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"Osprey" |
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29 Sep 2003 04:48:00 PM |
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Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote...
September 28, 2003
South Carolina Abortion Numbers Decline Again
by Steven Ertelt, LifeNews.com Editor
http://www.lifenews.com/state161.html
See what can happen when a state passes the very laws
which the abortion industry has spent millions of dollars
fighting in various courts?
Sure. Women who don't want to be yanked around by "right to know"
laws or waiting periods will simply go someplace else.
Fact is
Abortions are on the decline. This is good news.
Fact is
You and other pro-choice/aborts don't want that
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
30 Sep 2003 08:52:57 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote...
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote...
September 28, 2003
South Carolina Abortion Numbers Decline Again
by Steven Ertelt, LifeNews.com Editor
http://www.lifenews.com/state161.html
See what can happen when a state passes the very laws
which the abortion industry has spent millions of dollars
fighting in various courts?
Sure. Women who don't want to be yanked around by "right to know"
laws or waiting periods will simply go someplace else.
Fact is
Abortions are on the decline. This is good news.
Never said it wasn't.
Fact is
You and other pro-choice/aborts don't want that
I seem to remember you claiming that you never lie. Well, you got
your nuts caught in the wringer this time. Document or retract.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
30 Sep 2003 09:36:51 AM |
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"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0309300552.3bc6ea3c@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote...
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote...
September 28, 2003
South Carolina Abortion Numbers Decline Again
by Steven Ertelt, LifeNews.com Editor
http://www.lifenews.com/state161.html
See what can happen when a state passes the very laws
which the abortion industry has spent millions of dollars
fighting in various courts?
Sure. Women who don't want to be yanked around by "right to know"
laws or waiting periods will simply go someplace else.
Fact is
Abortions are on the decline. This is good news.
Never said it wasn't.
Fact is
You and other pro-choice/aborts don't want that
I seem to remember you claiming that you never lie. Well, you got
your nuts caught in the wringer this time. Document or retract.
I did document it. Read above
You and other pro-choice/aborts don't want that.
There...documented
Will I retract? Absolutely not.
I stand by my opinion.
Live with it, ignore it, or cry about it.
You make the choice.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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30 Sep 2003 02:42:42 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
Fact is
Abortions are on the decline. This is good news.
Never said it wasn't.
Fact is
You and other pro-choice/aborts don't want that
I seem to remember you claiming that you never lie. Well, you got
your nuts caught in the wringer this time. Document or retract.
I did document it. Read above
You and other pro-choice/aborts don't want that.
Argument by repetition. Your statement is not supported by *fact*,
Bobby.
There...documented
Will I retract? Absolutely not.
I stand by my opinion.
Your OPINION? As in
"It simply is a matter of opinion that the moment we
have conception, we have a human being." -- Bobby
Heishman, pulling the rug out from under the entire
anti-choice movement.
Well, OK. I'm willing to stipulate that opinions that are not based
on *fact* have the same credibility as a roadkill sandwich in a 5-star
restaurant. How about you?
Live with it, ignore it, or cry about it.
You make the choice.
Your opinion is not based on fact. If you don't wish to admit that
you are wrong, that's fine. Just don't expect any reasonableness or
courtesy, you smarm-infested brainfart on a stick!
Are you willing to live with that? Thanks for playing, Bobby. It's
been really dull.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
30 Sep 2003 02:46:35 PM |
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"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0309301142.1b75b10@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
Fact is
Abortions are on the decline. This is good news.
Never said it wasn't.
Fact is
You and other pro-choice/aborts don't want that
I seem to remember you claiming that you never lie. Well, you got
your nuts caught in the wringer this time. Document or retract.
I did document it. Read above
You and other pro-choice/aborts don't want that.
Argument by repetition. Your statement is not supported by *fact*,
Bobby.
There...documented
Will I retract? Absolutely not.
I stand by my opinion.
Your OPINION? As in
"It simply is a matter of opinion that the moment we
have conception, we have a human being." -- Bobby
Heishman, pulling the rug out from under the entire
anti-choice movement.
Well, OK. I'm willing to stipulate that opinions that are not based
on *fact* have the same credibility as a roadkill sandwich in a 5-star
restaurant. How about you?
Live with it, ignore it, or cry about it.
You make the choice.
Your opinion is not based on fact. If you don't wish to admit that
you are wrong, that's fine.
Like when you claimed I said a fetus is a full fledged human being?
Just don't expect any reasonableness or
courtesy, you smarm-infested brainfart on a stick!
Do you think I care?
Are you willing to live with that? Thanks for playing, Bobby. It's
been really dull.
Playing?
You don't seem to understand, this entire NG is a joke. Nothing but one fat
joke.
Almost every single person in here attacks, insults, makes claims up, and
stupid comments.
No one in here is ever serious about being reasonable, discussing the
issues, leaving out the name calling and insults.
This whole NG is a joke.
There is NO such thing as reasonable debates or discussions in here.
You, myself, everyone just about is guilty of stupid comments, insults, name
calling, and so forth.
Now, you want to admit something and be honest. That is honest. This whole
NG and just about everyone in it is a joke.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
01 Oct 2003 08:37:54 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote...
[...]
Thanks for playing, Bobby. It's been really dull.
Playing?
You don't seem to understand, this entire NG is a joke.
Nothing but one fat joke.
Translation: "I was just KIDDING. Don't take anything I say
SERIOUSLY."
Well, actually, we don't. But it seems that you take yourself all too
seriously. You should learn to laugh at yourself - otherwise you may
miss the joke of the century.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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01 Oct 2003 08:41:55 AM |
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"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0310010537.f0e821c@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote...
[...]
Thanks for playing, Bobby. It's been really dull.
Playing?
You don't seem to understand, this entire NG is a joke.
Nothing but one fat joke.
Translation: "I was just KIDDING. Don't take anything I say
SERIOUSLY."
No, Translation
Just what I said. This whole entire NG and most of the people in it are
nothing but a joke. Just people wasting time with no real seriousness to
discuss the issues.
I am willing to bet you that most of the people come to the NG's because in
real life they don't have the guts to say half the things they say in a NG
Well, actually, we don't. But it seems that you take yourself all too
seriously. You should learn to laugh at yourself - otherwise you may
miss the joke of the century.
Depends, sometimes I actually want to debate issues and learn things. But
you can't do that in this NG
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
01 Oct 2003 07:50:34 PM |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:41:55 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0310010537.f0e821c@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote...
[...]
Thanks for playing, Bobby. It's been really dull.
Playing?
You don't seem to understand, this entire NG is a joke.
Nothing but one fat joke.
Translation: "I was just KIDDING. Don't take anything I say
SERIOUSLY."
No, Translation
Just what I said. This whole entire NG and most of the people in it are
nothing but a joke. Just people wasting time with no real seriousness to
discuss the issues.
I am willing to bet you that most of the people come to the NG's because in
real life they don't have the guts to say half the things they say in a NG
Are you extrapolating from your own position, Osprey?
Well, actually, we don't. But it seems that you take yourself all too
seriously. You should learn to laugh at yourself - otherwise you may
miss the joke of the century.
Depends, sometimes I actually want to debate issues and learn things. But
you can't do that in this NG
Larry
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| User: "Osprey" |
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01 Oct 2003 08:05:20 PM |
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"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
message news:ohtmnvkf5sds87qrc0k5dopsjmm3tqgmvq@4ax.com...
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:41:55 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0310010537.f0e821c@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote...
[...]
Thanks for playing, Bobby. It's been really dull.
Playing?
You don't seem to understand, this entire NG is a joke.
Nothing but one fat joke.
Translation: "I was just KIDDING. Don't take anything I say
SERIOUSLY."
No, Translation
Just what I said. This whole entire NG and most of the people in it are
nothing but a joke. Just people wasting time with no real seriousness to
discuss the issues.
I am willing to bet you that most of the people come to the NG's because
in
real life they don't have the guts to say half the things they say in a
NG
Are you extrapolating from your own position, Osprey?
I would have ABSOLUTEY no problem telling you directly to your face my
opinions and how I feel about you.
You may have a problem though hearing it.
Well, actually, we don't. But it seems that you take yourself all too
seriously. You should learn to laugh at yourself - otherwise you may
miss the joke of the century.
Depends, sometimes I actually want to debate issues and learn things. But
you can't do that in this NG
Larry
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make obvious deletion for email
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| User: "Mothers 4 Murder" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
30 Sep 2003 04:56:41 PM |
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Osprey wrote:
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0309301142.1b75b10@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote...
Fact is
Abortions are on the decline. This is good news.
Never said it wasn't.
Fact is
You and other pro-choice/aborts don't want that
I seem to remember you claiming that you never lie. Well, you got
your nuts caught in the wringer this time. Document or retract.
I did document it. Read above
You and other pro-choice/aborts don't want that.
Argument by repetition. Your statement is not supported by *fact*,
Bobby.
There...documented
Will I retract? Absolutely not.
I stand by my opinion.
Your OPINION? As in
"It simply is a matter of opinion that the moment we
have conception, we have a human being." -- Bobby
Heishman, pulling the rug out from under the entire
anti-choice movement.
Well, OK. I'm willing to stipulate that opinions that are not based
on *fact* have the same credibility as a roadkill sandwich in a 5-star
restaurant. How about you?
Live with it, ignore it, or cry about it.
You make the choice.
Your opinion is not based on fact. If you don't wish to admit that
you are wrong, that's fine.
Like when you claimed I said a fetus is a full fledged human being?
Just don't expect any reasonableness or
courtesy, you smarm-infested brainfart on a stick!
Do you think I care?
Are you willing to live with that? Thanks for playing, Bobby. It's
been really dull.
Playing?
You don't seem to understand, this entire NG is a joke. Nothing but one fat
joke.
Almost every single person in here attacks, insults, makes claims up, and
stupid comments.
No one in here is ever serious about being reasonable, discussing the
issues, leaving out the name calling and insults.
This whole NG is a joke.
There is NO such thing as reasonable debates or discussions in here.
You, myself, everyone just about is guilty of stupid comments, insults, name
calling, and so forth.
Now, you want to admit something and be honest. That is honest. This whole
NG and just about everyone in it is a joke.
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
01 Oct 2003 03:09:29 PM |
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Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and never saw
anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any evidence that anyone
is pro-abort?
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| User: "Robert T. Simpson" |
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01 Oct 2003 04:41:33 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and never saw
anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any evidence that anyone
is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
--
Want to know what abortion looks like?
http://www.geocities.com/sassme.geo/truthis.html
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion2.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mttu.com%2Fabort-pics%2F
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontruth.com%2Fpictures.html
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Ffacelife.org%2Fcontent%2Fvideoscontent.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontv.com%2Fsilentscream.htm
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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01 Oct 2003 09:40:01 PM |
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"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and
never saw anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any
evidence that anyone is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
are you still trying to pass off that bogus definition?
heh.
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of misrepresenting
terms to express bogus arguments.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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01 Oct 2003 09:41:37 PM |
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On 2 Oct 2003 02:40:01 GMT, "james g. keegan jr."
<keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and
never saw anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any
evidence that anyone is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
are you still trying to pass off that bogus definition?
heh.
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of misrepresenting
terms to express bogus arguments.
And yet they still do it. How such basic English grammar can be such a
mystery to Robby and Bobby, I don't know.
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"I contend that we are both atheists.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the
other possible gods, you will understand why
I dismiss yours."
- Stephen Roberts
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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01 Oct 2003 10:01:42 PM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in
news:v14nnvcrpqkoe6b8b9l7mf5tvj6m28i20s@4ax.com:
On 2 Oct 2003 02:40:01 GMT, "james g. keegan jr."
<keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and
never saw anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any
evidence that anyone is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
are you still trying to pass off that bogus definition?
heh.
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of
misrepresenting terms to express bogus arguments.
And yet they still do it. How such basic English grammar can
be such a mystery to Robby and Bobby, I don't know.
they still do it because there is no credible method which can be
used to argue the anti-choice position. misrepresentations,
guile, dishonesty: these are the only tools left for such a
corrupt position
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| User: "Robert T. Simpson" |
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02 Oct 2003 09:45:06 AM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and
never saw anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any
evidence that anyone is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
are you still trying to pass off that bogus definition?
heh.
Hmmm. Dictionaries define pro-abortion as supporting legal abortion,
but Keegan says it's wrong. Who do I believe? Several dictionaries
defining pro-abortion the same way, or a pro-choice activist? Hmmm.
Very hard choice. NOT!!
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of misrepresenting
terms to express bogus arguments.
Hmmm. Dictionary confirms me definition of pro-abortion, but is
rejected by Keegan, who has his own definition the dictionaries do not
agree with. Yep, I'd say there's a credibility gap. And it's on your
side there, James.
--
Want to know what abortion looks like?
http://www.geocities.com/sassme.geo/truthis.html
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion2.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mttu.com%2Fabort-pics%2F
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontruth.com%2Fpictures.html
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Ffacelife.org%2Fcontent%2Fvideoscontent.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontv.com%2Fsilentscream.htm
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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02 Oct 2003 04:37:09 PM |
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"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7C3A1F.3517@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of
misrepresenting terms to express bogus arguments.
Hmmm. Dictionary confirms me definition of pro-abortion, but
is rejected by Keegan, who has his own definition the
dictionaries do not agree with. Yep, I'd say there's a
credibility gap. And it's on your side there, James.
as i said, you need to redefine terms and play semantics games to
even make the pretense of an argument to support yoru anti-choice
position.
less misrepresentrations, you have no arguments.
clearly anti choicers must falsely label pro-choicers as pro-
abortion in order to arouse the emotions of a fel illiterates who
micht actually believe the misrepresentation for a short time.
but the misrepresentations will never change the reality.
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| User: "Robert T. Simpson" |
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02 Oct 2003 10:45:37 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7C3A1F.3517@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of
misrepresenting terms to express bogus arguments.
Hmmm. Dictionary confirms me definition of pro-abortion, but
is rejected by Keegan, who has his own definition the
dictionaries do not agree with. Yep, I'd say there's a
credibility gap. And it's on your side there, James.
as i said, you need to redefine terms and play semantics games to
even make the pretense of an argument to support yoru anti-choice
position.
less misrepresentrations, you have no arguments.
clearly anti choicers must falsely label pro-choicers as pro-
abortion in order to arouse the emotions of a fel illiterates who
micht actually believe the misrepresentation for a short time.
but the misrepresentations will never change the reality.
Well for one who is supposedly so much more literate than I am, your
spelling sucks old man.
--
Want to know what abortion looks like?
http://www.geocities.com/sassme.geo/truthis.html
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion2.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mttu.com%2Fabort-pics%2F
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontruth.com%2Fpictures.html
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Ffacelife.org%2Fcontent%2Fvideoscontent.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontv.com%2Fsilentscream.htm
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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03 Oct 2003 01:55:26 PM |
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"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7CF105.45DE@excite.com:
Well for one who is supposedly so much more literate than I
am, your spelling sucks old man.
spelling flames are one of usenet's clearest admissions that you
lost an argument.
*chuckle*
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
03 Oct 2003 03:29:10 AM |
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In article <3F7C3A1F.3517@excite.com>, says...
Hmmm. Dictionaries define pro-abortion as supporting legal abortion,
Exactly... and pro-choice does NOT mean supporting abortion (legal or
illegal) OR supporting birth (legal or illegal). It means supporting the
right of the pregnant person to choose between two possible and legal
options for themself. Their body, their choice.
The pro-choice person has no preference as to which option someone else
chooses (be that birth or abortion) nor any wish to push, force, coerce
the pregnant person into a course they don't wish to take (again, be
that birth or abortion).
Pro-choice supports the right for the pregnant poerson to choose for
themselves what medical treatment they will have/not seek/accept for
their medical condition - just as every non-pregnant person has that
right for their medical conditions.
pro-choice != pro-abortion
pro-choice != pro-birth
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
02 Oct 2003 09:46:47 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:45:06 GMT, "Robert T. Simpson"
<rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and
never saw anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any
evidence that anyone is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
are you still trying to pass off that bogus definition?
heh.
Hmmm. Dictionaries define pro-abortion as supporting legal abortion,
but Keegan says it's wrong. Who do I believe? Several dictionaries
defining pro-abortion the same way, or a pro-choice activist? Hmmm.
Very hard choice. NOT!!
But supporting abortion, legal or not, isn't the same as supporting
the legality of abortion. Look, you're wrong again.
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of misrepresenting
terms to express bogus arguments.
Hmmm. Dictionary confirms me definition of pro-abortion, but is
rejected by Keegan, who has his own definition the dictionaries do not
agree with. Yep, I'd say there's a credibility gap. And it's on your
side there, James.
---
"I contend that we are both atheists.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the
other possible gods, you will understand why
I dismiss yours."
- Stephen Roberts
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| User: "Robert T. Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
02 Oct 2003 10:09:48 AM |
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Adam H. wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:45:06 GMT, "Robert T. Simpson"
<rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and
never saw anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any
evidence that anyone is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
are you still trying to pass off that bogus definition?
heh.
Hmmm. Dictionaries define pro-abortion as supporting legal abortion,
but Keegan says it's wrong. Who do I believe? Several dictionaries
defining pro-abortion the same way, or a pro-choice activist? Hmmm.
Very hard choice. NOT!!
But supporting abortion, legal or not, isn't the same as supporting
the legality of abortion. Look, you're wrong again.
Hmmm. And supporting slavery, legal or not, isn't the same as
supporting the legality of slavery. Is it, Adam?
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of misrepresenting
terms to express bogus arguments.
Hmmm. Dictionary confirms me definition of pro-abortion, but is
rejected by Keegan, who has his own definition the dictionaries do not
agree with. Yep, I'd say there's a credibility gap. And it's on your
side there, James.
---
"I contend that we are both atheists.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the
other possible gods, you will understand why
I dismiss yours."
- Stephen Roberts
--
Want to know what abortion looks like?
http://www.geocities.com/sassme.geo/truthis.html
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion2.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mttu.com%2Fabort-pics%2F
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontruth.com%2Fpictures.html
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Ffacelife.org%2Fcontent%2Fvideoscontent.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontv.com%2Fsilentscream.htm
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
03 Oct 2003 03:37:42 AM |
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In article <3F7C4037.30B@excite.com>, says...
Hmmm. And supporting slavery, legal or not, isn't the same as
supporting the legality of slavery.
No, it isn't.
It is perfectly possible (and usual) for someone to support something
being legal whilst at the same time preferring that nobody chose that
option and that nobody is coerced into following that option. It doesn't
matter whether the thing in question is slavery, abortion, religion,
capital punishment, sex-education, military action, having one's healthy
leg amputated, various political parties, voting in elections etc.
There are many things in life that someone might not wish to partake in
themselves, but wish to see avaialable legally if other people want to
choose them.
Pro-abortion means advocating abortion over birth, just as pro-birth
means advocating birth over abortion. This might be by trying to apply
legal force (such as advocating that birth be made illegal and only
abortion remain legal, or vice versa).
Pro-choice doesn't advocate either option over the other, just that
*both are and remain equally legal* options for the pregnant person to
select from according to *their* preferences, religious beliefs, morals,
ethics etc.
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| User: "Robert T. Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
03 Oct 2003 09:15:09 AM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <3F7C4037.30B@excite.com>, says...
Hmmm. And supporting slavery, legal or not, isn't the same as
supporting the legality of slavery.
No, it isn't.
It is perfectly possible (and usual) for someone to support something
being legal whilst at the same time preferring that nobody chose that
option and that nobody is coerced into following that option. It doesn't
matter whether the thing in question is slavery, abortion, religion,
capital punishment, sex-education, military action, having one's healthy
leg amputated, various political parties, voting in elections etc.
Hmmm. So it's okay to support the legality of slavery in Africa, but be
personally and morally opposed to it?
There are many things in life that someone might not wish to partake in
themselves, but wish to see avaialable legally if other people want to
choose them.
So long as such things do not physically harm another person, I do not
object.
Pro-abortion means advocating abortion over birth, just as pro-birth
means advocating birth over abortion. This might be by trying to apply
legal force (such as advocating that birth be made illegal and only
abortion remain legal, or vice versa).
You are giving your definition of abortion. The dictionaries disagree
with you.
Pro-choice doesn't advocate either option over the other, just that
*both are and remain equally legal* options for the pregnant person to
select from according to *their* preferences, religious beliefs, morals,
ethics etc.
Right. One option means life for the child, and the other means death
for the child. Gotcha!
--
Want to know what abortion looks like?
http://www.geocities.com/sassme.geo/truthis.html
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion2.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mttu.com%2Fabort-pics%2F
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontruth.com%2Fpictures.html
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Ffacelife.org%2Fcontent%2Fvideoscontent.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontv.com%2Fsilentscream.htm
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
03 Oct 2003 01:18:57 PM |
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In article <3F7D8488.1BAE@excite.com>, says...
Subject: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again
From: "Robert T. Simpson" < >
Newsgroups: talk.abortion, alt.abortion
Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <3F7C4037.30B@excite.com>, says...
Hmmm. And supporting slavery, legal or not, isn't the same as
supporting the legality of slavery.
No, it isn't.
It is perfectly possible (and usual) for someone to support something
being legal whilst at the same time preferring that nobody chose that
option and that nobody is coerced into following that option. It doesn't
matter whether the thing in question is slavery, abortion, religion,
capital punishment, sex-education, military action, having one's healthy
leg amputated, various political parties, voting in elections etc.
Hmmm. So it's okay to support the legality of slavery in Africa, but be
personally and morally opposed to it?
Is it?
That's not what I said above.
I said "It's perfectly possible...". I don't see anywhere I said that
slavery was/is "okay". That's *your* word, not mine.
Or did you think "possible" == "okay"?
It is *possible* for you to commit murder... does that mean it is *okay*
for you to commit murder?
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
02 Oct 2003 10:20:15 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:09:48 GMT, "Robert T. Simpson"
<rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote:
Adam H. wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:45:06 GMT, "Robert T. Simpson"
<rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and
never saw anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any
evidence that anyone is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
are you still trying to pass off that bogus definition?
heh.
Hmmm. Dictionaries define pro-abortion as supporting legal abortion,
but Keegan says it's wrong. Who do I believe? Several dictionaries
defining pro-abortion the same way, or a pro-choice activist? Hmmm.
Very hard choice. NOT!!
But supporting abortion, legal or not, isn't the same as supporting
the legality of abortion. Look, you're wrong again.
Hmmm. And supporting slavery, legal or not, isn't the same as
supporting the legality of slavery. Is it, Adam?
No, it isn't. I know teetotalers that think alcohol should be legal.
They certainly don't favour or support alcohol, but they support the
legality of alcohol.
Are those words small enough for you?
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of misrepresenting
terms to express bogus arguments.
Hmmm. Dictionary confirms me definition of pro-abortion, but is
rejected by Keegan, who has his own definition the dictionaries do not
agree with. Yep, I'd say there's a credibility gap. And it's on your
side there, James.
---
"I contend that we are both atheists.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the
other possible gods, you will understand why
I dismiss yours."
- Stephen Roberts
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| User: "Robert T. Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
02 Oct 2003 10:35:05 PM |
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Adam H. wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:09:48 GMT, "Robert T. Simpson"
<rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote:
Adam H. wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:45:06 GMT, "Robert T. Simpson"
<rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and
never saw anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any
evidence that anyone is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
are you still trying to pass off that bogus definition?
heh.
Hmmm. Dictionaries define pro-abortion as supporting legal abortion,
but Keegan says it's wrong. Who do I believe? Several dictionaries
defining pro-abortion the same way, or a pro-choice activist? Hmmm.
Very hard choice. NOT!!
But supporting abortion, legal or not, isn't the same as supporting
the legality of abortion. Look, you're wrong again.
Hmmm. And supporting slavery, legal or not, isn't the same as
supporting the legality of slavery. Is it, Adam?
No, it isn't. I know teetotalers that think alcohol should be legal.
They certainly don't favour or support alcohol, but they support the
legality of alcohol.
Are those words small enough for you?
Alcohol? Slavery? Not even close to the same thing?
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of misrepresenting
terms to express bogus arguments.
Hmmm. Dictionary confirms me definition of pro-abortion, but is
rejected by Keegan, who has his own definition the dictionaries do not
agree with. Yep, I'd say there's a credibility gap. And it's on your
side there, James.
---
"I contend that we are both atheists.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the
other possible gods, you will understand why
I dismiss yours."
- Stephen Roberts
--
Want to know what abortion looks like?
http://www.geocities.com/sassme.geo/truthis.html
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion2.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mttu.com%2Fabort-pics%2F
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontruth.com%2Fpictures.html
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Ffacelife.org%2Fcontent%2Fvideoscontent.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontv.com%2Fsilentscream.htm
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
03 Oct 2003 03:45:22 AM |
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In article <3F7CEE8A.691D@excite.com>, says...
But supporting abortion, legal or not, isn't the same as supporting
the legality of abortion. Look, you're wrong again.
Hmmm. And supporting slavery, legal or not, isn't the same as
supporting the legality of slavery. Is it, Adam?
No, it isn't. I know teetotalers that think alcohol should be legal.
They certainly don't favour or support alcohol, but they support the
legality of alcohol.
Are those words small enough for you?
Alcohol? Slavery? Not even close to the same thing?
Slavery? Abortion? Nor even close to the same thing!
How come it's okay for you to choose an alternative issue for analogy,
but not for the other poster to do so?
Remember, some people DO think slavery should be legal, and think it is
right for slavery to exist... if they didn't, it wouldn't exist so there
would be no need for a law against it. Do you think slavery should be
legal?
Do you understand why slavery is illegal in most countries, yet keeping
domestic or farm animals in captivity is not illegal? Do you understand
why abortion and birth are both legal in most countries, yet forcing
women to abort or give birth is illegal?
Clue: It's to do with legal rights that apply to all human beings, but
don't apply to memebers of other animal species, or human life which
does not qualify for human being status (like sperm, embryos etc).
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
02 Oct 2003 10:37:44 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:35:05 GMT, "Robert T. Simpson"
<rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote:
Adam H. wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:09:48 GMT, "Robert T. Simpson"
<rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote:
Adam H. wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:45:06 GMT, "Robert T. Simpson"
<rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
"Robert T. Simpson" <rtsimpson2003@excite.com> wrote in
news:3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and
never saw anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any
evidence that anyone is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
are you still trying to pass off that bogus definition?
heh.
Hmmm. Dictionaries define pro-abortion as supporting legal abortion,
but Keegan says it's wrong. Who do I believe? Several dictionaries
defining pro-abortion the same way, or a pro-choice activist? Hmmm.
Very hard choice. NOT!!
But supporting abortion, legal or not, isn't the same as supporting
the legality of abortion. Look, you're wrong again.
Hmmm. And supporting slavery, legal or not, isn't the same as
supporting the legality of slavery. Is it, Adam?
No, it isn't. I know teetotalers that think alcohol should be legal.
They certainly don't favour or support alcohol, but they support the
legality of alcohol.
Are those words small enough for you?
Alcohol? Slavery? Not even close to the same thing?
I see the concept of 'analogy' is sadly lost on you. Why don't you
come back when you get your GED?
Supporting (x) != supporting the legality of (x). It's a fact.
that confirms my earlier statements about pro-life b eing
incompatible with credibility and the tactic of misrepresenting
terms to express bogus arguments.
Hmmm. Dictionary confirms me definition of pro-abortion, but is
rejected by Keegan, who has his own definition the dictionaries do not
agree with. Yep, I'd say there's a credibility gap. And it's on your
side there, James.
---
"I contend that we are both atheists.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the
other possible gods, you will understand why
I dismiss yours."
- Stephen Roberts
---
"The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation."
-Pierre Trudeau, 1967
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
02 Oct 2003 12:55:45 AM |
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In article <3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com>, says...
Subject: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again
From: "Robert T. Simpson" < >
Newsgroups: talk.abortion, alt.abortion
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and never saw
anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any evidence that anyone
is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
There is nobody here who claims to routinely favour (advocate, support)
abortion (over the other possibility - birth), whether the abortion in
question is legal or not.
Nobody here is 'pro-abortion'.
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| User: "Robert T. Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again |
02 Oct 2003 09:47:06 AM |
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Pat Winstanley wrote:
In article <3F7B4A92.7C96@excite.com>, says...
Subject: Re: Abortion Numbers Decline Again
From: "Robert T. Simpson" < >
Newsgroups: talk.abortion, alt.abortion
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Mothers 4 Murder <killing@the.clinic> wrote in
news:3F79FCB0.2332@the.clinic:
Liberals and pro-aborts are a joke.
i've been reading this newsgroup since it was created and never saw
anyone claim to be pro-abort. do you have any evidence that anyone
is pro-abort?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion&db=*
pro-a·bor·tion (pr-bôrshn)
adj.
Favoring or supporting legalized abortion.
There is nobody here who claims to routinely favour (advocate, support)
abortion (over the other possibility - birth), whether the abortion in
question is legal or not.
Nobody here is 'pro-abortion'.
This is the dilemma you face. You want to get in bed with the ladies
but you also don't want people to think that you're all for murder. Yet
the dictionaries say you are. And I'm more than a million times more
likely to believe a dictionary than I am to believe you.
--
Want to know what abortion looks like?
http://www.geocities.com/sassme.geo/truthis.html
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion2.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mttu.com%2Fabort-pics%2F
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontruth.com%2Fpictures.html
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Ffacelife.org%2Fcontent%2Fvideoscontent.htm
http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abortiontv.com%2Fsilentscream.htm
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