| Topic: |
Science > Abortion |
| User: |
"Craig Chilton" |
| Date: |
22 Jun 2003 01:53:42 AM |
| Object: |
Re: 'Abortion' vs. Weasel Words 'Choice' and 'Choose' |
On 21 Jun 2003 17:36:02 -0700,
Marie A. <WatchMeEatCrap@yahoo.com wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
David Simpson <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Nathan A. Stine wrote:
[ ... ]
(A guaranteed debate-winner: "Choice of WHAT? Right to
choose WHAT?")
ANSWER: The right of every woman faced with that which she
regards to be an ill-timed pregnancy to CHOOSE between *these*
two options, FREE of any and all interference and restriction:
(1) To carry-to-term, or
(2) To obtain the remedy of safe and legal abortion, upon request.
There. See how EASY it was for PRO-Choice to WIN that debate?
Since the ANTI-Choicers' alternative is the hateful and loathesome
one of DENYING the option of safe-&-legal abortion-on-request to women,
which would FORCE gestation upon them, against their will. A very REAL
9-month-long form of RAPE. And that'll never, EVER happen again.
The bight of abortion's being illegal is just as extinct as OTHER,
similarly-ignorant, bigoted, and hateful aspects are -- such as slavery,
denial of the vote to women, and segregation. America has outgrown
YOUR form of bigotry, too, and NEVER will revisit it again. It's GONE.
Tough break, loser. You'd better jump on the homophobic bandwagon,
now, to feed your hateful malcontentedness. That's probably good for
another year or two, before America outgrows THAT, once and for all, TOO!
After that, you're probably screwed. America may well be a
bigotry-free zone from that point on!
Sir, you have to be just about one of the dumbest dickheads
posting in these newsgroups, and that's saying a mouthful. Dave, on
his very worst day in a coma and on life support, could run circles
around that pea brain of yours.
Your... er... "eloquence" in whining is noted. (LOL!!!)
Choice of "what" IS a guaranteed winner, Craig. And it's a winner
because your crowd...
My "crowd" being my fellow SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded egalitarians
who DO give a rat's ***** for the well-being and individual liberties of
all people. But steeped in hateful ignorance as you are, you couldn't
even BEGIN to comprehend that.
...refuses to address the issue of what it is that's being chosen.
Probably since there's no "issue." Abortion is merely a valuable
REMEDY for all who choose it, and carrying-to-term is the other option
available for them to choose. NEITHER of those are "issues."
And the ONLY reason that availability of ACCESS to one of those
choices is an issue *at all* is because there is a mindless and hateful
collection of LOONS running around who seek to make the lives of
millions of women miserable by DENYING them access to the remedy,
and FORCING them to gestate to term. Total IDIOTS. And when the
Anti-Choice agenda has joined its first cousin in bigotry, segregation,
in extinction, then there will no longer even be THAT issue.
This is not rocket science. I know it's tiresome for certified
geniuses such as yourself to grasp these simple concepts, but merely
screaming about a woman's right to choice cannot be divorced from
what it is she's choosing to do, otherwise one can claim that a person
has a right to "choose" to do anything, even to murder another person.
Can you track with me on that highly complicated line of thought, Craig?
Apples and oranges. Abortion is merely a harmless remedy. The REAL
issue is merely the question of how much longer it'll be before enough
Americans get bored with Anti-Choice that they'll LAUGH them right off
the continent.
Having explained this really "complex" matter of what's being
chosen, ...
Not complex. Merely a REMEDY. A hugely-BENEFICIAL remedy.
...then the next step is to recognize that the argument is NOT
about choice, as such, but the act of abortion.
To YOU maybe. But you and your ilk have to fit the prerequisite of
being bone-ignorant, just to BE Anti-Choicers.
Many of us don't like abortions, Craig, ...
Fine. Then don't HAVE one. If someone ELSE does, it is
absolutely NONE of your business, nosy and busybodyish
control-freak.
especially of the elective kind involving the slaughter of
viable mid and late term infants.
Now you're off-topic. Make up your mind, nitwit. We've been talking
about abortion, and NOW you suddenly are whining about infanticide!
Abortion affects only fetuses and embryoes. ALL *infants* have been
BORN, so abortion has NO effect on them.
This is what you're defending, Craig, ...
No it isn't. NO one would defend infanticide.
...not the woman's right to choose, ...
Wrong. I *DO* defend her right to choose between safe & legal
abortion on request,and carrying to term. HER body. HER choice.
NO one else's business.
...because if it were otherwise you would also defend her right
to choose to do anything else she pleased.
Well, now, I don't see any OTHER right being attacked by a collection
of ignorant loons. So unless you get around to doing that, TOO, then I
guess we don't have to *defend* them against your assault.
The logic here is inescapable.
You probably escaped THAT many years ago. And never
returned to it.
You're defending abortion, so shut up about "choice."
Wrong. People don't *defend* ANY remedies. That would be JUST like
claiming that a person were defending ASPIRIN if a bunch of crazy nitwits
like you suddenly sought to DENY everyone ACCESS to it. We clearly in
that case would NOT be defending aspirin. But we WOULD be defending
the RIGHT of everyone to have ACCESS to that remedy. I.e., to be free to
CHOOSE that remedy. And it is *precisely* the SAME with abortion.
Have you GOT it *this* time, or shall I re-estimate your IQ downward
by ANOTHER 10 points? Which would put it into the negative numbers.
It's a convenient smokescreen to hide an act of cold-blooded murder
in many of these abortions.
There's NO smokescreen, and you're off-topic again, since abortion is
not even REMOTELY connected to murder.
See how easy it was to win that debate, Craig?
It certainly was. I obviously did it again. Debating you ignorant
Anti-choicers is like shooting sharks in a pickle barrel!
See how anyone can claim to win a debate, and how impressed
we all are with your claim?
Actually, I'd be worried if you WERE properly impressed. I really
don't want to have any admiration by bigoted losers like you.
BTW, there are words you can use other than bigotry and intolerance
when you argue these issues.
Sure there are. And I use them frequently, as applicable, and as
deserved by those who have rightfully EARNED tose descriptors.
For example --
For ANTI-Choicers: bigoted, hateful, intolerant, despicable,
ignorant, stupid, uncaring, uncompassionate, loser, and loathesome.
There are other synonyms which are applicable.
For PRO-Choicers: sensible, intelligent, compassionate, astute,
posessing integrity, caring, and fair-minded. Other synonyms for those
also are applicable.
It might be a bit more difficult to frame an argument, but you
might try it. Now go play with your blocks, you lying sack of *****.
Naw. That's much better suited to 3-year-olds such as you just
proved yourself to be with that last statement. In terms of maturity,
even if not chronologically.
-- Craig Chilton
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: "Marie A." EXEMPLIFIES the Ignorance and Bigotry of the RRR Cultists. |
01 Jul 2003 09:33:00 PM |
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On 1 Jul 2003 09:27:57 -0700,
David Simpson <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Marie A. <WatchMeEatCrap@yahoo.com wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Marie A. <WatchMeEatCrap@yahoo.com wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
David Simpson <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
(A guaranteed debate-winner: "Choice of WHAT? Right to
choose WHAT?")
ANSWER: The right of every woman faced with that which she
regards to be an ill-timed pregnancy to CHOOSE between *these*
two options, FREE of any and all interference and restriction:
(1) To carry-to-term, or
(2) To obtain the remedy of safe and legal abortion, upon request.
There. See how EASY it was for PRO-Choice to WIN that debate?
Since the ANTI-Choicers' alternative is the hateful and loathesome
one of DENYING the option of safe-&-legal abortion-on-request to women,
which would FORCE gestation upon them, against their will. A very REAL
9-month-long form of RAPE. And that'll never, EVER happen again.
The words "hateful" and "loathesome" would be more properly
applied to those killing their unborn childern, Craig, not to those trying
to stop the practice.
There's no such thing as "unborn children," any more than there's
any such thing as "undead corpses." So if you MEAN "fetuses," then
SAY "fetuses" instead of whining around trying to elicit an emotional
response from the bone-ignorant and/or profoundly gullible with your
WEASEL words.
As for mere entities of the reproductive process, -- which include
gametes, zygotes, embryoes, and fetuses -- they are all EQUALLY
valuable... or utterly worthless... depending upon whether or not they
are WANTED by a host who may or may not wish to spend 9 months
gestating them. All four stages are unique, human, and alive... but they
all are nothing but POTENTIAL people. And REAL people -- whom you
have proven that you don't give a flying rat's ***** for -- outrank
potential people every single time. And if a woman chooses NOT to be
saddled with 9 months of unwanted gestation, for *whatever* reason she
may have, she is legally entitled to end the pregnancy and put her life
BACK on track. And that is the way it will ALWAYS be, forever more.
NEVER again will ignorant, hateful and contriol-freakish bigots like you
*ever* again be able to relegate women to 2nd-class-citizen status and
force them into involuntary servitude to reproductive-process entities
that they want no part of. Your agenda IS hateful and loathesome, and
is already as good as extinct. So TOUGH!! That's the breaks, loser.
One could with equal justification call a man who prevents a
mugger from murdering his victim, hateful and loathesome.
Wrong. That's where you show profound ignorance. There's
no comparison between preventing harm to a REAL person and
supposedly "defending" IMAGINARY (i.e., potential) ones.
And you even do a LOUSY job of trying to do the latter, since
you and your ilk are such HYPOCRITES that you look the other
way for 99.999999999999% of all the willful abortions that take
place. No less than a QUADRILLION gametes are willfully aborted
DAILY, worldwide, via male masturbation, and every one of them was
-- just like the 3 other stages -- unique, human, living POTENTIAL
people. (NOTE the "living" aspect. SO MUCH for that idiotic
nonsense that the Anti-Choicers spew about "life beginning at
fertilization." NOT as long as one *cannot* get a LIVE zygote by
combining gametes that are DEAD, it doesn't.)
About all you've done here is to twist and distort language and
turn right and wrong upside down.
No. I *clarify* right and wrong. RIGHT is ensuring that all women
will ALWAYS have the opportunity to CHOOSE between carrying-to-
term and safe & legal abortion-on-request, hassle-free... and WRONG
is seeking to TRASH millions of women, their rights, their well-being,
and their future opportunities by FORCING them to gestate against their
will for 9 months... a very REAL form of RAPE -- and a direct violation
of Jesus' prime directive to His followers... to show love and compassion
to their neighbors. Seeking to TRASH millions of women is the quivalent
of slapping Jesus in the face in that regard. You are UN-Christian,
hateful, bigoted, mean-spirited, selfish, control-freakish, and as
ignorant as a dead yule log.
The bight of abortion's being illegal is just as extinct as OTHER,
similarly-ignorant, bigoted, and hateful aspects are -- such as slavery,
denial of the vote to women, and segregation. America has outgrown
YOUR form of bigotry, too, and NEVER will revisit it again. It's GONE.
Your crowd...
"Crowd." LOL!!!!! I'm assuming that this is supposed to be another
hateful and mindless weasel-word on your part for the 2/3 of Americans
who are SENSIBLE, compassionate, and FAIR-minded PRO-Choice
egalitarians...
...just loves to toss around words like hateful and bigot, as
if doing so solves every argument you get into.
We tend to apply ACCURATE descriptors to those who are hateful
enough to seek to make millions of people's lives miserable for no good
reason, and PROVE that to us, yes. You get no more than you DESERVE.
Just as happened to the equally-ignorant and hateful segregationists, 40
years ago.
People have every bit as much right to oppose abortion as you do
to defend it, pal.
Of COURSE they do. If they like being regarded properly as hateful
and bigoted nut cases, and be laughed at. Which is precisely what they
deserve, BECAUSE they are being such. You don't like that? TOUGH!!
Grow a brain and become a sensible person, and that won't happen to you.
I notice you that just about everything you say is wrapped in 60s type
slogans suggestive of Marxist class-warfare rhetoric wherein all argument is
supposed to end the moment your gang opens their fat traps about
egalitarianism, freedom, workers' rights and all the rest of that
Bolshevik *****.
You really ARE a bone-IGNORANT critter, aren't you? What a
STUPID line of thinking on your part.
Tough break, loser. You'd better jump on the homophobic
bandwagon, now, to feed your hateful malcontentedness. That's
probably good for another year or two, before America outgrows
THAT, once and for all, TOO!
I see we're on to homophobia now.
Acgtually, the RRR (Religious Radical Right) cultists tend to
be STEEPED in bigotry, and that's another one of their favorites.
Those loons GET OFF on making total fools of themselves.
Why don't you go dust off few more worn out slogans out of that
old psychedelic, flower-bedecked VW Bus you no doubt tooled
around in in those old glory days, Craig? They're probably right
next to the grass, bongs and lava lamps.
<<<sheesh!!! What an incredible **bigot**. Talk about having NO
life!! No *worthwhile* one, that's for sure!! What a WASTE of
her only two neurons!>>>
After that, you're probably screwed. America may well be a
bigotry-free zone from that point on!
America will be free from bigotry as soon as your 60s generation of
Marxist frauds and poseurs...
"Marxist" again? Are you REALLY that stupid. This has nothing to do
whatsoever with Marx. So you're obviously trying to scatter some red
herrings around... IN LIEU of having absolutelyy NO FACTS in exence that
could support your agenda in any way whatsoever.
Do you realize that you have NOT YET presented so much as even
*one single fact* in all your ranting and raving? You are 100% LOON.
BTW -- I was an adult during the '60s and had nothing to do with the
"hippie" culture. AT ALL. Proving once again what an imbecile you are.
...passes from the scene, and none too soon for the rest of us, Craig.
Your crowd...
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
...has turned this country into a PC gulag...
"PC?" You mean "politically correct?" I have a sign on
my office wall that reads:
POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS
...is just as curable
as any other form
of stupidity.
SOME things that are regarded as "politically correct" make sense,
and others are just plain STUPID. (I discard all the stupid ones.)
...and has imposed its secularist,...
You really GO for those silly weasel words and idiotic and
meaningless jargon, don't you? Would you like to tell us just
WHAT is supposedly wrong with something that is "secular?"
(I'll watch with great interest as you ignore and DODGE that
question!)
...leftist...
Yeah. Right. Let's see you DEFINE that, and tell us what's
"wrong" with it, TOO, while you're about it. (LOL!!!!!!! What a
nitwit!)
...tyranny...
Ah. "Tyranny." Now THAT'S an interesting word to be spewed
from a CONTROL-freak like you!
...on one an all. People like you, sir, represent the new Taliban
in this country, ...
Obviously, you know NOTHING about the Taliban, since they were
virtually IDENTICAL to *you* and *your* ilk in their goals and agenda.
...and Christians on their worst days would never have dreamed of
imposing their views on others in the way your crowd does.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!! **Your** mindless and hateful ilk TRASHES Jesus'
prime directive, seeks to make the lives of millions of people miserable
for no good reason whatsoever, and acts in as UN-Christian a manner
as possible, and you make THAT idiotic comment???
*****ROTFLMAO!!!!!!*****
Which is why you're always projecting your own evils onto them.
CLUE, ignorant loser: I, and all other egalitarians, DEFEND the
freedoms and rights of the individual, and are working to ensure that
any freedoms which SHOULD legitimately exist, but aren't quite here
yet, WILL soon exist. The only *evil* around here is all on YOUR
hateful and loathesome side of the ledger.
(And you STILL haven't presented so much as even ONE relevant
FACT to support your vicious stance.)
Sir, you have to be just about one of the dumbest dickheads
posting in these newsgroups, and that's saying a mouthful. Dave, on
his very worst day in a coma and on life support, could run circles
around that pea brain of yours.
Your... er... "eloquence" in whining is noted. (LOL!!!)
Choice of "what" IS a guaranteed winner, Craig. And it's a winner
because your crowd...
My "crowd" being my fellow SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded egalitarians
who DO give a rat's ***** for the well-being and individual liberties of
all people. But steeped in hateful ignorance as you are, you couldn't
even BEGIN to comprehend that.
Egalitarian, my *****!
Try looking the word up. You are its diametric OPPOSITE.
Your idea of equality is that of regimenting the planet to your way
of thinking, ...
Not at all. Segregation was evil and vicious, and it dehumanized
people over something as trivial as race. So as Civil Rights workers, we
got RID of it, and ensured that people of all races would be treated
FAIRLY. The Supreme Court got RID of hateful state laws that denied
the valuable REMEDY of abortion to women, and we as Pro-Choicers will
defend that right for as long as it takes for losers like you to grow up.
FREEDOM means that people get to make many CHOICES, **free** of
interference by hateful and ignorant control-freaks and/or laws they wish
they had. It is the OPPOSITE of forcing *anything* upon anyone. (You
are one VERY mixed-up and sick puppy!)
...and when you meet with the slightest bit of resistance out
come the epithets: HATEFUL! BIGOT! INTOLERANT! HOMOPHOBE!
RACIST!
Many of those applied perfectly to the mindless segregationists.
And today, most of them are nothing more than ACCURATE
descriptors for the RRR cultists and THEIR loathesome agenda
items.
If you don't want to FIT that description, then OUTGROW such
mindless hatefulness, and start treating people FAIRLY.
<Stupid-redundancy-snip. Already covered.>
...refuses to address the issue of what it is that's being chosen.
Probably since there's no "issue." Abortion is merely a valuable
REMEDY for all who choose it, and carrying-to-term is the other option
available for them to choose. NEITHER of those are "issues."
What in the hell is REMEDY supposed to mean here?
Precisely what it SAYS. Are you partially ILLITERATE, *too*??
Abortion is the primary REMEDY for the unwanted medical condition
of ill-timed pergnancy.
Is that some sort of magic word which you just dreamed up
as if to suggest that everything is now solved because Craig
has now found a REMEDY?
No. A remedy IS just that. A remedy. And in this case, it's been
around for thousands of years, and it will ALWAYS be available to those
who seek to access it. Worldwide, over any given 18-year-long period,
no less than a BILLION women are enabled by it to RESTORE their
well-being and full range of future opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-
pregnancy levels.
Well, we don't like your "remedy," Craig.
TOUGH!!!! Screw you! If you don't like it, then don't have one.
It's here... it will ALWAYS be here, safe and legal, and when OTHER
people choose to access it, it is absolutely NONE of your business.
Get that, loser? NONE. As in, N-O-N-E. Try to get that through your
ignorant skull, because that will *never* change, no matter HOW much
your moronic ilk screech, holler, scream, whine, and yowl about it.
You are merely making total fools of yourselves, and MOST people
are laughing at you behind your back. And frequently and very
deservedly, right in your face.
Killing old people who become inconvenient is also a "remedy,"
and we know that's coming next from your crowd,...
"Crowd." LOL!!!!!!!!
...just as it has in the Netherlands.
It's called "death-with-dignity" for the terminally-ill who CHOOSE
it. And you don't have to go that far to find such fairness. Assisted
suicide is LEGAL in OREGON. Guess HOW it became legal? By
REFERENDUM.
The *majority* of the PEOPLE of Oregon voted for it. Then the
legislature stupidly tried to override the will of the people, and forced
a RE-VOTE on it in a subsequent election. Then Oregonians, properly
incensed over such control-freakish mindlessness, voted again for it.
And passed it by a much LARGER margin than before. It'll only be a
matter of time before all of America makes it available, legally. But it
will ALWAYS carry stringent safeguards to ensure that this right will not
be abused by anyone.
<boring and redundant hate-language snipped>
And the ONLY reason that availability of ACCESS to one of those
choices is an issue *at all* is because there is a mindless and hateful
collection of LOONS running around who seek to make the lives of
millions of women miserable by DENYING them access to the remedy,
and FORCING them to gestate to term. Total IDIOTS. And when the
Anti-Choice agenda has joined its first cousin in bigotry, segregation,
in extinction, then there will no longer even be THAT issue.
This is not rocket science. I know it's tiresome for certified
geniuses such as yourself to grasp these simple concepts, but merely
screaming about a woman's right to choice cannot be divorced from
what it is she's choosing to do, otherwise one can claim that a person
has a right to "choose" to do anything, even to murder another person.
Can you track with me on that highly complicated line of thought, Craig?
Apples and oranges. Abortion is merely a harmless remedy. The REAL
issue is merely the question of how much longer it'll be before enough
Americans get bored with Anti-Choice that they'll LAUGH them right off
the continent.
Having explained this really "complex" matter of what's being
chosen, ...
Not complex. Merely a REMEDY. A hugely-BENEFICIAL remedy.
...then the next step is to recognize that the argument is NOT
about choice, as such, but the act of abortion.
To YOU maybe. But you and your ilk have to fit the prerequisite
of being bone-ignorant, just to BE Anti-Choicers.
Many of us don't like abortions, Craig, ...
Fine. Then don't HAVE one. If someone ELSE does, it is
absolutely NONE of your business, nosy and busybodyish
control-freak.
...especially of the elective kind involving the slaughter of
viable mid and late term infants.
Now you're off-topic. Make up your mind, nitwit. We've been talking
about abortion, and NOW you suddenly are whining about infanticide!
Abortion affects only fetuses and embryoes. ALL *infants* have been
BORN, so abortion has NO effect on them.
This is what you're defending, Craig, ...
No it isn't. NO one would defend infanticide.
...not the woman's right to choose, ...
Wrong. I *DO* defend her right to choose between safe & legal
abortion on request,and carrying to term. HER body. HER choice.
NO one else's business.
...because if it were otherwise you would also defend her right
to choose to do anything else she pleased.
Well, now, I don't see any OTHER right being attacked by a collection
of ignorant loons. So unless you get around to doing that, TOO, then I
guess we don't have to *defend* them against your assault.
The logic here is inescapable.
You probably escaped THAT many years ago. And never
returned to it.
You're defending abortion, so shut up about "choice."
Wrong. People don't *defend* ANY remedies. That would be JUST like
claiming that a person were defending ASPIRIN if a bunch of crazy nitwits
like you suddenly sought to DENY everyone ACCESS to it. We clearly in
that case would NOT be defending aspirin. But we WOULD be defending
the RIGHT of everyone to have ACCESS to that remedy. I.e., to be free to
CHOOSE that remedy. And it is *precisely* the SAME with abortion.
Have you GOT it *this* time, or shall I re-estimate your IQ downward
by ANOTHER 10 points? Which would put it into the negative numbers.
It's a convenient smokescreen to hide an act of cold-blooded murder
in many of these abortions.
There's NO smokescreen, and you're off-topic again, since abortion is
not even REMOTELY connected to murder.
See how easy it was to win that debate, Craig?
It certainly was. I obviously did it again. Debating you ignorant
Anti-Choicers is like shooting sharks in a pickle barrel!
See how anyone can claim to win a debate, and how impressed
we all are with your claim?
Actually, I'd be worried if you WERE properly impressed. I really
don't want to have *any* admiration by bigoted losers like you.
BTW, there are words you can use other than bigotry and
intolerance when you argue these issues.
Sure there are. And I use them frequently, as applicable, and as
deserved by those who have rightfully EARNED tose descriptors.
For example --
For ANTI-Choicers: bigoted, hateful, intolerant, despicable,
ignorant, stupid, uncaring, uncompassionate, loser, and loathesome.
There are other synonyms which are applicable.
For PRO-Choicers: sensible, intelligent, compassionate, astute,
posessing integrity, caring, and fair-minded. Other synonyms for those
also are applicable.
It might be a bit more difficult to frame an argument, but you
might try it. Now go play with your blocks, you lying sack of *****.
Naw. That's much better suited to 3-year-olds such as you just
proved yourself to be with that last statement. In terms of maturity,
even if not chronologically.
Craig Chilton wrote:
[idiocies]
ROTFL!!!!!!
To the contrary, liar. The above material totally indicts,
condemns, and makes cooked mincemeat of your petty and
hateful ignorance. Therefore, I RESTORED all of the above,
so that it can be OBVIOUS to everyone that:
(1) You just LIED.
(2) You DUCKED, as the abject COWARD that you are.
(3) You are STEEPED in abject ignorance.
Marie A. need only write one sentence and she is at once both more
intelligent and more mature than you ever have been and likely ever
will be.
Another lie... and it is noteworthy that ALL you did in that
paragraph was WHINE and DENY. Quite the opposite of my regular
presentation of the FACTS that make dog meat of your hateful agendas.
Craig Chilton, you are even worse than immature, often-stupid Steve
Krulick; you're Krulick with one drink or more too many imbibed before
you begin posting, dimming further your already dim wits while
exhibiting often an even more childish attitude.
It is noteworthy that ALL you did in the above paragraph was WHINE
and DENY. Quite the opposite of my regular presentation of the FACTS
that make dog meat of your hateful agendas.
BTW -- I've never heard of Steve Krulick... but whoever he is, since
YOU dcsribed him as you did, he's probably a very sharp and sensible
person.
That people like you can likely vote, and your vote counts as much
as the rest of ours, ought to be considered a moral and a legal crime.
TOUGH, bigot. It is BECAUSE fair-minded and sensible egalitarians
like me DO vote, that bogoted agendas like YOURS go extinct. As
proven by the following:
-- Slavery -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Women's Suffage -- EXTINCT
-- Prohibition -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Birth-Control Pill -- EXTINCT
-- Segregation -- EXTINCT
-- Anti-Semitism -- ENDANGERED (Thankfully)
-- Anti-Choice (abortion) -- LAUGHINGSTOCK STATUS
-- Opposition to EQUAL Rights for Gays -- FADING FAST
Segregationists were a JOKE (i.e., "laughingstock status")
during the last few years before it became extinct. As opposition
to EQUAL rights for gays (with respect to housing, being parents,
marriage, and employment) continues to fade, the remaining
opponents first will become laughingstocks, and then that
hatefulness will end in extinction. Constant consciousness-raising,
as we saw awhile back on a "Primetime Thursday" episode on
ABC, featuring Rosie O'Donnell, is very helpful. (MOST of the
reporters and commentators in the MEDIA are INTELLIGENT...
with occasional exceptions, like George Will, who has a good IQ,
but wastes it on hyperconservatism.)
Historical precedents have CONSISTENTLY proven that
Americans OUTGROW movements of intolerance (such as ALL
of the above), and then REJECT them -- leaving them behind
FOREVER.
And THAT is EXTINCTION.
IF you had ANY intelligence at all, loser, you surely would feel
like a total IDIOT for espousing the utterly stupid, hateful, bigoted
and clueless agendas that you do. But you're too ignorant to even
realize THAT.
It's obvious why Patrick Humphrey very ACCURATELY calls
you "Simpleton."
-- Craig Chilton
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On 22 Jun 2003 10:59:30 -0700,
Marie A. <WatchMeEatCrap@yahoo.com wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Marie A. <WatchMeEatCrap@yahoo.com wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
David Simpson <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Nathan A. Stine wrote:
[ ... ]
(A guaranteed debate-winner: "Choice of WHAT? Right to
choose WHAT?")
ANSWER: The right of every woman faced with that which she
regards to be an ill-timed pregnancy to CHOOSE between *these*
two options, FREE of any and all interference and restriction:
(1) To carry-to-term, or
(2) To obtain the remedy of safe and legal abortion, upon request.
There. See how EASY it was for PRO-Choice to WIN that debate?
Since the ANTI-Choicers' alternative is the hateful and loathesome
one of DENYING the option of safe-&-legal abortion-on-request to women,
which would FORCE gestation upon them, against their will. A very REAL
9-month-long form of RAPE. And that'll never, EVER happen again.
The words "hateful" and "loathesome" would be more properly
applied to those killing their unborn childern, Craig, not to those trying
to stop the practice.
There's no such thing as "unborn children," any more than there's
any such thing as "undead corpses." So if you MEAN "fetuses," then
SAY "fetuses" instead of whining around trying to elicit an emotional
response from the bone-ignorant and/or profoundly gullible with your
WEASEL words.
As for mere entities of the reproductive process, -- which include
gametes, zygotes, embryoes, and fetuses -- they are all EQUALLY
valuable... or utterly worthless... depending upon whether or not they
are WANTED by a host who may or may not wish to spend 9 months
gestating them. All four stages are unique, human, and alive... but they
all are nothing but POTENTIAL people. And REAL people -- whom you
have proven that you don't give a flying rat's ***** for -- outrank
potential people every single time. And if a woman chooses NOT to be
saddled with 9 months of unwanted gestation, for *whatever* reason she
may have, she is legally entitled to end the pregnancy and put her life
BACK on track. And that is the way it will ALWAYS be, forever more.
NEVER again will ignorant, hateful and contriol-freakish bigots like you
*ever* again be able to relegate women to 2nd-class-citizen status and
force them into involuntary servitude to reproductive-process entities
that they want no part of. Your agenda IS hateful and loathesome, and
is already as good as extinct. So TOUGH!! That's the breaks, loser.
One could with equal justification call a man who prevents a
mugger from murdering his victim, hateful and loathesome.
Wrong. That's where you show profound ignorance. There's
no comparison between preventing harm to a REAL person and
supposedly "defending" IMAGINARY (i.e., potential) ones.
And you even do a LOUSY job of trying to do the latter, since
you and your ilk are such HYPOCRITES that you look the other
way for 99.999999999999% of all the willful abortions that take
place. No less than a QUADRILLION gametes are willfully aborted
DAILY, worldwide, via male masturbation, and every one of them was
-- just like the 3 other stages -- unique, human, living POTENTIAL
people. (NOTE the "living" aspect. SO MUCH for that idiotic
nonsense that the Anti-Choicers spew about "life beginning at
fertilization." NOT as long as one *cannot* get a LIVE zygote by
combining gametes that are DEAD, it doesn't.)
About all you've done here is to twist and distort language and
turn right and wrong upside down.
No. I *clarify* right and wrong. RIGHT is ensuring that all women
will ALWAYS have the opportunity to CHOOSE between carrying-to-
term and safe & legal abortion-on-request, hassle-free... and WRONG
is seeking to TRASH millions of women, their rights, their well-being,
and their future opportunities by FORCING them to gestate against their
will for 9 months... a very REAL form of RAPE -- and a direct violation
of Jesus prime directive to His followers... to show love and compassion
to their neighbors. Seeking to TRASH millions of women is the quivalent
of slapping Jesus in the face in that regard. You are UN-Christian,
hateful, bigoted, mean-spirited, selfish, control-freakish, and as
ignorant as a dead yule log.
The bight of abortion's being illegal is just as extinct as OTHER,
similarly-ignorant, bigoted, and hateful aspects are -- such as slavery,
denial of the vote to women, and segregation. America has outgrown
YOUR form of bigotry, too, and NEVER will revisit it again. It's GONE.
Your crowd...
"Crowd." LOL!!!!! I'm assuming that this is supposed to be another
hateful and mindless weasel-word on your part for the 2/3 of Americans
who are SENSIBLE, compassionate, and FAIR-minded PRO-Choice
egalitarians...
...just loves to toss around words like hateful and bigot, as
if doing so solves every argument you get into.
We tend to apply ACCURATE descriptors to those who are hateful
enough to seek to make millions of people's lives miserable for no good
reason, and PROVE that to us, yes. You get no more than you DESERVE.
Just as happened to the equally-ignorant and hateful segregationists, 40
years ago.
People have every bit as much right to oppose abortion as you do
to defend it, pal.
Of COURSE they do. If they like being regarded properly as hateful
and bigoted nut cases, and be laughed at. Which is precisely what they
deserve, BECAUSE they are being such. You don't like that? TOUGH!!
Grow a brain and become a sensible person, and that won't happen to you.
I notice you that just about everything you say is wrapped in 60s type
slogans suggestive of Marxist class-warfare rhetoric wherein all argument is
supposed to end the moment your gang opens their fat traps about
egalitarianism, freedom, workers' rights and all the rest of that
Bolshevik *****.
You really ARE a bone-IGNORANT critter, aren't you? What a STUPID
line of thinking on your part.
Tough break, loser. You'd better jump on the homophobic
bandwagon, now, to feed your hateful malcontentedness. That's
probably good for another year or two, before America outgrows
THAT, once and for all, TOO!
I see we're on to homophobia now.
Acgtually, the RRR (Religious Radical Right) cultists tend to
be STEEPED in bigotry, and that's another one of their favorites.
Those loons GET OFF on making total fools of themselves.
Why don't you go dust off few more worn out slogans out of that
old psychedelic, flower-bedecked VW Bus you no doubt tooled
around in in those old glory days, Craig? They're probably right
next to the grass, bongs and lava lamps.
<<<sheesh!!! What an incredible **bigot**. Talk about having NO
life!! No *worthwhile* one, that's for sure!! What a WASTE of
her only two neurons!>>>
After that, you're probably screwed. America may well be a
bigotry-free zone from that point on!
America will be free from bigotry as soon as your 60s generation of
Marxist frauds and poseurs...
"Marxist" again? Are you REALLY that stupid. This has nothing to do
whatsoever with Marx. So you're obviously trying to scatter some red
herrings around... IN LIEU of having absolutelyy NO FACTS in exence that
could support your agenda in any way whatsoever.
Do you realize that you have NOT YET presented so much as even
*one single fact* in all your ranting and raving? You are 100% LOON.
BTW -- I was an adult during the '60s and had nothing to do with the
"hippie" culture. AT ALL. Proving once again what an imbecile you are.
...passes from the scene, and none too soon for the rest of us, Craig.
Your crowd...
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
...has turned this country into a PC gulag...
"PC?" You mean "politically correct?" I have a sign on
my office wall that reads:
POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS
...is just as curable
as any other form
of stupidity.
SOME things that are regarded as "politically correct" make sense,
and others are just plain STUPID. (I discard all the stupid ones.)
...and has imposed its secularist,...
You really GO for those silly weasel words and idiotic and
meaningless jargon, don't you? Would you like to tell us just
WHAT is supposedly wrong with something that is "secular?"
(I'll watch with great interest as you ignore and DODGE that
question!)
...leftist...
Yeah. Right. Let's see you DEFINE that, and tell us what's
"wrong" with it, TOO, while you're about it. (LOL!!!!!!! What a
nitwit!)
...tyranny...
Ah. "Tyranny." Now THAT'S an interesting word to be spewed
from a CONTROL-freak like you!
...on one an all. People like you, sir, represent the new Taliban
in this country, ...
Obviously, you know NOTHING about the Taliban, since they were
virtually IDENTICAL to *you* and *your* ilk in their goals and agenda.
...and Christians on their worst days would never have dreamed of
imposing their views on others in the way your crowd does.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!! **Your** mindless and hateful ilk TRASHES Jesus'
prime directive, seeks to make the lives of millions of people miserable
for no good reason whatsoever, and acts in as UN-Christian a manner
as possible, and you make THAT idiotic comment???
*****ROTFLMAO!!!!!!*****
Which is why you're always projecting your own evils onto them.
CLUE, ignorant loser: I, and all other egalitarians, DEFEND the
freedoms and rights of the individual, and are working to ensure that
any freedoms which SHOULD legitimately exist, but aren't quite here
yet, WILL soon exist. The only *evil* around here is all on YOUR
hateful and loathesome side of the ledger.
(And you STILL haven't presented so much as even ONE relevant
FACT to support your vicious stance.)
Sir, you have to be just about one of the dumbest dickheads
posting in these newsgroups, and that's saying a mouthful. Dave, on
his very worst day in a coma and on life support, could run circles
around that pea brain of yours.
Your... er... "eloquence" in whining is noted. (LOL!!!)
Choice of "what" IS a guaranteed winner, Craig. And it's a winner
because your crowd...
My "crowd" being my fellow SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded egalitarians
who DO give a rat's ***** for the well-being and individual liberties of
all people. But steeped in hateful ignorance as you are, you couldn't
even BEGIN to comprehend that.
Egalitarian, my *****!
Try looking the word up. You are its diametric OPPOSITE.
Your idea of equality is that of regimenting the planet to your way
of thinking, ...
Not at all. Segregation was evil and vicious, and it dehumanized
people over something as trivial as race. So as Civil Rights workers, we
got RID of it, and ensured that people of all races would be treated
FAIRLY. The Supreme Court got RID of hateful state laws that denied
the valuable REMEDY of abortion to women, and we as Pro-Choicers will
defend that right for as long as it takes for losers like you to grow up.
FREEDOM means that people get to make many CHOICES, **free** of
interference by hateful and ignorant control-freaks and/or laws they wish
they had. It is the OPPOSITE of forcing *anything* upon anyone. (You
are one VERY mixed-up and sick puppy!)
...and when you meet with the slightest bit of resistance out
come the epithets: HATEFUL! BIGOT! INTOLERANT! HOMOPHOBE!
RACIST!
Many of those applied perfectly to the mindless segregationists.
And today, most of them are nothing more than ACCURATE
descriptors for the RRR cultists and THEIR loathesome agenda
items.
If you don't want to FIT that description, then OUTGROW such
mindless hatefulness, and start treating people FAIRLY.
<Stupid-redundancy-snip. Already covered.>
...refuses to address the issue of what it is that's being chosen.
Probably since there's no "issue." Abortion is merely a valuable
REMEDY for all who choose it, and carrying-to-term is the other option
available for them to choose. NEITHER of those are "issues."
What in the hell is REMEDY supposed to mean here?
Precisely what it SAYS. Are you partially ILLITERATE, *too*??
Abortion is the primary REMEDY for the unwanted medical condition
of ill-timed pergnancy.
Is that some sort of magic word which you just dreamed up
as if to suggest that everything is now solved because Craig
has now found a REMEDY?
No. A remedy IS just that. A remedy. And in this case, it's been
around for thousands of years, and it will ALWAYS be available to those
who seek to access it. Worldwide, over any given 18-year-long period,
no less than a BILLION women are enabled by it to RESTORE their
well-being and full range of future opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-
pregnancy levels.
Well, we don't like your "remedy," Craig.
TOUGH!!!! Screw you! If you don't like it, then don't have one.
It's here... it will ALWAYS be here, safe and legal, and when OTHER
people choose to access it, it is absolutely NONE of your business.
Get that, loser? NONE. As in, N-O-N-E. Try to get that through your
ignorant skull, because that will *never* change, no matter HOW much
your moronic ilk screech, holler, scream, whine, and yowl about it.
You are merely making total fools of yourselves, and MOST people
are laughing at you behind your back. And frequently and very
deservedly, right in your face.
Killing old people who become inconvenient is also a "remedy,"
and we know that's coming next from your crowd,...
"Crowd." LOL!!!!!!!!
...just as it has in the Netherlands.
It's called "death-with-dignity" for the terminally-ill who CHOOSE
it. And you don't have to go that far to find such fairness. Assisted
suicide is LEGAL in OREGON. Guess HOW it became legal? By
REFERENDUM.
The *majority* of the PEOPLE of Oregon voted for it. Then the
legislature stupidly tried to override the will of the people, and forced
a RE-VOTE on it in a subsequent election. Then Oregonians, properly
incensed over such control-freakish mindlessness, voted again for it.
And passed it by a much LARGER margin than before. It'll only be a
matter of time before all of America makes it available, legally. But it
will ALWAYS carry stringent safeguards to ensure that this right will not
be abused by anyone.
<boring and redundant hate-language snipped>
And the ONLY reason that availability of ACCESS to one of those
choices is an issue *at all* is because there is a mindless and hateful
collection of LOONS running around who seek to make the lives of
millions of women miserable by DENYING them access to the remedy,
and FORCING them to gestate to term. Total IDIOTS. And when the
Anti-Choice agenda has joined its first cousin in bigotry, segregation,
in extinction, then there will no longer even be THAT issue.
This is not rocket science. I know it's tiresome for certified
geniuses such as yourself to grasp these simple concepts, but merely
screaming about a woman's right to choice cannot be divorced from
what it is she's choosing to do, otherwise one can claim that a person
has a right to "choose" to do anything, even to murder another person.
Can you track with me on that highly complicated line of thought, Craig?
Apples and oranges. Abortion is merely a harmless remedy. The REAL
issue is merely the question of how much longer it'll be before enough
Americans get bored with Anti-Choice that they'll LAUGH them right off
the continent.
Having explained this really "complex" matter of what's being
chosen, ...
Not complex. Merely a REMEDY. A hugely-BENEFICIAL remedy.
...then the next step is to recognize that the argument is NOT
about choice, as such, but the act of abortion.
To YOU maybe. But you and your ilk have to fit the prerequisite of
being bone-ignorant, just to BE Anti-Choicers.
Many of us don't like abortions, Craig, ...
Fine. Then don't HAVE one. If someone ELSE does, it is
absolutely NONE of your business, nosy and busybodyish
control-freak.
...especially of the elective kind involving the slaughter of
viable mid and late term infants.
Now you're off-topic. Make up your mind, nitwit. We've been talking
about abortion, and NOW you suddenly are whining about infanticide!
Abortion affects only fetuses and embryoes. ALL *infants* have been
BORN, so abortion has NO effect on them.
This is what you're defending, Craig, ...
No it isn't. NO one would defend infanticide.
...not the woman's right to choose, ...
Wrong. I *DO* defend her right to choose between safe & legal
abortion on request,and carrying to term. HER body. HER choice.
NO one else's business.
...because if it were otherwise you would also defend her right
to choose to do anything else she pleased.
Well, now, I don't see any OTHER right being attacked by a collection
of ignorant loons. So unless you get around to doing that, TOO, then I
guess we don't have to *defend* them against your assault.
The logic here is inescapable.
You probably escaped THAT many years ago. And never
returned to it.
You're defending abortion, so shut up about "choice."
Wrong. People don't *defend* ANY remedies. That would be JUST like
claiming that a person were defending ASPIRIN if a bunch of crazy nitwits
like you suddenly sought to DENY everyone ACCESS to it. We clearly in
that case would NOT be defending aspirin. But we WOULD be defending
the RIGHT of everyone to have ACCESS to that remedy. I.e., to be free to
CHOOSE that remedy. And it is *precisely* the SAME with abortion.
Have you GOT it *this* time, or shall I re-estimate your IQ downward
by ANOTHER 10 points? Which would put it into the negative numbers.
It's a convenient smokescreen to hide an act of cold-blooded murder
in many of these abortions.
There's NO smokescreen, and you're off-topic again, since abortion is
not even REMOTELY connected to murder.
See how easy it was to win that debate, Craig?
It certainly was. I obviously did it again. Debating you ignorant
Anti-Choicers is like shooting sharks in a pickle barrel!
See how anyone can claim to win a debate, and how impressed
we all are with your claim?
Actually, I'd be worried if you WERE properly impressed. I really
don't want to have *any* admiration by bigoted losers like you.
BTW, there are words you can use other than bigotry and
intolerance when you argue these issues.
Sure there are. And I use them frequently, as applicable, and as
deserved by those who have rightfully EARNED tose descriptors.
For example --
For ANTI-Choicers: bigoted, hateful, intolerant, despicable,
ignorant, stupid, uncaring, uncompassionate, loser, and loathesome.
There are other synonyms which are applicable.
For PRO-Choicers: sensible, intelligent, compassionate, astute,
posessing integrity, caring, and fair-minded. Other synonyms for those
also are applicable.
It might be a bit more difficult to frame an argument, but you
might try it. Now go play with your blocks, you lying sack of *****.
Naw. That's much better suited to 3-year-olds such as you just
proved yourself to be with that last statement. In terms of maturity,
even if not chronologically.
-- Craig Chilton
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On Those Who Post ANONYMOUSLY...
"As for posting anonymously, it makes no difference
whether a FAIR-MINDED person who is opposed to a hateful
agenda (Anti-Choice) posts anonymously or not, since
he/she has NOTHING to be ASHAMED of in the first place,
when putting up such posts. The only anonymous COWARDS
are those who spew shameful hate and repression, while
hiding behind an alias in the process... just like a
Ku Klux Klansman who cravenly hides his face under a hood."
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01 Jul 2003 06:00:23 AM |
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"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vg2q74himdns11@corp.supernews.com...
In article <_J5Ma.2196$926.284@sccrnsc03>, "Steamroller" <Rene "Libs_R
Dumber Than Rocks" Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:3f05da71.3821946@netnews.mchsi.com...
As for mere entities of the reproductive process, -- which include
gametes, zygotes, embryoes, and fetuses -- they are all EQUALLY
valuable... or utterly worthless... depending upon whether or not they
are WANTED by a host who may or may not wish to spend 9 months
gestating them.
The same thing is true, of course, of your own mother, Craig - she was a
"mere entity" of the "reproductive process", and thus she was (like you)
a
mere piece of Leftist *****, and "utterly worthless", at least as far as
intelligent people are concerned, now that we have had a chance to read
some
of the leftist crap you post in these newsgroups, Craig.
Interesting that your best counter to his argument is name calling.
Since when is referring to someone as a "mere entity" (as Craig does above)
"name calling"??
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01 Jul 2003 11:36:37 AM |
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"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Next -- I LOVE it when Anti-Choicers draw upon that passage,
Fine. Draw upon THIS passage then, instead of submerging your pro-abortion
mind in the Bible, Craigie-poo:
"Human development begins when a sperm fertilizes an egg"
(http://www.nih.gov/news/stemcell/primer.htm)
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"Steamroller" <Rene "Libs R Dumber_Than_Rocks" Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pMiMa.75668$R73.9713@sccrnsc04>...
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:3f018231.21895996@netnews.mchsi.com...
Next -- I LOVE it when Anti-Choicers draw upon that passage,
Fine. Draw upon THIS passage then, instead of submerging your pro-abortion
mind in the Bible, Craigie-poo:
"Human development begins when a sperm fertilizes an egg"
(http://www.nih.gov/news/stemcell/primer.htm)
Human development, and hence human life, also end when Killer Crazy
Chilton and his murderous gang in this NG officially canonize as
saints women who gratuitously abort their babies. So, they not only
get to determine when life begins, they also get to determine when it
ends. One might say they've taken over what used to be God's work. I
have this feeling that their Maker is not going to look too kindly
upon this usurpation when they face Him. They had better "pray" that
God doesn't stock a lot of suction devices and sharp tools up there in
his own little abortion cabinets. (Marie)
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02 Jul 2003 08:36:54 AM |
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"Marie A." <LetEmEatWMDs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1dc521ed.0307011626.583ae19d@posting.google.com...
"Steamroller" <Rene "Libs R Dumber_Than_Rocks" Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:<pMiMa.75668$R73.9713@sccrnsc04>...
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:3f018231.21895996@netnews.mchsi.com...
Next -- I LOVE it when Anti-Choicers draw upon that passage,
Fine. Draw upon THIS passage then, instead of submerging your
pro-abortion
mind in the Bible, Craigie-poo:
"Human development begins when a sperm fertilizes an egg"
(http://www.nih.gov/news/stemcell/primer.htm)
Human development, and hence human life, also end when Killer Crazy
Chilton and his murderous gang in this NG officially canonize as
saints women who gratuitously abort their babies. So, they not only
get to determine when life begins, they also get to determine when it
ends. One might say they've taken over what used to be God's work. I
have this feeling that their Maker is not going to look too kindly
upon this usurpation when they face Him. They had better "pray" that
God doesn't stock a lot of suction devices and sharp tools up there in
his own little abortion cabinets. (Marie)
I think you stated it well, Marie. Today's immoral liberal Democrats such
as Craig Chilton feel no qualms about murdering innocent human life. They
disengenuously refer to such killing as "choice". On that basis, rapists
merely "choose" to rape and thieves merely "choose" to steal and racists
merely "choose" to burn crosses on Negro front lawns.
Today's liberal Democrats are sick, sick, sick.
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03 Jul 2003 02:04:54 AM |
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"Steamroller" <Rene "DumberThanRocks"
Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote:
... a TON of pure, idiotic, & bigoted hate-GARBAGE,
as usual.
And the response to it can be seen in the correct thread
from which she obtained it:
Re: the Ignorance and Bigotry of the RRR cultists
and the Rene Steubens of the world
-- Craig Chilton
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01 Jul 2003 07:15:15 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:36:37 GMT,
"Steamroller" <Rene "Dumber_Than_Rocks"
Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Next -- I LOVE it when Anti-Choicers draw upon that passage,
because it would be hard to come up with one that could be used
as a BETTER example of just how UNlikely is is that the Bible would
go to the extent of defending z/e/fs! (For the sake of brevity,
I'll use only the NIV in my responses.) Here's why. Turn to the
verses IMMEDIATELY *before* the ones often cited about the
assault on the woman, in the SAME passage:
Ex. 21:20-21...
20 -- If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the
slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished,
21 -- but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a
day or two, since the slave is his property.
Here we see the Bible treating:
A. An actual PERSON as mere PROPERTY.
B. It can be either a MALE or a FEMALE
C. There is NO penalty to the assailant if death doesn't occur.
D. If death DOES occur, the penalty is UNSPECIFIED.
So let's consider THIS scenario: A 13-year-old girl (or it could
be a boy) suddenly and inexplicably provokes the wrath of her owner,
who takes a rod and violently THRASHES her mercilessly to within a
millimeter of her life, and leaves her lying in a senseless and
unconscious bloody heap in the middle of a dusty road. She lies
there in abject agony, mixed with periods of unconsciousness, for
two days and nights. Then, 47 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds
after the beating, she manages to struggle to her feet and struggle
off, crippled and maimed, teeth broken off, arm broken, and with
an eye put out. The penalty to her owner for having inflicted
such horrendous, unconscionable and cruel damage? NONE!!
Or she DIES. What is her owner's penalty THEN? It's unspecified.
For all we know, it could be 3 lashes on the back of his hand by a
fellow slave owner, wielding a wet noodle.
Given all of this, the notion that the Bible would be concerned
with mere z/e/fs becomes totally LUDICROUS.
And THEN... we see today's laughingstock Anti-Choicers, who are
SO dumb and SO inconsiderate and SO hateful that they actually
waste their time supporting a truly LOATHESOME agenda that seeks
to impose IMMENSE hardship upon no fewer than tens of MILLIONS
of women by FORCING childbirth upon them. AGAINST their will.
Resulting in the DENIAL of their rights... their RELEGATION to
second-class-citizen status... their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to
mere, NON-sentient developing entities which are, in all important
ways, equivalent to sperm and ova (human, unique, NON-sentient,
a stage of development without which NO births would occur --
and alive); entities which the WOMEN would very properly, under
the circumstances, regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of
that hardship would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both
short-term and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and
the DESTRUCTION of countless of their opportunities.
And thus, their agenda is unconscionable, and they are without
excuse.
Fine. Draw upon THIS passage then, instead of submerging
your pro-abortion mind in the Bible, Craigie-poo.
"Craigie-poo?"
So ...**thanks** for this proof that not only are you an idiotic
hatemonger, but you are immature, too. A clear case of arrested
development. At, say, age 3 or so. (My apologies to any 3-year-
olds that might be offended by this.)
Next, there probably is no such thing as a "pro-abortion" person, so
you just PROVED that you are too ignorant to comprehend the word,
"choice." (And I'll bet even most 3-year-olds can understand THAT!)
"Human development begins when a sperm fertilizes an egg"
Correct. Human **development** begins at fertilization. But the
LIFE of any given human individual begins when the formation of his/her
respective GAMETES is complete. Mentally reverse-engineer ANY person
and you'll find that there was a period of time during which he/she
existed in the form of a sperm and an ovum. And that if the DNA of
those was SUMMED, it would be the SAME as at all *later* stages.
And if EITHER of those gametes had died while still in that sttage,
that person would NEVER have been born.
Stage ONE of the 4-stage reproductive process is the GAMETE
stage. POTENTIAL people, alive, unique, and human -- just like the
OTHER 4 stages.
And at least a QUADRILLION of those potential people are willfully
aborted DAILY, worldwide, via male masturbation.
While the Anti-Choice HYPOCRITES -- whose REAL agenda is
to control millions of REAL women, and make their lives miserable --
look the other way.
And then they wonder why they are America's National
Laughingstock.
ROTFL!!!!!
-- Craig Chilton
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"Steamroller" <Rene "Libs_R_Dumber_Than Rocks" Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bRdMa.74199$R73.9913@sccrnsc04>...
"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vg2q74himdns11@corp.supernews.com...
In article <_J5Ma.2196$926.284@sccrnsc03>, "Steamroller" <Rene "Libs_R
Dumber Than Rocks" Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:3f05da71.3821946@netnews.mchsi.com...
As for mere entities of the reproductive process, -- which include
gametes, zygotes, embryoes, and fetuses -- they are all EQUALLY
valuable... or utterly worthless... depending upon whether or not they
are WANTED by a host who may or may not wish to spend 9 months
gestating them.
The same thing is true, of course, of your own mother, Craig - she was a
"mere entity" of the "reproductive process", and thus she was (like you)
a
mere piece of Leftist *****, and "utterly worthless", at least as far as
intelligent people are concerned, now that we have had a chance to read
some
of the leftist crap you post in these newsgroups, Craig.
Interesting that your best counter to his argument is name calling.
Since when is referring to someone as a "mere entity" (as Craig does above)
"name calling"??
Yes, Craig would have said it was an "accurate descriptor." Therefore it's OK.
--S
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02 Jul 2003 08:42:26 AM |
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"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1414fd53.0307012119.7a5dc5de@posting.google.com...
"Steamroller" <Rene "Libs_R_Dumber_Than Rocks" Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:<bRdMa.74199$R73.9913@sccrnsc04>...
"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vg2q74himdns11@corp.supernews.com...
In article <_J5Ma.2196$926.284@sccrnsc03>, "Steamroller" <Rene "Libs_R
Dumber Than Rocks" Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:3f05da71.3821946@netnews.mchsi.com...
As for mere entities of the reproductive process, -- which
include
gametes, zygotes, embryoes, and fetuses -- they are all EQUALLY
valuable... or utterly worthless... depending upon whether or not
they
are WANTED by a host who may or may not wish to spend 9 months
gestating them.
The same thing is true, of course, of your own mother, Craig - she
was a
"mere entity" of the "reproductive process", and thus she was (like
you)
a
mere piece of Leftist *****, and "utterly worthless", at least as far
as
intelligent people are concerned, now that we have had a chance to
read
some
of the leftist crap you post in these newsgroups, Craig.
Interesting that your best counter to his argument is name calling.
Since when is referring to someone as a "mere entity" (as Craig does
above)
"name calling"??
Yes, Craig would have said it was an "accurate descriptor." Therefore
it's OK.
--S
Quite correct. Craig pulls a similar stunt when he refers to Killing Via
Abortion as a mere "choice". On that basis, raping a woman is also a mere
"choice", just as it is a mere "choice" to hold up the corner liquor store.
In an earlier age, before the Craig Chilton nutcases came out of the
woodwork, such things were referred to as "rape" and "robbery".
Today's Democrat Party is sick, sick, sick.
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:42:26 GMT,
"Steamroller" <DumberThanRocks"
Steuben@hotmail.com> ignorantly spewed:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Steamroller" <Rene "DumberThanRocks"
Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote
[ ... ]
Since when is referring to [an entity of the reproductive process]
as a "mere entity" (as Craig does above) "name calling"??
Yes, Craig would have said it was an "accurate descriptor."
That is PRECISELY what it IS. (But then, honesty is FAR from being
anything that hateful bigots like you have any acquaintance with.)
Quite correct. Craig pulls a similar stunt when he refers to abortion
as a mere "choice."
Wrong. Accessing the remedy of safe and legal abortion-on-request is
an OPTION. Carrying-to-term is the *other* OPTION. And fortunately, all
American women get to CHOOSE between those two options without
interference from loathesome bigots like you.
On that basis, raping a woman is also a mere "choice", just as
it is a mere "choice" to hold up the corner liquor store.
Wrong. Since abortion is a legal and harmless REMEDY, while
THOSE actions are ILlegal and harmful crimes. But it doesn't surprise
me a BIT that you are too bone-ignorant to know the difference.
<Asinine and LYING remaining tripe snipped>
-- Craig Chilton
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| User: "Steamroller Rene Libs R_Dumber_Than Rocks" |
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03 Jul 2003 07:13:36 AM |
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"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:3f05c91b.1848628@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:42:26 GMT,
"Steamroller" <DumberThanRocks"
Steuben@hotmail.com> ignorantly spewed:
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Steamroller" <Rene "DumberThanRocks"
Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote
[ ... ]
Since when is referring to [an entity of the reproductive process]
as a "mere entity" (as Craig does above) "name calling"??
Yes, Craig would have said it was an "accurate descriptor."
That is PRECISELY what it IS. (But then, honesty is FAR from being
anything that hateful bigots like you have any acquaintance with.)
Quite correct. Craig pulls a similar stunt when he refers to
abortion
as a mere "choice."
Wrong. Accessing the remedy of safe and legal abortion-on-request is
an OPTION.
Just as rape is an "option" for a man. It's generally quite safe for him,
btw.
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03 Jul 2003 01:58:21 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:36:54 GMT,
"Steamroller" <Rene "DumberThanRocks"
Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Marie A. wrote:
"Steamroller" <Rene "DumberThanRocks"
Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
[ ... ]
Next -- I LOVE it when Anti-Choicers draw upon that passag --,
Ex. 21:20-24 -- because it would be hard to come up with one
that could be used as a BETTER example of just how UNlikely
it is that the Bible would go to the extent of defending z/e/fs!
(For the sake of brevity, I'll use only the NIV in my responses.)
Here's why. Turn to the verses IMMEDIATELY *before* the
ones often cited about the assault on the woman, in the SAME
passage:
Ex. 21:20-21...
20 -- If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the
slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished,
21 -- but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a
day or two, since the slave is his property.
Here we see the Bible treating:
A. An already-human being as mere PROPERTY.
B. It can be either a MALE or a FEMALE
C. There is NO penalty to the assailant if death doesn't occur.
D. If death DOES occur, the penalty is UNSPECIFIED.
So let's consider THIS scenario: A 13-year-old girl (or it could
be a boy) suddenly and inexplicably provokes the wrath of her
owner, who takes a rod and violently THRASHES her mercilessly
to within a millimeter of her life, and leaves her lying in a senseless
and unconscious bloody heap in the middle of a dusty road. She
lies there in abject agony, mixed with periods of unconsciousness,
for two days and nights. Then, 47 hours, 59 minutes and 59
seconds after the beating, she manages to struggle to her feet
and limp off, crippled and maimed, teeth broken off, arm fractured,
and with an eye put out. The penalty to her owner for having
inflicted such horrendous, unconscionable and cruel damage?
NONE!!
Or she DIES. What is her owner's penalty THEN? It's unspecified.
For all we know, it could be 3 lashes on the back of his hand by a
fellow slave owner, wielding a wet noodle.
Given all of this, the notion that the Bible would be concerned
with mere z/e/fs becomes totally LUDICROUS.
And THEN... we see today's laughingstock Anti-Choicers, who
are SO dumb and SO inconsiderate and SO hateful that they
actually waste their time supporting a truly LOATHESOME
agenda that seeks to impose IMMENSE hardship upon no
fewer than tens of MILLIONS of women by FORCING childbirth
upon them. AGAINST their will. Resulting in the DENIAL of
their rights... their RELEGATION to second-class-citizen status...
their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to mere, NON-sentient
developing entities which are, in all important ways, equivalent
to sperm and ova (human, unique, NON-sentient, a stage of
development without which NO births would occur -- and alive);
entities which the WOMEN would very properly, under the
circumstances, regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of
that hardship would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both
short-term and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and
the DESTRUCTION of countless of their opportunities.
And thus, their agenda is unconscionable, and they are without
excuse.
Fine. Draw upon THIS passage then, instead of submerging
your pro-abortion...
Thanks for this FURTHER proof of your ignorance. Since NO one is
"pto-abortion." And VASTLY more people than *you* bigots are Pro-CHOICE.
Sensible and fair-minded people who ENSURE (and always WILL ensure) that
all women are free to CHOOSE, without interference, between to options of
the remedy of safe & legal abortion-on-request, or of carrying-to-term.
THEIR bodies. THEIR choice. NO one else's business!
...mind in the Bible, Craigie-poo:
"Craigie-poo" **additionally** proves that you are a sad case of
arrested development. An immature person who thinks like a 3-year-old.
Thus, a person who has NO credibility.
"Human development begins when a sperm fertilizes an egg"
Human *development*, yes. But NOT any given individual's EXISTENCE.
Reverse-engineer any person, and you'll find that he FIRST existed as
a pair of gametes (Stage One of the reproductive process) which had not
yet merged. Of which the SUM of their DNA is the *same* as the DNA of
that person from then on.
A QUADRILLION of those potential people, which are identical in ALL
important ways to the other three stages: unique, human, and alive...
are willfully aborted DAILY, worldwide, via male masturbation, while the
mindless and idiotic HYPOCRITES of Anti-Choice say NOT ONE WORD
in their defense.
<LYING and idiotic remaining bigoted propaganda snipped>
-- Craig Chilton
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02 Jul 2003 11:37:28 AM |
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Steamroller wrote:
Since when is referring to someone as a "mere entity" (as Craig does above)
"name calling"??
Craiggie has stolen the Childish Loser of USENET Award from Steve
Krulick, a dubious honor. (I'd love to see Craggie attack Stevie and
a flame-fest between these two chumps ensue sometime while the rest of
us laugh until we're crying.)
Dave Simpson
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04 Jul 2003 05:32:14 AM |
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"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:3f090eb3.20946694@netnews.mchsi.com...
On 3 Jul 2003 12:15:54 -0700,
Marie A. wrote:
Dave Simpson <david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Steamroller wrote:
Since when is referring to someone as a "mere entity" (as Craig
does above) "name calling"??
Craiggie has stolen the Childish Loser of USENET Award from Steve
Krulick, a dubious honor. (I'd love to see Craggie attack Stevie and
a flame-fest between these two chumps ensue sometime while the rest of
us laugh until we're crying.)
What's really funny, Dave, is if you read enough of "Suction All The
Babies," Killer Chilton's posts, they read like a bible thumper's
sermon, but sort of in reverse. I mean, this psycho is a "True
Believer" who would put Torqemada to shame in his zeal to snuff out
opposition to his Holy Pro-Choice Bible verses. He has to be an
embarrassment to even Hump 'n Dale and Mr. Catholic Basher, Captain
Queegan. Yep, the tyranny now comes from the left! (Marie)
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
As long as as clowns like you two are participating in here, we'll
never be short of comic relief! You lie like rugs, make total fools of
yourselves, are hateful bigots -- but your VERBIAGE in the process
of doing all of that is just funnier than hell !!
That's because Marie and the other conservatives who post here are brighter
than you Liberals, better-educated than you Liberals, can formulate logical
arguments better than you Liberals, construct stinging assaults on Liberal
arguments more effectively than Liberals can attempt to rebut conservative
arguments, and have a more powerful command of the English language than you
Liberals, Craig. Other than that, you are equal to Marie and her fellow
conservative cohorts in skill, Craig.
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04 Jul 2003 03:15:50 AM |
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(Dave Simpson) wrote in message news:<23e7f86e.0307020837.5b2ef39b@posting.google.com>...
Steamroller wrote:
Since when is referring to someone as a "mere entity" (as Craig does above)
"name calling"??
Craiggie has stolen the Childish Loser of USENET Award from Steve
Krulick, a dubious honor. (I'd love to see Craggie attack Stevie and
a flame-fest between these two chumps ensue sometime while the rest of
us laugh until we're crying.)
Actually, Dave, if you read some of aa's archives from this year and
last, Craig's real life is a hoot and a half. Forget the flames;
read the story behind the man!
Consider his ideas of the height in transportation and music (old
minivan; spliced casette tapes). His idea of a book tour consists of
a five minute plug on 4-am infomercial shows; his idea of a real
career involves driving delivery.
To make up for the fact that his life is pathetic and meaningless, he
has constructed wild stories about how glamourous and grand it is and
tries to sell it to us; for example his book-selling business is
wildly successful; he is on TV all the time and everyone loves him;
AND he's an elected official of a national political party! Of course
none of this was true, but just knowing Craig has to inflate the
purposes of his own life is satisfaction enough for me.
Craig's like an ersatz Forrest Gump. In his own mind.
--S
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04 Jul 2003 05:39:26 AM |
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"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1414fd53.0307040015.681995be@posting.google.com...
david_l_simpson@yahoo.com (Dave Simpson) wrote in message
news:<23e7f86e.0307020837.5b2ef39b@posting.google.com>...
Steamroller wrote:
Since when is referring to someone as a "mere entity" (as Craig does
above)
"name calling"??
Craiggie has stolen the Childish Loser of USENET Award from Steve
Krulick, a dubious honor. (I'd love to see Craggie attack Stevie and
a flame-fest between these two chumps ensue sometime while the rest of
us laugh until we're crying.)
Actually, Dave, if you read some of aa's archives from this year and
last, Craig's real life is a hoot and a half. Forget the flames;
read the story behind the man!
Consider his ideas of the height in transportation and music (old
minivan; spliced casette tapes). His idea of a book tour consists of
a five minute plug on 4-am infomercial shows; his idea of a real
career involves driving delivery.
To make up for the fact that his life is pathetic and meaningless, he
has constructed wild stories about how glamourous and grand it is and
tries to sell it to us; for example his book-selling business is
wildly successful; he is on TV all the time and everyone loves him;
AND he's an elected official of a national political party! Of course
none of this was true, but just knowing Craig has to inflate the
purposes of his own life is satisfaction enough for me.
Craig's like an ersatz Forrest Gump. In his own mind.
--S
Rumor has it that Craig actually owns a motor vehicle, however. Granted,
said motor vehicle is up on cinder blocks just 20 feet south of his
doublewide, but he owns a motor vehicle nonetheless.
Craig's pride and joy purchase (made just last year) for his automobile
comes to mind. Craig wanted to "keep up with What's Happening in the music
player world" and thus recognized the need to install some sort of device in
his vehicle which would allow him to play pre-recorded music of his own
choice. Craig had grown tired of being limited to the musical options
available to him by twisting the radio dial, so he felt it was high time for
him to "step up" a bit. Oh yes, Craig's pride and joy purchase? A
slightly-used 8-track tape player.
Craig is a delight to have in these newsgroups, I agree.
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"Steamroller" <Rene "Libs_R_Dumb_As_Rocks" Steuben@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<yPcNa.8659$I8.3350@rwcrnsc53>...
"Sneechres" <sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1414fd53.0307040015.681995be@posting.google.com...
david_l_simpson@yahoo.com (Dave Simpson) wrote in message
news:<23e7f86e.0307020837.5b2ef39b@posting.google.com>...
Steamroller wrote:
Since when is referring to someone as a "mere entity" (as Craig does
above)
"name calling"??
Craiggie has stolen the Childish Loser of USENET Award from Steve
Krulick, a dubious honor. (I'd love to see Craggie attack Stevie and
a flame-fest between these two chumps ensue sometime while the rest of
us laugh until we're crying.)
Actually, Dave, if you read some of aa's archives from this year and
last, Craig's real life is a hoot and a half. Forget the flames;
read the story behind the man!
Consider his ideas of the height in transportation and music (old
minivan; spliced casette tapes). His idea of a book tour consists of
a five minute plug on 4-am infomercial shows; his idea of a real
career involves driving delivery.
To make up for the fact that his life is pathetic and meaningless, he
has constructed wild stories about how glamourous and grand it is and
tries to sell it to us; for example his book-selling business is
wildly successful; he is on TV all the time and everyone loves him;
AND he's an elected official of a national political party! Of course
none of this was true, but just knowing Craig has to inflate the
purposes of his own life is satisfaction enough for me.
Craig's like an ersatz Forrest Gump. In his own mind.
--S
Rumor has it that Craig actually owns a motor vehicle, however.
Indeed. I suspect he is using it to deliver pizzas. Or something.
Seriously. I think that's how he makes his living.
Granted,
said motor vehicle is up on cinder blocks just 20 feet south of his
doublewide, but he owns a motor vehicle nonetheless.
Hey, isn't that *two* motor vehicles? I think a doublewide is
considered mobile, although maybe not a "motor" vehicle. ???
Craig's pride and joy purchase (made just last year) for his automobile
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