Science > Abortion > Re: Craig Chilton, Pro-Abortionist, grows panicky over latest poll results
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12 Jul 2003 09:25:33 PM |
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Re: Craig Chilton, Pro-Abortionist, grows panicky over latest poll results |
On Sat 12 Jul 2003 08:31:34a, (Bethe57) wrote in
news:20030712083134.03463.00000202@mb-m16.news.cs.com:
Let me ask this..............do you, Omphalos, believe that women, who
find themselves pregnant, regardless of how they got that way (rape,
incest etc...), MUST carry to term and give birth?
Omphalos replied:
Allowing abortion for cases of rape or incest effectively blames the
preborn for another's (i.e. the father) crime. Killing a preborn because
his or her father is a rapist is no more justifiable than killing the
rapist's mother or father (perhaps even less so, in that, plausibly, a
parent could have in some way influenced, caused or contributed to the
son's actions. The preborn child has not yet been created; no causal
influence, and therefore culpability, is possible). The perpetrator alone
should be punished; punishing the preborn makes him or her a scapegoat and
the second victim.
I see no reason why incest often is coupled with rape in discussions of
abortion, except for the fact that both arouse in most people an emotion
of revulsion which proponents of abortion seek to divert from parties who
are guilty to individuals who are innocent-the nameless unborn.
I used rape and incest as examples, I did not intentionally couple them
together, they just came to my mind that way. So, I guess the answer to my
question is that you feel ALL pregnant women who find themselves pregnant,
regardless of whether they were raped or incested, MUST carry to term?
In the event that the mother's life is threatened, we must remember that
there are two patients involved. Every possible effort must be made to
save both.
I do not agree.........the woman's life comes first and takes priority; but, on
the other hand, I am fixing to contradict myself, the life of my son, I felt,
should come first when I was faced with the horrid medical conditions I had the
misfortune to encounter.........now that all that is over, and if I ever had to
face it again, I realize my life is far more important and should take
priority.
There are virtually no conditions that threaten the mother's life in which
abortion is a medically recognized treatment.
Yes, there are and I am living proof of them. Ever hear of pre-eclampsia or
toxemia? Both are life threatening to the woman--the only solution is to give
birth--generally speaking these conditions arise in the 3rd trimester of
pregnancy; if I had not had a C section when I did, I was, according to
medical experts, headed for a stroke or cardiac arrest, hence my son was born
one month early, and thank goodness he was just fine and I made it through. At
the time, it felt like a gun was at my head and I had no control over what was
going to happen. Very very terrifying. You could say I had a late term
abortion, because I did not carry to term, had to deliver in the 8th month or I
was doomed.
Quote from Dr. Alan Guttmacher, pro-abortionist and former head of Planned
Parenthood, in 1967: "Today it is possible for almost any patient to be
brought through pregnancy alive, unless she suffers from a fatal illness
such as cancer or leukemia, and if so, abortion would be unlikely to
prolong, much less save life."
I beg to differ and so do my doctors (probably). I notice he says almost any
patient.......I was not almost any patient, I was the exception. In fact, my
doctors said in all the many years they had been treating pregnant women, I was
the worst case they had ever seen......and you know what, I had no idea I was
so sick..........the Monday I had my son, I was just damn lucky to have had a
doctor's appt, regularly scheduled, and he didn't pass go, didn't collect
$200-----he told me they were admitting me immediately and phone calls would
have to wait........my husband almost didn't get there in time.....had to get
the local police involved to get him there in time.
The lives of the mother and the unborn baby are treated equally.
Doesn't happen that way though many people feel the way you do. Ask any
competent ob gyn and see what they say.
Sorry you didn't see fit to answer the rest.........but ok, we answer what we
choose to answer.
Bethe Blasienz
Bryan, Texas
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Craig Chilton, Pro-Abortionist, grows panicky over latest poll results |
12 Jul 2003 11:18:27 PM |
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In article <20030712222533.02908.00000191@mb-m29.news.cs.com>, bethe57
@cs.com says...
There are virtually no conditions that threaten the mother's life in which
abortion is a medically recognized treatment.
Yes, there are and I am living proof of them. Ever hear of pre-eclampsia or
toxemia? Both are life threatening to the woman--the only solution is to give
birth--generally speaking these conditions arise in the 3rd trimester of
pregnancy; if I had not had a C section when I did, I was, according to
medical experts, headed for a stroke or cardiac arrest, hence my son was born
one month early, and thank goodness he was just fine and I made it through. At
the time, it felt like a gun was at my head and I had no control over what was
going to happen. Very very terrifying. You could say I had a late term
abortion, because I did not carry to term, had to deliver in the 8th month or I
was doomed.
Another one is where at or just after the beginning of a pregnancy** the
woman is disagnosed with a rapidly developing cancer, such that to get
rid of the cancer before it becomes not feasibly treatable she will need
treatment during the pregnancy that would cause (as a side effect) major
developmental problems for the currently healthy embryo/foetus.
** This does seem to be detected in early pre-natal monitoring from time
to time, such that the problem may not have been detected in time to
save her life if she hadn't become pregnant about then!
Another is where the woman has a mental health problem such that
continuing the pregnancy would cause her to suicide or self-harm through
abuse of drugs etc.
Another is where medication the woman has been taking routinely to
control some sort of otherwise life-threatening problem would cause
developmental problems in the foetus or the woman abstaining from the
routine treatment would threaten her life.
Another is where the woman has a serious heart condition such that
pregnancy would overload her systems to the point of killing her.
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