COL RSJ wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:45:41 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:26:41 -0500, COL RSJ <Nakedrunner70@yahoo.com>
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:03:12 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:22:48 -0500, COL RSJ <Nakedrunner70@yahoo.com>
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If the woman has total control of her body. If she can throw away or
have the baby as she please.

There is no baby before birth.

Why the heck should guys be stuck with
18 years of payments for something that was her choice. Myself, I
have never had kids out of wedlock and all the kids we had in marriage
are grown. But I find it really unfair the way the system is set up.

You are looking at the payment as if it is a penalty for being a
parent. Society observes a child exists (no matter how that existence
occurred) and someone must be responsible for the expenses necessary
for raising that child. It would be in the best interest of the child
to insure that both parents support the child. That is what occurs.
Usually the non-custodial parent provides money while the custodial
parent provides food, housing, and so forth.

The details can be argued endlessly.

Ny gripe is that until she squats out the kid I have no say. If it is
her chooice to sleep with me, then she needs to be the one using birth
control.

That attitude is somewhat antiquated.

If she gets pregnant, and I have no say if she keeps my
child or not, I think it was her choice and should be her
responsibility.

True enough, but society says that is not a reason to punish the child
by forcing it to live at a lower standard of living than it would if
there was a family unit involved.

That being said, if I ever had that happen to me, I
would fight in court for full custody.

While in the minority it is not unheard of for the father to gain
custody and the mother to pay child support.

In my area men winning custody is up around 30%. Slowly things are
changing. Slowly.

Here in Delaware we still have a long way to go. There is a lot of
double standards and discrimination against men.

Example:
As I said before, I work in a prison. In our female facility, Baylor,
mothers are allowed to spend weekends with their children. They have a
special room for the mother and the child with beds.
Fathers do not get this opportunity. They get maybe 45 minutes and if
they are really good for six months they may get a few hours with an
honor visit.
In the state of Delaware they feel its important for both child and
mother to maintain contact. While that may be true, it's also
important for the father to maintain contact as well. So why does the
father get the short end?

Custody battles, yes some fathers are getting custody but it's very
rare.

There is a long way to go to make this an equal process. Frankly, men
need to do what women did with the women's movement. Men need to gather
together and make a strong movement.