On 8 Apr 2004 07:36:45 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:

In article <0te9709uqskttdt8gc8l8o4ldu7p7tvgdd@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:

No murder is illegal killing.

Read a statute sometime. It seems (no offense), that
you are not very fluent in the law.

No you just become pedantic when it suits your fancy. Murder as
illegal killing is the dictionary definition.

That's fine, but please don't pretend to teach me.

Don't need to pretend, you are quite ignorant on many things.

Why do you think
there are different statutes, such as murder, or
manslaughter, etc..

"etc?" what classifications are there other than murder and
manslaughter for illegal killings? Manslaughter is unlawful killing
that wasn't intentional but was too probable by the person's actions to
be considered totally accidental. Just a special case of murder.


mur·der     P   Pronunciation Key  (mūrdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another

manslaughter - The unlawful killing of one human by another without
express or implied intent to do injury.

A legal statute is what you need to be quoting here,
especially since by using the word "illegal", the
definition you quoted shows this to be true. What
makes it murder, by law and not manslaughter, or
something?

Murder (first degree): "In most states, first-degree
murder is defined as an unlawful killing that is both
willful and premeditated, meaning that it was committed
after planning or "lying in wait" for the victim."

Murder (second degree): "Second-degree murder is
ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is
not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a
reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by
dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of
concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best
be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree
murder and voluntary manslaughter."

Manslaughter (first degree, or voluntary): "Voluntary
manslaughter is commonly defined as an intentional
killing in which the offender had no prior intent to
kill, such as a killing that occurs in the "heat of
passion." The circumstances leading to the killing must
be the kind that would cause a reasonable person to
become emotionally or mentally disturbed; otherwise,
the killing may be charged as a first-degree or
second-degree murder."

Manslaughter (second degree, or involuntary):
"Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an
unintentional killing that results from recklessness or
criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a
misdemeanor or low-level felony (such as DUI). The
usual distinction from voluntary manslaughter is that
involuntary manslaughter (sometimes called "criminally
negligent homicide") is a crime in which the victim's
death is unintended."

http://www.findlaw.com/index.html?srchfindlaw

On 8 Apr 2004 07:36:45 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:

In article <0te9709uqskttdt8gc8l8o4ldu7p7tvgdd@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:

No murder is illegal killing.

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) spake thusly:

Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 04:41:04 GMT,
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) spake thusly:

Pharisee Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:

RainLover

"...but now [God] commandeth all men every where to
repent:" - Acts 17:30

Yes, God did command all men everywhere to follow Him.
You may not like that, but your like, or dislike of it,
is irrelevant.

I don't mind your religious text saying that. What I mind is you, a follower of Jesus, ignoring
your own sinful life and the lives of those in your congregation in favor of pointing out the
percieved "sins" of those around you.

You don't know what my life is like.

Other Christian churches don't even see Homosexuality as a sin at all. You all read the same text,
why are YOU correct and THEY wrong?

God says it's sin.

You're not God.

Does one have to be a lawyer to know that murder is
wrong?

Who says murder is "wrong"? It's illegal. That's determined by laws.

Jesus said that you are NOT to deny gays the right to marry.

Where? Chapter and verse, please.

Matt 5:42

I don't see anything about gay marriage there. In
fact, in that same chapter, Jesus talks about adultery
and divorce and mentions only a marriage which involves
putting away ones WIFE.

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:00:22 -0700, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> spake thusly:

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 06:07:37 -0500, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:

And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God deal
with them personally?

He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.

God commands disobedient sons be stoned to death. His way shall be
followed! You don't get the
priveledge of picking and chosing which parts of the Bible you get to follow.

Once again, a lack of knowledge and wisdom speaks.

"The wise in heart will receive commandments; But a
prating fool shall fall." - Proverbs 10:8

"The way of a fool is right in his own eyes; But he
that is wise hearkeneth unto counsel."
- Proverbs 12:15

"A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil; But the
fool beareth himself insolently, and is confident."
- Proverbs 14:16

"Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to
buy wisdom, Seeing he hath no understanding?"
- Proverbs 17:16

"Wisdom is before the face of him that hath
understanding; But the eyes of a fool are in the ends
of the earth." - Proverbs 17:24