On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:39:26 +0100, "Heinrich"
<Heinrich@Ruhrgasnet.de> wrote:

"The Re"vr'ddd" <reniggade@anglikkkoon.com.za> schreef in bericht
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:13:33 +0100, "Heinrich"
<Heinrich@Ruhrgasnet.de> wrote:

"The Re"vr'ddd" <reniggade@anglikkkoon.com.za> schreef in bericht
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On 26 Nov 2006 23:49:39 -0800, "al nakba"
<williamhubbard@bluebottle.com> wrote:

Most people can't understand Welsh..

Llangwydgogochycwyr!

what? the 5 o clock express train is delayed again ?

Not exactly. That's Llanfairgwydgogochycwyr.

glad you told me, i will never get used to that language

Cmwr y glrwry. LOL

Heinrich wrote:

"Al Nakba" <williamhubbard@bluebottle.com> schreef in bericht
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A formula for disaster..

and nobody is talking about those poor Welsh people.

Heinrich wrote:

The United Kingdom should be broken up and Scotland and England
set
free as independent nations, according to a huge number of voters
on
both
sides of the border.


A clear majority of people in both England and Scotland are
in
favour
of full independence for Scotland, an ICM opinion poll for The
Sunday
Telegraph has found. Independence is backed by 52 per cent of
Scots
while
an
astonishing 59 per cent of English voters want Scotland to go it
alone.

There is also further evidence of rising English
nationalism
with
support for the establishment of an English parliament hitting an
historic
high of 68 per cent amongst English voters. Almost half - 48 per
cent -
also
want complete independence for England, divorcing itself from
Wales
and
Northern Ireland as well. Scottish voters also back an English
breakaway
with 58 per cent supporting an English parliament with similar
powers
to
the
Scottish one.

The poll comes only months before the 300th anniversary of
the
Act
of
Union between England and Scotland and will worry all three main
political
parties. None of them favours Scottish independence, but all have
begun
internal debates on the future of the constitution.

The dramatic findings came as Gordon Brown, the favourite
to
succeed
Tony Blair as Prime Minister, delivered an impassioned defence of
the
Union
at Labour's Scottish conference in Oban yesterday.

In an attack on the Scottish National Party, against whom
Labour
will
fight a bitter battle for control of the Edinburgh-based
parliament
next
May, the Chancellor claimed: "We should never let the
Nationalists
deceive
people into believing that you can break up the United Kingdom."

The ICM poll told a very different story, however, with 60
per
cent
of
English voters complaining that higher levels of public spending
per
head
of
the population in Scotland were "unjustified", compared to 28 per
cent
claiming they were justified. Even among Scots, 36 per cent said
the
system
was unfair, with only 51 per cent supporting it.

Voters also had serious concerns about the so-called West
Lothian
Question, the ability of Scottish MPs at Westminster to vote on
solely
English matters while many purely Scottish issues are decided in
Edinburgh.
Sixty-two per cent of English voters want Scottish MPs stripped
of
this
right and even 46 per cent of Scots agreed. The poll showed that
the
English
are more likely to think of themselves as British than the Scots
are.
Only
16 per cent of English people said they were "English, not
British",
compared to 26 per cent of Scots who said they were "Scottish,
not
British."

In the sporting arena, 70 per cent of English people said
they
would
support a Scottish team playing football or rugby against a
nation
other
than England. But, when the question was put to Scots, only 48
per
cent
said
they would back England with 34 per cent supporting their
opponents,
no
matter which country it was.

There was good news for David Cameron, the Conservative
leader,
when
voters in England were asked who they would back in a general
election
held
tomorrow. The Tories were on 37 per cent, with 31 per cent
backing
Labour
and 23 per cent supporting the Liberal Democrats.





Mr Brown said: "There is a debate to be had about the
future
of
the
United Kingdom. But I think when you look at the arguments - at
the
family
ties, the economic connections, the shared values, the history of
our
relationship which has lasted 300 years - people will decide we
are
stronger
together and weaker apart."

Mr Cameron said: "The union between England, Scotland and
Wales
is
good for us all and we are stronger together than we are apart.
The
last
thing we need is yet another parliament with separate elections
and
more
politicians spending more money."

Sir Menzies Campbell, the Lib Dem leader, called for a
"calm
rational
debate" on the role of MPs from Scotland, Northern Ireland and
Wales
at
Westminster. "The last thing we need is knee-jerk opportunistic
political
responses."

Alex Salmond, the SNP leader, said: "In England, people
quite
rightly
resent Scottish Labour MPs bossing them about on English domestic
legislation. England has as much right to self government as
Scotland
does."

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:39:26 +0100, "Heinrich"
<Heinrich@Ruhrgasnet.de> wrote:

"The Re"vr'ddd" <reniggade@anglikkkoon.com.za> schreef in bericht
news:456ac96f.406744@news.onetel.net.uk...

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:13:33 +0100, "Heinrich"
<Heinrich@Ruhrgasnet.de> wrote:

"The Re"vr'ddd" <reniggade@anglikkkoon.com.za> schreef in bericht
news:456aaa07.6749074@news.onetel.net.uk...

On 26 Nov 2006 23:49:39 -0800, "al nakba"
<williamhubbard@bluebottle.com> wrote:

Most people can't understand Welsh..

Llangwydgogochycwyr!

what? the 5 o clock express train is delayed again ?

Not exactly. That's Llanfairgwydgogochycwyr.

glad you told me, i will never get used to that language

Cmwr y glrwry. LOL

Heinrich wrote:

"Al Nakba" <williamhubbard@bluebottle.com> schreef in bericht
news:1164602128.653685.59970@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

A formula for disaster..

and nobody is talking about those poor Welsh people.

Heinrich wrote:

The United Kingdom should be broken up and Scotland and England
set
free as independent nations, according to a huge number of voters
on
both
sides of the border.


A clear majority of people in both England and Scotland are
in
favour
of full independence for Scotland, an ICM opinion poll for The
Sunday
Telegraph has found. Independence is backed by 52 per cent of
Scots
while
an
astonishing 59 per cent of English voters want Scotland to go it
alone.

There is also further evidence of rising English
nationalism
with
support for the establishment of an English parliament hitting an
historic
high of 68 per cent amongst English voters. Almost half - 48 per
cent -
also
want complete independence for England, divorcing itself from
Wales
and
Northern Ireland as well. Scottish voters also back an English
breakaway
with 58 per cent supporting an English parliament with similar
powers
to
the
Scottish one.

The poll comes only months before the 300th anniversary of
the
Act
of
Union between England and Scotland and will worry all three main
political
parties. None of them favours Scottish independence, but all have
begun
internal debates on the future of the constitution.

The dramatic findings came as Gordon Brown, the favourite
to
succeed
Tony Blair as Prime Minister, delivered an impassioned defence of
the
Union
at Labour's Scottish conference in Oban yesterday.

In an attack on the Scottish National Party, against whom
Labour
will
fight a bitter battle for control of the Edinburgh-based
parliament
next
May, the Chancellor claimed: "We should never let the
Nationalists
deceive
people into believing that you can break up the United Kingdom."

The ICM poll told a very different story, however, with 60
per
cent
of
English voters complaining that higher levels of public spending
per
head
of
the population in Scotland were "unjustified", compared to 28 per
cent
claiming they were justified. Even among Scots, 36 per cent said
the
system
was unfair, with only 51 per cent supporting it.

Voters also had serious concerns about the so-called West
Lothian
Question, the ability of Scottish MPs at Westminster to vote on
solely
English matters while many purely Scottish issues are decided in
Edinburgh.
Sixty-two per cent of English voters want Scottish MPs stripped
of
this
right and even 46 per cent of Scots agreed. The poll showed that
the
English
are more likely to think of themselves as British than the Scots
are.
Only
16 per cent of English people said they were "English, not
British",
compared to 26 per cent of Scots who said they were "Scottish,
not
British."

In the sporting arena, 70 per cent of English people said
they
would
support a Scottish team playing football or rugby against a
nation
other
than England. But, when the question was put to Scots, only 48
per
cent
said
they would back England with 34 per cent supporting their
opponents,
no
matter which country it was.

There was good news for David Cameron, the Conservative
leader,
when
voters in England were asked who they would back in a general
election
held
tomorrow. The Tories were on 37 per cent, with 31 per cent
backing
Labour
and 23 per cent supporting the Liberal Democrats.





Mr Brown said: "There is a debate to be had about the
future
of
the
United Kingdom. But I think when you look at the arguments - at
the
family
ties, the economic connections, the shared values, the history of
our
relationship which has lasted 300 years - people will decide we
are
stronger
together and weaker apart."

Mr Cameron said: "The union between England, Scotland and
Wales
is
good for us all and we are stronger together than we are apart.
The
last
thing we need is yet another parliament with separate elections
and
more
politicians spending more money."

Sir Menzies Campbell, the Lib Dem leader, called for a
"calm
rational
debate" on the role of MPs from Scotland, Northern Ireland and
Wales
at
Westminster. "The last thing we need is knee-jerk opportunistic
political
responses."

Alex Salmond, the SNP leader, said: "In England, people
quite
rightly
resent Scottish Labour MPs bossing them about on English domestic
legislation. England has as much right to self government as
Scotland
does."