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Re: Direction For This Group? Ask pedophile ***** bill allen |
On Nov 18, 12:06=EF=BF=BDam, Bill Allen <B...@nospam.org> wrote:
What is the direction for this group? I'm a long-time lurker and I've
finally decided to start posting here.
So you're a pedophile as well as a *****?
I've witnessed the troll
Boobandcarole =EF=BF=BDdo his best to destroy this group but so far he has=
n't
succeeded.
This group looks lost to me..
I salute those of you who stay and try to make it a
meaningful forum.
By "meaningful forum" he means a pedo
haven. It ain't happening, ***** bill..
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?=" |
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24 Nov 2007 08:25:22 AM |
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Go and kill yourself.
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=AA=BA=AAandcaroleRtm?=" |
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24 Nov 2007 08:39:28 AM |
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On Nov 24, 9:25=EF=BF=BDam, "Gwyne=EF=BF=BD Bennetdottir" <bennetwitho...@gm=
ail.com>
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Go and kill yourself.
Yeah *****/pedo bill...go kill yourself
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?=" |
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26 Nov 2007 07:17:50 AM |
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On Nov 24, 3:39=C2=A0pm, "=C2=AA=C2=BA=C2=AAandcarole(R)(tm)" <bobandcarole.=
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On Nov 24, 9:25=EF=BF=BDam, "Gwyne=EF=BF=BD Bennetdottir" <bennetwitho...@=
gmail.com>
wrote:
Go and kill yourself.
Yeah...
Good.
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=AA=BA=AAandcaroleRtm?=" |
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26 Nov 2007 08:20:31 AM |
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On Nov 26, 8:17=C2=A0am, "Gwyne=C3=B0 Bennetdottir" <bennetwitho...@gmail.co=
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On Nov 24, 3:39=C2=A0pm, "=C2=AA=C2=BA=C2=AAandcarole(R)(tm)" <bobandcarol=
e...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Nov 24, 9:25=EF=BF=BDam, "Gwyne=EF=BF=BD Bennetdottir" <bennetwitho..=
..@gmail.com>
wrote:
Go and kill yourself.
Your frustration is noted.
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?=" |
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26 Nov 2007 10:43:33 AM |
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On Nov 26, 3:20 pm, "=AA=BA=AAandcarole(R)(tm)" <bobandcarole...@gmail.com>
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[...]
Your frustration is noted.
I'm not frustrated.
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=AA=BA=AAandcaroleRtm?=" |
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26 Nov 2007 11:03:19 AM |
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On Nov 26, 11:43=EF=BF=BDam, "Gwyne=EF=BF=BD Bennetdottir" <bennetwitho...@g=
mail.com>
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On Nov 26, 3:20 pm, "=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BDandcarole(R)(tm)" <bobandc=
arole...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Go and kill yourself.
Your frustration is noted.
I'm not frustrated.
Ok, go kill yourself....
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?=" |
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26 Nov 2007 11:06:08 AM |
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On Nov 26, 6:03=C2=A0pm, "=C2=AA=C2=BA=C2=AAandcarole(R)(tm)" <bobandcarole.=
...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Nov 26, 11:43=EF=BF=BDam, "Gwyne=EF=BF=BD Bennetdottir" <bennetwitho...=
@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Nov 26, 3:20 pm, "=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BDandcarole(R)(tm)" <boban=
dcarole...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Go and kill yourself.
Your frustration is noted.
I'm not frustrated.
Ok, go kill yourself....
Why - I'm not frustrated.
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: Direction For This Group? Ask pedophile ***** bill allen |
26 Nov 2007 10:39:44 AM |
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On Nov 24, 7:12=C2=A0am, bobandcarole <bobandcarole...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 18, 12:06=EF=BF=BDam, Bill Allen <B...@nospam.org> wrote:
What is the direction for this group? I'm a long-time lurker and I've
finally decided to start posting here.
So you're a pedophile as well as a *****?
I've witnessed the troll
Boobandcarole =EF=BF=BDdo his best to destroy this group but so far he h=
asn't
succeeded.
This group looks lost to me..
I salute those of you who stay and try to make it a
meaningful forum.
By "meaningful forum" he means a pedo
haven. It ain't happening, ***** bill..
If your talking about alt atheism...yes it is a lost group.
The leader of this group, AA #1 Michelle Milkin, can't offer any
guidance.
Neither can long time posters such as Raven, Robibnikoff, Mark K.
Bilbo, Michael Gray, Kate, Floyd, Neil Kelsey, Ghod, Parsifa, Martin,
Lucifer, Syd M, John #1782, Enkidu, Hollis, Gail, Rev. Karl E. Taylor,
Martin, BuddyThunder, NC, Stoney, Medusa, David Silverman aka Sanity's
Little Helper, Al Klein.
All sick, sick individuals that are bankrupt with spiritual values.
See the discussion below to prove the point that as James Allen
reminds us - "Victories attained by right thought can only be
maintained by watchfulness. Many give way when success is assured and
rapidly fall back into failure."
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V wrote:
"...a true fellowship for the atheists to 'practice what they
preach'... that sounds like a sorely needed tool. I've always said
that atheists need a church of sorts for themselves, to support moral,
ethical and right living."
Panama Floyd responds:
"*****. I am not that weak. The only thing I need to "support
moral, ethical and right living" is simple human empathy and
compassion. That anyone would need anything else is a mystery to me.
Perhaps I'm just a better person than they are (V)."
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One common area we all seem to suffer from is that of egoist
judgementalism. Whenever we meet others we can tend to pigeon hole
these individuals into the following 3 groups. The person is either
judged better than us or an equal to us or below us. This is an area I
work to be mindful of and reduce it and not promote it, for it stems
from the ego. What helps me is to practice humility, practice
compassion by looking for insight into the other person suffering and
to see these types of judgments as ego based and not useful and to nip
them I the bud when they pop up.
The dictionary defines judgmental as: determination, verdict, decree,
discrimination, sagacity, wisdom, prudence, taste. To be able to form
a judgment is defined as: to have the ability to judge, make a
decision, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively and wisely.
The only negative term I try to avoid in the definition of judgmental
is "discrimination." Prejudicial discrimination is defined as: an
unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge,
thought or reason. I try not to discriminate against others and
subscribe to "live and let live."
Lets look at Panama Floyd's claim that the only thing he needs to
"support moral, ethical and right living" is simple human empathy and
compassion. Yes, he has it right as far as 'needs,' but if we look at
his life expressed through his words - it shows a bankrupt Floyd in
the areas of moral, ethical and right living via simple human empathy
and compassion. It is as the 12 step saying goes...if you talk the
talk you have to walk the walk...for the talk to be any good.
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Panama Floyd writes on the subject of human empathy and compassion to
support moral, ethical and right living:
"Then don't whine like a ***** when your butt gets fucked,"
"...Take it (bible) and shove it up that smelly little ***** you're
using for a *****."
"You're not smart enough, or brave enough to be an atheist. Keep your
idiotic dead-jew-on-a-stick, buttsuck. Fear of it is probably the only
thing keeping you from having sex with your siblings."
"Shaddap, *****. If I want your opinion, I'll give you one."
"Go ***** yourself, Christian...Were I a violent man, I'd advocate you
all being rounded up and jailed, to keep you from ruining other
lives."
"Go ***** yourself, shitstain. You come in here and insult people-and
then whine about the reception you get? *****, I wish it caused you
psyical pain to be so ruthlessly stupid."
"***** ya brainless fucking twat!"
"***** Jesus. Your dead-jew-on-a-stick probably never existed, and if
he did, he was man-not a god. I don't take "commands" from an
illiterate, superstious Bronze Age peasant.'
"What are *you* doing back here, you dumb *****-assed punk? Ways of
disposing with the human garbage called "missionaries" is very
definately on-topic."
"I'm just really tired of the myth that atheists have no emotional
feelings simply because we don't believe in gods. It's like they're
telling me I'm not human."
"Of course, dehumanization is the most common tool of the bigot..."
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Well, Floyd does comes through with a little humanity with his last 2
quotes. He shows his emotional makeup in his writings and gets at the
root cause of some of his hostility. Maybe people question your lack
of humanity Floyd and you are confusing this with the question of
being human? When you were a Baptist Floyd, were you as hateful? You
can most certainly be human Floyd, but not be humane. Floyd summarizes
his efforts at atheism with the truth when he writes...
'dehumanization is the most common tool of the bigot.' You can correct
your lack of humanity Floyd by increasing your empathy and compassion
as you wrote about, but fall short of actually doing what you say
Floyd.
Without spiritual values, the atheist is sunk. The conundrum of the
mind manacled, defiance based, spiritually sick atheist is this. They
need spiritual values to be at peace - yet their own defiance blocks
them from seeking and finding these values.
The atheist that only has a foundation of ego and hate will never find
peace. If any theist questioning their faith should wonder onto
alt.atheism, for instance, they could see this for themselves with
many spiritually sick example members and their projection of this
spiritual sickness and self hate onto others.
What is missing in these atheists lives?
Do they need to get religion?
Not necessarily.
As we see, many people claiming to be religious are just as bad off as
atheists or sometimes worse.
"People that practice religion are worried about going to hell -
people that practice spirituality have already been to hell and don't
want to go back."
Spiritual values is what they are short on.
Such atheists full of defiance and devoid of spiritual values are
'dogmatic skeptics', whereas atheists that are open to spiritual
values are of the order of 'skeptical skeptics.' The spiritual based
atheists have not forgotten 'All Deities reside within the human
breast' as Blake wrote. There is a world of difference between the two
types of atheists...a night and day difference. The spiritual based
atheists 'deifies humanity and peace' the defiance based atheist
'deifies their ego' and loses any connection with humanity and becomes
a haggard, shell of a human.
A lot of atheists I run into make their intellect their God. They do
not know that academic smarts are not the same as peace smarts. Until
they can transcend their ego they will never find the answer (peace)
they seek. It is the same for those that think money is all that is
standing between them and happiness. So it goes for the ego and
intellect based person that is devoid of spiritual values. Always
remember...one thing only goes so far with giving a person a good
life. Seek balance. Spiritual growth as well as humans are not
perfect, but we can all do better at being humane if we try.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D4.0
There are many flavors of atheists...natural atheists, personal
atheists, explicit atheists, implicit atheists weak atheists, strong
atheists, discovery atheists, reactionary atheists, indoctrinated
atheists and of course the bad ***** atheists with attitude aka BAAWA
varieties. But the defining characteristic that leads an atheist to
peace is whether they are a 'spiritual based atheist' or 'defiance
based atheist.'' I have to laugh sometimes when I read the fantasies
of atheists that think atheism will take over the world. It would take
a different brand of atheist to persuade many to change if they
investigate the online atheists of the usenet to any degree.
In short you must become spiritual based atheists to offer something
to the religious crowd instead of the defiance based atheists that
many of you are. We can examine our actions to see what useful tools
for finding peace we offer to others. This evaluation says a lot about
our own practice of generating inner peace. When you practice peace
promotion with others you will reap inner peace promotion.
But, spiritual values and atheists do not generally mix. One atheist
gave his views on this subject of discussing spiritual tools to live
by:
AK writes:
"What is spirit or spirituality? Without knowing what you mean by the
word, one can't know what you mean. Why study something for which you
not only have no evidence, but not even a definition?"
Yes, spiritual concepts are hard to define, just as the source of the
wind is hard to define. Since spiritual matters deal with the unseen
and the unknown, how can we define them perfectly? If we could do that
they would not be spiritual studies. You can't see why one person is
loving and kind and another person is a fiend of perennial shame, hate
and destruction. Nor can you see what made the hate monger change into
a kind and loving human. We can describe spiritual concepts and the
journey that made the change possible, but it is impossible to put our
finger on it all exactly.
Spiritual growth is a journey that is a never ending, an imperfect
process in this life. But just as we can see the effects of the wind,
while being blind to its source; we can most definitely see the
difference in people that incorporate spiritual values within their
lives when compared to people that live a life devoid of any spiritual
values.Their are many fields of spiritual studies. We can separate the
studies into two main fields; the corporeal and the meta-corporeal.
Some of these studies deal with energy fields, meditative states of
consciousness, out of body and near death accounts, psychic research,
etc.
"No man is so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other
counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for
a master." Ben Jonson
No one said we have to 'investigate it all,' but we do have to give it
some thought if we wish to be at peace. A Hindu sage once told me
"Just as water floes downhill without effort but requires outside
forces and energy to make it move uphill. So the human consciousness
falls to its lowest levels of the senses without effort and energies
to make our consciousness gravitate to more than our base desires." As
such without effort the defiance based atheists sinks deeper and
deeper into sickness and tragedy as time goes by.
The business of humanism is 'all our business' if we with to live life
at peace. Egocentricity is not good for spiritual work and we need to
be open to others ideas and embrace them as nourishment for your
growth and sustenance for life - as no one person is god. As a
freethinking agnostic I AM FREE to look for truth wherever the road
takes me. I discriminate against no one. As such, I study with the
Christians, the Buddhists, the Jews, the Muslims, the Taoists and even
find truth as I study with the atheists.
When you practice peace promotion with others you will reap inner
peace promotion. When you practice destroying others peace, you will
reap self destruction of inner peace. I suggest any atheists wishing
to find inner peace within their life adopt the creed of the atheists
(their version of prepackaged morals) and become secular humanists as
a good first start.
The 'informal creed' of atheism.
An Atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An Atheist believes
that heaven is something for which we should work now =E2=80=93 here on eart=
h
for all men together to enjoy.
An Atheist believes that he can get no help through prayer but that he
must find in himself the inner conviction, and strength to meet life,
to grapple with it, to subdue it and enjoy it.
An Atheist believes that only in a knowledge of himself and a
knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will
help to a life of fulfillment. He seeks to know himself and his fellow
man rather than to know a god. An Atheist believes that a hospital
should be built instead of a church.
An Atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer
said.
An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death.
He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He
wants man to understand and love man.
He wants an ethical way of life. He believes that we cannot rely on a
god or channel action into prayer nor hope for an end of troubles in a
hereafter.
He believes that we are our brother's keepers; and are keepers of our
own lives; that we are responsible persons and the job is here and the
time is now.=E2=80=9D
http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/
"The Affirmations of Humanism: A Statement of Principles"
=E2=80=A2 We are committed to the application of reason and science to the
understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.
=E2=80=A2 We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to
explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature
for salvation.
=E2=80=A2 We believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute=
to the betterment of human life.
=E2=80=A2 We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy i=
s
the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian
elites and repressive majorities.
=E2=80=A2 We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and
state.
=E2=80=A2 We cultivate the arts of negotiation and compromise as a means of
resolving differences and achieving mutual understanding.
=E2=80=A2 We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and=
with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.
=E2=80=A2 We believe in supporting the disadvantaged and the handicapped so
that they will be able to help themselves.
=E2=80=A2 We attempt to transcend divisive parochial loyalties based on race=
,
religion, gender, nationality, creed, class, sexual orientation, or
ethnicity, and strive to work together for the common good of
humanity.
=E2=80=A2 We want to protect and enhance the earth, to preserve it for futur=
e
generations, and to avoid inflicting needless suffering on other
species.
=E2=80=A2 We believe in enjoying life here and now and in developing our
creative talents to their fullest.
=E2=80=A2 We believe in the cultivation of moral excellence.
=E2=80=A2 We respect the right to privacy. Mature adults should be allowed t=
o
fulfill their aspirations, to express their sexual preferences, to
exercise reproductive freedom, to have access to comprehensive and
informed health-care, and to die with dignity.
=E2=80=A2 We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity,
honesty, truthfulness, responsibility. Humanist ethics is amenable to
critical, rational guidance. There are normative standards that we
discover together. Moral principles are tested by their consequences.
=E2=80=A2 We are deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. =
We
want to nourish reason and compassion.
=E2=80=A2 We are engaged by the arts no less than by the sciences.
=E2=80=A2 We are citizens of the universe and are excited by discoveries sti=
ll
to be made in the cosmos.
=E2=80=A2 We are skeptical of untested claims to knowledge, and we are open =
to
novel ideas and seek new departures in our thinking.
=E2=80=A2 We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of
despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal
significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others.
=E2=80=A2 We believe in optimism rather than pessimism, hope rather than
despair, learning in the place of dogma, truth instead of ignorance,
joy rather than guilt or sin, tolerance in the place of fear, love
instead of hatred, compassion over selfishness, beauty instead of
ugliness, and reason rather than blind faith or irrationality.
=E2=80=A2 We believe in the fullest realization of the best and noblest that=
we are capable of as human beings.
Council for Secular Humanism
So again I tell you there is a great need in the atheist community for
a true fellowship or church of sorts to support moral, ethical and
right living and to guide them to practice what they preach...truth
and humanity.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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