Science > Abortion > Re: Abortion has gone too far, says man who changed law
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05 Jul 2004 12:41:29 PM |
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Re: Abortion has gone too far, says man who changed law |
Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
The Sunday Times, July 4, 2004, http://www.timesonline.co.uk
Abortion has gone too far, says man who changed law
by
Sarah-Kate Templeton and Lois Rogers
DAVID STEEL, the architect of Britain's abortion laws, has called for
the legal limit for terminations for "social" reasons to be cut to
just 12 weeks.
Smirk. Another pro-lie control freak who thinks that pregnant women
need to be told what to do.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Harry Ballsac..a. Harry" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion has gone too far, says man who changed law |
05 Jul 2004 02:58:21 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
The Sunday Times, July 4, 2004, http://www.timesonline.co.uk
Abortion has gone too far, says man who changed law
by
Sarah-Kate Templeton and Lois Rogers
DAVID STEEL, the architect of Britain's abortion laws, has called for
the legal limit for terminations for "social" reasons to be cut to
just 12 weeks.
Smirk. Another pro-lie control freak who thinks that pregnant women
need to be told what to do.
And yet here's another socialist feminist nerd, who believes children are
just property, for women to kill when ever it suits their stupidity.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "geopelia" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion has gone too far, says man who changed law |
05 Jul 2004 04:58:31 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac..a." <Harry
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
The Sunday Times, July 4, 2004, http://www.timesonline.co.uk
Abortion has gone too far, says man who changed law
by
Sarah-Kate Templeton and Lois Rogers
DAVID STEEL, the architect of Britain's abortion laws, has called for
the legal limit for terminations for "social" reasons to be cut to
just 12 weeks.
Smirk. Another pro-lie control freak who thinks that pregnant women
need to be told what to do.
And yet here's another socialist feminist nerd, who believes children are
just property, for women to kill when ever it suits their stupidity.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
The new ultrasound pictures do not show just how small an early foetus is,
or how undeveloped the brain is. They appear to show a conscious being
moving around, but that of course is not the case at 12 weeks.
I am sorry for women who have had early abortions and may be upset by these
pictures. They need to know there was no consciousness and no possibility of
any pain at that stage.
Geopelia
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| User: "Steenkin Man" |
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05 Jul 2004 05:17:26 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:58:31 +1200, "geopelia" <phildoran@xtra.co.nz>
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The new ultrasound pictures do not show just how small an early foetus is,
The height of the baby is unimportant.
or how undeveloped the brain is. They appear to show a conscious being
moving around, but that of course is not the case at 12 weeks.
Consciousness is only a matter of definition to you abortionists.
I am sorry for women who have had early abortions and may be upset by these
pictures. They need to know there was no consciousness and no possibility of
any pain at that stage.
Some surgeons who perform abortions now insist on anaesthetising the
baby before sucking its brains through its eyes.
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num tibi mentireris?
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| User: "geopelia" |
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05 Jul 2004 10:03:41 PM |
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"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:58:31 +1200, "geopelia" <phildoran@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
The new ultrasound pictures do not show just how small an early foetus
is,
The height of the baby is unimportant.
or how undeveloped the brain is. They appear to show a conscious being
moving around, but that of course is not the case at 12 weeks.
Consciousness is only a matter of definition to you abortionists.
I am sorry for women who have had early abortions and may be upset by
these
pictures. They need to know there was no consciousness and no possibility
of
any pain at that stage.
Some surgeons who perform abortions now insist on anaesthetising the
baby before sucking its brains through its eyes.
That would be for an abortion at a later stage. Don't they suck out the
brain through the base of the skull, in the partial birth abortion? At
twelve weeks there is only a tiny rudimentary brain that doesn't need
sucking out.
If there is any possibility that a foetus can feel pain in a late abortion
of course it should be anaesthetised.
It used to be thought that a newborn could not feel pain because that was
something that had to be "learnt". Baby boys were sometimes circumcised
without anaesthetics routinely in hospitals.
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num tibi mentireris?
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| User: "Steenkin Man" |
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06 Jul 2004 01:03:03 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:03:41 +1200, "geopelia" <phildoran@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:58:31 +1200, "geopelia" <phildoran@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
The new ultrasound pictures do not show just how small an early foetus
is,
The height of the baby is unimportant.
or how undeveloped the brain is. They appear to show a conscious being
moving around, but that of course is not the case at 12 weeks.
Consciousness is only a matter of definition to you abortionists.
I am sorry for women who have had early abortions and may be upset by
these
pictures. They need to know there was no consciousness and no possibility
of
any pain at that stage.
Some surgeons who perform abortions now insist on anaesthetising the
baby before sucking its brains through its eyes.
That would be for an abortion at a later stage. Don't they suck out the
brain through the base of the skull, in the partial birth abortion? At
twelve weeks there is only a tiny rudimentary brain that doesn't need
sucking out.
If there is any possibility that a foetus can feel pain in a late abortion
of course it should be anaesthetised.
"If the ability to feel pain is sufficiently characteristic of a
conscious human being for it to be wrong to disregard such pain, as
Prof Glover concedes, then how can it be right, first, to deprive the
foetus of that consciousness, and then to kill it?
"If the foetus is a person, with human rights, then to kill it is
murder; if it is not a person and has no rights, then why should it be
anaesthetised like a person? The legitimate purpose of anaesthesia is
to lessen the patient's suffering, not to facilitate his violent
death.
"Man's inhumanity to unborn humanity demands that medical science ease
society's bad conscience by what one might call moral anaesthesia. The
obsession with "foetal awareness" of pain is what Freud called
displacement, a repression of the deeper anxiety about the wanton
destruction of "unwanted" life itself."
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2000/09/02/do01.xml
It used to be thought that a newborn could not feel pain because that was
something that had to be "learnt". Baby boys were sometimes circumcised
without anaesthetics routinely in hospitals.
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num tibi mentireris?
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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06 Jul 2004 09:53:51 PM |
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"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Man's inhumanity to unborn humanity demands that medical science ease
society's bad conscience by what one might call moral anaesthesia.
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Why aren't you hounding them to get those fetal incubators developed and out
there to save all those unwanted fetuses? You can buy one yourself, and
start saving a new fetus every year.
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FPower.......
You still haven't told us how YOU plan to enforce monthly
pregnancy tests on all women and where and how you will confine them for the
9 months.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Jul 2004 12:26:27 PM |
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geopelia <phildoran@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
That would be for an abortion at a later stage. Don't they suck out the
brain through the base of the skull, in the partial birth abortion? At
twelve weeks there is only a tiny rudimentary brain that doesn't need
sucking out.
No wonder you're a pro-liar - you're stupid.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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06 Jul 2004 09:50:09 PM |
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"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:58:31 +1200, "geopelia" <phildoran@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
Some surgeons who perform abortions now insist on anaesthetising the
baby before sucking its brains through its eyes.
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How do they suck a non yet existent brain through teeny unformed eyes on a
1" zygote/fetus? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Flower Power........
What an abortion REALLY looks like.
http://www.angelfire.com/pq/pepsii/nuva.html
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06 Jul 2004 11:15:20 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 21:50:09 -0500, "Flower Power"
<IndependantWomen@Ladies.net> wrote:
"Steenkin Man" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:58:31 +1200, "geopelia" <phildoran@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
Some surgeons who perform abortions now insist on anaesthetising the
baby before sucking its brains through its eyes.
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How do they suck a non yet existent brain through teeny unformed eyes on a
1" zygote/fetus? Inquiring minds want to know.
"Access to the cranium is via the orbital sockets. The vacu-pipette is
placed in the chosen orbit and held firmly when power is applied. Care
must be taken..."
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num tibi mentireris?
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| User: "Society" |
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06 Jul 2004 05:46:38 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac..a." <Harry
Ballsac..a.@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in message
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Ray Fischer belched...
Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
The Sunday Times, July 4, 2004, http://www.timesonline.co.uk
Abortion has gone too far,
says man who changed law
by Sarah-Kate Templeton and Lois Rogers
DAVID STEEL, the architect of Britain's
abortion laws, has called for the legal limit
for terminations for "social" reasons
to be cut to just 12 weeks.
Smirk. Another pro-lie control freak
Thanks, Ray, for labeling this pro-abortion
advocate "pro-lie". You let the truth out about
who really promotes lies -- the pro-aborts.
You've outed yourself, Ray.
who thinks that pregnant women
need to be told what to do.
And yet here's another socialist feminist nerd,
who believes children are just property,
for women to kill when ever it suits their stupidity.
Hey, if she can't make up her mind by twelve
weeks after her roll in the sack, she obviously
needs to be told what to do, eh? Ha ha.
Poor Ray Fischer, still the knight errant for
sexually irresponsible women and he's still
breaking his lance by trying to defend the
indefensible on behalf of those women he
considers helpless without HIM. Ha ha.
--
Feminists say women should be free to choose
whether to have or not have children.
Notice, however, that these "champions of equality"
do not demand the same freedom to choose for men.
Rod van Mechelen, Things that make you go, "hmmm"
http://www.backlash.com/content/hmmm/2002/hmmm0502.htm
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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22 Jul 2004 12:00:41 PM |
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"Society" <Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote in message
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"Harry Ballsac..a." <Harry
Ballsac..a.@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in message
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Ray Fischer belched...
Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
The Sunday Times, July 4, 2004, http://www.timesonline.co.uk
Abortion has gone too far,
says man who changed law
by Sarah-Kate Templeton and Lois Rogers
DAVID STEEL, the architect of Britain's
abortion laws, has called for the legal limit
for terminations for "social" reasons
to be cut to just 12 weeks.
Smirk. Another pro-lie control freak
Thanks, Ray, for labeling this pro-abortion
advocate "pro-lie". You let the truth out about
who really promotes lies -- the pro-aborts.
Why didn't stinky man quote the whole article? He wants Britain to have
European-style laws - abortion on request in the first trimester, only after
medical review in the second, and only for dire medical reasons in the
third.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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06 Jul 2004 09:55:46 PM |
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"Society" <Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote in message
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Feminists say women should be free to choose
whether to have or not have children.
Notice, however, that these "champions of equality"
do not demand the same freedom to choose for men.
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Soon you guys can choose to buy these "special" incubators for unwanted
fetuses. You can choose to save as many fetuses as you can afford.
FP.....
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| User: "Steenkin Man" |
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06 Jul 2004 08:12:34 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:46:38 -0700, "Society"
<Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote:
"Harry Ballsac..a." <Harry
Ballsac..a.@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in message
news:xpiGc.105358$E84.49552@edtnps89...
Ray Fischer belched...
Steenkin Man <me@privacy.net> wrote:
The Sunday Times, July 4, 2004, http://www.timesonline.co.uk
Abortion has gone too far,
says man who changed law
by Sarah-Kate Templeton and Lois Rogers
DAVID STEEL, the architect of Britain's
abortion laws, has called for the legal limit
for terminations for "social" reasons
to be cut to just 12 weeks.
Smirk. Another pro-lie control freak
Thanks, Ray, for labeling this pro-abortion
advocate "pro-lie". You let the truth out about
who really promotes lies -- the pro-aborts.
That's true. If it weren't for David Steel (Lord Steel as he is now),
there would never have been legalised abortion in Britain in 1968.
Without the UK Abortion Act (1968), Roe v Wade would have failed
because that Act was raised in the US court as an example.
Steel now believes that his Abortion Act went too far and that the
legal murder of unborn babies should be restricted to 11 or 12 weeks
into the pregnancy.
You've outed yourself, Ray.
who thinks that pregnant women
need to be told what to do.
And yet here's another socialist feminist nerd,
who believes children are just property,
for women to kill when ever it suits their stupidity.
Hey, if she can't make up her mind by twelve
weeks after her roll in the sack, she obviously
needs to be told what to do, eh? Ha ha.
Poor Ray Fischer, still the knight errant for
sexually irresponsible women and he's still
breaking his lance by trying to defend the
indefensible on behalf of those women he
considers helpless without HIM. Ha ha.
Maybe he just hates women and wants them to suffer the pangs of guilt
after they have an abortion.
--
num tibi mentireris?
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