Science > Abortion > Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore
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05 Oct 2007 08:03:57 PM |
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Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
On Oct 5, 4:21 pm, (Karen Gordon) wrote:
rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
So if I kill a woman who is
pregnant with a 3 week old human fetus, do I get charged for a single
or double murder?
Attila (procho...@here.now) writes:
Since the charge of murder can only be brought under the law your
question is meaningless.
If you are asking if there should be such a law - no.
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If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament
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I don't see how you came to that conclusion from what Attila wrote.
The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Although there are many angles to address this topic, your conclusion
was not one of them.
Also, as a side note, in a patriarchal system, when a woman became
pregnant, it was a man's job to support her. In other words, if she
got pregnant, he got pregnant. Even in these systems, abortion is
frowned down upon by both men and women. So it confuses me when you
make such statements.
Regards...
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09 Oct 2007 11:21:31 PM |
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<> wrote:
The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
You only show yourself to be an irrational fanatic by repeating that
nonsense.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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10 Oct 2007 08:29:12 PM |
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On Oct 9, 8:21 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
You only show yourself to be an irrational fanatic by repeating that
nonsense.
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Ray Fischer
You have no room to talk or comment on this subject since you cannot
answer simple questions. The debate and discussion is dead. You lost
so deal with it.
Regards...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Oct 2007 11:03:05 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:21 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
agsf...@yahoo.com <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
You only show yourself to be an irrational fanatic by repeating that
nonsense.
You have no room to talk or comment on this subject since you cannot
answer simple questions.
And now you're reduced to outright lying.
Business as usual lfor pro-liar assholes.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "elizabeth" |
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06 Oct 2007 12:28:44 PM |
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On Oct 5, 6:03 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Huh? Are you on drugs? Should you be? Legal abortion is an elective
procedure women choose, and they are performed by qualified medical
professionals. Such abortions are specifically eliminated in
California's murder codes. It's never legal to murder a woman!
Killing a pregnant woman to avoid paternal responsibility is a common
crime, has been for eons. In fact, in the bible, if a man denounced
his wife, she'd be stoned to death as an adulteress, with her
misbegotten fetus.
snip> Also, as a side note, in a patriarchal system, when a woman
became
pregnant, it was a man's job to support her.
Nope. He could kick her out for just about any reason. Even a
suspician of infidelity could be used to force an abortion (Numbers
5:11-31)
In other words, if she
got pregnant, he got pregnant. Even in these systems, abortion is
frowned down upon by both men and women. So it confuses me when you
make such statements.
Abortion was common, and considered nobody's business but the woman--
unless the husband made her get one.
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06 Oct 2007 10:14:28 PM |
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On Oct 6, 9:28 am, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:03 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Huh? Are you on drugs? Should you be? Legal abortion is an elective
procedure women choose, and they are performed by qualified medical
professionals. Such abortions are specifically eliminated in
California's murder codes. It's never legal to murder a woman!
You misunderstood the topic and the statements. I added soc.men back
to the newsgroup so you can trace the threads.
California law states that if you kill a 10 week old fetus, then the
crime is murder. However, the abortion of a 10 week fetus is not
murder nor a crime. We were discussing this hypocrisy.
Killing a pregnant woman to avoid paternal responsibility is a common
crime, has been for eons.
Maybe it's time to give a choice for men. After all, you girls were
murdering newborns so they gave you safe haven laws, maybe it's time
to give men at least one post-coital option of not being a parent.
<snip useless non-supported false claims that have nothing to do with
this topic>
Regards...
Regards...
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09 Oct 2007 11:22:17 PM |
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<agsf_57@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:28 am, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:03 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Huh? Are you on drugs? Should you be? Legal abortion is an elective
procedure women choose, and they are performed by qualified medical
professionals. Such abortions are specifically eliminated in
California's murder codes. It's never legal to murder a woman!
You misunderstood the topic and the statements. I added soc.men back
to the newsgroup so you can trace the threads.
California law states that if you kill a 10 week old fetus, then the
crime is murder. However, the abortion of a 10 week fetus is not
murder nor a crime. We were discussing this hypocrisy.
It is no more "hypocrisy" than laws make forced sex a crime and
willing sex not a crime.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Andre Lieven" |
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09 Oct 2007 11:31:36 PM |
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On Oct 10, 12:22 am, (Rabid Flounderer) weaseled:
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:28 am, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:03 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Huh? Are you on drugs? Should you be? Legal abortion is an elective
procedure women choose, and they are performed by qualified medical
professionals. Such abortions are specifically eliminated in
California's murder codes. It's never legal to murder a woman!
You misunderstood the topic and the statements. I added soc.men back
to the newsgroup so you can trace the threads.
California law states that if you kill a 10 week old fetus, then the
crime is murder. However, the abortion of a 10 week fetus is not
murder nor a crime. We were discussing this hypocrisy.
It is no more "hypocrisy" than laws make forced sex a crime and
willing sex not a crime.
Sex is a natural human function. Abortion is not. Ergo, your idiotic
attempt to link them must fail.
Now, if an abortion were a natural human function... No one would need
doctors and laws to make it possible. Duh.
Andre
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Oct 2007 12:31:27 AM |
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***** Lieven <andrelieven@yahoo.ca> shat:
On Oct 10, 12:22 am,
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:28 am, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:03 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
snip
The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Huh? Are you on drugs? Should you be? Legal abortion is an elective
procedure women choose, and they are performed by qualified medical
professionals. Such abortions are specifically eliminated in
California's murder codes. It's never legal to murder a woman!
You misunderstood the topic and the statements. I added soc.men back
to the newsgroup so you can trace the threads.
California law states that if you kill a 10 week old fetus, then the
crime is murder. However, the abortion of a 10 week fetus is not
murder nor a crime. We were discussing this hypocrisy.
It is no more "hypocrisy" than laws make forced sex a crime and
willing sex not a crime.
Sex is a natural human function.
Non sequitur.
Abortion is not.
Incorrect opinion and irrelevant.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Andre Lieven" |
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10 Oct 2007 01:04:15 AM |
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On Oct 10, 1:31 am, (Rabid Fulminator) futilely
screeched:
Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> shat:
On Oct 10, 12:22 am,
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:28 am, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:03 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
snip
The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Huh? Are you on drugs? Should you be? Legal abortion is an elective
procedure women choose, and they are performed by qualified medical
professionals. Such abortions are specifically eliminated in
California's murder codes. It's never legal to murder a woman!
You misunderstood the topic and the statements. I added soc.men back
to the newsgroup so you can trace the threads.
California law states that if you kill a 10 week old fetus, then the
crime is murder. However, the abortion of a 10 week fetus is not
murder nor a crime. We were discussing this hypocrisy.
It is no more "hypocrisy" than laws make forced sex a crime and
willing sex not a crime.
Sex is a natural human function.
Non sequitur.
Error. Yours. Again.
Abortion is not.
Incorrect opinion
<Laughs> No proof EVER offered ? Kook loon claim fails.
and irrelevant.
Thats just you... Ptui.
Andre
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Oct 2007 11:00:11 PM |
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***** Lieven <andrelieven@yahoo.ca> farted
Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> shat:
On Oct 10, 12:22 am,
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:28 am, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:03 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Huh? Are you on drugs? Should you be? Legal abortion is an elective
procedure women choose, and they are performed by qualified medical
professionals. Such abortions are specifically eliminated in
California's murder codes. It's never legal to murder a woman!
You misunderstood the topic and the statements. I added soc.men back
to the newsgroup so you can trace the threads.
California law states that if you kill a 10 week old fetus, then the
crime is murder. However, the abortion of a 10 week fetus is not
murder nor a crime. We were discussing this hypocrisy.
It is no more "hypocrisy" than laws make forced sex a crime and
willing sex not a crime.
Sex is a natural human function.
Non sequitur.
Error. Yours. Again.
No proof offered. Usual *****.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Oct 2007 12:56:23 PM |
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***** Lieven <andrelieven@yahoo.ca> farted:
On Oct 10, 1:31 am,
Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> shat:
On Oct 10, 12:22 am,
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:28 am, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:03 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
snip
The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Huh? Are you on drugs? Should you be? Legal abortion is an elective
procedure women choose, and they are performed by qualified medical
professionals. Such abortions are specifically eliminated in
California's murder codes. It's never legal to murder a woman!
You misunderstood the topic and the statements. I added soc.men back
to the newsgroup so you can trace the threads.
California law states that if you kill a 10 week old fetus, then the
crime is murder. However, the abortion of a 10 week fetus is not
murder nor a crime. We were discussing this hypocrisy.
It is no more "hypocrisy" than laws make forced sex a crime and
willing sex not a crime.
Sex is a natural human function.
Non sequitur.
Error. Yours. Again.
Unsupported claim dismissed as pro-liar whining.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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11 Oct 2007 12:15:27 AM |
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On Oct 9, 10:04 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Oct 10, 1:31 am, (Rabid Fulminator) futilely
screeched:
Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> shat:
On Oct 10, 12:22 am,
<agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:28 am, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:03 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
snip
The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Huh? Are you on drugs? Should you be? Legal abortion is an elective
procedure women choose, and they are performed by qualified medical
professionals. Such abortions are specifically eliminated in
California's murder codes. It's never legal to murder a woman!
You misunderstood the topic and the statements. I added soc.men back
to the newsgroup so you can trace the threads.
California law states that if you kill a 10 week old fetus, then the
crime is murder. However, the abortion of a 10 week fetus is not
murder nor a crime. We were discussing this hypocrisy.
It is no more "hypocrisy" than laws make forced sex a crime and
willing sex not a crime.
Sex is a natural human function.
Non sequitur.
Error. Yours. Again.
Haha, he's calling a fallacy on his own fallacy!
Abortion is not.
Incorrect opinion
<Laughs> No proof EVER offered ? Kook loon claim fails.
You see, Ray has it mixed up. A doctor's involvement makes things
natural. For example, he thinks sex is natural only when his doctor
gives him a prostate exam.
and irrelevant.
Thats just you... Ptui.
Andre
Regards...
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11 Oct 2007 01:42:58 AM |
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On Oct 11, 1:15 am, wrote:
On Oct 9, 10:04 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Oct 10, 1:31 am, (Rabid Fulminator) futilely
screeched:
Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> shat:
On Oct 10, 12:22 am,
< > wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:28 am, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:03 pm, " " <> wrote:
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The subject matter was the hypocrisy of laws in which an abortion is
legal in one instance and then considered murder in another instance.
Huh? Are you on drugs? Should you be? Legal abortion is an elective
procedure women choose, and they are performed by qualified medical
professionals. Such abortions are specifically eliminated in
California's murder codes. It's never legal to murder a woman!
You misunderstood the topic and the statements. I added soc.men back
to the newsgroup so you can trace the threads.
California law states that if you kill a 10 week old fetus, then the
crime is murder. However, the abortion of a 10 week fetus is not
murder nor a crime. We were discussing this hypocrisy.
It is no more "hypocrisy" than laws make forced sex a crime and
willing sex not a crime.
Sex is a natural human function.
Non sequitur.
Error. Yours. Again.
Haha, he's calling a fallacy on his own fallacy!
Indeed. His brain destroying fetish causes him to make kindergarten
level errors.
Abortion is not.
Incorrect opinion
<Laughs> No proof EVER offered ? Kook loon claim fails.
You see, Ray has it mixed up. A doctor's involvement makes things
natural. For example, he thinks sex is natural only when his doctor
gives him a prostate exam.
Quite. If their claims held a shred of truth, and they do not, there
would
be AbZero need for " legal " abortion, and/or medical practitioners to
perform abortions.
Next, Rabid Fishface will be demanding legal excreting assistance...
and irrelevant.
Thats just you... Ptui.
Andre
Regards...
Andre
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| User: "elizabeth" |
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10 Oct 2007 04:11:48 PM |
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On Oct 9, 9:31 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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Sex is a natural human function. Abortion is not. Ergo, your idiotic
attempt to link them must fail.
Now, if an abortion were a natural human function... No one would need
doctors and laws to make it possible. Duh.
Actually, abortion is a natural function. Most zygotes don't implant,
and a huge percentage of early pregnancies self terminate, and
spontaneous abortions and fetal death are regular occurences.
It's quite common, you know. Nature is wasteful when it comes to
reproduction, which you'd know if you had even basic exposure to
biological science.
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10 Oct 2007 08:26:13 PM |
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On Oct 10, 1:11 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 9, 9:31 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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Sex is a natural human function. Abortion is not. Ergo, your idiotic
attempt to link them must fail.
Now, if an abortion were a natural human function... No one would need
doctors and laws to make it possible. Duh.
Actually, abortion is a natural function.
Yes, abortion is natural. Shoving an Oreck in you is just as natural
as douching with Summer's Eve. I wonder why it's even a debate or an
issue.
Regards...
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11 Oct 2007 12:53:32 PM |
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On Oct 10, 6:26 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 10, 1:11 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Actually, abortion is a natural function.
Yes, abortion is natural. Shoving an Oreck in you is just as natural
as douching with Summer's Eve. I wonder why it's even a debate or an
issue.
Ripping your balls off with a pliers is very natural, and would
prevent your DNA from polluting the gene pool.
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| User: "Andre Lieven" |
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11 Oct 2007 02:25:28 PM |
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On Oct 11, 1:53 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 10, 6:26 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 10, 1:11 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Actually, abortion is a natural function.
Yes, abortion is natural. Shoving an Oreck in you is just as natural
as douching with Summer's Eve. I wonder why it's even a debate or an
issue.
Ripping your balls off with a pliers is very natural, and would
prevent your DNA from polluting the gene pool.
Thank you for proving that women are, *at least*, as violent as
any men.
Also, for your latest concession on the *topic*.
" If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be
living in grass huts. " Camille Paglia, " Sex, Art and American
Culture ", introduction.
Andre
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12 Oct 2007 09:05:55 PM |
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Andre Lieven wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:53 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 10, 6:26 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 10, 1:11 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Actually, abortion is a natural function.
Yes, abortion is natural. Shoving an Oreck in you is just as natural
as douching with Summer's Eve. I wonder why it's even a debate or an
issue.
Ripping your balls off with a pliers is very natural, and would
prevent your DNA from polluting the gene pool.
Thank you for proving that women are, *at least*, as violent as
any men.
Also, for your latest concession on the *topic*.
" If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be
living in grass huts. " Camille Paglia, " Sex, Art and American
Culture ", introduction.
As much as I like and admire Paglia, I disagree...I don't think we'd
have made it all the way to grass huts...probably just very nicely
decorated caves...
....Ken
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| User: "Andre Lieven" |
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15 Oct 2007 03:58:38 PM |
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On Oct 12, 10:05 pm, Ken Chaddock <chadd...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Andre Lieven wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:53 pm, elizabeth <efran...@lunatic.cow> screeched:
On Oct 10, 6:26 pm, "agsf...@yahoo.com" <agsf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 10, 1:11 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Actually, abortion is a natural function.
Yes, abortion is natural. Shoving an Oreck in you is just as natural
as douching with Summer's Eve. I wonder why it's even a debate or an
issue.
Ripping your balls off with a pliers is very natural, and would
prevent your DNA from polluting the gene pool.
Thank you for proving that women are, *at least*, as violent as
any men.
Also, for your latest concession on the *topic*.
" If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be
living in grass huts. " Camille Paglia, " Sex, Art and American
Culture ", introduction.
As much as I like and admire Paglia, I disagree...I don't think we'd
have made it all the way to grass huts...probably just very nicely
decorated caves...
True. But, how nicely could they have been decorated, until some men
invented Crate & Barrel ? <g>
Andre
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
12 Oct 2007 03:22:30 PM |
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On Oct 11, 12:25 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:53 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Yes, abortion is natural. Shoving an Oreck in you is just as natural
as douching with Summer's Eve. I wonder why it's even a debate or an
issue.
Ripping your balls off with a pliers is very natural, and would
prevent your DNA from polluting the gene pool.
Thank you for proving that women are, *at least*, as violent as
any men.
I wish women were as violent as men--you would get back exactly what
you deserve--a post natal abortion.
Also, for your latest concession on the *topic*.
" If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be
living in grass huts. " Camille Paglia, " Sex, Art and American
Culture ", introduction.
Andre
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
12 Oct 2007 05:02:10 PM |
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"elizabeth" <efrantes@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192220550.415486.111880@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 11, 12:25 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:53 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Yes, abortion is natural. Shoving an Oreck in you is just as natural
as douching with Summer's Eve. I wonder why it's even a debate or an
issue.
Ripping your balls off with a pliers is very natural, and would
prevent your DNA from polluting the gene pool.
Thank you for proving that women are, *at least*, as violent as
any men.
I wish women were as violent as men--you would get back exactly what
you deserve--a post natal abortion.
Also, for your latest concession on the *topic*.
" If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be
living in grass huts. " Camille Paglia, " Sex, Art and American
Culture ", introduction.
Andre
Please, you actually think that men are more violent than women. Do some
research and turn off Oprah.
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
13 Oct 2007 12:22:06 PM |
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On Oct 12, 3:02 pm, "Ranting" <r...@rant.com> wrote:
"elizabeth" <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192220550.415486.111880@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 11, 12:25 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:53 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Yes, abortion is natural. Shoving an Oreck in you is just as natural
as douching with Summer's Eve. I wonder why it's even a debate or an
issue.
Ripping your balls off with a pliers is very natural, and would
prevent your DNA from polluting the gene pool.
Thank you for proving that women are, *at least*, as violent as
any men.
I wish women were as violent as men--you would get back exactly what
you deserve--a post natal abortion.
Also, for your latest concession on the *topic*.
" If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be
living in grass huts. " Camille Paglia, " Sex, Art and American
Culture ", introduction.
Paglia is an old ***** with no customers, and she panders to men
because she hates herself. She doesn't speak for me any more then I
speak for her.
Andre
Please, you actually think that men are more violent than women. Do some
research and turn off Oprah
I hate Oprah, because she's one of the old whores who pimps other
women for her own benefit.
When as many men are killed/injured by women as women are men, you
might have a point .. . but we are a long way from parity. I'd've
preferred men become less violent, but since most men appear to
understand only Mutually Assured Destruction, so long as they know
they can get away with abusing women, they will continue to do so.
I suppose that means that the DoJ, FBI, INTERPOL, and all other law
enforcement/criminal just systems are run by Oprah et al, because they
insist that men are far more violent. How did you men get to be such
pussies that even manlymen like cops disagree with you?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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13 Oct 2007 12:38:25 PM |
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elizabeth <efrantes@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ranting" <r...@rant.com> wrote:
Please, you actually think that men are more violent than women. Do some
research and turn off Oprah
I hate Oprah, because she's one of the old whores who pimps other
women for her own benefit.
When as many men are killed/injured by women as women are men, you
might have a point .. . but we are a long way from parity.
Women are as violent as men, but men are stronger and are more
inclined to make it count.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Andre Lieven" |
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15 Oct 2007 03:55:30 PM |
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On Oct 12, 4:22 pm, elizabeth <efran...@murderous.cow> screeched
emptily:
On Oct 11, 12:25 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:53 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
snip
Yes, abortion is natural. Shoving an Oreck in you is just as natural
as douching with Summer's Eve. I wonder why it's even a debate or an
issue.
Ripping your balls off with a pliers is very natural, and would
prevent your DNA from polluting the gene pool.
Thank you for proving that women are, *at least*, as violent as
any men.
I wish women were as violent as men--you would get back exactly what
you deserve--a post natal abortion.
Ah, so you are a violent loon, who is too UNable to do anything
about it, and who wishes that she could ape her betters.
Thank you for your concession that women ARE *inferior* to men.
Also, for your latest concession on the *topic*.
" If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be
living in grass huts. " Camille Paglia, " Sex, Art and American
Culture ", introduction.
Andre
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| User: "elizabeth" |
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15 Oct 2007 08:48:17 PM |
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On Oct 15, 1:55 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Oct 12, 4:22 pm, elizabeth <efran...@murderous.cow> screeched
I wish women were as violent as men--you would get back exactly what
you deserve--a post natal abortion.
Ah, so you are a violent loon, who is too UNable to do anything
about it, and who wishes that she could ape her betters.
So being violent is being better?
Thank you for your concession that women ARE *inferior* to men.
Your mother is inferior to a dog, but not all of us are like her.
Just like not all men are as disgusting and full of ***** as you.
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| User: "Andre Lieven" |
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15 Oct 2007 11:16:11 PM |
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On Oct 15, 9:48 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hysterical.cow> rubbed her
feces:
On Oct 15, 1:55 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Oct 12, 4:22 pm, elizabeth <efran...@murderous.cow> screeched
I wish women were as violent as men--you would get back exactly what
you deserve--a post natal abortion.
Ah, so you are a violent loon, who is too UNable to do anything
about it, and who wishes that she could ape her betters.
So being violent is being better?
As YOU wished that YOU could be violent, thats a question for
YOURself...
Thank you for your concession that women ARE *inferior* to men.
Your mother is inferior to a dog, but not all of us are like her.
<Massive Loon Projection>
Thank you for proving your *misogyny*, in addition to your proven
misandry. Since you hate both sexes, you need to kill yourself
as soon as possible. That way, your objects of hate, which include
yourself, will not bother you any longer.
Just like not all men are as disgusting and full of ***** as you.
<Massive Loon Projection>
Thank you for your latest concession on the topic.
" Her body, her Choice... HER *responsibility*. "
Andre
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| User: "elizabeth" |
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16 Oct 2007 02:39:19 PM |
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On Oct 15, 9:16 pm, Andre Lieven,son of a sow and a pit bull who
should have been aborted> wrote:
castrate post \
So being violent is being better?
As YOU wished that YOU could be violent, thats a question for
YOURself...
Try answering the question. I am in favor of deadly force in self
defense only. So if men don't want me killing them, leave me alone.
So you feel that male unprovoked violence proves superiority of men?
Thank you for your concession that women ARE *inferior* to men.
Your mother is inferior to a dog, but not all of us are like her.
<Massive Loon Projection>
So you have no responses and thus concede my points.
Thank you for proving your *misogyny*, in addition to your proven
misandry.
I am a *MISANTHROPE*. Which means I am equal in my dislike of stupid
sows and the stupid dogs they *****, like the subhuman scum who fucked
and caused you.
Since you hate both sexes, you need to kill yourself
as soon as possible. That way, your objects of hate, which include
yourself, will not bother you any longer.
Nope. It means that I should kill off the lesser beings, like you.
I'd prefer they abort cuntdroppings like you.
Just like not all men are as disgusting and full of ***** as you.
<Massive Loon Projection>
Thank you for your latest concession on the topic.
Thank you for proving you can't respond rationally to the topic.
" Her body, her Choice... HER *responsibility*. "
Fine, then NO TAXPAYERS SHOULD HAVE TO FUND THE RAISING OF THAT CHILD.
Ban all tax breaks, all benefits given to breeders, since it was THEIR
choice to breed, not MINE. and let YOUR children die on the streets.
Or you can sell them into slavery, I don't care. Why should taxpayers
fund YOUR choice to be a deaadbeat?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and mental health: The link we cannot ignore |
16 Oct 2007 05:23:10 PM |
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On Oct 16, 3:39 pm, elizabeth <efran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 15, 9:16 pm, Andre Lieven,son of a sow and a pit bull who
should have been aborted> wrote:
castrate post \
So being violent is being better?
As YOU wished that YOU could be violent, thats a question for
YOURself...
Try answering the question. I am in favor of deadly force in self
defense only. So if men don't want me killing them, leave me alone.
So you feel that male unprovoked violence proves superiority of men?
Try not to sugarcoat what you said. You said, and you've said it
before so it wasn't simply a mis-statement, that women *should* kill
someone attempting to rape them. That is *NOT* equivalent to being
"in favor of deadly force in self defense only."
Thank you for your concession that women ARE *inferior* to men.
Your mother is inferior to a dog, but not all of us are like her.
<Massive Loon Projection>
So you have no responses and thus concede my points.
Why should he bother actually responding to base insults? Saying
"your mother is inferior to a dog" is not a point, and ignoring it is
taking the high road, not conceding.
Thank you for proving your *misogyny*, in addition to your proven
misandry.
I am a *MISANTHROPE*. Which means I am equal in my dislike of stupid
sows and the stupid dogs they *****, like the subhuman scum who fucked
and caused you.
Your actions belie your words, as in practice you are far far more
critical of men than of women. In fact, your only criticism of women
boils down to the men those women are with. This is, in fact, fairly
typical of feminists. You aren't the first to disingenously claim an
egalitarian attitude because you equally dislike men who are scum and
women who marry men who are scum. It's absurd.
Since you hate both sexes, you need to kill yourself
as soon as possible. That way, your objects of hate, which include
yourself, will not bother you any longer.
Nope. It means that I should kill off the lesser beings, like you.
I'd prefer they abort cuntdroppings like you.
I thought you only advocated violence in self defense. Oops. At
least wait until you're on another post before blatantly proving
yourself to be a liar.
Just like not all men are as disgusting and full of ***** as you.
<Massive Loon Projection>
Thank you for your latest concession on the topic.
Thank you for proving you can't respond rationally to the topic.
There is no rational response to your ravings.
" Her body, her Choice... HER *responsibility*. "
Fine, then NO TAXPAYERS SHOULD HAVE TO FUND THE RAISING OF THAT CHILD.
Yes, brilliant idea. We will ensure the development and advancement
of the human race by dumping all infants in the street to fend for
themselves.
Ban all tax breaks, all benefits given to breeders, since it was THEIR
choice to breed, not MINE. and let YOUR children die on the streets.
Or you can sell them into slavery, I don't care. Why should taxpayers
fund YOUR choice to be a deaadbeat?
It's called the social contract. We, as members of society surrender
some of freedoms and submit ourselves to the laws of the whole in
order that society might benefit and that we, as members of that
society, will benefit as well. But if you would prefer living as a
hermit, be my guest.
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| User: "Blue Sun" |
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17 Oct 2007 10:34:01 PM |
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Does anybody know the history of abortion in the Catholic Church? For
example, what was the original doctrine of "delayed ensoulment?" Or,
when was it officially recognized that human life began at conception?
Does any modern Catholic know that, except for three years in the 16th
century, the fetus was not officially considered human and granted a
soul until "quickening," at around 16 weeks, somewhere in the second
trimester?
Does any modern Christian know that it wasn't until 1869 that Pope Pius
IX declared that a soul was imparted at birth and that all intentional
termination of pregnancy, no matter how early, was the killing of a
human being?
Does any of today's Christians understand that Pius IX only declared
this as part of a bargain to get Napolean III (who was worried about a
100 year decline in the French birth rate) to support his claim of Papal
Infallability? Or that ensoulment at conception didn't become a part
of the official Canon until 1919 - almost two millenia after
Christianity first arose?
Do you know what Saint Augustine had to say about abortion? Does
anybody know that he believed that abortion was not a sin during the
first 40 days of a male fetus's existence and the first 90 days of a
female's existence? And that, past that period, the penance for
abortion was no greater than that for "spilling your seed," (masturbation)?
So much for the eternal verities of christianity.
"The main difference between the atheist and the theist is that the
atheist believes in one less god than the theist."
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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18 Oct 2007 12:01:52 PM |
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Blue Sun <blue.sun@comcast.net> wrote:
Does anybody know the history of abortion in the Catholic Church? For
example, what was the original doctrine of "delayed ensoulment?" Or,
when was it officially recognized that human life began at conception?
As far as I know, the Catholic Church has never officially declared
that human life begins at conception.
Does any modern Catholic know that, except for three years in the 16th
century, the fetus was not officially considered human and granted a
soul until "quickening," at around 16 weeks, somewhere in the second
trimester?
Does any modern Christian know that it wasn't until 1869 that Pope Pius
IX declared that a soul was imparted at birth and that all intentional
termination of pregnancy, no matter how early, was the killing of a
human being?
Does any of today's Christians understand that Pius IX only declared
this as part of a bargain to get Napolean III (who was worried about a
100 year decline in the French birth rate) to support his claim of Papal
Infallability? Or that ensoulment at conception didn't become a part
of the official Canon until 1919 - almost two millenia after
Christianity first arose?
Do you know what Saint Augustine had to say about abortion? Does
anybody know that he believed that abortion was not a sin during the
first 40 days of a male fetus's existence and the first 90 days of a
female's existence? And that, past that period, the penance for
abortion was no greater than that for "spilling your seed," (masturbation)?
So much for the eternal verities of christianity.
"The main difference between the atheist and the theist is that the
atheist believes in one less god than the theist."
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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