Science > Abortion > Re: Are YOU a Homophobe? If so, can you answer THESE Questions?
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01 Apr 2004 12:55:41 PM |
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Re: Are YOU a Homophobe? If so, can you answer THESE Questions? |
(Craig Chilton) wrote in message news:<40651edf.63886003@netnews.mchsi.com>...
1. WHY are you a BUSYBODY?
Why are you asking?
2. WHY would you give a flying rat's ***** about ANY
person's *private* sex life?
I don't.
3. WHY in the world would you seek to treat any
person or group of people with less respect based
solely on what they do in private, as consensual
adults? (How could that POSSIBLY be of ANY
importance to you?)
I don't.
4. IF you are opposed to same-sex marriage, WHY?
Because it is a sin. And if I was to support same sex marriage it
would be the same as saying the act of homosexuality is o.k., which it
isn't. So I will never vote for any candidate that supports
homosexual marriage.
Only a VALID, **factual** reason... such as a *way*
that any heterosexual couple's marriage would in
ANY way be threatened, and thus need "protection"
from this impending expansion of liberty... is appro-
priate as a response. (Mindless emotionalism
counts for *nothing*, and is NO excuse for
discrimination.)
Why are you the only one who thinks you can say what is valid or not?
That is a awful lot of power you are giving yourself. Ever occur to
you that some will disagree?
5. ENDA -- the totally-harmless "Employment Non-
Discrimination Act" -- which would have done
nothing more than ensure that people could NOT
be unfairly discriminated against in the workplace,
due to their sexual orientation -- failed by only ONE
(RRR cult-induced) vote in the U.S. Senate last
time, and will almost surely *pass* THIS time. Would
YOU be opposed to this very FAIR measure? If
so -- WHY?
I have no problem with laws that prohibit discrimination. A person is
there to
do a job, and only that job. Not bring in their personal lives. When
they bring in their personal lives, they set themselves up.
[[[ READERS -- if *any* person provides sensible and
intelligent answers to ANY the five above questions,
you'd better be sitting down. I've never seen ANY
person YET provide an intelligent and factual reason
for doing ANY of the above.
Craig Chilton < >
I believe my answers are sensible and intelligent. Your first
question about being a busybody, you kind of contradict yourself by
even asking people these questions. Makes you the busybody.
IMHO
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03 Apr 2004 05:07:37 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 00:58:49 GMT, "Peacenik"
<criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> spake
thusly:
"RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message
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On 1 Apr 2004 10:55:41 -0800, (osprey) wrote:
4. IF you are opposed to same-sex marriage, WHY?
Because it is a sin. And if I was to support same sex marriage it
would be the same as saying the act of homosexuality is o.k., which it
isn't. So I will never vote for any candidate that supports
homosexual marriage.
It's a SIN in your opinion, and in YOUR religion. It's not a 'sin' to
many others and to many other
religions.
Indeed.
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
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to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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| User: "RobertVB" |
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03 Apr 2004 08:10:15 AM |
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In article <5n6t60137de2o0l5cofpturt7mp82jaffe@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 00:58:49 GMT, "Peacenik"
<criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> spake
thusly:
"RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message
news:nibp60hjegk5rd4j8ue3m97hvmsilccb5l@4ax.com...
On 1 Apr 2004 10:55:41 -0800, (osprey) wrote:
4. IF you are opposed to same-sex marriage, WHY?
Because it is a sin. And if I was to support same sex marriage it
would be the same as saying the act of homosexuality is o.k., which it
isn't. So I will never vote for any candidate that supports
homosexual marriage.
It's a SIN in your opinion, and in YOUR religion. It's not a 'sin' to
many others and to many other
religions.
Indeed.
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians. In the US you can't hold non-believers to your
religious law. No one is forcing you to violate a single one of your
magic skyfather's laws.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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04 Apr 2004 09:55:26 AM |
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On 3 Apr 2004 14:10:15 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of
the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and
Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
- Romans 1:20
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by
nature the things contained in the law, these, having
not the law, are a law unto themselves:" - Romans 2:4
"...but now [God] commandeth all men every where to
repent:" - Acts 17:30
In the US you can't hold non-believers to your religious law.
The U.S. was founded about Biblical Law. You can claim
it came from Britain, but where do you think they got
it (and so on and so on, etc.)?
No one is forcing you to violate a single one of your
magic skyfather's laws.
Actually, you're wrong. That is being attempted.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"The real mark of someone who wants to know the Truth
is not that they expect others to prove it to them,
but that they seek after it themselves." - Chayil
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Apr 2004 03:48:33 PM |
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Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
Jesus said that you are not to force people to live by your rules.
In the US you can't hold non-believers to your religious law.
The U.S. was founded about Biblical Law.
It was not. The nation was founded on an ideal of liberty and
individual rights. Those idelas do not exist in the Bible and,
in fact, are contrary to much of what the Bible says.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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05 Apr 2004 07:06:31 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:48:33 GMT,
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) spake thusly:
Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
Jesus said that you are not to force people to live by your rules.
They aren't my rules, they are God's and nowhere did
Jesus speak of breaking God's commandments.
In the US you can't hold non-believers to your religious law.
The U.S. was founded about Biblical Law.
It was not. The nation was founded on an ideal of liberty and
individual rights. Those idelas do not exist in the Bible and,
in fact, are contrary to much of what the Bible says.
Wrong again.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
Read an amazing book! it's called; "The Evolution
of a Creationist", by Jobe Martin.
Buy it at: http://tinyurl.com/hq7k
Or read it online at: http://tinyurl.com/hq7q
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Apr 2004 12:53:58 PM |
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Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) spake thusly:
Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
Jesus said that you are not to force people to live by your rules.
They aren't my rules,
LIAR! YOU demand that people do what YOU say.
In the US you can't hold non-believers to your religious law.
The U.S. was founded about Biblical Law.
It was not. The nation was founded on an ideal of liberty and
individual rights. Those idelas do not exist in the Bible and,
in fact, are contrary to much of what the Bible says.
Wrong again.
Then show in the Bible where these rights exist, you stupid *****.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Apr 2004 08:36:34 AM |
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:53:58 GMT,
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) spake thusly:
Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) spake thusly:
Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
Jesus said that you are not to force people to live by your rules.
They aren't my rules,
LIAR! YOU demand that people do what YOU say.
Show me where I have done so.
In the US you can't hold non-believers to your religious law.
The U.S. was founded about Biblical Law.
It was not. The nation was founded on an ideal of liberty and
individual rights. Those idelas do not exist in the Bible and,
in fact, are contrary to much of what the Bible says.
Wrong again.
Then show in the Bible where these rights exist, you stupid *****.
If you don't know the Bible, then why do you claim that
it doesn't say it?
--
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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| User: "RobertVB" |
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05 Apr 2004 12:39:23 PM |
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In article <3ti2701sum1nbtqelv44jc91bbqfaf7vq2@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:48:33 GMT,
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) spake thusly:
Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God
deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
Jesus said that you are not to force people to live by your rules.
They aren't my rules, they are God's and nowhere did
Jesus speak of breaking God's commandments.
Whatever, so Jesus told you to not force people to live by gods rules.
Actually many christians beleive that Jesus came to fulfil the law and
thereby letting it pass so that christians are now bound by grace, not
the law. The only two remaining commandments giving by Jesus were
'Love God', and 'Love each other as you love yourself'. Jesus said
that all the current law flows from these two.
your particular flavor of the xtian cult might think differently, but
others don't.
It was not. The nation was founded on an ideal of liberty and
individual rights. Those idelas do not exist in the Bible and,
in fact, are contrary to much of what the Bible says.
Wrong again.
No, the US was formed on the idea of personal autonomy - you remember
the rights to 'life liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't you?
Those are definitely NOT bibilical concepts which is obedience and
supplication to Jehovah, and duty to him coming before personal rights
like the ones listed above.
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06 Apr 2004 08:31:59 AM |
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On 5 Apr 2004 17:39:23 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <3ti2701sum1nbtqelv44jc91bbqfaf7vq2@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:48:33 GMT,
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) spake thusly:
Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God
deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
Jesus said that you are not to force people to live by your rules.
They aren't my rules, they are God's and nowhere did
Jesus speak of breaking God's commandments.
Whatever, so Jesus told you to not force people to live by gods rules.
Jesus also told you not to force people to be silent
against sin, nor to support it, which is what you're
doing, when you try to change the laws to make it
legal.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
Evolution =
Unknown chemicals in the primordial past...through...
Unknown processes which no longer exist...produced...
Unknown life forms which are not to be found, but
could through...
Unknown reproduction methods spawn new life...in an..
Unknown atmospheric composition...in an...
Unknown oceanic soup complex...at an...
Unknown time and place.
Dr. Henry Morris
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| User: "RobertVB" |
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06 Apr 2004 09:48:52 PM |
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In article <49c570d297da6rtbtfmvuqfr3b3543kg12@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2004 17:39:23 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <3ti2701sum1nbtqelv44jc91bbqfaf7vq2@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:48:33 GMT,
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) spake thusly:
Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God
deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
Jesus said that you are not to force people to live by your rules.
They aren't my rules, they are God's and nowhere did
Jesus speak of breaking God's commandments.
Whatever, so Jesus told you to not force people to live by gods rules.
Jesus also told you not to force people to be silent
against sin, nor to support it, which is what you're
doing, when you try to change the laws to make it
legal.
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins. If you want to keep
members of your church from being gay or from being in gay marriages,
have at it - that's your right. But don't try and tell me what sin is
to me - you don't have right.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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07 Apr 2004 06:19:11 AM |
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On 7 Apr 2004 02:48:52 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <49c570d297da6rtbtfmvuqfr3b3543kg12@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2004 17:39:23 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <3ti2701sum1nbtqelv44jc91bbqfaf7vq2@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:48:33 GMT,
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) spake thusly:
Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God
deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
Jesus said that you are not to force people to live by your rules.
They aren't my rules, they are God's and nowhere did
Jesus speak of breaking God's commandments.
Whatever, so Jesus told you to not force people to live by gods rules.
Jesus also told you not to force people to be silent
against sin, nor to support it, which is what you're
doing, when you try to change the laws to make it
legal.
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
Theistic evolutionists are out to please men,
rather than God. They claim to believe in a
virgin birth, people rising from the dead, water
turned into wine and yet, they don't believe that
God created the heaven and the earth in six literal
days, thereby making hypocrites of themselves. Why?
Because man says it isn't so and they would rather
try to please men, instead of choosing to believe
God and stand up for Him. Preachers who claim
theistic evolution are the biggest hypocrites of all
and are in the most danger. Why? Read Isaiah 9:16;
Jeremiah 23:1, 50:6. What do YOU stand for?
"...choose this day whom you will serve. ...as for
me and my house, we will serve the Lord." - Jos 24:15
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| User: "RobertVB" |
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07 Apr 2004 12:24:57 PM |
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In article <5so770tnlbcmnlhjci1s57129h3mu36ai5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
No because this *IS* america and you can't force me to follow your
purely religious tenets. Murder is illegal killing, not sinful
killing. We are governed by secular laws, your superstitions are yours
alone, not mine.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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07 Apr 2004 06:25:37 PM |
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On 7 Apr 2004 17:24:57 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <5so770tnlbcmnlhjci1s57129h3mu36ai5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
No because this *IS* america and you can't force me to follow your
purely religious tenets.
If they were purely religious and this is a secular
nation, then you should be able to kill whomever you
wish. Before you type a response, pick up a coin, or a
dollar bill and tell me what it says. Could it be, "In
God We Trust"?
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
Read an amazing book! it's called; "The Evolution
of a Creationist", by Jobe Martin.
Buy it at: http://tinyurl.com/hq7k
Or read it online at: http://tinyurl.com/hq7q
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| User: "RobertVB" |
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07 Apr 2004 07:50:43 PM |
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In article <7d3970d1nmdqvmghrgc0a9n4vik54760fq@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2004 17:24:57 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <5so770tnlbcmnlhjci1s57129h3mu36ai5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
No because this *IS* america and you can't force me to follow your
purely religious tenets.
If they were purely religious and this is a secular
nation, then you should be able to kill whomever you
wish.
Actually you can, but you will be tried for it if its not a legal
homocide.
Before you type a response, pick up a coin, or a
dollar bill and tell me what it says. Could it be, "In
God We Trust"?
Which one? Thor? Odin? Jehovah? Loki? Apollo? Zeus? Allah? The
Creator of the Diests such as Thomas Jefferson? Bruce?
Any of them and all of them... As you know the reason the Supreme Court
allows that on the money is because it means nothing.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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07 Apr 2004 10:03:19 PM |
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On 8 Apr 2004 00:50:43 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
Before you type a response, pick up a coin, or a
dollar bill and tell me what it says. Could it be, "In
God We Trust"?
Which one? Thor? Odin? Jehovah? Loki? Apollo? Zeus? Allah? The
Creator of the Diests such as Thomas Jefferson? Bruce?
Avoiding the issue again, I see. We both know which
God is being referred to. Playing dumb seems to be
your fallback position.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
Evolution has never been proven and there
is no such thing as a clear progression of fossils,
showing that man came from anything else.
- Pastor Dave Raymond
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07 Apr 2004 06:24:10 PM |
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On 7 Apr 2004 17:24:57 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <5so770tnlbcmnlhjci1s57129h3mu36ai5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
No because this *IS* america and you can't force me to follow your
purely religious tenets. Murder is illegal killing, not sinful
killing.
Show me a murder that's not sinful.
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to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
The Bible says that death came by sin and sin came
by Adam (Rom 5:12; 1 Cor 15:21-22).
Evolution says lots of things lived and died before
Adam and Eve got here and therefore attempts to rule
out what the Bible says.
One or the other is right, but they can't both
be right.
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07 Apr 2004 07:47:32 PM |
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In article <7c3970hvjhgmjmof6h8pki43s19qrqp9jr@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2004 17:24:57 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <5so770tnlbcmnlhjci1s57129h3mu36ai5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
No because this *IS* america and you can't force me to follow your
purely religious tenets. Murder is illegal killing, not sinful
killing.
Show me a murder that's not sinful.
Since there is no such thing as sin, a religious concept, that's not
true. No murders are 'sinful' they are illegal. There are many forms
of legal homocide, murders are the illegal homocides. Sin has nothing
to do with it.
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07 Apr 2004 07:42:18 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:24:10 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2004 17:24:57 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <5so770tnlbcmnlhjci1s57129h3mu36ai5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
No because this *IS* america and you can't force me to follow your
purely religious tenets. Murder is illegal killing, not sinful
killing.
Show me a murder that's not sinful.
I think you read the above sentence backwards. Murder isn't
illegal because it is a sin. Murder is illegal because of the harm it
does to another person. Every society - including pre-Christian ones -
had a ban on murder.
Bard Kesnit
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07 Apr 2004 10:01:26 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 00:42:18 GMT, Bard Kesnit
<vtcheme@hotmail.nospam..com> spake thusly:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:24:10 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2004 17:24:57 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <5so770tnlbcmnlhjci1s57129h3mu36ai5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
No because this *IS* america and you can't force me to follow your
purely religious tenets. Murder is illegal killing, not sinful
killing.
Show me a murder that's not sinful.
I think you read the above sentence backwards. Murder isn't
illegal because it is a sin. Murder is illegal because of the harm it
does to another person.
Which is considered immoral and is therefore, illegal.
Did you think that they made it illegal, because it
could be the right thing to do?
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
Don't forget, Judas also left early.
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07 Apr 2004 10:02:06 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:19:11 -0400, Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
By your arguement, Pastor....
That means you can break Mosaic law and should be punished for it when you do (I'm sure you break
the laws of Allah all the time).
You wouldn't stand for THAT for a moment, would you, Pastor? So why would you think it so accepable
to reverse it.. to have non-christians obey Biblical law.
James, Seattle
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07 Apr 2004 06:23:30 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:02:06 -0700, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> spake thusly:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:19:11 -0400, Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
By your arguement, Pastor....
That means you can break Mosaic law and should be punished for it when you do (I'm sure you break
the laws of Allah all the time).
You wouldn't stand for THAT for a moment, would you, Pastor? So why would you think it so accepable
to reverse it.. to have non-christians obey Biblical law.
The laws of this nation are based on Biblical laws.
Did you not get that the first time?
--
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If something in science suddenly becomes
so sacrosanct that you can't question it,
then it ceases to be science," he said.
"And I really think that's what's become
of Darwinism." - Roger DeHart
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07 Apr 2004 07:45:08 PM |
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In article <va3970pktjb9gn4q5cdp5tk6f4esqs7968@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:02:06 -0700, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> spake thusly:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:19:11 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
By your arguement, Pastor....
That means you can break Mosaic law and should be punished for it when you
do (I'm sure you break
the laws of Allah all the time).
You wouldn't stand for THAT for a moment, would you, Pastor? So why would
you think it so accepable
to reverse it.. to have non-christians obey Biblical law.
The laws of this nation are based on Biblical laws.
Did you not get that the first time?
Actually you were proven wrong time and again.
Again, where in the bible are the preemptive concepts fo 'life, liberty
and the pursuit of happiness, enshrined?
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07 Apr 2004 07:10:04 PM |
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Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:va3970pktjb9gn4q5cdp5tk6f4esqs7968@4ax.com:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:02:06 -0700, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> spake thusly:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 07:19:11 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
But I'm not Christian - I can't sin your sins.
Sure you can. That's like saying, "I'm not an
American, so I can't be guilty of murder, when I shoot
someone in the head in your country.".
By your arguement, Pastor....
That means you can break Mosaic law and should be punished for it when
you do (I'm sure you break the laws of Allah all the time).
You wouldn't stand for THAT for a moment, would you, Pastor? So why
would you think it so accepable to reverse it.. to have
non-christians obey Biblical law.
The laws of this nation are based on Biblical laws.
Did you not get that the first time?
Actually, they are not. They are rooted in British Common Law which, in
turn, is rooted in Roman Law which precedes Christianity. Rome had
fairly good laws (at least prior to Julius Caesar's time). They just
never enforced them properly and corrupted their system so bad that it
was a travesty once the arenas became big business.
And, of course, slaves were exempt from any protections while patricians
were exempt from many requirements, especially from the 1st century AD
onward.
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Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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04 Apr 2004 11:25:05 AM |
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In article <k58070lb3ffj2oifro3iikmbvqhrdvkuva@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 3 Apr 2004 14:10:15 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of
the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and
Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
- Romans 1:20
Ok no mention of being told what to do here.
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by
nature the things contained in the law, these, having
not the law, are a law unto themselves:" - Romans 2:4
Ok it says the Gentiles (non Christians) are a law unto themselves.
Clearly they don't have to follow Xtian laws except incidentally.
"...but now [God] commandeth all men every where to
repent:" - Acts 17:30
and he gave us the right to refuse his commandments since before the
garden of eden.
Ok you've convinced me - God isn't going to force me to follow his
laws, why areyou trying?
In the US you can't hold non-believers to your religious law.
The U.S. was founded about Biblical Law. You can claim
it came from Britain, but where do you think they got
it (and so on and so on, etc.)?
No, the US was based on British laws based on saxon greco roman.
Point of fact most of the 10 commandments are not even encoded into
law. There are no laws for the two greatest commandments 'love god
with all your heart; and 'you love your neighbor as you will love
yourself'
No US law is very obviously NOT biblical law.
No one is forcing you to violate a single one of your
magic skyfather's laws.
Actually, you're wrong. That is being attempted.
No or no more than from the beginning of the country - the obligation
you have as an american citizen to allow others to follow beliefs that
are not yours. You most definitely don't have a right to force others
to act as if they were followers of your religion.
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05 Apr 2004 07:04:47 AM |
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On 4 Apr 2004 16:25:05 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <k58070lb3ffj2oifro3iikmbvqhrdvkuva@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 3 Apr 2004 14:10:15 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
And if it's a sin for gays to get married, then why not just let God deal
with them personally?
He will. But He also commands that His laws and His
ways be followed.
By Christians.
No, by all.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of
the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and
Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
- Romans 1:20
Ok no mention of being told what to do here.
Sure there is. Why do you think he said "they are
without excuse". Excuse from what? Following God's
ways, that's what.
"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by
nature the things contained in the law, these, having
not the law, are a law unto themselves:" - Romans 2:4
Ok it says the Gentiles (non Christians) are a law unto themselves.
Clearly they don't have to follow Xtian laws except incidentally.
What he's discussing, is those who have never known
God's laws, yet follow it by nature.
"...but now [God] commandeth all men every where to
repent:" - Acts 17:30
and he gave us the right to refuse his commandments since before the
garden of eden.
No, He gave us the opportunity to do so, not the right.
If He gave us the right to refuse to follow them, then
there would be no judgment.
Ok you've convinced me - God isn't going to force me to follow his
laws, why areyou trying?
You are acting the fool.
In the US you can't hold non-believers to your religious law.
The U.S. was founded about Biblical Law. You can claim
it came from Britain, but where do you think they got
it (and so on and so on, etc.)?
No, the US was based on British laws based on saxon greco roman.
Point of fact most of the 10 commandments are not even encoded into
law. There are no laws for the two greatest commandments 'love god
with all your heart; and 'you love your neighbor as you will love
yourself'
No US law is very obviously NOT biblical law.
Sorry, you are completely wrong. Even adultery and
sodomy were illegal here.
No one is forcing you to violate a single one of your
magic skyfather's laws.
Actually, you're wrong. That is being attempted.
No or no more than from the beginning of the country - the obligation
you have as an american citizen to allow others to follow beliefs that
are not yours. You most definitely don't have a right to force others
to act as if they were followers of your religion.
You are still not dealing with the facts. Attempts are
being made, to limit my religious beliefs and speech.
--
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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05 Apr 2004 12:33:34 PM |
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In article <1li2709vuv743kgnjr8kc7ca4g5omr3u33@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, the US was based on British laws based on saxon greco roman.
Point of fact most of the 10 commandments are not even encoded into
law. There are no laws for the two greatest commandments 'love god
with all your heart; and 'you love your neighbor as you will love
yourself'
No US law is very obviously NOT biblical law.
Sorry, you are completely wrong. Even adultery and
sodomy were illegal here.
And you perceive those as biblical? 2 minor congruities with virtually
all the major ones missing and you declare victory? Well whatever
works... :)
No one is forcing you to violate a single one of your
magic skyfather's laws.
Actually, you're wrong. That is being attempted.
No or no more than from the beginning of the country - the obligation
you have as an american citizen to allow others to follow beliefs that
are not yours. You most definitely don't have a right to force others
to act as if they were followers of your religion.
You are still not dealing with the facts. Attempts are
being made, to limit my religious beliefs and speech.
Exactly who has prevented you from speaking? Who as said you can not
believe as you wish? The only restriction is you can't make others
believe as you do or force them to act as if they beleive as you do.
That's just reasonable in a free society, right?
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06 Apr 2004 08:27:27 AM |
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On 5 Apr 2004 17:33:34 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <1li2709vuv743kgnjr8kc7ca4g5omr3u33@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, the US was based on British laws based on saxon greco roman.
Point of fact most of the 10 commandments are not even encoded into
law. There are no laws for the two greatest commandments 'love god
with all your heart; and 'you love your neighbor as you will love
yourself'
No US law is very obviously NOT biblical law.
Sorry, you are completely wrong. Even adultery and
sodomy were illegal here.
And you perceive those as biblical?
Yes. Did you think they were not commanded against in
the Bible?
2 minor congruities with virtually
all the major ones missing and you declare victory? Well whatever
works... :)
I listed two. Did you expect a complete list here?
No one is forcing you to violate a single one of your
magic skyfather's laws.
Actually, you're wrong. That is being attempted.
No or no more than from the beginning of the country - the obligation
you have as an american citizen to allow others to follow beliefs that
are not yours. You most definitely don't have a right to force others
to act as if they were followers of your religion.
You are still not dealing with the facts. Attempts are
being made, to limit my religious beliefs and speech.
Exactly who has prevented you from speaking? Who as said you can not
believe as you wish? The only restriction is you can't make others
believe as you do or force them to act as if they beleive as you do.
That's just reasonable in a free society, right?
Where did you get the idea that society is free to do
whatever it wants and whatever it thinks is right? Can
I just shoot you in the head in the middle of the mall
and not be arrested for my crime? Isn't it called a
crime, for a reason?
The law is about attempting to force people every day.
Do not murder, do not run a red light, do not steal, do
not have sex in public, etc.. What did you think the
law was about?
As for speaking, look at Canada. Already it is illegal
for even preachers to preach about homosexual acts
being wrong. They consider it hate speech. And here
in the U.S., the same type of law is brewing its ugly
head.
--
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason
Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary.
Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin and in the
rubble, you will find the sorry remains of the Son of
God. If Jesus was not the Redeemer... and this is what
evolution means, then Christianity is nothing."
- Richard Bozarth, Atheist
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06 Apr 2004 09:47:13 PM |
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In article <8rb5701jqkaafrf0nha2nre967stm3i99k@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2004 17:33:34 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <1li2709vuv743kgnjr8kc7ca4g5omr3u33@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, the US was based on British laws based on saxon greco roman.
Point of fact most of the 10 commandments are not even encoded into
law. There are no laws for the two greatest commandments 'love god
with all your heart; and 'you love your neighbor as you will love
yourself'
No US law is very obviously NOT biblical law.
Sorry, you are completely wrong. Even adultery and
sodomy were illegal here.
And you perceive those as biblical?
Yes. Did you think they were not commanded against in
the Bible?
they are secular too.
2 minor congruities with virtually
all the major ones missing and you declare victory? Well whatever
works... :)
I listed two. Did you expect a complete list here?
If you expected to be taken seriously, sure.
No one is forcing you to violate a single one of your
magic skyfather's laws.
Actually, you're wrong. That is being attempted.
No or no more than from the beginning of the country - the obligation
you have as an american citizen to allow others to follow beliefs that
are not yours. You most definitely don't have a right to force others
to act as if they were followers of your religion.
You are still not dealing with the facts. Attempts are
being made, to limit my religious beliefs and speech.
Exactly who has prevented you from speaking? Who as said you can not
believe as you wish? The only restriction is you can't make others
believe as you do or force them to act as if they beleive as you do.
That's just reasonable in a free society, right?
Where did you get the idea that society is free to do
whatever it wants and whatever it thinks is right?
'Whatever' isn't the issue of course, but your purely religious
restrictions of your particular cult. But what does this have to do
with our discussion about your religious freedoms? Can't deal with
this issue either so you're moving on to something else?
Can
I just shoot you in the head in the middle of the mall
and not be arrested for my crime? Isn't it called a
crime, for a reason?
And this has what to do with your paranoia about "attempts are being
made, to limit my religious beliefs and speech"? I asked who was doing
that and who was saying you couldn't believe what you wanted to
beleive. Then I stated the only restriction and asked if that wasn't a
reasonable restriction in a free society.
How you went from there to asking if you could shoot me in the head is
a puzzle but might indicate you have some other issues you really need
to deal with other than camping out here on the newsgroups.
The law is about attempting to force people every day.
Do not murder, do not run a red light, do not steal, do
not have sex in public, etc.. What did you think the
law was about?
So you are making a case that the law can restrict your free speech?
As for speaking, look at Canada. Already it is illegal
for even preachers to preach about homosexual acts
being wrong.
A distortion unworthy of a supposed Christian.
The sole ad that was fined was quite explicit.
References to the Leviticus call for the death of homosexuals next to
two pictographs of guys holding hands with an universal 'negation'
symbol drawn over them. That goes way beyond just saying you think
homosexual acts are wrong.
They consider it hate speech.
Well calling for the death of people both graphically and textually
would fit the bill if anything would. How about if it was a picture of
a black man with a negation symbol in it and text that says all blacks
should be put to death? Or a cross or star of david with the negation
symbol with similar 'they should be dead' text associated with it -
would you think that was 'hate speech'?
And here in the U.S., the same type of law is brewing its ugly head.
Hardly - that sort of stuff has been turned away at the lowest courts
if it even gets there. Oh yes, the right wing christian sites have
tried to allude that such could happen but nothing has ever really
happened. Even when the bill board with the same type of trash as the
canada ad went up the NYC attorney said there was nothing he could do
about it after a moment's consideration.
YOu will just have to figure out some other way to make a victim of
yourself.
And I do note you never once said who was trying to limit your
religious beliefs or speech.
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06 Apr 2004 10:00:54 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On 5 Apr 2004 17:33:34 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <1li2709vuv743kgnjr8kc7ca4g5omr3u33@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
As for speaking, look at Canada. Already it is illegal
for even preachers to preach about homosexual acts
being wrong. They consider it hate speech.
Why do you, who claim to be a Christian, and a "pastor" to boot, have
to LIE to promote your anti-gay views? Lying is specifically mentioned
in the top 10 no-no list - repent hell bound sinner!
In Canada, it is perfectly legal for religionists to preach about
homosexual acts being wrong within the confines of their religious
institutions and in private discussions. What IS illegal in Canada, and
is branded as hate speech, is *advocating genocide* against a definable
group such as gays.
Let's look at the actual Criminal Code of Canada:
319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in a public place,
incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is
likely to lead to a breach of the peace if guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term
not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Thus promoting the passage(s)in the Bible, in public in Canada, that
states that gays are to be put to death, can be hate speech. Even then,
religionists have a "get out of jail free card" built into the law.
Section 319 (3) of the Criminal Code of Canada states:
"No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2) - (b)
if, in good faith, he expressed or attempted to establish by argument an
opinion on a religious subject".
Thus religionists have a built in exemption from the hate speech laws
if they: (a) keep their opinions/comments within the confines of their
religious institutions and/or in private; and (b) of they make such
statements in public [and a church/temple/mosque is NOT defined as a
public place for this purpose since you have to voluntarily choose
religious behaviour] place as part of an attempt "..to establish by
argument an opinion on a religious subject".
Once again, it is amply demonstrated that some so-called Christians are
lying in order to promote their anti-gay agenda.... or do you "Pastor
Dave" just swallow whole any/all reports in the religionist
press/web-sites? perhaps doing a little fact checking to determine the
truth first will save you from an eternity in the lake of fire!
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| Title: Re: Are YOU a Homophobe? If so, can you answer THESE Questions? |
06 Apr 2004 03:09:06 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:00:54 -0400, "L. Michael
Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> spake
thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On 5 Apr 2004 17:33:34 GMT, RobertVB <nospam@4me.com>
spake thusly:
In article <1li2709vuv743kgnjr8kc7ca4g5omr3u33@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
As for speaking, look at Canada. Already it is illegal
for even preachers to preach about homosexual acts
being wrong. They consider it hate speech.
Why do you, who claim to be a Christian, and a "pastor" to boot, have
to LIE to promote your anti-gay views? Lying is specifically mentioned
in the top 10 no-no list - repent hell bound sinner!
In Canada, it is perfectly legal for religionists to preach about
homosexual acts being wrong within the confines of their religious
institutions and in private discussions. What IS illegal in Canada, and
is branded as hate speech, is *advocating genocide* against a definable
group such as gays.
Let's look at the actual Criminal Code of Canada:
319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in a public place,
incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is
likely to lead to a breach of the peace if guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term
not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Thus promoting the passage(s)in the Bible, in public in Canada, that
states that gays are to be put to death, can be hate speech. Even then,
religionists have a "get out of jail free card" built into the law.
Section 319 (3) of the Criminal Code of Canada states:
"No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2) - (b)
if, in good faith, he expressed or attempted to establish by argument an
opinion on a religious subject".
Thus religionists have a built in exemption from the hate speech laws
if they: (a) keep their opinions/comments within the confines of their
religious institutions and/or in private; and (b) of they make such
statements in public [and a church/temple/mosque is NOT defined as a
public place for this purpose since you have to voluntarily choose
religious behaviour] place as part of an attempt "..to establish by
argument an opinion on a religious subject".
Once again, it is amply demonstrated that some so-called Christians are
lying in order to promote their anti-gay agenda.... or do you "Pastor
Dave" just swallow whole any/all reports in the religionist
press/web-sites? perhaps doing a little fact checking to determine the
truth first will save you from an eternity in the lake of fire!
1) Do you have a reference for this quote?
2) Define, "establish by argument an opinion".
3) It wasn't a religious organization that was making
these claims about the law. It was the liberals.
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± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
The fact is, if you can't believe the beginning,
you can't believe the end and shouldn't claim to.
To disbelieve the beginning, is to doubt many things
that Jesus said. After all, He made it clear that
He believed it. If you believe in the Trinity, how
can you believe that God wouldn't know how it all
started? If you can't believe the beginning, then
get off the pulpit.
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