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"james g. keegan jr." |
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09 Jan 2007 08:11:02 AM |
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Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
09 Jan 2007 10:05:21 AM |
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james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
Dog ***** keegan pretends to be a mind reader, just like most other
control freaks.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
09 Jan 2007 10:35:00 AM |
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In article <45a3bd41$0$80051$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
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concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
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Dog ***** keegan
ray thinks calling me names will make people forget about his
anti-choice stance.
he's wrong.
as susan garvin wrote to ray fischer many years ago:
"You've yet to prove that he's slandering you. You argue for
abortion restrictions (or more precisely, restrictions on how
and when a woman can terminate a pregnancy) while simultaneously
denying it in your responses to Keegan. I'm sure it makes you feel
better to call him names, but you're fooling no one now. His
actions weren't pointless, since you'd previously convinced
people that you supported abortion rights."
<6...@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
ray hasn't changed.
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
09 Jan 2007 11:01:04 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
Maybe you could prove that allegation
once and for all, Big Jim.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
10 Jan 2007 06:17:36 AM |
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In article <1168405264.401688.149030@i39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
Maybe you could prove that allegation
sure. the following has been posted several dozen times. apparently
you haven't been reading.
restricting the methods of abortion has the same effect as
restricting abortion; even completely preventing it in some cases.
restricting the methods of abortion, once accepted as a concept, can
lead to any number of new and more restrictive abortion restrictions.
here is ray calling for restrictions on allowable methods of abortion:
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
here is ray defining the methods he would allow.
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray calling for the imprisonment of the women who will
not follow his orders.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And yes,
that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she be so
convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I don't think
that women should be treated like children just because they are
pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
10 Jan 2007 10:28:22 AM |
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james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <1168405264.401688.149030@i39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
Maybe you could prove that allegation
sure. the following has been posted several dozen times. apparently
you haven't been reading.
restricting the methods of abortion has the same effect as
restricting abortion; even completely preventing it in some cases.
restricting the methods of abortion, once accepted as a concept, can
lead to any number of new and more restrictive abortion restrictions.
It's a fallacy of the excluded middle.
keegan tries to justify extremism and fails.
Most sane people realize that compromises are made to allow society to
function. Total freedom is anarchy and leads to chaos. The right to
kill is unjustifiable, and keegan fails to justify any such right.
here is ray calling for restrictions on allowable methods of abortion:
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
Which allows a woman to end her pregnancy whenever she wishes, which
is the pro-choice position.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
10 Jan 2007 10:47:02 AM |
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In article <45a51426$0$80041$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
Most sane people realize that compromises are made to allow society to
function. Total freedom is anarchy and leads to chaos.
liar ray tries to justify his call for abortion restrictions the same
way he tried to justify his forgery.
"His claim of 17 reposts was pure fabrication, changing
the 17 to a 1 made him look more honest than he actually is."
-ray fischer explaining why he forged <rayD07MyG...@netcom.com>
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Jan 2007 10:22:47 AM |
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Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
Maybe you could prove that allegation
once and for all, Big Jim.
He can't. He's a liar.
He won't. He's a coward.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
10 Jan 2007 10:49:19 AM |
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In article <45a512d7$0$80041$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
Maybe you could prove that allegation
sure. the following has been posted several dozen times. apparently
you haven't been reading.
restricting the methods of abortion has the same effect as
restricting abortion; even completely preventing it in some cases.
restricting the methods of abortion, once accepted as a concept, can
lead to any number of new and more restrictive abortion restrictions.
here is ray calling for restrictions on allowable methods of abortion:
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
here is ray defining the methods he would allow.
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray calling for the imprisonment of the women who will
not follow his orders.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And yes,
that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she be so
convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I don't think
that women should be treated like children just because they are
pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
He can't.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Jan 2007 11:05:07 AM |
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james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <45a512d7$0$80041$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
Maybe you could prove that allegation
sure. the following has been posted several dozen times. apparently
you haven't been reading.
restricting the methods of abortion has the same effect as
restricting abortion; even completely preventing it in some cases.
Having any laws means living in a totalitarian dictatorship, in other
words.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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10 Jan 2007 11:40:51 AM |
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In article <45a51cc3$0$80075$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <45a512d7$0$80041$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
Maybe you could prove that allegation
sure. the following has been posted several dozen times. apparently
you haven't been reading.
restricting the methods of abortion has the same effect as
restricting abortion; even completely preventing it in some cases.
===begin restore unmarked deletion
restricting the methods of abortion, once accepted as a concept, can
lead to any number of new and more restrictive abortion restrictions.
here is ray calling for restrictions on allowable methods of abortion:
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
here is ray defining the methods he would allow.
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray calling for the imprisonment of the women who will
not follow his orders.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And yes,
that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she be so
convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I don't think
that women should be treated like children just because they are
pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
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Having any laws means living in a totalitarian dictatorship, in other
words.
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10 Jan 2007 12:31:00 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <45a51cc3$0$80075$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <45a512d7$0$80041$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
Maybe you could prove that allegation
sure. the following has been posted several dozen times. apparently
you haven't been reading.
restricting the methods of abortion has the same effect as
restricting abortion; even completely preventing it in some cases.
===begin restore unmarked deletion
restricting the methods of abortion, once accepted as a concept, can
lead to any number of new and more restrictive abortion restrictions.
here is ray calling for restrictions on allowable methods of abortion:
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
here is ray defining the methods he would allow.
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray calling for the imprisonment of the women who will
not follow his orders.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And yes,
that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she be so
convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I don't think
that women should be treated like children just because they are
pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
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Having any laws means living in a totalitarian dictatorship, in other
words.
Ray and Jim take great pleasure in their
feud which has no end in sight.
Maybe we all can agree on this: legalize all abortion a priori
until the 28th week of pregnancy.
At 28, the neurologic system is fully intact and pain can be
experienced.
That is a reasonable approach.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
10 Jan 2007 03:05:49 PM |
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In article <1168453859.227744.134480@i56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <45a51cc3$0$80075$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <45a512d7$0$80041$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <1168322270.311797.209480@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
The entire pro-chioce community should be charged
with first-degree mother. Women, doctors, counselors,
family members who support a given pro-choice desicion.
If found guilty, death penalty is automatic.
Murderous lunatic.
Ray understands less the more he posts.
he does not recognize 'illustrating absurdity by being absurd'.
moshki has no tolerance for the anti-aborts--zero.
ray has pretended to be prochoice for well more than a decade while
concurrently endorsing anti-choice legislation even to the extreme
of
imprisoning women who will not subjugate themselves to his will.
Maybe you could prove that allegation
sure. the following has been posted several dozen times. apparently
you haven't been reading.
restricting the methods of abortion has the same effect as
restricting abortion; even completely preventing it in some cases.
===begin restore unmarked deletion
restricting the methods of abortion, once accepted as a concept, can
lead to any number of new and more restrictive abortion restrictions.
here is ray calling for restrictions on allowable methods of abortion:
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
here is ray defining the methods he would allow.
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray calling for the imprisonment of the women who will
not follow his orders.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And yes,
that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she be so
convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I don't think
that women should be treated like children just because they are
pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
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Having any laws means living in a totalitarian dictatorship, in other
words.
Ray and Jim take great pleasure in their
feud which has no end in sight.
i'll take that as your thank you for my responding to your request
for facts, and as a reflection of what you are.
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10 Jan 2007 11:19:53 PM |
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Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray and Jim take great pleasure in their
feud which has no end in sight.
No, keegan is an obsessive lunatic who keeps attacking me for daring
to be pro-choice.
Maybe we all can agree on this: legalize all abortion a priori
until the 28th week of pregnancy.
keegan demands that ALL abortions be legal.
At 28, the neurologic system is fully intact and pain can be
experienced.
That is a reasonable approach.
It is an approach which keegan opposes.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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11 Jan 2007 06:03:06 AM |
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In article <45a5c8f9$0$80105$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
No, keegan is an obsessive lunatic
fischer is off on one of his obsessive smear campaigns and has been
repeatedly lying about my position, and about his own anti-choice
stance. proof of fischer's anti-choice positions is appended at the
conclusion of this post.
i am pro-choice. i always have been. there is a decade and a half
of posts from me to prove that fact. even words quoted by fischer
prove that fact.
in a bizarre example of insane dislogic, fischer claims that
supporting abortion restrictions is not forcing a woman to give
birth.
in a bizarre attempt to ingratiate himself with anti-choice
extremists, he has been attacking people who don't support his
abortion restrictions by lying and falsely claiming his adversaries
want the right to kill a health, full-term fetus, something
anti-choicers have wailed since the abortion newsgroups were formed.
In his attacks, fischer resorts to transparent lies what are even
contradicted by the very quotes he provides.
The conclusion is that fischer is just a misogynist control freak
who can do little but name-call.
restricting the methods of abortion has the same effect as
restricting abortion; even completely preventing it in some cases.
restricting the methods of abortion, once accepted as a concept, can
lead to any number of new and more restrictive abortion restrictions.
here is ray calling for restrictions on allowable methods of abortion:
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
here is ray defining the methods he would allow.
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray calling for the imprisonment of the women who will
not follow his orders.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And yes,
that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she be so
convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I don't think
that women should be treated like children just because they are
pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
11 Jan 2007 02:38:50 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray and Jim take great pleasure in their
feud which has no end in sight.
No, keegan is an obsessive lunatic who keeps attacking me for daring
to be pro-choice.
Maybe we all can agree on this: legalize all abortion a priori
until the 28th week of pregnancy.
keegan demands that ALL abortions be legal.
At 28, the neurologic system is fully intact and pain can be
experienced.
That is a reasonable approach.
It is an approach which keegan opposes.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Ray 'Hatfield' Fischer
James 'McCoy' Keegan
nothing's gonna change--altho it is beginning to
be clear that if Ray at one time had been leaning anti,
he is no longer.
James does not seem willing to accept change.
But as long as each enjoys the war without end
it will continue.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
11 Jan 2007 06:20:37 PM |
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In article <1168547930.455389.117950@i56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
nothing's gonna change--altho it is beginning to
be clear that if Ray at one time had been leaning anti,
he is no longer.
really? can you show me any evidence that ray no longer wishes to
impose abortion restrictions and imprison those women who will not
subjugate themselves to his will?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
11 Jan 2007 09:03:01 PM |
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Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
nothing's gonna change--altho it is beginning to
be clear that if Ray at one time had been leaning anti, >he is no longer.
Never was. keegan is an extremist who argues that any restrictions on
abortion are equivalent to a ban on abortion. To him everybody is
anti-choice except those who share his extremist position. Including
you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
12 Jan 2007 07:47:54 AM |
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In article <45a6fa65$0$80057$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
nothing's gonna change--altho it is beginning to
be clear that if Ray at one time had been leaning anti, >he is no longer.
Never was.
you're lying again. you always were and still are.
here is ray calling for abortion restrictions. note the last (3rd)
line, the one he often deletes when he responds.
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
and here is ray defining his current model of restricting abortions..
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray saying he's imprison the would-be mother.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And
yes, that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she
be so convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I
don't think that women should be treated like children just because
they are pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
12 Jan 2007 10:27:35 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
nothing's gonna change--altho it is beginning to
be clear that if Ray at one time had been leaning anti, >he is no longer.
Never was.
you're lying again.
Prove it.
here is ray calling for abortion restrictions.
Every sane person wants SOME restrictions on abortion. It's only you
fanatical extremists who insist that women should be free to kill healthy
full-term fetuses.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
12 Jan 2007 10:39:25 PM |
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In article <45a85fb7$0$80084$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
nothing's gonna change--altho it is beginning to
be clear that if Ray at one time had been leaning anti, >he is no longer.
Never was.
you're lying again.
Prove it.
you deleted the proof, again. don't worry. i'll restore it again.
*smirk*
it amuses me to see how many times i can make you run away from your
own words.
here is ray calling for abortion restrictions.
====begin restore unmarked deletion
note the last (3rd)
line, the one he often deletes when he responds.
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
and here is ray defining his current model of restricting abortions..
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray saying he's imprison the would-be mother.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And
yes, that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she
be so convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I
don't think that women should be treated like children just because
they are pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
=====end restore unmarked deletion
Every sane person wants SOME restrictions on abortion.
prove it.
--
"His claim of 17 reposts was pure fabrication, changing
the 17 to a 1 made him look more honest than he actually is."
-ray fischer explaining why he forged <rayD07MyG...@netcom.com>
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
12 Jan 2007 11:09:58 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
nothing's gonna change--altho it is beginning to
be clear that if Ray at one time had been leaning anti, >he is no longer.
Never was.
you're lying again.
Prove it.
you deleted the proof, again.
Impossible. You provided no proof.
here is ray calling for abortion restrictions.
====begin restore unmarked deletion
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
Which is definition of "pro-choice".
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
12 Jan 2007 11:14:53 PM |
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In article <45a869a6$0$80056$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
james g. keegan jr. <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
nothing's gonna change--altho it is beginning to
be clear that if Ray at one time had been leaning anti, >he is no
longer.
Never was.
you're lying again.
Prove it.
you deleted the proof, again.
===begin restore unmarked deletion
don't worry. i'll restore it again.
*smirk*
it amuses me to see how many times i can make you run away from your
own words.
here is ray calling for abortion restrictions.
====begin restore unmarked deletion
note the last (3rd)
line, the one he often deletes when he responds.
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
and here is ray defining his current model of restricting abortions..
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray saying he's imprison the would-be mother.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And
yes, that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she
be so convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I
don't think that women should be treated like children just because
they are pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
=====end restore unmarked deletion
====end restore unmarked deletion
Impossible. You provided no proof.
--
"His claim of 17 reposts was pure fabrication, changing
the 17 to a 1 made him look more honest than he actually is."
-ray fischer explaining why he forged <rayD07MyG...@netcom.com>
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
12 Jan 2007 07:21:39 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <45a6fa65$0$80057$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
nothing's gonna change--altho it is beginning to
be clear that if Ray at one time had been leaning anti, >he is no longer.
Never was.
you're lying again. you always were and still are.
here is ray calling for abortion restrictions. note the last (3rd)
line, the one he often deletes when he responds.
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
and here is ray defining his current model of restricting abortions..
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray saying he's imprison the would-be mother.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And
yes, that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she
be so convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I
don't think that women should be treated like children just because
they are pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
james, that post by Ray is more than 8 years old.
Can you date the others?
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Bill Gates: No friend to the very young. |
12 Jan 2007 07:24:37 PM |
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In article <1168651294.263034.186450@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>,
"Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <45a6fa65$0$80057$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
nothing's gonna change--altho it is beginning to
be clear that if Ray at one time had been leaning anti, >he is no longer.
Never was.
you're lying again. you always were and still are.
here is ray calling for abortion restrictions. note the last (3rd)
line, the one he often deletes when he responds.
abortion restrictions:
"What I proposed would allow a woman to end
her pregnancy at any time for any reason,
but would place restrictions on the methods."
<rayCJBvtr....@netcom.com>
and here is ray defining his current model of restricting abortions..
methods of restricting abortion:
"Any method that allows saving the life of the fetus without
placing the mother at significant additional risk."
<rayCJE1K1....@netcom.com>
and here is ray saying he's imprison the would-be mother.
prison:
"What punishment? I'd consider a deliberate killing of a fetus to be
manslaughter, with the penalties appropriate to that crime. And
yes, that does mean throwing the would-be mother in jail should she
be so convicted. While putting mothers in jail sounds nasty, I
don't think that women should be treated like children just because
they are pregnant. I expect _equal_ justice under the law."
Ray Fischer (r...@netcom.com) in
article1992Nov17.052121.2...@netcom.com>
james, that post by Ray is more than 8 years old.
my position is even older than that.
do you think ray secretly changed his stance?
Can you date the others?
sure. you can too. ray can even corrent or amend them if they have
changed.
of course, ray has responded to them more than 100 times in the past
few weeks without doing so. do you think that might be a hint as to
where he stands?
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