c5d6k$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-C5411A.08364625042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpr2$b2pg1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:99vk80t39bo46bholn7cj602knojolshev@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:36:32 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAM
E=Psal
m_023
&BITRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd.......
Only sheep need shepherds.
Slate
We are all sheep, there is only the clever kind that listens to
the
shepherd,
and
the stupid ones... It is only a question who is your shepherd.
We are not all sheep. Speak for yourself.
ALL are - just some are stupid and do not listen to the shepherd.
If I say I am the shepherd, will you do as I say?
Of course not, I only listen to the one shepherd whose voice I know.
And how do you know he is the correct one?
That is a very long story. He spoke into my heart, and I know His voice.
We can learn who He is in the Bibles.
That still doesn't explain how you know it is God. Maybe it is Satan,
or Buddha.
No, it is not. My God sent me a long letter in which he wrote to me who He is.
He wrote this letter ober a period of some thousand years, in 66 books. He
employed many writers to write it down for Him. And I can read about Him
in these books, called Bible. The Bible tells me about God and how He loves
this world, you and me, and all the unborn as well.
Love you,
::: vera :::
--
"Do you need proof of God? - Does one light a torch to see the sun?" (Tom in ACC)
"Growing Deeper" on
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ::::::::::
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
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| Title: Re: PSALM 23 |
28 Apr 2004 10:03:11 PM |
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In article <c6pgt4$ek86h$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:270420041940060948%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6m0vr$ddklr$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420042035138168%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6huv1$bttl1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742416818%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjkn$c5d6k$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-C5411A.08364625042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpr2$b2pg1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:99vk80t39bo46bholn7cj602knojolshev@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:36:32 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAM
E=Psal
m_023
&BITRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd.......
Only sheep need shepherds.
Slate
We are all sheep, there is only the clever kind that listens
to
the
shepherd,
and
the stupid ones... It is only a question who is your shepherd.
We are not all sheep. Speak for yourself.
ALL are - just some are stupid and do not listen to the shepherd.
If I say I am the shepherd, will you do as I say?
Of course not, I only listen to the one shepherd whose voice I know.
And how do you know he is the correct one?
That is a very long story. He spoke into my heart, and I know His voice.
We can learn who He is in the Bibles.
That still doesn't explain how you know it is God. Maybe it is Satan,
or Buddha.
No, it is not. My God sent me a long letter in which he wrote to me who He is.
He wrote this letter ober a period of some thousand years, in 66 books. He
employed many writers to write it down for Him. And I can read about Him
in these books, called Bible. The Bible tells me about God and how He loves
this world, you and me, and all the unborn as well.
I see.
Love you,
::: vera :::
--
"Do you need proof of God? - Does one light a torch to see the sun?" (Tom in ACC)
"Growing Deeper" on
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ::::::::::
:::::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ::::::::::
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27 Apr 2004 04:14:02 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:15:53 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:250420042035138168%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6huv1$bttl1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742416818%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjkn$c5d6k$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-C5411A.08364625042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpr2$b2pg1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:36:32 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAM
E=Psal
m_023
&BITRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd.......
Only sheep need shepherds.
Slate
We are all sheep, there is only the clever kind that listens to the
shepherd,
and
the stupid ones... It is only a question who is your shepherd.
We are not all sheep. Speak for yourself.
ALL are - just some are stupid and do not listen to the shepherd.
If I say I am the shepherd, will you do as I say?
Of course not, I only listen to the one shepherd whose voice I know.
And how do you know he is the correct one?
That is a very long story. He spoke into my heart, and I know His voice.
We can learn who He is in the Bibles.
Let me ask you a question Vera, and perhaps you can answer it.
What is God?
Slate
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28 Apr 2004 07:03:06 PM |
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"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:v5jt80lkrhn0lvbrutd1toes1lijq65j8c@4ax.com...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:15:53 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:250420042035138168%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6huv1$bttl1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:250420041742416818%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <c6hjkn$c5d6k$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>, :::vera:::
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:srhi-C5411A.08364625042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <c6fpr2$b2pg1$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>,
":::vera:::" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:99vk80t39bo46bholn7cj602knojolshev@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:36:32 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
PSALM 23 IN HEBREW
(http://audios.dtison.net/dtison/hebrew/narrations/audio.php?NAM
E=Psal
m_023
&BITRATE=16)
-it is so very beautiful...
<A Psalm of David.>
The LORD is my shepherd.......
Only sheep need shepherds.
Slate
We are all sheep, there is only the clever kind that listens to the
shepherd,
and
the stupid ones... It is only a question who is your shepherd.
We are not all sheep. Speak for yourself.
ALL are - just some are stupid and do not listen to the shepherd.
If I say I am the shepherd, will you do as I say?
Of course not, I only listen to the one shepherd whose voice I know.
And how do you know he is the correct one?
That is a very long story. He spoke into my heart, and I know His voice.
We can learn who He is in the Bibles.
Let me ask you a question Vera, and perhaps you can answer it.
What is God?
A person. :-)
Slate
Greetings,
::: vera :::
--
"Do you need proof of God? - Does one light a torch to see the sun?" (Tom in ACC)
"Growing Deeper" on
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30 Apr 2004 12:02:13 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:03:06 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:v5jt80lkrhn0lvbrutd1toes1lijq65j8c@4ax.com...
Let me ask you a question Vera, and perhaps you can answer it.
What is God?
A person. :-)
::: vera :::
Now that is interesting. I didn't realize that God was a human
being. I was always under the impression that God was unknowable,
but it's good to hear he's just one of the guys. <G>
Slate
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30 Apr 2004 05:18:31 PM |
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"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ea1590hr1l1pv41841sinv1sivcotjsk1v@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:03:06 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:v5jt80lkrhn0lvbrutd1toes1lijq65j8c@4ax.com...
Let me ask you a question Vera, and perhaps you can answer it.
What is God?
A person. :-)
::: vera :::
Now that is interesting. I didn't realize that God was a human
being. I was always under the impression that God was unknowable,
but it's good to hear he's just one of the guys. <G>
Slate
I wrote "person", not "human". We are made after God's image, but that does not
mean we are identical.
Christians know many things about their God. He has characteristics like being
good, just, true, caring, loving... He can speak to me. He listens to me. All those
are features a person has. But He is much, much more, and I can only understand
those features that I know... The others are unknowable, but many are not.
The Bible explains this much better. It is a book which makes clear that God
has a relation to his creatures, and it shows what a kind of relation this is.
Have you read it?
Love and Peace,
::: vera :::
--
"Do you need proof of God? - Does one light a torch to see the sun?" (Tom in ACC)
"Growing Deeper" on
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30 Apr 2004 06:39:44 PM |
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On Sat, 1 May 2004 00:18:31 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ea1590hr1l1pv41841sinv1sivcotjsk1v@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:03:06 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:v5jt80lkrhn0lvbrutd1toes1lijq65j8c@4ax.com...
Let me ask you a question Vera, and perhaps you can answer it.
What is God?
A person. :-)
::: vera :::
Now that is interesting. I didn't realize that God was a human
being. I was always under the impression that God was unknowable,
but it's good to hear he's just one of the guys. <G>
Slate
I wrote "person", not "human".
A person IS a human:
person (pûr´sen) noun
A living human being. Often used in combination: chairperson;
spokesperson; salesperson.
2.An individual of specified character: a person of importance.
3.The composite of characteristics that make up an individual
personality; the self.
4.The living body of a human being: searched the prisoner's person.
<end>
As you can see, if God is a person, then he too must be a human.
We are made after God's image, but that does not mean we are identical.
So you are saying that God looks exactly like a human, but is not?
Christians know many things about their God. He has characteristics like being
good, just, true, caring, loving... He can speak to me. He listens to me. All those
are features a person has. But He is much, much more, and I can only understand
those features that I know... The others are unknowable, but many are not.
The National Catholic Almanac offers us a generous assortment of
attributes from which to choose. According to this source, God is
"almighty, eternal, holy, immortal, immense, immutable,
incomprehensible, ineffable, infinite, invisible, just, loving,
merciful, most high, most wise, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent,
patient, perfect, provident, supreme, true".
This is certainly an impressive list, but one problem immediately
becomes apparent: included in this catalog of characteristics is
"incomprehensible." One must wonder how it is possible to declare
God's incomprehensibility and simultaneously list twenty two
additional attributes. If God cannot be comprehended, how can the
National Catholic Almanac offer us a string of attributes whose
function, presumably, is to enable us to understand the nature of God?
The Bible explains this much better. It is a book which makes clear that God
has a relation to his creatures, and it shows what a kind of relation this is.
Have you read it?
I'd have to say yes and no. I've read the old and new testaments, and
I even have them both on a CD. The reason I said "yes and no", is that
there are many versions to choose from that I haven't read.
For example:
CEV: Contemporary English Version
GNT: Good News Translation
KJV: King James Version
NKJV: New King James Version
NIV: New International Version
NASB: New American Standard Bible
NJB: New Jerusalem Bible
NRSV: New Revised Standard Bible
VP:Version Popular Bible
Revised English Bible
Etc., etc.
Which Bible(s) do you mean, and which bible(s) are right or wrong?
Slate
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04 May 2004 08:52:31 PM |
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"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ipm590hgaqdf8oigpmep9c8o9nu8oesne2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 1 May 2004 00:18:31 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ea1590hr1l1pv41841sinv1sivcotjsk1v@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:03:06 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:v5jt80lkrhn0lvbrutd1toes1lijq65j8c@4ax.com...
Let me ask you a question Vera, and perhaps you can answer it.
What is God?
A person. :-)
::: vera :::
Now that is interesting. I didn't realize that God was a human
being. I was always under the impression that God was unknowable,
but it's good to hear he's just one of the guys. <G>
Slate
I wrote "person", not "human".
A person IS a human:
person (pûr´sen) noun
A living human being. Often used in combination: chairperson;
spokesperson; salesperson.
2.An individual of specified character: a person of importance.
3.The composite of characteristics that make up an individual
personality; the self.
4.The living body of a human being: searched the prisoner's person.
<end>
Yes, a human is a person, but a person does not necessarily have to be
a human.
As you can see, if God is a person, then he too must be a human.
Yes, He is - partly... He was... He has overcome...
We are made after God's image, but that does not mean we are identical.
So you are saying that God looks exactly like a human, but is not?
No, I did not say that. I wrote we were made after his image, like dolls do not have
to look like their creator.
Christians know many things about their God. He has characteristics like being
good, just, true, caring, loving... He can speak to me. He listens to me. All those
are features a person has. But He is much, much more, and I can only understand
those features that I know... The others are unknowable, but many are not.
The National Catholic Almanac offers us a generous assortment of
attributes from which to choose. According to this source, God is
"almighty, eternal, holy, immortal, immense, immutable,
incomprehensible, ineffable, infinite, invisible, just, loving,
merciful, most high, most wise, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent,
patient, perfect, provident, supreme, true".
This is certainly an impressive list, but one problem immediately
becomes apparent: included in this catalog of characteristics is
"incomprehensible." One must wonder how it is possible to declare
God's incomprehensibility and simultaneously list twenty two
additional attributes. If God cannot be comprehended, how can the
National Catholic Almanac offer us a string of attributes whose
function, presumably, is to enable us to understand the nature of God?
We can understand parts only, but we do not have the complete picture.
But we know certain characteristics of God, yes, He revealed them to us.
The Bible explains this much better. It is a book which makes clear that God
has a relation to his creatures, and it shows what a kind of relation this is.
Have you read it?
I'd have to say yes and no. I've read the old and new testaments, and
I even have them both on a CD. The reason I said "yes and no", is that
there are many versions to choose from that I haven't read.
For example:
CEV: Contemporary English Version
GNT: Good News Translation
KJV: King James Version
NKJV: New King James Version
NIV: New International Version
NASB: New American Standard Bible
NJB: New Jerusalem Bible
NRSV: New Revised Standard Bible
VP:Version Popular Bible
Revised English Bible
Etc., etc.
Which Bible(s) do you mean, and which bible(s) are right or wrong?
I do not know them all, I prefer the King James Version, but I would say
that every Bible is a good Bible if it brings you closer to God. I do not think
there is one that is not good in your list - It is simply a question of taste for me,
because God can write straight on bent lines...
Slate
Sorry for the late response, by the way, I was kept up, and had a technical
problem.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish
things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
1Co 13:9-13
Love and Peace,
::: vera :::
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30 Apr 2004 09:03:06 PM |
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On Sat, 1 May 2004 00:18:31 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ea1590hr1l1pv41841sinv1sivcotjsk1v@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:03:06 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:v5jt80lkrhn0lvbrutd1toes1lijq65j8c@4ax.com...
Let me ask you a question Vera, and perhaps you can answer it.
What is God?
A person. :-)
::: vera :::
Now that is interesting. I didn't realize that God was a human
being. I was always under the impression that God was unknowable,
but it's good to hear he's just one of the guys. <G>
Slate
I wrote "person", not "human".
Nobody question whether the person was human.
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03 May 2004 05:04:21 PM |
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"MyTwoAngels" <krisblakemy2babies@xmsg.spamu.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:b91690dlurut5kpbl2uffr8bhbvs5qjqvk@4ax.com...
On Sat, 1 May 2004 00:18:31 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ea1590hr1l1pv41841sinv1sivcotjsk1v@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:03:06 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:v5jt80lkrhn0lvbrutd1toes1lijq65j8c@4ax.com...
Let me ask you a question Vera, and perhaps you can answer it.
What is God?
A person. :-)
::: vera :::
Now that is interesting. I didn't realize that God was a human
being. I was always under the impression that God was unknowable,
but it's good to hear he's just one of the guys. <G>
Slate
I wrote "person", not "human".
Nobody question whether the person was human.
God is NOT human, but a person. Now, what are you going to do with this?
He can speak, He can make things, He can love, He can ... like a human, and, what is
best, He came to earth as a human to die for you and me, for your sins, for mine, for
the sins of the whole world.
Before I forget, there is another new song on my website!!! It is free!!!
::: vera :::
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04 May 2004 09:28:42 AM |
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:::vera::: <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"MyTwoAngels" <krisblakemy2babies@xmsg.spamu.com>
Nobody question whether the person was human.
God is NOT human, but a person. Now, what are you going to do with this?
He can speak, He can make things, He can love, He can ... like a human, and, what is
best, He came to earth as a human to die for you and me, for your sins, for mine, for
the sins of the whole world.
And you know all this about your God because you created him.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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04 May 2004 11:52:30 AM |
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On Tue, 4 May 2004 00:04:21 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"MyTwoAngels" <krisblakemy2babies@xmsg.spamu.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:b91690dlurut5kpbl2uffr8bhbvs5qjqvk@4ax.com...
On Sat, 1 May 2004 00:18:31 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ea1590hr1l1pv41841sinv1sivcotjsk1v@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:03:06 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:v5jt80lkrhn0lvbrutd1toes1lijq65j8c@4ax.com...
Let me ask you a question Vera, and perhaps you can answer it.
What is God?
A person. :-)
::: vera :::
Now that is interesting. I didn't realize that God was a human
being. I was always under the impression that God was unknowable,
but it's good to hear he's just one of the guys. <G>
Slate
God is NOT human, but a person. Now, what are you going to do with this?
There is really no place to go on this particular issue if you
continue to insist that a "person", is not a "human".
The definition I gave you in a prior post, clearly stated that
a "person" is indeed a "human".
He can speak, He can make things, He can love, He can ... like a human, and, what is
best, He came to earth as a human to die for you and me, for your sins, for mine, for
the sins of the whole world.
I noticed that you are now using the term human. See? I knew you could
do it! My original question was: "What is God"? When I mentioned
God, I was referring to the God that allegedly existed long before
Jesus was invented. The God of the O.T. Is he/she/it also a "person",
and just another animal like you and I are?
Slate
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07 May 2004 05:01:46 PM |
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"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:p7ff909r07aajpu3bg8f6edfqc4pf90rua@4ax.com...
On Tue, 4 May 2004 00:04:21 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"MyTwoAngels" <krisblakemy2babies@xmsg.spamu.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:b91690dlurut5kpbl2uffr8bhbvs5qjqvk@4ax.com...
On Sat, 1 May 2004 00:18:31 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ea1590hr1l1pv41841sinv1sivcotjsk1v@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 02:03:06 +0200, ":::vera:::"
<verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
"Slate" <let_me_know@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:v5jt80lkrhn0lvbrutd1toes1lijq65j8c@4ax.com...
Let me ask you a question Vera, and perhaps you can answer it.
What is God?
A person. :-)
::: vera :::
Now that is interesting. I didn't realize that God was a human
being. I was always under the impression that God was unknowable,
but it's good to hear he's just one of the guys. <G>
Slate
God is NOT human, but a person. Now, what are you going to do with this?
There is really no place to go on this particular issue if you
continue to insist that a "person", is not a "human".
The definition I gave you in a prior post, clearly stated that
a "person" is indeed a "human".
God is a person. It is not my fault if you cannot understand this.
He can speak, He can make things, He can love, He can ... like a human, and, what is
best, He came to earth as a human to die for you and me, for your sins, for mine, for
the sins of the whole world.
I noticed that you are now using the term human. See?
"Like" a human. But God is no human. Humans are persons, too.
I knew you could
do it! My original question was: "What is God"?
It should be "Who is God?"
When I mentioned
God, I was referring to the God that allegedly existed long before
Jesus was invented. The God of the O.T.
That is the same.
Is he/she/it also a "person",
and just another animal like you and I are?
Yes, God is a person, but not a human, and not an animal. You are not
an animal, either, but a human. Man and God are persons, but not both humans.
Slate
Love you,
::: vera :::
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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