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"Mike D." |
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10 Mar 2005 08:59:15 PM |
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Why would people who are 'pro choice' come here to defend abortion? What
concern could they have about whether abortion was legal or not,
particularly if they are not women of breeding age. I can understand
pro -life people coming here and speaking against abortion because they
could say they are acting in the interests of a human life who is in no
position to defend themselves. But to be proactive in favor of abortion the
only possible argument that could bemade is that they are defending the
personal sovereignty of the individual, and they would be extremists by
definition, since they are defending a persons rights even at the cost of
another person's life. If that is the case, logically the pro abortion
people should also be strongly in favor of people right to hunt, or even in
favor of people right's to purchase animals and torture them, since the
only one who counts is the person whose sovereignty is at issue( I hope
this isn't too sophisticated an argument for some of you here, judging by
your statements, I know you aren't too strong in logic and reasoning
skills). By these same arguments, pro choicers should be for total
legalization of drugs, legalization of suicide, etcetera. Are you all?
Mike.
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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14 Mar 2005 01:36:12 AM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:120320051632319373%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <mLLYd.7307$ju.4475@okepread07>, Bill Gamelson
<bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:120320051612025644%dbarnes@aol.com...
The bible says anything one wants it to say? Even to the point of
contradicting itself?
Point out a contradiction in the Bible.
One? There are hundreds.
Here are a few:
"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." --
Genesis 32:30
Nice try, but actually here is what it says:
King James:
(Gen 32:30) And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen
God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Amplified:
Amplified? By who or what?
(Gen 32:30) And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel [the face of God],
saying, For I have seen God face to face, and my life is spared and not
snatched away.
You seen Jacob didn't actually see God face to face. He saw the place,
Peniel, which means "the face of God." Then he stated that he saw the face
of God, but he didn't actually see the face of God.
"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18
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... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26
"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the
mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley,
because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19
King James:
(Jdg 1:19) And the LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of
the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because
they had chariots of iron.
Amplified:
(Jdg 1:19) The Lord was with Judah, and [Judah] drove out the inhabitants of
the hill country, but he could not drive out those inhabiting the
[difficult] valley basin because they had chariots of iron.
Nice try, but as you can see it was Judah who was trying to drive out the
inhabitants and not the Lord. If God was on Judah's side then the
inhabitants would have been drove out but God was not on Judah's side
obviously.
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"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy
seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." --
Genesis 17:10
King James:
(Gen 17:9) And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
(Gen 17:10) This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and
thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Yes, God was speaking to Abraham concerning his offspring.
"...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." --
Galatians 5:2
King James:
(Gal 5:2) Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ
shall profit you nothing.
(Gal 5:3) For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a
debtor to do the whole law.
(Gal 5:4) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are
justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
(Gal 5:5) For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by
faith.
(Gal 5:6) For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor
uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Amplified:
(Gal 5:2) Notice, it is I, Paul, who tells you that if you receive
circumcision, Christ will be of no profit (advantage, avail) to you [for if
you distrust Him, you can gain nothing from Him].
(Gal 5:3) I once more protest and testify to every man who receives
circumcision that he is under obligation and bound to practice the whole of
the Law and its ordinances.
(Gal 5:4) If you seek to be justified and declared righteous and to be given
a right standing with God through the Law, you are brought to nothing and so
separated (severed) from Christ. You have fallen away from grace (from God's
gracious favor and unmerited blessing).
(Gal 5:5) For we, [not relying on the Law but] through the [Holy] Spirit's
[help], by faith anticipate and wait for the blessing and good for which our
righteousness and right standing with God [our conformity to His will in
purpose, thought, and action, causes us] to hope.
(Gal 5:6) For [if we are] in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor
uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith activated and energized
and expressed and working through love.
This is Paul speaking now. Do you see the difference? God speaks to
Abraham and tells him what he expects of him. This was before Christ. In
the second passage, Paul is speaking to us, saying that it doesn't matter
now whether we are circumcised because we are expected to trust Jesus for
salvation rather than trusting our obedience in God's law. This is why God
gave His only begotten son, so we could trust in Him alone for salvation.
When Jesus dies on the cross for all of us, it changed a lot of things.
This is why there is the difference between those two scriptures, but it is
not a contradiction.
"...he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. " -- Job 7:9
This is Job speaking:
(Job 7:4) When I lie down, I say, When shall I arise, and the night be gone?
and I am full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning of the day.
(Job 7:5) My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is
broken, and become loathsome.
(Job 7:6) My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without
hope.
(Job 7:7) O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good.
(Job 7:8) The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes
are upon me, and I am not.
(Job 7:9) As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down
to the grave shall come up no more.
Notice verse 4. This is what Job says when he lies down. Job had a very
rough life.
"...the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear
his voice, and shall come forth...." -- John 5:28-29
(Joh 5:28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that
are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(Joh 5:29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the
resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of
damnation.
This is Jesus speaking. No contradiction.
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Genesis 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
Genesis 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
Wrong.
(Gen 1:20) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open
firmament of heaven.
(Gen 1:21) And God created great whales, and every living creature that
moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and
every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of
the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(Gen 1:27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created
he him; male and female created he them.
These are the creatures of the WATER that were created before man.
Genesis 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
(Gen 2:7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(Gen 2:19) And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the
field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he
would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was
the name thereof.
These are the beasts of the FIELD which God created after He created man and
woman
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Genesis 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of
the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(Gen 1:27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created
he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
(Gen 2:7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(Gen 2:21) And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he
slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(Gen 2:22) And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a
woman, and brought her unto the man.
Notice in Genesis chapter 1, God CREATED man in his own image, but read it
real close, Adam at that point was both male and female, in God's image.
In Genesis chapter 2, God FORMS man out of the dust of the ground and
breaths life into his nostrils, the causes Adam to fall into a deep sleep,
then takes a rib and makes (forms) a woman and brings her unto Adam. Now
man and woman are seperate.
See, what you are trying to do is understand an infinite God with a finite
brain. It aint gonna happen.
And LITERALLY, hundreds more.
But you have yet to point out one.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Question |
14 Mar 2005 10:11:16 AM |
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In article <42353EEC.9DC904D8@hotmMOVEail.com>, Rich Travsky <
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
Bill Gamelson wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:120320051632319373%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <mLLYd.7307$ju.4475@okepread07>, Bill Gamelson
<bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:120320051612025644%dbarnes@aol.com...
The bible says anything one wants it to say? Even to the point of
contradicting itself?
Point out a contradiction in the Bible.
One? There are hundreds.
Here are a few:
"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." --
Genesis 32:30
Nice try, but actually here is what it says:
King James:
(Gen 32:30) And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen
God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Amplified:
Amplified? By who or what?
By the Right Wing Christians who think they speak for God.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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12 Mar 2005 08:25:49 PM |
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In article <TrNYd.7321$ju.5509@okepread07>, Bill Gamelson
<bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:120320051632319373%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <mLLYd.7307$ju.4475@okepread07>, Bill Gamelson
<bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:120320051612025644%dbarnes@aol.com...
The bible says anything one wants it to say? Even to the point of
contradicting itself?
Point out a contradiction in the Bible.
One? There are hundreds.
Here are a few:
"... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." --
Genesis 32:30
Nice try, but actually here is what it says:
King James:
(Gen 32:30) And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen
God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Amplified:
(Gen 32:30) And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel [the face of God],
saying, For I have seen God face to face, and my life is spared and not
snatched away.
You seen Jacob didn't actually see God face to face. He saw the place,
Peniel, which means "the face of God." Then he stated that he saw the face
of God, but he didn't actually see the face of God.
Because you "Amplified" it? Why does the Bible need you to make
excuses for it?
"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18
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... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26
"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the
mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley,
because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19
King James:
(Jdg 1:19) And the LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of
the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because
they had chariots of iron.
Amplified:
(Jdg 1:19) The Lord was with Judah, and [Judah] drove out the inhabitants of
the hill country, but he could not drive out those inhabiting the
[difficult] valley basin because they had chariots of iron.
Nice try, but as you can see it was Judah who was trying to drive out the
inhabitants and not the Lord. If God was on Judah's side then the
inhabitants would have been drove out but God was not on Judah's side
obviously.
-
"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy
seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." --
Genesis 17:10
King James:
(Gen 17:9) And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
(Gen 17:10) This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and
thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Yes, God was speaking to Abraham concerning his offspring.
"...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." --
Galatians 5:2
King James:
(Gal 5:2) Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ
shall profit you nothing.
(Gal 5:3) For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a
debtor to do the whole law.
(Gal 5:4) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are
justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
(Gal 5:5) For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by
faith.
(Gal 5:6) For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor
uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Amplified:
(Gal 5:2) Notice, it is I, Paul, who tells you that if you receive
circumcision, Christ will be of no profit (advantage, avail) to you [for if
you distrust Him, you can gain nothing from Him].
(Gal 5:3) I once more protest and testify to every man who receives
circumcision that he is under obligation and bound to practice the whole of
the Law and its ordinances.
(Gal 5:4) If you seek to be justified and declared righteous and to be given
a right standing with God through the Law, you are brought to nothing and so
separated (severed) from Christ. You have fallen away from grace (from God's
gracious favor and unmerited blessing).
(Gal 5:5) For we, [not relying on the Law but] through the [Holy] Spirit's
[help], by faith anticipate and wait for the blessing and good for which our
righteousness and right standing with God [our conformity to His will in
purpose, thought, and action, causes us] to hope.
(Gal 5:6) For [if we are] in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor
uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith activated and energized
and expressed and working through love.
This is Paul speaking now. Do you see the difference? God speaks to
Abraham and tells him what he expects of him. This was before Christ. In
the second passage, Paul is speaking to us, saying that it doesn't matter
now whether we are circumcised because we are expected to trust Jesus for
salvation rather than trusting our obedience in God's law. This is why God
gave His only begotten son, so we could trust in Him alone for salvation.
When Jesus dies on the cross for all of us, it changed a lot of things.
This is why there is the difference between those two scriptures, but it is
not a contradiction.
"...he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. " -- Job 7:9
This is Job speaking:
(Job 7:4) When I lie down, I say, When shall I arise, and the night be gone?
and I am full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning of the day.
(Job 7:5) My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is
broken, and become loathsome.
(Job 7:6) My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without
hope.
(Job 7:7) O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good.
(Job 7:8) The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes
are upon me, and I am not.
(Job 7:9) As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down
to the grave shall come up no more.
Notice verse 4. This is what Job says when he lies down. Job had a very
rough life.
"...the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear
his voice, and shall come forth...." -- John 5:28-29
(Joh 5:28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that
are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(Joh 5:29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the
resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of
damnation.
This is Jesus speaking. No contradiction.
-
Genesis 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
Genesis 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
Wrong.
(Gen 1:20) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open
firmament of heaven.
(Gen 1:21) And God created great whales, and every living creature that
moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and
every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of
the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(Gen 1:27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created
he him; male and female created he them.
These are the creatures of the WATER that were created before man.
Genesis 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
(Gen 2:7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(Gen 2:19) And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the
field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he
would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was
the name thereof.
These are the beasts of the FIELD which God created after He created man and
woman
-
Genesis 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of
the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(Gen 1:27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created
he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
(Gen 2:7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(Gen 2:21) And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he
slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
(Gen 2:22) And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a
woman, and brought her unto the man.
Notice in Genesis chapter 1, God CREATED man in his own image, but read it
real close, Adam at that point was both male and female, in God's image.
In Genesis chapter 2, God FORMS man out of the dust of the ground and
breaths life into his nostrils, the causes Adam to fall into a deep sleep,
then takes a rib and makes (forms) a woman and brings her unto Adam. Now
man and woman are seperate.
See, what you are trying to do is understand an infinite God with a finite
brain. It aint gonna happen.
But YOU can, right? LOL! This is the crazy kind of talk that is
needed to explain the Bible.
And LITERALLY, hundreds more.
But you have yet to point out one.
Because YOU think making excuses means the Bible doesn't contradict
itself? Isn't it convenient that YOU know better than the plain
language what the Bible REALLY means.
All were valid.
Why do you believe the Bible is true?
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| User: "Attila" |
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12 Mar 2005 06:47:22 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:24:43 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bgamelson@cox.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<mLLYd.7307$ju.4475@okepread07> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:120320051612025644%dbarnes@aol.com...
The bible says anything one wants it to say? Even to the point of
contradicting itself?
Point out a contradiction in the Bible.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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12 Mar 2005 02:44:53 PM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:5AHYd.300$FW.117@news02.roc.ny...
Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:UbtYd.274$hg.62@news01.roc.ny...
Two quick points and a question
1) It says "thou shalt not kill", not "thou shalt not commit murder".
Actually, some versions do say "Thou shalt not commit murder." The New
King James is one of those versions.
Kinda puts a damper on the whole "unchangeable word of god" thing, doesn't
it?
No, it leaves some Bible versions in question.
It leaves all of them in question.
Those are two different terms, with the commonality that something dies.
2) You've killed millions of insects with your car. If you walked or
opted not to leave your house, they'd still be alive.
Do you follow all laws in Exodus, or just certain ones?
I try to follow all of them.
Try? According to the deity of the bible (and Yoda), there is no "try".
You either do or you don't.
Really? Cite book, chapter and verse please.
And what is Yoda?
Sanskrit for "warrior", but I was merely quoting a fictional character
from the Star Wars movies.
A bit of levity, if you will
Following all laws of Exodus is something no one in modern society is
capable of.
Consider the following sample:
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
The word "live" according to the Strong's Greek and Hebrew dictionary means
to allow the witch to enchant or practice magick and witchcraft, not to kill
her. This was a common mistake of the 16th century. People thought they
were following the Bible when they killed witches but they weren't.
They aren't following it by allowing them to practice their craft
either. What of modern-day witches? Shouldn't all Christians be doing
everything they can to stop the practices of the Wiccans?
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him.
The firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.
Neither shall ye eat any flesh that is torn of beasts in the field.
And thou shalt take no gift.
And six years thou shalt sow thy land.
Make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of
thy mouth.
Please cite book chapter and verses for these alledged scriptures.
Ex. 22 in both the KJV and the RSV.
Mind you, this is as per bible.com. I have two hardcovers of the KJV
(which I have read), but it's much easier to search using the web. I
don't cross-check for accuracy between the site & the hardcover either.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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12 Mar 2005 10:34:08 AM |
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in article rnxYd.7211$ju.5569@okepread07, Bill Gamelson at
wrote on 3/12/05 3:03 AM:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:UbtYd.274$hg.62@news01.roc.ny...
Two quick points and a question
1) It says "thou shalt not kill", not "thou shalt not commit murder".
Actually, some versions do say "Thou shalt not commit murder." The New King
James is one of those versions.
Those are two different terms, with the commonality that something dies.
2) You've killed millions of insects with your car. If you walked or opted
not to leave your house, they'd still be alive.
Do you follow all laws in Exodus, or just certain ones?
I try to follow all of them.
Not that they lead to anyplace one would WANT to go...
Paul
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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12 Mar 2005 12:53:25 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:18:12 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
Two quick points and a question
1) It says "thou shalt not kill", not "thou shalt not commit murder".
Those are two different terms, with the commonality that something dies.
Actually, that's ignorance talking. The implication
there is murder, not self defense, for example and just
in case you feel like being foolish enough to argue
that point, the Hebrew word in the text is, "ratsach"
and means "to murder". Properly, "to dash in pieces".
2) You've killed millions of insects with your car. If you walked or
opted not to leave your house, they'd still be alive.
A dumb argument.
Do you follow all laws in Exodus, or just certain ones?
Another dumb argument, spawned from ignorance and a
desire to avoid your own guilt.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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12 Mar 2005 01:59:08 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:794531drc9qqvqvkjvh3m6j65849hv8ra9@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:18:12 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
Two quick points and a question
1) It says "thou shalt not kill", not "thou shalt not commit murder".
Those are two different terms, with the commonality that something dies.
Actually, that's ignorance talking. The implication
there is murder, not self defense, for example and just
in case you feel like being foolish enough to argue
that point, the Hebrew word in the text is, "ratsach"
and means "to murder". Properly, "to dash in pieces".
Why doesn't your god learn to talk more clearly and comprehensibly so that
there aren't so many misunderstandings. Maybe then we'd have less problems
in the world.
Two thousand years have passed. A lot has changed in this world.
He should author a new testament for us now in english so that there is no
possibility for translation errors.
2) You've killed millions of insects with your car. If you walked or
opted not to leave your house, they'd still be alive.
A dumb argument.
Dumb books cause dumb arguments.
Do you follow all laws in Exodus, or just certain ones?
Another dumb argument, spawned from ignorance and a
desire to avoid your own guilt.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).
History books that contain no lies are extremely dull. The christian bible
is a very interesting book indeed.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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In article <4232a14d$0$5599$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au says...
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:794531drc9qqvqvkjvh3m6j65849hv8ra9@4ax.com...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:18:12 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
Two quick points and a question
1) It says "thou shalt not kill", not "thou shalt not commit murder".
Those are two different terms, with the commonality that something dies.
Actually, that's ignorance talking. The implication
there is murder, not self defense, for example and just
in case you feel like being foolish enough to argue
that point, the Hebrew word in the text is, "ratsach"
and means "to murder". Properly, "to dash in pieces".
Why doesn't your god learn to talk more clearly and comprehensibly so that
there aren't so many misunderstandings. Maybe then we'd have less problems
in the world.
Two thousand years have passed. A lot has changed in this world.
He should author a new testament for us now in english so that there is no
possibility for translation errors.
2) You've killed millions of insects with your car. If you walked or
opted not to leave your house, they'd still be alive.
A dumb argument.
Dumb books cause dumb arguments.
Do you follow all laws in Exodus, or just certain ones?
Another dumb argument, spawned from ignorance and a
desire to avoid your own guilt.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).
History books that contain no lies are extremely dull. The christian bible
is a very interesting book indeed.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
Actual knowledge does not change down the centuries, if it is indeed
wisdom that was written down.
However the version of the bible we now have - has been edited and re-edited
so many times, it has lost it's original meaning.
I am going through the 'Talmud Jmmanuel' text, which is supposedly the
'original' text - see
www.tjresearch.info
This is an example from it....
Chapter 5
The Sermon on the Mount
I. When Jmmanuel saw the people following him, he went up a hill and sat
down; and his
disciples came to him.
2. And he taught them, saying:
3. "Blessed are those who are rich in spirit and recognize the truth, for
life is theirs.
4. "Blessed are those who endure hardship, for they shall thus recognize
truth and be
comforted.
5. "Blessed are the spiritually balanced, for they shall possess knowledge.
6. "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for truth and knowledge, for they
shall be
satisfied.
7. "Blessed are those who live according to the laws of nature, for they live
according to
the plan of Creation.
8. "Blessed are those who have a clear conscience, for they need not fear.
9. "Blessed are those who know about Creation, for they are not enslaved by
false teachings.
10. "Blessed are the righteous, for nature is subject to them.
11. "Blessed are you if, on my account and because of our teachings, people
revile and
persecute you and speak all manner of evil against you; thus they lie
about the teachings.
12. "Be of good cheer and take comfort; this life and the next life will
reward you.
For so have the belittlers of the truth persecuted the prophets who were
before you,
and so will they also persecute you.
13. "You are the salt of the Earth, and if the salt loses its flavor with what
would one salt?
It is useless henceforth, except it be thrown out and stepped on by the
people.
14. "You are the light of the world, and consider: The city that lies on top
of a mountain
cannot be hidden.
15. "One does not light a candle and place it under a bushel, but on a
candlestick; thus it
shines for all those who are in the house.
16. "Likewise your light shall shine before the people, so they see your good
deeds and
recognize the truth of your knowledge.
17. "Do not think that I have come to do away with the law or the prophet; I
have come not to
undo, but to fulfill and to reveal the knowledge.
18. "Truly, I say to you: Until the heavens and the Earth vanish, neither a
letter nor a dot
of the law of Creation and the laws of nature will vanish, until all is
fulfilled.
19. "Whosoever violates one of the smallest of the laws or directives and
teaches the people
falsely, will be called the smallest; but whosoever spreads the teachings
truthfully will
be called great and will receive the reward of the spirit.
20. "I tell you: If your righteousness does not exceed that of the scribes and
Pharisees,
you will not receive the reward of the spirit and of life.
21. "You have heard that it was said to your ancestors:' You shall not kill;
but whosoever
kills shall be found guilty by the courts.'
22. "However, I say to you: Exercise justice according to the natural laws of
Creation, so
that you find the judgment in logic.
23. "Guilty are all those who kill when not acting in self-defense or
according to legal
verdict based on self-defense. Likewise, guilty are all those who engage
in evil speech
and actions.
24. "Only justice according to the natural laws of Creation produces a logical
judgment.
25. "Do not accommodate your adversaries if you are in the right, and the
judge will probably
have to decide in your favor.
26. "Truly, I say to you: You will attain justice only when you find it
yourself and can make
your fellow humans understand it.
27. "You have heard that it was said:' You shall not commit adultery.'
28. "But I say to you: Whosoever has sexual intercourse with someone other
than their spouse
shall be delivered to the courts, for it is an act unworthy of humans,
contemptible and
an offense against the laws of nature.
29. "If, however, your right or left eye causes annoyance, tear it out and
throw it away,
because it is better for you that just one of your members be destroyed
than your whole
body.
30. "If a thought causes you annoyance, eradicate it and ban it from your
brain. It is better
to destroy a thought that incites annoyance than to bring the whole world
of thought into
an uproar.
31. "It has also been said, 'Whosoever divorces his spouse shall hand over a
certificate of
divorce.
32. "However, I say to you: Whosoever separates from their spouse, except in
response to
adultery, commits adultery; whosoever marries a person who is guilty in a
divorce also
commits adultery.
33. "You have further heard it said to your ancestors: 'You shall take no
false oath, and you
shall keep your oath to god.’
34. "However, I say to you that you shall not swear at all; do not swear by
the heavens,
because they are infinite and immeasurable.
35. "Neither swear by the Earth, because it is impermanent, nor swear by
Jerusalem, because it
is an impermanent city built by human hands.
36. "You shall also not swear by your head, because you cannot change the
color of a single
hair.
37. "Also do not swear by the memory of a person or a thing, for they are all
impermanent.
38. "Let your speech at all times simply be:' Yes, yes' or' no, no.' Anything
beyond that goes
against the laws.
39. "You have heard it said: 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
40. "But I say to you, exercise justice according to the natural laws of
Creation, so that you
find the verdict in logic.
41. "Offer your love wherever it is warranted, and punish wherever the law of
nature demands
punishment.
42. "Give to them who ask of you, if they make their requests in honesty, and
turn away from
them who want to borrow from you in a dishonest way.
43. "You have heard it said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your
enemy.
44. "However, I say to you: Practice love and understanding according to the
natural laws of
Creation, so that through logic you find the right action and perception.
45. "Offer your love where it is warranted, and despise where the law of
nature demands it.
46. "You shall be wise and acquire knowledge, because you shall become perfect
in spirit as
the Creation which created you.
47. "Over the course of incarnations you shall train your spirit and your
consciousness and
allow them to develop to perfection, so that you become one with
Creation.
Note: Jesus/Jmmanuel taught reincarnation.
There was no resurrection - he was resucitated after the crucifixion.
He journeyed onto India, onto Kashmir - where he spent the remainder of his
long life.
www.tombofjesus.com
Harvey
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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12 Mar 2005 01:50:45 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:18:12 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
Two quick points and a question
1) It says "thou shalt not kill", not "thou shalt not commit murder".
Those are two different terms, with the commonality that something dies.
Actually, that's ignorance talking. The implication
there is murder, not self defense, for example and just
in case you feel like being foolish enough to argue
that point, the Hebrew word in the text is, "ratsach"
and means "to murder". Properly, "to dash in pieces".
Like they were commanded to do to the children?
Ignorance is equating abortion to murder.
2) You've killed millions of insects with your car. If you walked or
opted not to leave your house, they'd still be alive.
A dumb argument.
So you've created exceptions to your god's rules? What other edicts in
that book have you edited to suit your needs?
Do you follow all laws in Exodus, or just certain ones?
Another dumb argument, spawned from ignorance and a
desire to avoid your own guilt.
Is that a yes, a no, or indicative of your own shortcomings?
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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12 Mar 2005 05:21:13 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:50:45 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:18:12 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
Two quick points and a question
1) It says "thou shalt not kill", not "thou shalt not commit murder".
Those are two different terms, with the commonality that something dies.
Actually, that's ignorance talking. The implication
there is murder, not self defense, for example and just
in case you feel like being foolish enough to argue
that point, the Hebrew word in the text is, "ratsach"
and means "to murder". Properly, "to dash in pieces".
Like they were commanded to do to the children?
When the proabortionist's argument is defeated, they
inevitably revert to attacking.
Ignorance is equating abortion to murder.
You mean that you wish that were true. Let's face it.
Thus far, you're on the losing end of our debate.
2) You've killed millions of insects with your car. If you walked or
opted not to leave your house, they'd still be alive.
A dumb argument.
So you've created exceptions to your god's rules? What other edicts in
that book have you edited to suit your needs?
Once again, the proabortionist attacks.
Your argument was stupid and contained the mental
ability of a six year old. If I were you, I would have
retreated from that point and let it slip by
unanswered, hoping no one noticed.
Do you follow all laws in Exodus, or just certain ones?
Another dumb argument, spawned from ignorance and a
desire to avoid your own guilt.
Is that a yes, a no, or indicative of your own shortcomings?
Do not argue what you do not understand and sitting
there having your ego run your fingers, does not mean
that you understand.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
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http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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12 Mar 2005 07:51:19 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:50:45 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:18:12 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
Two quick points and a question
1) It says "thou shalt not kill", not "thou shalt not commit murder".
Those are two different terms, with the commonality that something dies.
Actually, that's ignorance talking. The implication
there is murder, not self defense, for example and just
in case you feel like being foolish enough to argue
that point, the Hebrew word in the text is, "ratsach"
and means "to murder". Properly, "to dash in pieces".
Like they were commanded to do to the children?
When the proabortionist's argument is defeated, they
inevitably revert to attacking.
Like saying "a dumb argument"?
Ignorance is equating abortion to murder.
You mean that you wish that were true. Let's face it.
Thus far, you're on the losing end of our debate.
lmfao!!! So you can't refute what I stated. Abortion is most definitely
NOT murder under any circumstances.
2) You've killed millions of insects with your car. If you walked or
opted not to leave your house, they'd still be alive.
A dumb argument.
So you've created exceptions to your god's rules? What other edicts in
that book have you edited to suit your needs?
Once again, the proabortionist attacks.
Let's see...
"a dumb argument"... is that supposed to be considered a respectful and
well-thought out reply, or is it a juvenile attack against a position
for which you have no defense?
Hypocrite.
Your argument was stupid and contained the mental
ability of a six year old.
Yet is has you completely befuddled. Go figure.
If I were you, I would have
retreated from that point and let it slip by
unanswered, hoping no one noticed.
You're the one letting it slip by unanswered, now degrading it in the
hope that no one will take you to task for it.
Do you follow all laws in Exodus, or just certain ones?
Another dumb argument, spawned from ignorance and a
desire to avoid your own guilt.
Is that a yes, a no, or indicative of your own shortcomings?
Do not argue what you do not understand and sitting
there having your ego run your fingers, does not mean
that you understand.
You've managed to completely avoid discussing any of the facts presented
in refutation to your extremely flawed argument. It hasn't gone unnoticed.
It's becoming quite obvious that you are little more than a religious
hypocrite, dictating to your god which of his "laws" you will and will
not follow, and attacking anyone who dares expose that fact.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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12 Mar 2005 01:36:47 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:51:19 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
lmfao!!! So you can't refute what I stated. Abortion is most definitely
NOT murder under any circumstances.
Keep telling yourself that, no matter how many debates
you lose.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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12 Mar 2005 01:43:10 PM |
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In article <q4h6311mfuv9hpoqj9do5pd9fmttvgnpjs@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:51:19 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
lmfao!!! So you can't refute what I stated. Abortion is most definitely
NOT murder under any circumstances.
Keep telling yourself that, no matter how many debates
you lose.
I haven't that happen yet. Perhaps you could offer an example, if you
are aware of one?
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| User: "Attila" |
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12 Mar 2005 03:12:30 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:36:47 GMT, Pastor Dave
<newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<q4h6311mfuv9hpoqj9do5pd9fmttvgnpjs@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:51:19 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
lmfao!!! So you can't refute what I stated. Abortion is most definitely
NOT murder under any circumstances.
Keep telling yourself that, no matter how many debates
you lose.
Abortion can never be murder where it is legal, and it is legal in the
US.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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12 Mar 2005 02:27:42 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:51:19 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> spake
thusly:
lmfao!!! So you can't refute what I stated. Abortion is most definitely
NOT murder under any circumstances.
Keep telling yourself that, no matter how many debates
you lose.
Do tell, "pastor". Which debates have I lost?
Perhaps we'll tackle why you can't refute the fact that abortion is not
murder afterward.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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12 Mar 2005 03:22:12 PM |
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Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in news:2hIYd.305$9E2.73
@news02.roc.ny:
Do tell, "pastor". Which debates have I lost?
oh my, that wasn't a very smart question.
--
"That's not a forgery, stupid" moaned forger Frank Dwyer as
he tried to explain why he manufactured text and falsely
attributed it to me. <4Y8Kd.2254$Ty.1665@news02.roc.ny>
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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13 Mar 2005 05:07:05 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in news:2hIYd.305$9E2.73
@news02.roc.ny:
Do tell, "pastor". Which debates have I lost?
oh my, that wasn't a very smart question.
LMAO! You don't even know what a debate it, jester, nor can you show any
instance of my losing one.
--
"you made a typo and i fixed it." moaned liar and hypocrite james g
keegan jr. as he tried to excuse what he erroneously defines as forgery.
<2mt7lk$qt9@usenet.rpi.edu>
"Fixed it for you" My reply to liar and hypocrite james g keegan jr.
when I corrected a typo he made. <iJvpd.5261$gs2.223@news01.roc.ny> He
foolishly and ignorantly considers that post a forgery.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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13 Mar 2005 07:34:57 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:07:05 +0000, Frank Dwyer wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in news:2hIYd.305$9E2.73
@news02.roc.ny:
Do tell, "pastor". Which debates have I lost?
oh my, that wasn't a very smart question.
LMAO! You don't even know what a debate it,
the remarks of a well-known forger and coward don't carry much weight.
---
"That's not a forgery, stupid" moaned forger Frank Dwyer as
he tried to explain why he manufactured text and falsely
attributed it to me. <4Y8Kd.2254$Ty.1665@news02.roc.ny>
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!" |
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11 Mar 2005 08:43:48 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:29:10 -0600,
"Bill Gamelson" <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't step on any ANTS!!
LOL!!!!!!!
(You are **funnier** than hell, despite not
having a brain in your head.)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Attila" |
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11 Mar 2005 09:27:33 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:29:10 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bgamelson@cox.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<LBrYd.7167$ju.2893@okepread07> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:qnf43119b0kpl1fna1iuaoc8vg5pp31e02@4ax.com...
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:58:47 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bgamelson@cox.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<0hqYd.7152$ju.2232@okepread07> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:0bb4315cn94uoinuh6j54fi5ce29umh55o@4ax.com...
Since murder is a legal term requiring an illegal act your use of it
here is clearly in error.
You have neither fact nor reality to support you.
Where did you get the idea that murder must be an illegal act?
Main Entry: 1mur·der
Pronunciation: 'm&r-d&r
Function: noun
Etymology: partly from Middle English murther, from Old
English morthor; partly from Middle English murdre, from Old
French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English morthor;
akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors
death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal
Date: before 12th century
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with
malice aforethought
2 a : something very difficult or dangerous <the traffic was
murder> b : something outrageous or blameworthy <getting
away with murder>
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
Answered elsewhere.
Your source is unverified and ignored.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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12 Mar 2005 02:09:17 AM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:8co431l39jcs9i3sq5oscc9562b0qpn89t@4ax.com...
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
Answered elsewhere.
Your source is unverified and ignored.
Ignorance is no excuse.
--
Christian music and sermons on streaming audio:
www.globalnetministries.com
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!" |
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12 Mar 2005 11:04:43 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:09:17 -0600,
Bill Gamelson <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
Ignorance is no excuse.
Then boy, are YOU ever in ***big** trouble!!!!!
(ROTFL!!!!!)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Attila" |
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12 Mar 2005 06:11:03 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:09:17 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bgamelson@cox.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<UsxYd.7214$ju.151@okepread07> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:8co431l39jcs9i3sq5oscc9562b0qpn89t@4ax.com...
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
Answered elsewhere.
Your source is unverified and ignored.
Ignorance is no excuse.
I agree. You have no excuse.
Your source is still unverified and ignored.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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12 Mar 2005 10:34:52 AM |
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in article UsxYd.7214$ju.151@okepread07, Bill Gamelson at
wrote on 3/12/05 3:09 AM:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
There's your law.
Answered elsewhere.
Your source is unverified and ignored.
Ignorance is no excuse.
Then you've surrendered your one hope on Judgement Day...
Paul
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!" |
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11 Mar 2005 08:37:48 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:38:12 -0600,
Bill Gamelson <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Bill Gamelson <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Mike D. <mikdan7@comcast.net> wrote:
Why would people who are [Pro-Choice] come here to
defend abortion?
We defend that remedy, as well as unfettered and easy ACCESS
to that remedy, to all girls and women who CHOOSE it. *Being*
Pro-Choicers, we just as vigorously defend the right of all women to
have no barriers to choosing to gestate-to-term, as well, if that is
their choice. UNlike our mindless and hateful ANTI-Choice counter-
parts, who would loathsomely DENY the first choice to those girls
and women, which would leave them with NO choice but to be
FORCED to gestate-to-term against their will, and thus undergo a
very real, 8-month-long form of forcible RAPE at their hands.
That having been said -- which makes you *insane* if you are an
Anti-Choicer, I call your attention to this NEXT paragraph from my last
post that you -- coward that you are -- **omitted** -- which FURTHER
indicts you ---
So -- if you want to understand such fair-minded, sensible, and
compassionate people as those of us who are Pro-Choicers with
respect to the remedy of abortion, you need go no farther than your
dictionary, and look up just this ONE word: Egalitarian.
Gee, it sounds like you are the one with all the hatred in your blood.
Because I OPPOSE the loathsome bigotry of losers like you?
LOL!!! You are either about as clueless as it is possible to get -- or
you are one very **desperate** loser -- or both. The last time I saw
anyone THAT clueless, I was doing Civil Rights work against moronic
segregationists in Mississippi in the early 1960s.
Tell me, when did you make the choice to be born?
(ROTFL!!!!!!) Yep. CLUELESS!!!
So much for pro-choice.
So much for any possibility of your having a functioning brain.
Here's another word for you to look up:
Adoption.
You have no idea what that means, do you?
Why wouldn't I? Every Pro-Choice person I know, myself
included, is a strong ADVOCATE of adoption.
Not if they want the right to murder.
Apples and oranges. Unless you are talking about the human
RIGHTS that *you* and your loathsome ilk seek to murder.
People who are retarded and clueless enough to be ANTI-
Choicers are too bone-dumb to understand what the term,
"Pro-CHOICE," means.
Gee, you accuse [Anti-Choicers] of hatered...
...only because they ARE hateful ANTI-Choicers, who seek to
impose immense hardship upon millions of people -- for NOTHING!!
Society's bottom-feeders.
...and look at you. Using words like "retarded" and "clueless"
doesn't sound like words of love to me...
Solly, Cholly -- but those are ACCURATE descriptors for your ilk.
If you don't want them applied to you -- GROW UP. Sensible adults
want **nothing** to do with such hateful bigotry as you espouse.
Learn the HUGE difference between being a person who
SUPPORTS the right of women to have unfettered **choice**
of ALL of the options open to her (including both the remedy
of abortion and gestating-to-term
How about giving the baby a choice?
FIRST off, babies are incapable of making choices.
SECONDLY, since ALL *babies* have been BORN,
you're OFF-topic.
-- AFTER which, in the latter case, a NEW set of choices
is open to her:
Who?
The woman, moronic nitwit.
(ROTFL!!!!!!! You really ARE a **desperate** loser, aren't
you? You can't make any sense no matter HOW you string words
together. That comes from having NO FACTS on your side.
...adopting out, or keeping the baby) -- and being a LOATH-
SOME loser who seeks to DENY any of those choices to any
girls/women, or to millions of girls/women.
<redundant IDIOCY flushed. We already have
watched you prove yourself a total moron. And
gotten some really good LAUGHS out of it!>
The difference is day-and-night.
ANTI-choice is night
And ALL Anti-Choicers are sociopathic losers. The equivalent
of the mindless segregationists of 40 years earlier. Rat turds in
society's bunch bowl.
Being America's National Laughingstock is probably ALL that
you and your ilk are any good for.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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12 Mar 2005 01:45:24 AM |
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"Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, it'll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!"
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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That having been said -- which makes you *insane* if you are an
Anti-Choicer, I call your attention to this NEXT paragraph from my last
post that you -- coward that you are -- **omitted** -- which FURTHER
indicts you ---
Man, you anti-lifers really are just a bunch of children with your hateful
name calling. No wonder you can murder without regret.
So -- if you want to understand such fair-minded, sensible, and
compassionate people as those of us who are Pro-Choicers with
respect to the remedy of abortion, you need go no farther than your
dictionary, and look up just this ONE word: Egalitarian.
Gee, it sounds like you are the one with all the hatred in your
blood.
Because I OPPOSE the loathsome bigotry of losers like you?
LOL!!! You are either about as clueless as it is possible to get -- or
you are one very **desperate** loser -- or both. The last time I saw
anyone THAT clueless, I was doing Civil Rights work against moronic
segregationists in Mississippi in the early 1960s.
Look at all that hatred in your murderous blood.
Tell me, when did you make the choice to be born?
(ROTFL!!!!!!) Yep. CLUELESS!!!
You can't answer the question, can you.
So much for pro-choice.
So much for any possibility of your having a functioning brain.
LOL! Is that all you pro-murder people can do is call people names when you
can't win an argument any other way?
Here's another word for you to look up:
Adoption.
You have no idea what that means, do you?
Why wouldn't I? Every Pro-Choice person I know, myself
included, is a strong ADVOCATE of adoption.
Not if they want the right to murder.
Apples and oranges. Unless you are talking about the human
RIGHTS that *you* and your loathsome ilk seek to murder.
No human can give anyone the right to murder.
People who are retarded and clueless enough to be ANTI-
Choicers are too bone-dumb to understand what the term,
"Pro-CHOICE," means.
Gee, you accuse [Anti-Choicers] of hatered...
...only because they ARE hateful ANTI-Choicers, who seek to
impose immense hardship upon millions of people -- for NOTHING!!
Society's bottom-feeders.
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That is all you anti-life people can do, isn't it? You're simply not
capable if an intelligent debate.
...and look at you. Using words like "retarded" and "clueless"
doesn't sound like words of love to me...
Solly, Cholly -- but those are ACCURATE descriptors for your ilk.
No, they are immature tantrums because you can't win an argument.
If you don't want them applied to you -- GROW UP. Sensible adults
want **nothing** to do with such hateful bigotry as you espouse.
Learn the HUGE difference between being a person who
SUPPORTS the right of women to have unfettered **choice**
of ALL of the options open to her (including both the remedy
of abortion and gestating-to-term
How about giving the baby a choice?
FIRST off, babies are incapable of making choices.
Really? Are you glad that you were born instead of aborted? Answer that
one without evading the question by calling me childish names.
SECONDLY, since ALL *babies* have been BORN,
you're OFF-topic.
Life begins at conception, so you're wrong.
-- AFTER which, in the latter case, a NEW set of choices
is open to her:
Who?
The woman, moronic nitwit.
So you give no choice to the baby.
(ROTFL!!!!!!! You really ARE a **desperate** loser, aren't
you? You can't make any sense no matter HOW you string words
together. That comes from having NO FACTS on your side.
Sticks and stones... Stickes and stones..
...adopting out, or keeping the baby) -- and being a LOATH-
SOME loser who seeks to DENY any of those choices to any
girls/women, or to millions of girls/women.
<redundant IDIOCY flushed. We already have
watched you prove yourself a total moron. And
gotten some really good LAUGHS out of it!>
The difference is day-and-night.
ANTI-choice is night
And ALL Anti-Choicers are sociopathic losers. The equivalent
of the mindless segregationists of 40 years earlier. Rat turds in
society's bunch bowl.
I'd say you're the loser for not being able to debat me without childish
tantrums.
Being America's National Laughingstock is probably ALL that
you and your ilk are any good for.
Sticks and stones... Stickes and stones.. You know you're not doing the
pro-murder people any justice with your language.
--
Christian music and sermons on streaming audio:
www.globalnetministries.com
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Mar 2005 01:30:39 PM |
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Bill Gamelson <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
Man, you anti-lifers really are just a bunch of children with your hateful
name calling. No wonder you can murder without regret.
Do you follow all laws in Exodus, or just certain ones?
I try to follow all of them.
Bill Gamelson <bgamelson@cox.net> in <rnxYd.7211$ju.5569@okepread07>
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Ex 20:16
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!" |
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12 Mar 2005 11:01:14 AM |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:45:24 -0600,
Bill Gamelson <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
# Bill Gamelson <bgamelson@cox.net> wrote:
# Frank Dwyer wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
That having been said -- which makes you *insane* if you are an
Anti-Choicer, I call your attention to this NEXT paragraph from my last
post that you -- coward that you are -- **omitted** -- which FURTHER
indicts you ---
Man, you [Pro-Choicers] really are...
...a truly *compassionate*, fair-minded, and SENSIBLE majority of the
population. Unlike the clueless-loser ANTI-Choice bigots who have
nothing better to do than WHINE about the personal liberties of other
people which are absolutely NONE of their business, whatsoever.
That pretty much sums it up.
[ ... ] No wonder you can murder without regret.
ROTFL!!!! In another post, today, you made THIS response to
Frank Dwyer, who asked you:
# Do you follow all laws in Exodus, or just certain ones?
# I try to follow all of them.
SO MUCH for the commandment against LYING! And... you
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