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Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age of 55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give birth to a
child since.
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22 Nov 2003 10:56:20 PM |
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"Woman for Abortion" <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
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Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age of 55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give birth to a
child since.
It would really depend on you, your personal feelings on abortion and your
situation. You leave too much information out for any real answer, and a
group like this isn't exactly the place to get real advice. Have you sought
counseling?
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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22 Nov 2003 11:28:45 AM |
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Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age of 55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give birth to a
child since.
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You did not give birth to a child then, either............ and there is
absolutely no evidence to support the notion that THAT pregnancy would have
resulted in a live birth.
If you're fucked in the head, see a shrink
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22 Nov 2003 12:07:26 AM |
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Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote:
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age of 55?
None.
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give birth to a
child since.
And?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in message news:<3fbe0e81$0$1491$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age of 55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give birth to a
child since.
Here is some information I found, from two different sites. Both
sites have a lot of sources and information. This will probably take
you some time to read and review. I hope it helps.
Website # 1
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http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V9/n1/teens_vs_older.html
Detrimental Effects of Adolescent Abortion
Amy R. Sobie and David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
About 20 percent of all abortions taking place in the U.S. today are
performed on teens.(1) Teenage abortion has been linked to a number of
physical and psychological problems, including drug and alcohol
abuse,(2) suicide attempts and suicidal ideation,(3) and other
self-destructive behaviors.
Compared to women who abort at an older age, women who abort as teens
are significantly more likely to report more severe emotional injuries
related to their abortions.(4) This finding is supported by the fact
that women who aborted as teens participate in disproportionately
large numbers in post-abortion counseling programs.(5) In the WEBA
study of post-abortive women, for example, more than 40 percent of the
women had been teenagers at the time of their abortions.(6)
The Psychological Risks
Compared to women who have abortions in adulthood, teens who abort:
Are two to four times more likely to commit suicide.(7)
Are more likely to develop psychological problems.(8)
Are more likely to have troubled relationships.(9)
Are generally in need of more counseling and guidance regarding
abortion.(10)
Are nearly three times more likely to be admitted to mental health
hospitals than women in general.(11)
Studies have shown that the major factors in pregnancy decision making
among teens are the attitude of the teen's parents, the baby's father,
and her peers; the personality of the teen herself; and the cultural
and public policy attitudes toward abortion by which she is
surrounded.(12) Compared to older women, teens are more likely to
abort because of pressure from their parents or sexual partners,(13)
putting them at higher risk for adverse psychological effects after
abortion.
Teens are also more likely to report having wanted to keep the baby,
higher levels of feeling misinformed in pre-abortion counseling, less
satisfaction with abortion services and greater post-abortion
stress.(14) They consider the abortion procedure itself to be
stressful and associated with feelings of guilt, depression and a
sense of isolation.(15) Researchers have also found that reports of
more severe pain during abortion among younger women are linked to
greater levels of anxiety and fear prior to the abortion.(16)
Younger women have a more difficult time adjusting to their abortions.
One study found that teenage aborters were more likely to report
severe nightmares following abortion and to score higher on scales
measuring antisocial traits, paranoia, drug abuse and psychotic
delusions than older aborters. Teens were also more likely to use
immature coping strategies such as projection of their problems onto
others, denial or "acting out" than older women--strategies
researchers speculate might become permanent.(17)
Replacement Pregnancies
Another study found that less than one fourth of teens were able to
achieve a healthy psychological adaptive process after their
abortions, and many continued to reenact their trauma through a cycle
of repeat pregnancies and abortions.(18) One study found that on
average, 59 percent of teens who had experienced a pregnancy
loss--generally due to induced abortion--become pregnant again within
15 months.(19) In another study, 18 percent of teenage abortion
patients had become pregnant again within two years.(20)
Repeat pregnancies are a symptom of young women "acting out"
unresolved abortion issues and the desire to "replace" the lost
pregnancy with another child. Unfortunately, "replacement babies" are
often aborted because the woman faces the same pressures as she did
the first time, and sometimes even more. For example, a New York City
study found that teens who had one previous abortion were four times
more likely to abort their current pregnancy than girls experiencing
their first pregnancy.(21) Another study of teen abortion in Los
Angeles found that 38 percent of the teens had undergone an earlier
abortion and 18 percent had undergone two abortions in the same
year.(22)
Sometimes a teen who has been especially traumatized will choose
abortion as a form of self-punishment or as an unconscious attempt to
resolve her trauma by continually repeating it. In other cases, she
may be hoping to continue her pregnancy but will feel pressured by her
parents or partner to submit to an abortion as "what is best for
everyone." In one heart-wrenching example, a teenage girl reported
that she was forced by her mother to abort four times before she was
finally able to insist on keeping her fifth baby.(23)
The Physical Risks
Teenage abortion patients are up to twice as likely to experience
cervical lacerations during abortion compared to older women.(24) This
increased risk is thought to be due to the fact that teens have
smaller cervixes which are more difficult to dilate or grasp with
instruments.
Teens are also at higher risk for post-abortion infections such as
pelvic inflammatory disease (PID) and endometritis (inflamation of the
uterus), which may be caused either by the spread of an unrecognized
sexually transmitted disease into the uterus during the abortion, or
by micro-organisms on the surgical instruments which are inserted into
the uterus.(25) Researchers believe that teens may be more susceptible
to infections because their bodies are not yet fully developed and do
not produce pathogens that are found in the cervical mucus of older
women and which can protect them from infection.(26)
Other studies have shown that young women who have had PID previously
or who have not had a previous full-term birth are more vulnerable to
post-abortion infections.(27) In addition, because teens are less
likely than adults to take prescribed antibiotics or follow other
regimens for the treatment of medical problems such as infection, they
are at greater risk for infertility, hysterectomy, ectopic pregnancy
and other serious complications.(28)
Because teens are more likely to abort their first pregnancy, they
face other risks as well.(29) For instance, research has shown that an
early full term birth can reduce a woman's risk of breast cancer, but
that induced abortion of a first pregnancy carries a 30 to 50 percent
increased risk of breast cancer.(30) In addition, aborting teens lose
the protective effect of having a full-term pregnancy at a younger
age, which reduces breast cancer risk.
Complications of Late-Term Abortions
The Centers for Disease Control has reported that 30 percent of
teenage abortions occur at or after 13 weeks gestation, compared to
only 12 percent of abortions overall.(31) The high rate of late-term
abortions among teens is a symptom of how they feel trapped into
abortions that they cannot evade.
Women who undergo late-term abortions often delay having the abortion
precisely because (1) they have mixed feelings about the decision or
feel less satisfied with it, (2) they have religious or moral
objections to abortion, or (3) they have a more favorable attitude
toward the unborn baby than women who have abortions in the first
trimester.(32) Greater ambivalence about abortion increases the
likelihood that women will resist advice and pressure from others to
abort for a longer period of time, hoping with each passing week that
more support for keeping the baby will materialize.
In this regard, polls have consistently found that more teens have
pro-life or anti-abortion attitudes than do older women, which may
help to explain the much higher late-term abortion rate among teens.
No doubt another factor is that teens are more likely to conceal their
pregnancies, either out of shame or in an effort to avoid being
pressured into an unwanted abortion. After all, many teens know well
in advance that their parents or boyfriends will support only one
choice: abortion. But teens who conceal their pregnancies are never
truly safe from the pressure to abort. Since abortion is legal during
all nine months of pregnancy, it's never too late for parents or
others to begin pressuring a girl into an abortion once her pregnancy
is discovered or revealed.
Late-term abortions, and all of the factors related to
ambivalence--such as delay, concealment of the pregnancy, and feeling
pressured to abort--are significantly associated with more severe
emotional and psychological problems after abortion.(33) Teens who
abort in the second and third trimester also face a greater risk of
physical complications, including higher rates of endometritis,(34)
intrauterine adhesions, PID, cervical incompetence, subsequent
miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies, rupture of the uterus and
death.(35) In addition, dilation and extraction abortions, frequently
used in the second trimester, are associated with low birth weight in
later pregnancies,(36) which can cause various health and
developmental problems for the baby, including cerebral palsy.(37)
Conclusion
The pro-abortion Alan Guttmacher Institute estimates that
approximately 40 percent of teenage abortions take place without
parental involvement.(38) As a result, these teens' parents have no
advance warning about the physical or emotional complications their
children may experience. When the abortion causes subsequent emotional
reactions that are not understood--such as depression, anger, and
substance abuse--parents may react with anger and confusion,
exacerbating the problems of the teen and her family.
The cost of such concealment can be dreadfully high. Both 16-year-old
Erica Richardson of Maryland and 13-year-old Dawn Ravanell of New York
died from complications after they had abortions without telling their
parents.(39) Sandra Kaiser, a 14-year-old St. Louis girl with a
history of psychiatric problems, committed suicide three weeks after
her half-sister took her for an abortion without telling Sandra's
mother.(40)
Sadly, abortion advocates have continued to fight laws that could help
prevent tragedies like these. Most recently, the pro-abortion lobby
has vigorously opposed attempts in Congress to pass legislation that
would make it a federal offense for anyone to evade a state's parental
notice laws by taking a teen for an abortion in another state that
does not have such laws. This legislation wouldn't prevent all teen
abortions, but at least it would protect the rights of parents and
their daughters.
As shown in this brief literature review, numerous studies have found
that, compared to older women, younger women--especially
adolescents--are at significantly higher risk of physical and
psychological complications following abortion. But this information
is not generally known by the public, and certainly not by the parents
who pressure their daughters into abortions.
In many of these cases, the parents truly believe they are helping to
protect their daughter's future. They have no idea that they are
subjecting her to a physical and psychological trauma that will
forever scar her life. Nor will the abortion clinics, who have a
vested interest in keeping the dangers of abortion secret, explain the
full range of risks to teenagers, their parents, or--in the case of
judicial bypass--the judges who stand in the place of the parents.
Abortion is fraught with dangers and risks, especially for younger
women who are at greater risk of suffering both physical and
psychological complications. The deceptive business practices of
abortion clinics--which conceal these risks from these teenaged girls,
their parents, and even judges--are nothing less than criminal.
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Originally printed in The Post-Abortion Review, Vol. 9(1), Jan.-March
2001. Copyright 2001, Elliot Institute.
Notes:
1. L.M. Koonin et. al., "Abortion Surveillance United States, 1996,
Centers for Disease Control," MMWR, 48(SS4):1, July 30, 1999.
2. H. Amaro, et al., "Drug use among adolescent mothers: profile of
risk," Pediatrics, 84:144-150, 1989.
3. B. Garfinkel, et al., "Stress, Depression and Suicide: A Study of
Adolescents in Minnesota," Responding to High Risk Youth (University
of Minnesota: Minnesota Extension Service, 1986)
4. W. Franz and D. Reardon, "Differential Impact of Abortion on
Adolescents and Adults," Adolescence, 27(105):172, 1992.
5. T. Strahan, "Differential Adverse Impact of Abortion on Teenagers
Who Undergo Induced Abortion," Assoc. for Interdisciplinary Research
Bulletin, 15(1):3, March/April 2000.
6. D. Reardon, "Psychological Reactions Reported After Abortion," The
Post-Abortion Review, 2(3):4-8, Fall 1994.
7. M. Gissler, et. al., "Suicides after pregnancy in Finland: 1987-94:
register linkage study," British Medical Journal, 313:1431-1434, 1996;
and N. Campbell, et al., "Abortion in Adolescence," Adolescence,
23:813-823, 1988.
8. W. Franz and D. Reardon, op. cit..
9. J. Marecek, "Consequences of Adolescent Childbearing and Abortion,"
in G. Melton (ed.), Adolescent Abortion: Psychological & Legal Issues
(Lincoln, NE: University of Nebraska Press 1986) 96-115.
10. J. Gold, "Adolescents and Abortion," in N. Stotland (ed.),
Psychiatric Aspects of Abortion (Washington, DC: American Psychiatric
Press, 1989) 187-195.
11. R. Somers, "Risk of Admission to Psychiatric Institutions Among
Danish Women who Experienced Induced Abortion: An Analysis Based on
National Report Linkage," (Ph.D. Dissertation, Los Angeles: University
of California, 1979. Dissertation Abstracts International, Public
Health 2621-B, Order No. 7926066)
12. T. Strahan, "Factors in Pregnancy Decision Making by Teenagers,"
Assoc. for Interdisciplinary Research Newsletter, 7(4):1, Jan./Feb.
1995.
13. P. Barglow and S. Weinstein, "Therapeutic Abortion Dur
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Adolescence: Psychiatric Observations," J. of Youth and Adolescence,
2(4):33,1973.
14. W. Franz and D. Reardon, op. cit.
15. F. Biro, et al., "Acute and Long-Term Consequences of Adolescents
Who Choose Abortions," Pediatric Annals, 15(10):667-672, 1986.
16. E. Belanger, et. al., "Pain of First Trimester Abortion: A Study
of Psychosocial and Medical Predictors," Pain, 36:339; and G.M. Smith,
et. al., "Pain of first-trimester abortion: Its quantification and
relationships with other variables," American Journal Obstetrics &
Gynecology, 133:489, 1979.
17. N. Campbell, op. cit.
18. Horowitz, "Adolescent Mourning Reactions to Infant and Fetal
Loss," Soc. Casework, 59:551, 558-559, 1978.
19. S.R. Wheeler, "Adolescent Pregnancy Loss," in J.R. Woods, Jr. and
J.L. Woods (eds.), Loss During Pregnancy or the Newborn Period
(Publisher, 1997).
20. H. Cvejic et. al., "Follow-up of 50 adolescent girls 2 years after
abortion," Canadian Medical Assoc. Journal, 116:44, 1997.
21. T. Joyce, "The Social and Economic Correlates of Pregnancy
Resolution Among Adolescents in New York by Race and Ethnicity: A
Mulitvariate Analysis," American J. of Public Health, 78(6):626, 1988.
22. R. Bobrowsky, "Incidence of Repeat Abortion, Second Trimester
Abortion, Contraceptive Use and Illness Within a Teenage Population,"
Unpublished Doctoral Thesis, 1996.
23. C. Nykiel, "Nobody Told Me I Could Cry," The Post-Abortion Review,
7(1):1-2, Jan-March 1999.
24. R.T. Burkman, et. al., "Morbidity Risk Among Young Adolescents
Undergoing Elective Abortion," Contraception, 30(2):99, 1984; and K.F.
Schulz, et. al., "Measures to Prevent Cervical Injury During Suction
Curettage Abortion," The Lancet, 1182-1184, May 28, 1993 .
25. R.T. Burkman, et. al., "Culture and treatment results in
endometritis following elective abortion," American J. Obstet. &
Gynecol., 128:556, 1997; and D. Avonts and P. Piot, "Genital
infections in women undergoing induced abortion," European J. Obstet.
& Gynecol. & Reproductive Biology, 20:53, 1985.
26. W. Cates, Jr., "Teenagers and Sexual Risk-Taking: The Best of
Times and the Worst of Times," Journal of Adolescent Health, 12:84,
1991.
27. J.L. Sorenson and I. Thronov, "A double blind randomized study of
the effect of erythromycin in preventing pelvic inflammatory disease
after first trimester abortion," British J. Obstet. & Gynecol.,
99:434, 1992.
28. "Teenage Pregnancy: Overall Trends and State-by-State
Information," Report by the Alan Guttmacher Institute.
29. K.D. Kochanck, "Induced Terminations of Pregnancy, Reporting
States 1988," Monthly Vital Statistics Report, 39(12): Suppl. 1-32,
April 30, 1991.
30. J. Brind, et. al., "Induced abortion as an independent risk factor
for breast cancer: a comprehensive review and analysis," J.
Epidemiology & Community Health, 50:481, 1996.
31. Strahan, "Differential Adverse Impact on Teenagers Who Undergo
Induced Abortion," op. cit..
32. T. Strahan, "Psycho-Social Aspects of Late-Term Abortions," Assoc.
For Interdisciplinary Research Bulletin, 14(4):1, 2000.
33. D. Reardon, Making Abortion Rare (Springfield, IL: Acorn Books,
1996) 162.
34. R. T. Burkman, et. al, "Culture and treatment results in
endometritis following elective abortion," op cit..
35. S. Lurie and Z. Shoham, "Induced Midtrimester Abortion and Future
Fertility: Where Are We Today?" International J. of Fertility,
40(6):311, 1995.
36. H.K. Atrash and C.J. Hogue, "The effect of pregnancy termination
on future reproduction," Baillieres Clinic Obstet. & Gynecol.,
4(2):391, 1990.
37. B. Rooney, "Is Cerebral Palsy Ever a Choice?" The Post-Abortion
Review, 8(4):4-5, Oct.-Dec. 2000.
38. "Teenage Pregnancy: Overall Trends and State-by-State
Information," op. cit.
39. K. Sherlock, Victims of Choice (Akron: Brennyman Books, 1996)
31-32, 40-41.
40. R. Kerrison, "Horror Tale of Abortion," New York Post, Jan. 7,
1991.
Website # 2
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http://www.prochoiceforum.org.uk/psy_research3.asp
The Psychological Effects of Abortion for Adolescents
Editor's Note: The following studies examine the psychological
aftermath of abortion among adolescent and adult women. Well-designed
research supports the proposition that the psychological outcomes of
abortion for adolescents differ little from those for adults. Studies
suggesting alternative findings generally have serious methodological
limitations.
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Citation: Pope, L. M., Adler, N. E., & Schann, J. M. (2001).
Postabortion psychological adjustment: Are minors at increased risk?
Journal of Adolescent Health, 29, 2-11.
Introduction: Some state laws in the U.S. mandate parental consent or
notification before an adolescent can obtain a legal abortion. An
assumption supporting such legislation is that adolescents are more
likely to experience negative psychological outcomes. Few prior
studies have investigated the psychological effects of abortion on
adolescents. This study examines the psychological outcomes of
abortion, the predictors of negative outcomes, and the relative risk
of these outcomes for adolescents under age 18 as compared to women
aged 18-21.
Methods: A multiethnic sample of women aged 14-21 seeking first
trimester abortions was recruited from 4 clinics in San Francisco,
California. Each woman participated in 2 face-to-face interviews: 1-2
days preabortion and 4 weeks post abortion. Of the 96 participants
recruited, 66% were re-interviewed at 4 weeks. The preabortion
questionnaire assessed demographic characteristics, depression (Beck
Depression Inventory), emotions surrounding the abortion, feelings
about pregnancy and decision making difficulty. The postabortion
questionnaire included measures of anxiety (Speilberger State-Trait
Anxiety Inventory), self-esteem (Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale), stress
(Impact of Events Scale) and positive states of mind. Chi square,
t-test and correlation were used to analyze data.
Results: The only difference between the two age groups was that those
aged 14-17 reported less comfort with their decision. The total sample
showed significant decreases in depression and internally-based
negative emotions (such as regret) and increases in positive emotions
at 4 week follow-up. The psychological characteristics of this sample
of adolescents 4 weeks postabortion appeared similar to those of
comparison samples of adolescents. Risk factors for poor postabortion
functioning were preabortion adjustment and the amount of partner
pressure to have an abortion. The authors conclude that the study does
not support the conclusion that adolescents are at increased risk of
negative psychological consequences of abortion.
Evaluation: This study represents a needed contribution to the limited
literature on the mental health effects of abortion for adolescent
women. However, I would like to have seen a longer follow-up period
and comparison groups of similarly aged adolescents not seeking
abortion. This paper has strong policy and service delivery
implications. According to these findings, legislation that limits
adolescents' access to abortion is unwarranted. Practical applications
include educating adolescent women who seek abortion about the risk of
not freely choosing this alternative; providing back-up mental health
services for women with preabortion adjustment difficulties; and
educating abortion counselors/providers to better screen for such risk
factors
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Citation: Franz, W., & Reardon, D. (1992). Differential impact of
abortion on adolescents and adults. Adolescence, 105, 27,161-172.
Introduction: Few studies have systematically compared psychological
outcomes for adolescents and adult women. This study's objectives were
to examine components of postabortion distress and compare negative
long-term psychological reactions to abortion of adolescents and
adults.
Methods: A survey was completed by 252 women aged 16 to 64 (modal age,
27) in 42 states, recruited through support groups for women who have
had negative reactions to abortion. Survey questions using Likert
scales measured satisfaction with the abortion decision, satisfaction
with services, perceived severity of psychological distress related to
the abortion, the degree to which the participants felt rushed or
pressured to have the abortion and other related abortion experiences.
Demographic characteristics also were assessed. Women who had an
abortion at age 19 or younger and women aged 20 and older at time of
abortion were compared using t-test and chi-square statistics.
Results: Those who had experienced an abortion as adolescents were
less satisfied with the abortion services received and more likely to
believe that they wanted to give birth but circumstances forced them
to have an abortion. This group also reported greater abortion-related
psychological distress, greater feelings of being misinformed at the
time about the abortion experience and abortions later in gestation.
Age at abortion was positively associated with current satisfaction
with the abortion decision. Feeling dissatisfied, pressured and
uninformed at time of abortion were associated with reports of a
"worsened self-image," postabortion and a more severe negative
emotional reaction.
Evaluation: It frequently is assumed that adolescents suffer more
severe psychological consequences of abortion than adult women
presumably because of their more poorly developed decision making
ability and greater egocentrism. Although this paper appears to
support such a view, its serious methodological flaws, sloppy
reporting of findings, and inaccurate conclusions negate much of its
value. For instance:
The authors conclude, "adolescents were significantly more likely to
be dissatisfied with the choice of abortion than were older subjects."
Yet, the retrospective design did not sample adolescents but rather
explored current perceptions of reactions to abortion and past
abortion experiences among women self-identified as having
postabortion problems.
The researchers chose to separately examine 24 individual items of
unknown origin and validity rather than using well-validated scales.
The research did not adjust for the large number of significance tests
run.
There are many feasible explanations other than developmental level
for why women in this particular sample who had abortions while still
in their teens reported more severe postabortion psychological
distress than women who were older at time of abortion. Most likely
the groups differed in preabortion psychological functioning and
ambivalence about the abortion, factors shown to be predictive of
postabortion psychological functioning.
It is difficult to draw any practical recommendations from this study.
However, the authors' call for better counseling certainly is valid.
Pregnant adolescents and adults as well, need to be fully informed
about their options and have adequate time to process their decisions.
Equally important are pregnancy prevention programs for teenagers and
education for adolescents and their parents about all options open to
the pregnant adolescent and their potential effects.
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Citation: Zabin, L.S., Hirsch, M.B., & Emerson, M.P. (1989). When
urban adolescents choose abortion: Effects on education, psychological
status and subsequent pregnancy, Family Planning Perspectives, 26 (6),
248-255.
Introduction: Research up until the time of this study had examined
adolescent childbearing, but paid little attention to adolescents who
choose abortion. The current study attempted to address methodological
problems of past research, such as the lack of appropriate controls
and attention to confounds. The study examined educational, economic,
psychological, and reproductive behavior differences between
adolescents who choose abortion and those who choose to carry their
pregnancies to term.
Methods: Data were collected in 1985 and 1986 on 360 low-income
African-American women 17 years old or younger who presented for
pregnancy tests in a medical setting. Baseline data were collected
before each woman knew the result of her pregnancy test. Women were
then placed into one of three groups: those whose tests were positive
and intended to have an abortion, those who intended to carry the
pregnancy to term, and those whose tests came back negative.
Participants were followed-up at six-month intervals for two years.
Information on household structure, education, jobs and economic
well-being, health, growth, sexual and contraceptive behavior,
conception and fertility, self-esteem, locus of control, and anxiety
symptoms was gathered. Emphasis in data analysis was on change in
characteristics from baseline to follow-up.
Results: At baseline, there were few differences between the three
groups. After two years, women in the abortion group were more likely
to have graduated from high school or stayed in school at the
appropriate grade level, and more likely to be better off economically
than women in either of the two other groups. Levels of anxiety and
other psychological outcomes were not significantly different between
the three groups at follow-up. Additionally, women who had had
abortions were less likely to experience a subsequent pregnancy during
the two-year period.
Evaluation: This study provided an important addition to this
literature in that it included two different control groups and
regular follow-up measures over a significant period of time. Another
strength is that it utilized baseline measures to assess not only
initial differences between these groups-before even having a
pregnancy confirmed-but also change over time. A definite weakness of
the study is the evaluation of psychological symptoms, which only
included measures of anxiety, self-esteem, and locus of control.
Depression would have been an important variable to consider here as
well. Substance use, often related to psychological distress, was also
not included. Overall, this study did provide some useful information
about a population that is at high-risk for unintended pregnancy.
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22 Nov 2003 03:15:11 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in message news:<3fbe0e81$0$1491$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age of 55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give birth to a
child since.
Here is some information I found, from two different sites.
Both anti-abortion propaganda web sites.
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http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V9/n1/teens_vs_older.html
Detrimental Effects of Adolescent Abortion
Amy R. Sobie and David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
Reardon is well known for his anti-abortion bias. An example of his
dishonesty...
[...]
Compared to women who have abortions in adulthood, teens who abort:
Are two to four times more likely to commit suicide.(7)
Are more likely to develop psychological problems.(8)
Are more likely to have troubled relationships.(9)
Are generally in need of more counseling and guidance regarding
abortion.(10)
Are nearly three times more likely to be admitted to mental health
hospitals than women in general.(11)
And are about three times as likely to be murdered.
Now doubtless these pro-llie fanmatics can explain how abortion causes
women to be murdered, and I sure would like to hear the explanation,
but they're pretty much all sleazy cowards so I'm not going to wait
for it.
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Originally printed in The Post-Abortion Review, Vol. 9(1), Jan.-March
2001. Copyright 2001, Elliot Institute.
And that pretty much says it all.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Psychological effects of abortion |
22 Nov 2003 05:15:55 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:bpojkv$q1n$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
news:<3fbe0e81$0$1491$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age of
55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give birth to
a
child since.
Here is some information I found, from two different sites.
Both anti-abortion propaganda web sites.
Once again, Ray can't refute or discuss the INFORMATION, and goes to
attacking the source instead.
===================================================================
http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V9/n1/teens_vs_older.html
Detrimental Effects of Adolescent Abortion
Amy R. Sobie and David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
Reardon is well known for his anti-abortion bias. An example of his
dishonesty...
Refute it then
[...]
Compared to women who have abortions in adulthood, teens who abort:
Are two to four times more likely to commit suicide.(7)
Are more likely to develop psychological problems.(8)
Are more likely to have troubled relationships.(9)
Are generally in need of more counseling and guidance regarding
abortion.(10)
Are nearly three times more likely to be admitted to mental health
hospitals than women in general.(11)
And are about three times as likely to be murdered.
Now doubtless these pro-llie fanmatics can explain how abortion causes
women to be murdered, and I sure would like to hear the explanation,
but they're pretty much all sleazy cowards so I'm not going to wait
for it.
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Originally printed in The Post-Abortion Review, Vol. 9(1), Jan.-March
2001. Copyright 2001, Elliot Institute.
And that pretty much says it all.
You are right, you can't refute it
Your reply said it all for any pro-abort
.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Fischer silenced |
24 Nov 2003 12:34:38 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<CpWdnZ5hu6e5cyKiRVn-ig@comcast.com>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:bpojkv$q1n$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
news:<3fbe0e81$0$1491$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age of
55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give birth to
a
child since.
Here is some information I found, from two different sites.
Both anti-abortion propaganda web sites.
Once again, Ray can't refute or discuss the INFORMATION, and goes to
attacking the source instead.
===================================================================
http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V9/n1/teens_vs_older.html
Detrimental Effects of Adolescent Abortion
Amy R. Sobie and David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
Reardon is well known for his anti-abortion bias. An example of his
dishonesty...
Refute it then
[...]
Compared to women who have abortions in adulthood, teens who abort:
Are two to four times more likely to commit suicide.(7)
Are more likely to develop psychological problems.(8)
Are more likely to have troubled relationships.(9)
Are generally in need of more counseling and guidance regarding
abortion.(10)
Are nearly three times more likely to be admitted to mental health
hospitals than women in general.(11)
And are about three times as likely to be murdered.
Now doubtless these pro-llie fanmatics can explain how abortion causes
women to be murdered, and I sure would like to hear the explanation,
but they're pretty much all sleazy cowards so I'm not going to wait
for it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Originally printed in The Post-Abortion Review, Vol. 9(1), Jan.-March
2001. Copyright 2001, Elliot Institute.
And that pretty much says it all.
You are right, you can't refute it
Your reply said it all for any pro-abort
It has been two days since I made the request to Fischer to refute the
information in this post. He was only able to attack the "source" and
not the "information", and challenged to refute it as anyone can
clearly see above.
He has been silenced, back against the wall.
Once again, Fischer shows he is incapable of arguing the points.
To attack the source only is weak.
Come on Fischer, refute the information. Prove it to be wrong.
Last chance
Note: Fischer will resort to name calling
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| User: "Thin Man" |
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| Title: Re: Fischer silenced |
24 Nov 2003 10:02:44 AM |
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(osprey) wrote in message news:<8912d58d.0311232234.5d795497@posting.google.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<CpWdnZ5hu6e5cyKiRVn-ig@comcast.com>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:bpojkv$q1n$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey < > wrote:
Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
news:<3fbe0e81$0$1491$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age of
55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give birth to
a
child since.
Here is some information I found, from two different sites.
Both anti-abortion propaganda web sites.
Once again, Ray can't refute or discuss the INFORMATION, and goes to
attacking the source instead.
===================================================================
http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V9/n1/teens_vs_older.html
Detrimental Effects of Adolescent Abortion
Amy R. Sobie and David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
Reardon is well known for his anti-abortion bias. An example of his
dishonesty...
Refute it then
[...]
Compared to women who have abortions in adulthood, teens who abort:
Are two to four times more likely to commit suicide.(7)
Are more likely to develop psychological problems.(8)
Are more likely to have troubled relationships.(9)
Are generally in need of more counseling and guidance regarding
abortion.(10)
Are nearly three times more likely to be admitted to mental health
hospitals than women in general.(11)
The fallacy here is that teens are not grown up yet, and so are more
likely to experience these problems than adults are. This applies even
if there has been no abortion. It also applies to males, who never
have abortions.
And are about three times as likely to be murdered.
Now doubtless these pro-llie fanmatics can explain how abortion causes
women to be murdered, and I sure would like to hear the explanation,
but they're pretty much all sleazy cowards so I'm not going to wait
for it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Originally printed in The Post-Abortion Review, Vol. 9(1), Jan.-March
2001. Copyright 2001, Elliot Institute.
Bogus literature created of bias, by bias, for bias.
And that pretty much says it all.
You are right, you can't refute it
I think he did
Your reply said it all for any pro-abort
It has been two days since I made the request to Fischer to refute the
information in this post. He was only able to attack the "source" and
not the "information", and challenged to refute it as anyone can
clearly see above.
He has been silenced, back against the wall.
Once again, Fischer shows he is incapable of arguing the points.
To attack the source only is weak.
Come on Fischer, refute the information. Prove it to be wrong.
Last chance
Note: Fischer will resort to name calling
Trying to reason with you, Osprey, is like trying to reason with a
fireplug. It doesn't matter what gets said, you keep on spewing. What
it comes down to, sir, is that you have skin. Inside it you are the
boss. Outside it you are not. Everyone else has skin too, and the same
deal. I am certian that if you have a conscience then you already know
this, because it is the foundation of conscience. In failing to
respect it you abandon all claim to the respect of others. What you
are engauged in is not debate, for you do not respond to others
points, and therefor cannot be taught. Moreover, the points that you
lay out are weak, if they have any substance whatsoever. Eventually,
the people who bother themselves to talk to you grow tired of your
antics and busy themselves with something productive. This leaves you
the last man talking. It doesn't mean that you are right. It means
that you are alone.
Oh yeah, I forgot to call you a name. You're a *****.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Fischer silenced |
24 Nov 2003 01:54:12 PM |
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"Thin Man" <kae1212@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5b78fa4.0311240802.6e295aad@posting.google.com...
noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote in message
news:<8912d58d.0311232234.5d795497@posting.google.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<CpWdnZ5hu6e5cyKiRVn-ig@comcast.com>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:bpojkv$q1n$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
news:<3fbe0e81$0$1491$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age
of
55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give
birth to
a
child since.
Here is some information I found, from two different sites.
Both anti-abortion propaganda web sites.
Once again, Ray can't refute or discuss the INFORMATION, and goes to
attacking the source instead.
===================================================================
http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V9/n1/teens_vs_older.html
Detrimental Effects of Adolescent Abortion
Amy R. Sobie and David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
Reardon is well known for his anti-abortion bias. An example of his
dishonesty...
Refute it then
[...]
Compared to women who have abortions in adulthood, teens who abort:
Are two to four times more likely to commit suicide.(7)
Are more likely to develop psychological problems.(8)
Are more likely to have troubled relationships.(9)
Are generally in need of more counseling and guidance regarding
abortion.(10)
Are nearly three times more likely to be admitted to mental health
hospitals than women in general.(11)
The fallacy here is that teens are not grown up yet, and so are more
likely to experience these problems than adults are. This applies even
if there has been no abortion. It also applies to males, who never
have abortions.
Can you give medical sources to back that up?
And are about three times as likely to be murdered.
Now doubtless these pro-llie fanmatics can explain how abortion
causes
women to be murdered, and I sure would like to hear the explanation,
but they're pretty much all sleazy cowards so I'm not going to wait
for it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Originally printed in The Post-Abortion Review, Vol. 9(1),
Jan.-March
2001. Copyright 2001, Elliot Institute.
Bogus literature created of bias, by bias, for bias.
attacking the source and not attacking the information.
Not good.
And that pretty much says it all.
You are right, you can't refute it
I think he did
I think not. Attacking the source, instead of the information is weak and
not refuting. Such as you did.
Your reply said it all for any pro-abort
It has been two days since I made the request to Fischer to refute the
information in this post. He was only able to attack the "source" and
not the "information", and challenged to refute it as anyone can
clearly see above.
He has been silenced, back against the wall.
Once again, Fischer shows he is incapable of arguing the points.
To attack the source only is weak.
Come on Fischer, refute the information. Prove it to be wrong.
Last chance
Note: Fischer will resort to name calling
Trying to reason with you, Osprey, is like trying to reason with a
fireplug. It doesn't matter what gets said, you keep on spewing. What
it comes down to, sir, is that you have skin. Inside it you are the
boss. Outside it you are not. Everyone else has skin too, and the same
deal. I am certian that if you have a conscience then you already know
this, because it is the foundation of conscience. In failing to
respect it you abandon all claim to the respect of others. What you
are engauged in is not debate, for you do not respond to others
points, and therefor cannot be taught. Moreover, the points that you
lay out are weak, if they have any substance whatsoever. Eventually,
the people who bother themselves to talk to you grow tired of your
antics and busy themselves with something productive. This leaves you
the last man talking. It doesn't mean that you are right. It means
that you are alone.
Oh yeah, I forgot to call you a name. You're a *****.
Next time, try actually refuting the information.
.
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| User: "Thin Man" |
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| Title: Re: Fischer silenced |
24 Nov 2003 08:49:56 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<idSdnaRFjqF9_F-iRVn-uA@comcast.com>...
"Thin Man" <kae1212@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5b78fa4.0311240802.6e295aad@posting.google.com...
noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote in message
news:<8912d58d.0311232234.5d795497@posting.google.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<CpWdnZ5hu6e5cyKiRVn-ig@comcast.com>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:bpojkv$q1n$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
news:<3fbe0e81$0$1491$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the age
of
55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give
birth to
a
child since.
Here is some information I found, from two different sites.
Both anti-abortion propaganda web sites.
Once again, Ray can't refute or discuss the INFORMATION, and goes to
attacking the source instead.
===================================================================
http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V9/n1/teens_vs_older.html
Detrimental Effects of Adolescent Abortion
Amy R. Sobie and David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
Reardon is well known for his anti-abortion bias. An example of his
dishonesty...
Refute it then
[...]
Compared to women who have abortions in adulthood, teens who abort:
Are two to four times more likely to commit suicide.(7)
Are more likely to develop psychological problems.(8)
Are more likely to have troubled relationships.(9)
Are generally in need of more counseling and guidance regarding
abortion.(10)
Are nearly three times more likely to be admitted to mental health
hospitals than women in general.(11)
The fallacy here is that teens are not grown up yet, and so are more
likely to experience these problems than adults are. This applies even
if there has been no abortion. It also applies to males, who never
have abortions.
Can you give medical sources to back that up?
And are about three times as likely to be murdered.
Now doubtless these pro-llie fanmatics can explain how abortion
causes
women to be murdered, and I sure would like to hear the explanation,
but they're pretty much all sleazy cowards so I'm not going to wait
for it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Originally printed in The Post-Abortion Review, Vol. 9(1),
Jan.-March
2001. Copyright 2001, Elliot Institute.
Bogus literature created of bias, by bias, for bias.
attacking the source and not attacking the information.
Not good.
And that pretty much says it all.
You are right, you can't refute it
I think he did
I think not. Attacking the source, instead of the information is weak and
not refuting. Such as you did.
Your reply said it all for any pro-abort
It has been two days since I made the request to Fischer to refute the
information in this post. He was only able to attack the "source" and
not the "information", and challenged to refute it as anyone can
clearly see above.
He has been silenced, back against the wall.
Once again, Fischer shows he is incapable of arguing the points.
To attack the source only is weak.
Come on Fischer, refute the information. Prove it to be wrong.
Last chance
Note: Fischer will resort to name calling
Trying to reason with you, Osprey, is like trying to reason with a
fireplug. It doesn't matter what gets said, you keep on spewing. What
it comes down to, sir, is that you have skin. Inside it you are the
boss. Outside it you are not. Everyone else has skin too, and the same
deal. I am certian that if you have a conscience then you already know
this, because it is the foundation of conscience. In failing to
respect it you abandon all claim to the respect of others. What you
are engauged in is not debate, for you do not respond to others
points, and therefor cannot be taught. Moreover, the points that you
lay out are weak, if they have any substance whatsoever. Eventually,
the people who bother themselves to talk to you grow tired of your
antics and busy themselves with something productive. This leaves you
the last man talking. It doesn't mean that you are right. It means
that you are alone.
Oh yeah, I forgot to call you a name. You're a *****.
Next time, try actually refuting the information.
Ray Already did.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Fischer silenced |
24 Nov 2003 09:19:13 PM |
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"Thin Man" <kae1212@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5b78fa4.0311241849.3546755d@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<idSdnaRFjqF9_F-iRVn-uA@comcast.com>...
"Thin Man" <kae1212@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5b78fa4.0311240802.6e295aad@posting.google.com...
noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote in message
news:<8912d58d.0311232234.5d795497@posting.google.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:bpojkv$q1n$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in
message
news:<3fbe0e81$0$1491$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the
age
of
55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give
birth to
a
child since.
Here is some information I found, from two different sites.
Both anti-abortion propaganda web sites.
Once again, Ray can't refute or discuss the INFORMATION, and goes
to
attacking the source instead.
===================================================================
http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V9/n1/teens_vs_older.html
Detrimental Effects of Adolescent Abortion
Amy R. Sobie and David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
Reardon is well known for his anti-abortion bias. An example of
his
dishonesty...
Refute it then
[...]
Compared to women who have abortions in adulthood, teens who
abort:
Are two to four times more likely to commit suicide.(7)
Are more likely to develop psychological problems.(8)
Are more likely to have troubled relationships.(9)
Are generally in need of more counseling and guidance regarding
abortion.(10)
Are nearly three times more likely to be admitted to mental
health
hospitals than women in general.(11)
The fallacy here is that teens are not grown up yet, and so are more
likely to experience these problems than adults are. This applies even
if there has been no abortion. It also applies to males, who never
have abortions.
Can you give medical sources to back that up?
No sources
And are about three times as likely to be murdered.
Now doubtless these pro-llie fanmatics can explain how abortion
causes
women to be murdered, and I sure would like to hear the
explanation,
but they're pretty much all sleazy cowards so I'm not going to
wait
for it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-----
Originally printed in The Post-Abortion Review, Vol. 9(1),
Jan.-March
2001. Copyright 2001, Elliot Institute.
Bogus literature created of bias, by bias, for bias.
attacking the source and not attacking the information.
Not good.
And that pretty much says it all.
You are right, you can't refute it
I think he did
I think not. Attacking the source, instead of the information is weak
and
not refuting. Such as you did.
Your reply said it all for any pro-abort
It has been two days since I made the request to Fischer to refute
the
information in this post. He was only able to attack the "source"
and
not the "information", and challenged to refute it as anyone can
clearly see above.
He has been silenced, back against the wall.
Once again, Fischer shows he is incapable of arguing the points.
To attack the source only is weak.
Come on Fischer, refute the information. Prove it to be wrong.
Last chance
Note: Fischer will resort to name calling
Trying to reason with you, Osprey, is like trying to reason with a
fireplug. It doesn't matter what gets said, you keep on spewing. What
it comes down to, sir, is that you have skin. Inside it you are the
boss. Outside it you are not. Everyone else has skin too, and the same
deal. I am certian that if you have a conscience then you already know
this, because it is the foundation of conscience. In failing to
respect it you abandon all claim to the respect of others. What you
are engauged in is not debate, for you do not respond to others
points, and therefor cannot be taught. Moreover, the points that you
lay out are weak, if they have any substance whatsoever. Eventually,
the people who bother themselves to talk to you grow tired of your
antics and busy themselves with something productive. This leaves you
the last man talking. It doesn't mean that you are right. It means
that you are alone.
Oh yeah, I forgot to call you a name. You're a *****.
Next time, try actually refuting the information.
Ray Already did.
No, Ray didn't.
Unless you got the message to prove it.
You didn't either.
Ray done exactly the same thing you did.
Attack the source, but couldn't refute the information.
Sad
Pathetic
weak
Try again if you want.
Oh, and also provide the post where you claim Ray all ready refuted the
"information"
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| User: "Thin Man" |
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| Title: Re: Fischer silenced |
27 Nov 2003 05:11:21 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<ttadnR6Gm9ayV1-iRVn-jw@comcast.com>...
"Thin Man" <kae1212@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<idSdnaRFjqF9_F-iRVn-uA@comcast.com>...
"Thin Man" <kae1212@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:bpojkv$q1n$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in
message
news:<3fbe0e81$0$1491$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at the
age
of
55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not give
birth to
a
child since.
Here is some information I found, from two different sites.
Both anti-abortion propaganda web sites.
Once again, Ray can't refute or discuss the INFORMATION, and goes
to
attacking the source instead.
===================================================================
http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V9/n1/teens_vs_older.html
Detrimental Effects of Adolescent Abortion
Amy R. Sobie and David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
Reardon is well known for his anti-abortion bias. An example of
his
dishonesty...
Refute it then
[...]
Compared to women who have abortions in adulthood, teens who
abort:
Are two to four times more likely to commit suicide.(7)
Are more likely to develop psychological problems.(8)
Are more likely to have troubled relationships.(9)
Are generally in need of more counseling and guidance regarding
abortion.(10)
Are nearly three times more likely to be admitted to mental
health
hospitals than women in general.(11)
The fallacy here is that teens are not grown up yet, and so are more
likely to experience these problems than adults are. This applies even
if there has been no abortion. It also applies to males, who never
have abortions.
Can you give medical sources to back that up?
No sources
And are about three times as likely to be murdered.
Now doubtless these pro-llie fanmatics can explain how abortion
causes
women to be murdered, and I sure would like to hear the
explanation,
but they're pretty much all sleazy cowards so I'm not going to
wait
for it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-----
Originally printed in The Post-Abortion Review, Vol. 9(1),
Jan.-March
2001. Copyright 2001, Elliot Institute.
Bogus literature created of bias, by bias, for bias.
attacking the source and not attacking the information.
Not good.
And that pretty much says it all.
You are right, you can't refute it
I think he did
I think not. Attacking the source, instead of the information is weak
and
not refuting. Such as you did.
Your reply said it all for any pro-abort
It has been two days since I made the request to Fischer to refute
the
information in this post. He was only able to attack the "source"
and
not the "information", and challenged to refute it as anyone can
clearly see above.
He has been silenced, back against the wall.
Once again, Fischer shows he is incapable of arguing the points.
To attack the source only is weak.
Come on Fischer, refute the information. Prove it to be wrong.
Last chance
Note: Fischer will resort to name calling
Trying to reason with you, Osprey, is like trying to reason with a
fireplug. It doesn't matter what gets said, you keep on spewing. What
it comes down to, sir, is that you have skin. Inside it you are the
boss. Outside it you are not. Everyone else has skin too, and the same
deal. I am certian that if you have a conscience then you already know
this, because it is the foundation of conscience. In failing to
respect it you abandon all claim to the respect of others. What you
are engauged in is not debate, for you do not respond to others
points, and therefor cannot be taught. Moreover, the points that you
lay out are weak, if they have any substance whatsoever. Eventually,
the people who bother themselves to talk to you grow tired of your
antics and busy themselves with something productive. This leaves you
the last man talking. It doesn't mean that you are right. It means
that you are alone.
Oh yeah, I forgot to call you a name. You're a *****.
Next time, try actually refuting the information.
Ray Already did.
No, Ray didn't.
Unless you got the message to prove it.
You didn't either.
Ray done exactly the same thing you did.
Attack the source, but couldn't refute the information.
Sad
Pathetic
weak
Try again if you want.
Oh, and also provide the post where you claim Ray all ready refuted the
"information"
Jeez dude. Propaganda is not information. It does not need refutation,
it needs only to be identified, as Ray did.
If you truly cannot see what has happened here, then focus on this :
You have skin. Inside it you are the boss. Outside it you are not.
Everyone else has skin too, and the same deal.
Once you have incorperated this basic reality into your set of
precepts it will become possible for you to disagree without being
disagreeable.
Untill then you will continue to be a *****.
Later.
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27 Nov 2003 05:15:56 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Woman for Abortion <channahvanstraaten@hetnet.nl> wrote in
message
news:<3fbe0e81$0$1491$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>...
Dear all,
Does anyone know the psychological effects of abortion at
the
age
of
55?
During my adolescence I have had an abortion and did not
give
birth to
a
child since.
Here is some information I found, from two different sites.
Both anti-abortion propaganda web sites.
Once again, Ray can't refute or discuss the INFORMATION, and
goes
to
attacking the source instead.
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http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V9/n1/teens_vs_older.html
Detrimental Effects of Adolescent Abortion
Amy R. Sobie and David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
Reardon is well known for his anti-abortion bias. An
example of
his
dishonesty...
Refute it then
[...]
Compared to women who have abortions in adulthood, teens
who
abort:
Are two to four times more likely to commit suicide.(7)
Are more likely to develop psychological problems.(8)
Are more likely to have troubled relationships.(9)
Are generally in need of more counseling and guidance
regarding
abortion.(10)
Are nearly three times more likely to be admitted to mental
health
hospitals than women in general.(11)
The fallacy here is that teens are not grown up yet, and so are
more
likely to experience these problems than adults are. This applies
even
if there has been no abortion. It also applies to males, who never
have abortions.
Can you give medical sources to back that up?
No sources
And are about three times as likely to be murdered.
Now doubtless these pro-llie fanmatics can explain how
abortion
causes
women to be murdered, and I sure would like to hear the
explanation,
but they're pretty much all sleazy cowards so I'm not going
to
wait
for it.
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Originally printed in The Post-Abortion Review, Vol. 9(1),
Jan.-March
2001. Copyright 2001, Elliot Institute.
Bogus literature created of bias, by bias, for bias.
attacking the source and not attacking the information.
Not good.
And that pretty much says it all.
You are right, you can't refute it
I think he did
I think not. Attacking the source, instead of the information is
weak
and
not refuting. Such as you did.
Your reply said it all for any pro-abort
It has been two days since I made the request to Fischer to
refute
the
information in this post. He was only able to attack the
"source"
and
not the "information", and challenged to refute it as anyone can
clearly see above.
He has been silenced, back against the wall.
Once again, Fischer shows he is incapable of arguing the points.
To attack the source only is weak.
Come on Fischer, refute the information. Prove it to be wrong.
Last chance
Note: Fischer will resort to name calling
Trying to reason with you, Osprey, is like trying to reason with a
fireplug. It doesn't matter what gets said, you keep on spewing.
What
it comes down to, sir, is that you have skin. Inside it you are
the
boss. Outside it you are not. Everyone else has skin too, and the
same
deal. I am certian that if you have a conscience then you already
know
this, because it is the foundation of conscience. In failing to
respect it you abandon all claim to the respect of others. What
you
are engauged in is not debate, for you do not respond to others
points, and therefor cannot be taught. Moreover, the points that
you
lay out are weak, if they have any substance whatsoever.
Eventually,
the people who bother themselves to talk to you grow tired of your
antics and busy themselves with something productive. This leaves
you
the last man talking. It doesn't mean that you are right. It means
that you are alone.
Oh yeah, I forgot to call you a name. You're a *****.
Next time, try actually refuting the information.
Ray Already did.
No, Ray didn't.
Unless you got the message to prove it.
You didn't either.
Ray done exactly the same thing you did.
Attack the source, but couldn't refute the information.
Sad
Pathetic
weak
Try again if you want.
Oh, and also provide the post where you claim Ray all ready refuted the
"information"
Jeez dude. Propaganda is not information. It does not need refutation,
it needs only to be identified, as Ray did.
If you truly cannot see what has happened here, then focus on this :
You have skin. Inside it you are the boss. Outside it you are not.
Everyone else has skin too, and the same deal.
Once you have incorperated this basic reality into your set of
precepts it will become possible for you to disagree without being
disagreeable.
Untill then you will continue to be a *****.
Later.
Run away
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Heishman Pervert |
24 Nov 2003 11:13:03 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
It has been two days since I made the request to Fischer to refute the
information in this post.
And two days since I did so, ***** Heishman.
But you keep running from the truth, just like you always do.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Fischer Continues his lies |
25 Nov 2003 03:40:53 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<bpuocv$kgd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
It has been two days since I made the request to Fischer to refute the
information in this post.
And two days since I did so, ***** Heishman.
But you keep running from the truth, just like you always do.
Where is this "truth" that I am running from then?
You don't know truth, so how could you post "truth"?
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