On 21 Jun 2003 17:36:02 -0700,
Marie A. <WatchMeEatCrap@yahoo.com wrote:

Craig Chilton <

David Simpson <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote:

Nathan A. Stine wrote:

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(A guaranteed debate-winner: "Choice of WHAT? Right to
choose WHAT?")

ANSWER: The right of every woman faced with that which she
regards to be an ill-timed pregnancy to CHOOSE between *these*
two options, FREE of any and all interference and restriction:

(1) To carry-to-term, or

(2) To obtain the remedy of safe and legal abortion, upon request.

There. See how EASY it was for PRO-Choice to WIN that debate?

Since the ANTI-Choicers' alternative is the hateful and loathesome
one of DENYING the option of safe-&-legal abortion-on-request to women,
which would FORCE gestation upon them, against their will. A very REAL
9-month-long form of RAPE. And that'll never, EVER happen again.

The bight of abortion's being illegal is just as extinct as OTHER,
similarly-ignorant, bigoted, and hateful aspects are -- such as slavery,
denial of the vote to women, and segregation. America has outgrown
YOUR form of bigotry, too, and NEVER will revisit it again. It's GONE.

Tough break, loser. You'd better jump on the homophobic bandwagon,
now, to feed your hateful malcontentedness. That's probably good for
another year or two, before America outgrows THAT, once and for all, TOO!

After that, you're probably screwed. America may well be a
bigotry-free zone from that point on!

Sir, you have to be just about one of the dumbest dickheads
posting in these newsgroups, and that's saying a mouthful. Dave, on
his very worst day in a coma and on life support, could run circles
around that pea brain of yours.

Your... er... "eloquence" in whining is noted. (LOL!!!)

Choice of "what" IS a guaranteed winner, Craig. And it's a winner
because your crowd...

My "crowd" being my fellow SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded egalitarians
who DO give a rat's ***** for the well-being and individual liberties of
all people. But steeped in hateful ignorance as you are, you couldn't
even BEGIN to comprehend that.

...refuses to address the issue of what it is that's being chosen.

Probably since there's no "issue." Abortion is merely a valuable
REMEDY for all who choose it, and carrying-to-term is the other option
available for them to choose. NEITHER of those are "issues."

And the ONLY reason that availability of ACCESS to one of those
choices is an issue *at all* is because there is a mindless and hateful
collection of LOONS running around who seek to mike the lives of
millions of women miserable by DENYING them access to the remedy,
and FORCING them to geatate to term. Total IDIOTS. And when the
Anti-Choice agenda has joined its first cousin in bigotry, segregation,
in extinction, then there will no longer even be THAT issue.

This is not rocket science. I know it's tiresome for
certified geniuses such as yourself to grasp these simple concepts,
but merely screaming about a woman's right to choice cannot be
divorced from what it is she's choosing to do, otherwise one can claim
that a person has a right to "choose" to do anything, even to murder
another person. Can you track with me on that highly complicated line
of thought, Craig?

Having explained this really "complex" matter of what's being
chosen, then the next step is to recognize that the argument is NOT
about choice, as such, but the act of abortion. Many of us don't like
abortions, Craig, especially of the elective kind involving the
slaughter of viable mid and late term infants.

This is what you're defending, Craig, not the woman's right to
choose, because if it were otherwise you would also defend her right
to choose to do anything else she pleased. The logic here is
inescapable. You're defending abortion, so shut up about "choice."
It's a convenient smokescreen to hide an act of cold-blooded murder in
many of these abortions.

See how easy it was to win that debate, Craig? See how anyone can
claim to win a debate, and how impressed we all are with your claim?
BTW, there are words you can use other than bigotry and intolerance
when you argue these issues. It might be a bit more difficult to frame
an argument, but you might try it. Now go play with your blocks, you
lying sack of *****. (Marie)

-- Craig Chilton