Science > Abortion > Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy)
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"Ray Fischer" |
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31 Mar 2004 10:24:57 PM |
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Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
It did not come from thin air - it had to originate with a man
somehow at sometime.
So what? Women participate in being raped. Do they go to prison?
Victims participate in being robbed. Do they go to prison?
Why are you so determined to make innocent people suffer?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
01 Apr 2004 05:18:16 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Non sequitor.
It did not come from thin air - it had to originate with a man
somehow at sometime.
So what? Women participate in being raped. Do they go to prison?
Victims participate in being robbed. Do they go to prison?
Why in the world would you equate parenthood with rape or robbery? Last time I
checked, there were laws on the books in all states against rape or robbery,
making them a crime - there are no laws on the books in any state that equate
parenthood with rape or robbery.
Why are you so determined to make innocent people suffer?
By what measure and criteria do you determine that parents are (a) innocent and
(b) suffering?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
01 Apr 2004 04:11:39 PM |
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"Moon Shyne" <moonshyne__@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Non sequitor.
It did not come from thin air - it had to originate with a man
somehow at sometime.
So what? Women participate in being raped. Do they go to prison?
Victims participate in being robbed. Do they go to prison?
Why in the world would you equate parenthood with rape or robbery? Last
time I
checked, there were laws on the books in all states against rape or
robbery,
making them a crime - there are no laws on the books in any state that
equate
parenthood with rape or robbery.
Non sequitur. Men don't participate in a woman's decision to give birth any
more than a woman participates in a man's decision to rape her.
Why are you so determined to make innocent people suffer?
By what measure and criteria do you determine that parents are (a)
innocent and
(b) suffering?
Straw man.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
01 Apr 2004 10:40:45 PM |
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Moon Shyne <moonshyne__@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Non sequitor.
You are an idiot. It is a direct rebuttal to his assinine claim.
It did not come from thin air - it had to originate with a man
somehow at sometime.
So what? Women participate in being raped. Do they go to prison?
Victims participate in being robbed. Do they go to prison?
Why in the world would you equate parenthood with rape or robbery?
Why in the world would you equate making love with rape?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Moon Shyne" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
02 Apr 2004 04:24:13 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Moon Shyne <moonshyne__@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Non sequitor.
You are an idiot. It is a direct rebuttal to his assinine claim.
It did not come from thin air - it had to originate with a man
somehow at sometime.
So what? Women participate in being raped. Do they go to prison?
Victims participate in being robbed. Do they go to prison?
Why in the world would you equate parenthood with rape or robbery?
Why in the world would you equate making love with rape?
Please show where I made any reference to making love. If you can't, this is
clearly a strawman argument on your part.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
02 Apr 2004 11:02:04 AM |
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Moon Shyne <moonshyne__@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Moon Shyne <moonshyne__@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Non sequitor.
You are an idiot. It is a direct rebuttal to his assinine claim.
It did not come from thin air - it had to originate with a man
somehow at sometime.
So what? Women participate in being raped. Do they go to prison?
Victims participate in being robbed. Do they go to prison?
Why in the world would you equate parenthood with rape or robbery?
Why in the world would you equate making love with rape?
Please show where I made any reference to making love.
Please show where I equating parenthood with rape or robbery.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
01 Apr 2004 07:22:02 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 04:24:57 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4g5io$fpk$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child. Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence. If a man does not exist to provide sperm in
some way at some point in whatever manner and for whatever reason no
child will exist.
Do not try to redefine my terms to give them the meanings you prefer.
I have never said that the male participated in sex or was an
intentional or willing sperm donor. Only that a male as a sperm
source is necessary for human reproduction, a point that seems to be
difficult for you.
It did not come from thin air - it had to originate with a man
somehow at sometime.
So what? Women participate in being raped. Do they go to prison?
Victims participate in being robbed. Do they go to prison?
Why are you so determined to make innocent people suffer?
Why are you so determined to see that parents do not provide for their
children? Is it your liberal attitude of letting the public do
everything?
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
01 Apr 2004 03:40:15 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 04:24:57 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4g5io$fpk$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child. Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence. If a man does not exist to provide sperm in
some way at some point in whatever manner and for whatever reason no
child will exist.
Do not try to redefine my terms to give them the meanings you prefer.
I have never said that the male participated in sex or was an
intentional or willing sperm donor. Only that a male as a sperm
source is necessary for human reproduction,
..........A N D because he IS a participant, therefore he is obligated to pay
money to a woman for her SOLE choice.
a point that seems to be
difficult for you.
It did not come from thin air - it had to originate with a man
somehow at sometime.
So what? Women participate in being raped. Do they go to prison?
Victims participate in being robbed. Do they go to prison?
Why are you so determined to make innocent people suffer?
Why are you so determined to see that parents do not provide for their
children? Is it your liberal attitude of letting the public do
everything?
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
01 Apr 2004 07:09:51 PM |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:40:15 -0800, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <810bc.34686$wl1.9296@fed1read06> wrote:
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child. Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence. If a man does not exist to provide sperm in
some way at some point in whatever manner and for whatever reason no
child will exist.
Do not try to redefine my terms to give them the meanings you prefer.
I have never said that the male participated in sex or was an
intentional or willing sperm donor. Only that a male as a sperm
source is necessary for human reproduction,
.........A N D because he IS a participant, therefore he is obligated to pay
money to a woman for her SOLE choice.
Such payments are called alimony and are separate from child support.
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
01 Apr 2004 10:49:42 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:40:15 -0800, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <810bc.34686$wl1.9296@fed1read06> wrote:
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child. Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence. If a man does not exist to provide sperm in
some way at some point in whatever manner and for whatever reason no
child will exist.
Do not try to redefine my terms to give them the meanings you prefer.
I have never said that the male participated in sex or was an
intentional or willing sperm donor. Only that a male as a sperm
source is necessary for human reproduction,
.........A N D because he IS a participant, therefore he is obligated to
pay
money to a woman for her SOLE choice.
Such payments are called alimony and are separate from child support.
You are half correct. They are actually known as backdoor alimony.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
02 Apr 2004 06:56:27 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:49:42 -0800, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Nj6bc.35503$wl1.7448@fed1read06> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:40:15 -0800, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <810bc.34686$wl1.9296@fed1read06> wrote:
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child. Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence. If a man does not exist to provide sperm in
some way at some point in whatever manner and for whatever reason no
child will exist.
Do not try to redefine my terms to give them the meanings you prefer.
I have never said that the male participated in sex or was an
intentional or willing sperm donor. Only that a male as a sperm
source is necessary for human reproduction,
.........A N D because he IS a participant, therefore he is obligated to
pay
money to a woman for her SOLE choice.
Such payments are called alimony and are separate from child support.
You are half correct. They are actually known as backdoor alimony.
And pigs may or may not be known as backdoor horses somewhere. That
has nothing to do with them being separate entities.
Much like child support and alimony.
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 03:30:55 AM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:49:42 -0800, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Nj6bc.35503$wl1.7448@fed1read06> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:40:15 -0800, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <810bc.34686$wl1.9296@fed1read06> wrote:
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child. Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence. If a man does not exist to provide sperm in
some way at some point in whatever manner and for whatever reason no
child will exist.
Do not try to redefine my terms to give them the meanings you
prefer.
I have never said that the male participated in sex or was an
intentional or willing sperm donor. Only that a male as a sperm
source is necessary for human reproduction,
.........A N D because he IS a participant, therefore he is obligated
to
pay
money to a woman for her SOLE choice.
Such payments are called alimony and are separate from child support.
You are half correct. They are actually known as backdoor alimony.
And pigs may or may not be known as backdoor horses somewhere. That
has nothing to do with them being separate entities.
Much like child support and alimony.
Your analogy escaped me.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 07:14:49 AM |
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"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote in news:qxvbc.37872$wl1.29263@fed1read06:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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Your analogy escaped me.
it is abundantly clear that, whule your remark above was addressed to attila,
it could have been addressed to anyone whose post you responded to since you
appeared on usenet.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 07:34:55 AM |
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On 3 Apr 2004 13:14:49 GMT, "james g. keegan jr."
<keegan@nycap.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<Xns94C0D81469C53keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4> wrote:
"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote in news:qxvbc.37872$wl1.29263@fed1read06:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:bloq60p7ic05iu15is5e5laq129o1o1m7i@4ax.com...
Your analogy escaped me.
it is abundantly clear that, whule your remark above was addressed to attila,
it could have been addressed to anyone whose post you responded to since you
appeared on usenet.
Which is why I ignore such responses.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 07:19:07 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:4bft609282hpa340u2rkefd6l40tu2aq6i@4ax.com:
On 3 Apr 2004 13:14:49 GMT, "james g. keegan jr."
<keegan@nycap.rr.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<Xns94C0D81469C53keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4> wrote:
"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote in news:qxvbc.37872$wl1.29263@fed1read06:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:bloq60p7ic05iu15is5e5laq129o1o1m7i@4ax.com...
Your analogy escaped me.
it is abundantly clear that, whule your remark above was addressed to
attila, it could have been addressed to anyone whose post you responded
to since you appeared on usenet.
Which is why I ignore such responses.
i think that is wise.
when chris appeared on usenet, many people decided he was just an alienated,
confused young man crying out for human companianship; thus his seemingly
insane comments and questions were more a plea for attention than for data of
any type.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
01 Apr 2004 10:43:04 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child.
participate: to take part
Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence.
Ah, then YOU participated in making the child and so YOU should pay
child support.
I have never said that the male participated in sex or was an
intentional or willing sperm donor.
You claim he participated in creating a child.
That claim is a lie, and now you're trying to pile on other lies in
order to excuse it.
It did not come from thin air - it had to originate with a man
somehow at sometime.
So what? Women participate in being raped. Do they go to prison?
Victims participate in being robbed. Do they go to prison?
Why are you so determined to make innocent people suffer?
Why are you so determined to see that parents do not provide for their
children?
You are a lying little *****. A pro-liar control freak.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
02 Apr 2004 07:09:05 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:43:04 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4ir0o$j6k$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child.
participate: to take part
By being a sperm source.
Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence.
Ah, then YOU participated in making the child and so YOU should pay
child support.
I had nothing to do with the child existing. If I had never existed
the child would still exist.
You are really trying to reach on that one.
I have never said that the male participated in sex or was an
intentional or willing sperm donor.
You claim he participated in creating a child.
By being a sperm source.
That claim is a lie, and now you're trying to pile on other lies in
order to excuse it.
Not at all.
It did not come from thin air - it had to originate with a man
somehow at sometime.
So what? Women participate in being raped. Do they go to prison?
Victims participate in being robbed. Do they go to prison?
Why are you so determined to make innocent people suffer?
Why are you so determined to see that parents do not provide for their
children?
You are a lying little *****. A pro-liar control freak.
You love to throw out personal attacks to hide a lack of facts.
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
02 Apr 2004 11:03:27 AM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:43:04 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4ir0o$j6k$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child.
participate: to take part
By being a sperm source.
Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence.
Ah, then YOU participated in making the child and so YOU should pay
child support.
I had nothing to do with the child existing.
You provided money towards the society that allowed the child to be
created.
Pay up.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
02 Apr 2004 06:09:20 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:03:27 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4k6cv$rri$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:43:04 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4ir0o$j6k$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child.
participate: to take part
By being a sperm source.
Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence.
Ah, then YOU participated in making the child and so YOU should pay
child support.
I had nothing to do with the child existing.
You provided money towards the society that allowed the child to be
created.
Pay up.
That is a ludicrous comment, worthy of a pre-schooler.
Every society allows children to be created since that is the only way
the society will survive. Every society has a medium of exchange - in
our society, money.
My goal is to prevent using public money, therefore your 'pay up'
comment is exactly what I oppose.
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02 Apr 2004 09:09:23 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child.
participate: to take part
By being a sperm source.
Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence.
Ah, then YOU participated in making the child and so YOU should pay
child support.
I had nothing to do with the child existing.
You provided money towards the society that allowed the child to be
created.
Pay up.
That is a ludicrous comment, worthy of a pre-schooler.
It's the same as your argument. You "participate". You pay.
Every society allows children to be created since that is the only way
the society will survive.
And since you participate in this society, you are responsible.
Every society has a medium of exchange - in
our society, money.
My goal is to prevent using public money,
By stealing from others.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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03 Apr 2004 07:02:07 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 03:09:23 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4l9t2$7s2$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child.
participate: to take part
By being a sperm source.
Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence.
Ah, then YOU participated in making the child and so YOU should pay
child support.
I had nothing to do with the child existing.
You provided money towards the society that allowed the child to be
created.
Pay up.
That is a ludicrous comment, worthy of a pre-schooler.
It's the same as your argument. You "participate". You pay.
No I did not, but since liberals think everyone participates in
everything I can see how your warped perspective works.
Every society allows children to be created since that is the only way
the society will survive.
And since you participate in this society, you are responsible.
Nope. Every member of society is not responsible for every detail of
society. That is a basic liberal philosophy and I totally reject it.
I am not responsible in any way for the actions of decisions of
others.
Every society has a medium of exchange - in
our society, money.
My goal is to prevent using public money,
By stealing from others.
By requiring others to pay what they owe, as determined by the
properly established procedures for determining such debts.
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| User: "Chris" |
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03 Apr 2004 05:14:35 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:97dt609kn0gvrgpiesbk3pb6aljlrpoqka@4ax.com...
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 03:09:23 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4l9t2$7s2$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in
order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The
man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have
been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child.
participate: to take part
By being a sperm source.
Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence.
Ah, then YOU participated in making the child and so YOU should pay
child support.
I had nothing to do with the child existing.
You provided money towards the society that allowed the child to be
created.
Pay up.
That is a ludicrous comment, worthy of a pre-schooler.
It's the same as your argument. You "participate". You pay.
No I did not, but since liberals think everyone participates in
everything I can see how your warped perspective works.
Every society allows children to be created since that is the only way
the society will survive.
And since you participate in this society, you are responsible.
Nope. Every member of society is not responsible for every detail of
society. That is a basic liberal philosophy and I totally reject it.
I am not responsible in any way for the actions of decisions of
others.
Just as a man is not responsible in any way for the actions or decisions of
a woman.
Every society has a medium of exchange - in
our society, money.
My goal is to prevent using public money,
By stealing from others.
By requiring others to pay what they owe, as determined by the
properly established procedures for determining such debts.
"Child support" is a FALSE debt; thus there is nothing owed. "Properly
established procedures" is a matter of opinion.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 08:31:30 PM |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:14:35 -0800, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <QBHbc.38615$wl1.26988@fed1read06> wrote:
"Child support" is a FALSE debt; thus there is nothing owed.
Not as far as society is concerned, as reflected by law.
"Properly
established procedures" is a matter of opinion.
Not when it is law.
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 11:30:31 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:tpsu60lbq85t7m8sbtd3cbkmh80lu4d15o@4ax.com...
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:14:35 -0800, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <QBHbc.38615$wl1.26988@fed1read06> wrote:
"Child support" is a FALSE debt; thus there is nothing owed.
Not as far as society is concerned,
Sweeping generalization.
as reflected by law.
"Properly
established procedures" is a matter of opinion.
Not when it is law.
It's not law; it's opinion. Keyword: properly.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 11:11:59 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
"Child support" is a FALSE debt; thus there is nothing owed.
Not as far as society is concerned, as reflected by law.
As far as society is concerned people are not liable for paying other
people's bills. But you liberals like to reallocate other people's
money as you decide is best.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
04 Apr 2004 03:47:14 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 05:11:59 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4o5eu$r0f$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
"Child support" is a FALSE debt; thus there is nothing owed.
Not as far as society is concerned, as reflected by law.
As far as society is concerned people are not liable for paying other
people's bills. But you liberals like to reallocate other people's
money as you decide is best.
Normally that is true, but since society takes an interest in the
welfare of children and if this debt is not paid it is presumed to be
children that bear the loss this is considered an exception to the
norm.
But you knew that - you simply want to argue and call me a liberal.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
04 Apr 2004 02:55:57 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
"Chris" <reddd@juno.com> in
"Child support" is a FALSE debt; thus there is nothing owed.
Not as far as society is concerned, as reflected by law.
As far as society is concerned people are not liable for paying other
people's bills. But you liberals like to reallocate other people's
money as you decide is best.
Normally that is true, but since society takes an interest in the
welfare of children and if this debt is not paid it is presumed to be
children that bear the loss this is considered an exception to the
norm.
LOL! YOUR reallocation is justified. But when others try to
reallocate your money you whine.
What a hypocrite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 03:19:02 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
This requires participation of a male and a female.
Liar.
Reference please.
Sure. A woman does not need the participation of any man in order to
create a child. She needs some viable sperm. Nothing more. The man
that created the sperm need not be involved and may even have been
dead for years.
Yet a man must have participated to some degree for that sperm to
exist.
A man does not need to participate in sex or in creating a child in
order to make sperm.
Participation does not necessarily mean sex or a direct attempt to
create a child.
participate: to take part
By being a sperm source.
Participation in this case in it's simplest terms
simply means existence.
Ah, then YOU participated in making the child and so YOU should pay
child support.
I had nothing to do with the child existing.
You provided money towards the society that allowed the child to be
created.
Pay up.
That is a ludicrous comment, worthy of a pre-schooler.
It's the same as your argument. You "participate". You pay.
No I did not,
Of course you do. You are responsible. You pay.
but since liberals
You keep whining about "liberals" even as you try to argue that
money should be taken from some people and given to others.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 03:54:22 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 21:19:02 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4n9o5$l2p$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
You keep whining about "liberals" even as you try to argue that
money should be taken from some people and given to others.
It's called 'Paying a debt'. Apparently the concept is foreign to
you.
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 05:00:01 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:chcu60t88j05torgk3pk7j044i9ftp1k7a@4ax.com...
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 21:19:02 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <c4n9o5$l2p$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
You keep whining about "liberals" even as you try to argue that
money should be taken from some people and given to others.
It's called 'Paying a debt'.
A FALSE debt.
Apparently the concept is foreign to
you.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Eleventh Circuit Court: Forced abortion on woman (Pro-Liar idiocy) |
03 Apr 2004 04:09:49 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
You keep whining about "liberals" even as you try to argue that
money should be taken from some people and given to others.
It's called 'Paying a debt'.
No, it is not. It is called "redistribution".
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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