Science > Abortion > Re: calling RAY, ROBERT, JOHN, INSTIGATOR, & JAMES!!!!!!
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31 May 2007 11:29:59 PM |
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Re: calling RAY, ROBERT, JOHN, INSTIGATOR, & JAMES!!!!!! |
Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
Pro-choice families, not a single unwanted pregnancy or abortion.
Then you guys obviously don't "walk your talk" - now do you?
I marvel that you would attempt such an argument. You see, there are
a lot of abled-bodied young men and women in college or in high-paying
jobs who shout their support of the war in Iraq to the skies. Yet
when it is suggested that they "walk their talk", they refuse to leave
their books or their jobs to join the Army or Marines to *do
something* about the cause they are so "passionate" about. Other
priorities, as one elected official once said.
I'd bet that you support the war in Iraq and that you are young and
fit enough to join the military. If that is the case, why haven't
you?
Other priorities?
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| User: "Luva79" |
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| Title: Re: calling RAY, ROBERT, JOHN, INSTIGATOR, & JAMES!!!!!! |
31 May 2007 11:44:14 PM |
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On May 31, 11:29 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
Pro-choice families, not a single unwanted pregnancy or abortion.
Then you guys obviously don't "walk your talk" - now do you?
I marvel that you would attempt such an argument. You see, there are
a lot of abled-bodied young men and women in college or in high-paying
jobs who shout their support of the war in Iraq to the skies. Yet
when it is suggested that they "walk their talk", they refuse to leave
their books or their jobs to join the Army or Marines to *do
something* about the cause they are so "passionate" about. Other
priorities, as one elected official once said.
I'd bet that you support the war in Iraq and that you are young and
fit enough to join the military. If that is the case, why haven't
you?
Other priorities?
you are right. I have thought about that very issue within myself. I
do support the war because there are people in this world who face
terrifying oppression and are too scared to defend themselves - and
you are right that if my husband were drafted I would be PISSED and
would want him to come home.
But that is because I didn't marry a soldier nor is my calling to go
to war. My war is here at home where more than a million unwilling
soldiers are brutally murdered in cold blood at the hands of the very
people who should have welcomed them into the world.
a war that defends the defenseless - that is the IRAQ war & that is
the pro-life war.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: calling RAY, ROBERT, JOHN, INSTIGATOR, & JAMES!!!!!! |
01 Jun 2007 12:19:08 AM |
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Luva79 <Luva79@gmail.com> wrote:
Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
I'd bet that you support the war in Iraq and that you are young and
fit enough to join the military. If that is the case, why haven't
you?
Other priorities?
you are right. I have thought about that very issue within myself. I
do support the war
You "support" OTHER people supporting the war while you sit on your
*****.
because there are people in this world who face
terrifying oppression and are too scared to defend themselves - and
you are right that if my husband were drafted I would be PISSED and
would want him to come home.
So you support a war which is killing people by the hundreds of
thousands because it will free them from oppression, and at the same
time you insist that pregnant women in this country MUST be oppressed
in order to save the lives of fetuses.
You, kiddo, are nuts. Bonkers. Raving loony. A murderous lunatic.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: calling RAY, ROBERT, JOHN, INSTIGATOR, & JAMES!!!!!! |
01 Jun 2007 08:26:22 PM |
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Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
Pro-choice families, not a single unwanted pregnancy or abortion.
Then you guys obviously don't "walk your talk" - now do you?
I marvel that you would attempt such an argument. You see, there are
a lot of able-bodied young men and women in college or in high-paying
jobs who shout their support of the war in Iraq to the skies. Yet
when it is suggested that they "walk their talk", they refuse to
leave their books or their jobs to join the Army or Marines to *do
something* about the cause they are so "passionate" about. Other
priorities, as one elected official once said.
I'd bet that you support the war in Iraq and that you are young and
fit enough to join the military. If that is the case, why haven't
you?
Other priorities?
you are right. I have thought about that very issue within myself.
I do support the war because there are people in this world who face
terrifying oppression and are too scared to defend themselves - and
you are right that if my husband were drafted I would be PISSED and
would want him to come home.
Did I read that right??? Did you just say that you would be angry if
your husband was drafted or enlisted to fight on behalf of people who
face oppression and cannot defend themselves? But isn't that a noble
and important undertaking? More important than, say, trying to pull
an "A" in a college course or writing application code for a financial
institution? You'd be *angry*?
Wow. Just wow.
But that is because I didn't marry a soldier nor is my calling to go
to war.
Very often, we don't get to choose our callings. And you yourself
stated that we all have to do things in life that we don't want to do,
referring to it as "responsibility". So what are we to do with the
complete disconnect between your words and your actions?
My war is here at home where more than a million unwilling soldiers
are brutally murdered in cold blood at the hands of the very people
who should have welcomed them into the world.
Soldiers, eh? More "someone elses" to fight your wars for you?
Soldiers for the homeland, perhaps? That sure rings a bell.
a war that defends the defenseless - that is the IRAQ war & that is
the pro-life war.
I have rarely seen an anti-choice Usenet article that is so completely
empty of meaning and connection to reality. Who do you imagine you
are fighting against?
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| User: "Luva79" |
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| Title: Re: calling RAY, ROBERT, JOHN, INSTIGATOR, & JAMES!!!!!! |
01 Jun 2007 09:43:59 PM |
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On Jun 1, 8:26 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
Pro-choice families, not a single unwanted pregnancy or abortion.
Then you guys obviously don't "walk your talk" - now do you?
I marvel that you would attempt such an argument. You see, there are
a lot of able-bodied young men and women in college or in high-paying
jobs who shout their support of the war in Iraq to the skies. Yet
when it is suggested that they "walk their talk", they refuse to
leave their books or their jobs to join the Army or Marines to *do
something* about the cause they are so "passionate" about. Other
priorities, as one elected official once said.
I'd bet that you support the war in Iraq and that you are young and
fit enough to join the military. If that is the case, why haven't
you?
Other priorities?
you are right. I have thought about that very issue within myself.
I do support the war because there are people in this world who face
terrifying oppression and are too scared to defend themselves - and
you are right that if my husband were drafted I would be PISSED and
would want him to come home.
Did I read that right??? Did you just say that you would be angry if
your husband was drafted or enlisted to fight on behalf of people who
face oppression and cannot defend themselves? But isn't that a noble
and important undertaking? More important than, say, trying to pull
an "A" in a college course or writing application code for a financial
institution? You'd be *angry*?
Wow. Just wow.
But that is because I didn't marry a soldier nor is my calling to go
to war.
Very often, we don't get to choose our callings. And you yourself
stated that we all have to do things in life that we don't want to do,
referring to it as "responsibility". So what are we to do with the
complete disconnect between your words and your actions?
My war is here at home where more than a million unwilling soldiers
are brutally murdered in cold blood at the hands of the very people
who should have welcomed them into the world.
Soldiers, eh? More "someone elses" to fight your wars for you?
Soldiers for the homeland, perhaps? That sure rings a bell.
a war that defends the defenseless - that is the IRAQ war & that is
the pro-life war.
I have rarely seen an anti-choice Usenet article that is so completely
empty of meaning and connection to reality. Who do you imagine you
are fighting against?- Hide quoted text -
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Did I mention I served in the Air Force right after Highschool in
97? My service term happened to end the year of 9-11. I didn't have
to go to war, but I did go through boot camp and the Texas heat - but
although I never had to go to war I think I have done a heck of a lot
more in that area than you have - am I right?
I am not going to be a prideful liar and say - "I would let my husband
go to war willingly if he was drafted" because anyone who says that IS
a liar - hello NOONE likes war - but it makes it worthwhile when we
are defending the lives of woman & children & husbands without
rights. I can't say that I am as brave as the people on the ground in
IRAQ or anywhere else - and I wont pretend to be. But I can do my
best here at home to fight for other people's lives who's war started
28 years before 9-11.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Jun 2007 12:00:19 AM |
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Luva79 <Luva79@gmail.com> wrote:
Did I mention I served in the Air Force right after Highschool in
97? My service term happened to end the year of 9-11. I didn't have
to go to war, but I did go through boot camp and the Texas heat - but
although I never had to go to war I think I have done a heck of a lot
more in that area than you have - am I right?
I am not going to be a prideful liar and say - "I would let my husband
go to war willingly if he was drafted" because anyone who says that IS
a liar - hello NOONE likes war - but it makes it worthwhile when we
are defending the lives of woman & children & husbands without
rights.
Rights which you want to take away from American women.
I can't say that I am as brave as the people on the ground in
IRAQ or anywhere else - and I wont pretend to be. But I can do my
best here at home to fight for other people's lives who's war started
28 years before 9-11.
So you want to see the US turned into a theocracy like Iran.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: calling RAY, ROBERT, JOHN, INSTIGATOR, & JAMES!!!!!! |
03 Jun 2007 07:51:01 PM |
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Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Did I mention I served in the Air Force right after Highschool in
97? My service term happened to end the year of 9-11. I didn't have
to go to war, but I did go through boot camp and the Texas heat - but
although I never had to go to war I think I have done a heck of a lot
more in that area than you have - am I right?
No. You are quite wrong. You're lucky that you served in the Air
Force, because if you had served in the Army or Marines, you would
have been recalled to active duty and possibly sent to Iraq. Which is
what has happened to many Americans. They have had to leave their
jobs and their families to serve in YOUR stead. And it is sowing
chaos into their lives - many have lost their jobs, their marriages,
even had to file bankruptcy.
Pat Tillman gave up a multi-million dollar professional football
contract to enlist. So you are wrong. You are young enough, fit
enough and experienced enough to resume serving your country in
uniform, but you are leaving that job for others, like so many other
chickenhawks.
I am not going to be a prideful liar and say - "I would let my husband
go to war willingly if he was drafted" because anyone who says that IS
a liar - hello NOONE likes war - but it makes it worthwhile when we
are defending the lives of woman & children & husbands without
rights. I can't say that I am as brave as the people on the ground in
IRAQ or anywhere else - and I wont pretend to be. But I can do my
best here at home to fight for other people's lives who's war started
28 years before 9-11.
There was no "pro-life" movement before abortion became generally
legal in the U.S. This is because moralizing busybodies didn't care
about abortion as long as it was illegal, dangerous and a source of
shame. But women were having abortions at about the same rate
*before* Roe v. Wade as after. Women have been using abortion to
manage their reproductive capacities for millennia. It is a 100%
certainty that more than one of your female ancestors had at least one
abortion. And if they hadn't, you might not be here!
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| User: "John Mayson" |
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03 Jun 2007 10:32:45 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Spartakus wrote:
There was no "pro-life" movement before abortion became generally
legal in the U.S. This is because moralizing busybodies didn't care
about abortion as long as it was illegal, dangerous and a source of
shame. But women were having abortions at about the same rate
*before* Roe v. Wade as after. Women have been using abortion to
manage their reproductive capacities for millennia. It is a 100%
certainty that more than one of your female ancestors had at least one
abortion. And if they hadn't, you might not be here!
I would add there wasn't a "pro-life" movement until about 1980-81. It
was ushered in with President Reagan and the "Moral Majority".
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John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
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| User: "Robert" |
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04 Jun 2007 12:23:41 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:32:45 -0500, John Mayson <john@mayson.us> wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Spartakus wrote:
There was no "pro-life" movement before abortion became generally
legal in the U.S. This is because moralizing busybodies didn't care
about abortion as long as it was illegal, dangerous and a source of
shame. But women were having abortions at about the same rate
*before* Roe v. Wade as after. Women have been using abortion to
manage their reproductive capacities for millennia. It is a 100%
certainty that more than one of your female ancestors had at least one
abortion. And if they hadn't, you might not be here!
I would add there wasn't a "pro-life" movement until about 1980-81. It
was ushered in with President Reagan and the "Moral Majority".
"Moral Majority" is as much a lie as "Pro-life"
The proper term is big mouthed Immoral Minority.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "John Mayson" |
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06 Jun 2007 10:13:28 AM |
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Robert wrote:
"Moral Majority" is as much a lie as "Pro-life"
The proper term is big mouthed Immoral Minority.
"The Moral Majority is neither" -- bumper sticker from the 80's
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John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
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| User: "Luva79" |
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| Title: Re: calling RAY, ROBERT, JOHN, INSTIGATOR, & JAMES!!!!!! |
01 Jun 2007 09:14:01 PM |
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On Jun 1, 8:26 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
Pro-choice families, not a single unwanted pregnancy or abortion.
Then you guys obviously don't "walk your talk" - now do you?
I marvel that you would attempt such an argument. You see, there are
a lot of able-bodied young men and women in college or in high-paying
jobs who shout their support of the war in Iraq to the skies. Yet
when it is suggested that they "walk their talk", they refuse to
leave their books or their jobs to join the Army or Marines to *do
something* about the cause they are so "passionate" about. Other
priorities, as one elected official once said.
I'd bet that you support the war in Iraq and that you are young and
fit enough to join the military. If that is the case, why haven't
you?
Other priorities?
you are right. I have thought about that very issue within myself.
I do support the war because there are people in this world who face
terrifying oppression and are too scared to defend themselves - and
you are right that if my husband were drafted I would be PISSED and
would want him to come home.
Did I read that right??? Did you just say that you would be angry if
your husband was drafted or enlisted to fight on behalf of people who
face oppression and cannot defend themselves? But isn't that a noble
and important undertaking? More important than, say, trying to pull
an "A" in a college course or writing application code for a financial
institution? You'd be *angry*?
Wow. Just wow.
But that is because I didn't marry a soldier nor is my calling to go
to war.
Very often, we don't get to choose our callings. And you yourself
stated that we all have to do things in life that we don't want to do,
referring to it as "responsibility". So what are we to do with the
complete disconnect between your words and your actions?
My war is here at home where more than a million unwilling soldiers
are brutally murdered in cold blood at the hands of the very people
who should have welcomed them into the world.
Soldiers, eh? More "someone elses" to fight your wars for you?
Soldiers for the homeland, perhaps? That sure rings a bell.
a war that defends the defenseless - that is the IRAQ war & that is
the pro-life war.
I have rarely seen an anti-choice Usenet article that is so completely
empty of meaning and connection to reality. Who do you imagine you
are fighting against?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Satan himself.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: calling RAY, ROBERT, JOHN, INSTIGATOR, & JAMES!!!!!! |
02 Jun 2007 08:53:10 PM |
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Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Spartakus<sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
I have rarely seen an anti-choice Usenet article that is so completely
empty of meaning and connection to reality. Who do you imagine you
are fighting against?
Satan himself.
Everything about your life is make-believe. That is an observation,
not a put-down.
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: calling RAY, ROBERT, JOHN, INSTIGATOR, & JAMES!!!!!! |
01 Jun 2007 02:49:23 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 04:44:14 -0000, Luva79 <Luva79@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 31, 11:29 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Luva79 <Luv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
Pro-choice families, not a single unwanted pregnancy or abortion.
Then you guys obviously don't "walk your talk" - now do you?
I marvel that you would attempt such an argument. You see, there are
a lot of abled-bodied young men and women in college or in high-paying
jobs who shout their support of the war in Iraq to the skies. Yet
when it is suggested that they "walk their talk", they refuse to leave
their books or their jobs to join the Army or Marines to *do
something* about the cause they are so "passionate" about. Other
priorities, as one elected official once said.
I'd bet that you support the war in Iraq and that you are young and
fit enough to join the military. If that is the case, why haven't
you?
Other priorities?
you are right. I have thought about that very issue within myself. I
do support the war because there are people in this world who face
terrifying oppression and are too scared to defend themselves - and
you are right that if my husband were drafted I would be PISSED and
would want him to come home.
But that is because I didn't marry a soldier nor is my calling to go
to war. My war is here at home where more than a million unwilling
soldiers are brutally murdered in cold blood at the hands of the very
people who should have welcomed them into the world.
a war that defends the defenseless - that is the IRAQ war & that is
the pro-life war.
I agree the war being waged by Pro-life is very much like the war in
Iraq, causing much grief to the innocent, and if you win your victims
will suffer even more. A war against the defenseless, causing much
death and torment to your victims.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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