reptile944@aol.com (Reptile944) wrote in message
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papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) writes:
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Papa Jack comments:
Reptile, both houses of Congress have passed
the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban THREE DIFFERENT
TIMES. King Clinton vetoed the first two, but
President Bush recently signed the third.
I'm sorry, but you can jump up and down, hold
your breath, and turn blue -- but, the law is
still titled the Partial-Birth Abortion (PBA)
Ban. So, that's the term folks will continue
to use.
The important point is that this procedure,
whatever you call it, is barbaric and cruel.
The AMA stated it was "poor medicine" and
never needed to save the life of the mother.
The American College of Pediatricians publically
supported the PBA ban. Go to:
http://www.lifenews.com/nat47.html
The American Medical News quoted Ron Fitzsimmons,
the executive director of the National Coalition
of Abortion Providers (NCAP), a major "trade asso-
ciation"of abortion providers.
"When you're a doctor who does these
abortions and the leaders of your
movement appear before Congress and
go on network news and say these
procedures are done in only the most
tragic of circumstances, how do you
think it makes you feel? You know
they're primarily done on healthy
women and healthy fetuses, and it
makes you feel like a dirty little
abortionist with a dirty little
secret," Fitzsimmons said.
"The pro-choice movement has lost a
lot of credibility during this debate,
not just with the general public, but
with our pro-choice friends in Congress.
Even the White House is now questioning
the accuracy of some of the information
given to it on this issue. . . .I think
we should tell them the truth, let them
vote and move on."
- Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director,
National Coalition of Abortion Providers
The American Medical News report said Fitzsimmons agrees
the vast majority of partial-birth abortion are performed
in the 20-plus-week range [late second trimester] on
healthy fetuses and healthy mothers. Fitzsimmons comments,
"The abortion rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks
know it, and so, probably, does everyone else."
Happy holidays.
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Reptile944 wrote:
Believe as you will. You have been sold a bill
of goods, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
So did the politicians that listened to the people
such as Fitzsimmons, (since it should be very
obvious to everyone that he is decidedly "anti-
abortion.") In other words, he is one "expert"
testifying exactly as the anti-abortion proponents
require.
He's just like any turncoat. They go where the money
is, or the praise is the greatest....
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Papa Jack remarked:
Do you have any evidence that Fitzsimmons was paid
to say these things about PBA? Remember, he was
the executive director of the National Coalition
of Abortion Providers (NCAP), a major "trade asso-
ciation"of abortion providers. Executive directors
of such orginizations get paid very good money.
Plus, they have nice perks -- like big cars and
expense accounts. Why would he give all that up?
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Reptile944 wrote:
...I'm reminded of Norma McCorvey, who was such
a sad and lonely woman, she would have testified
to the moon being made of green cheese if she
thought she could get some kind of support and
validation....
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Papa Jack remarked:
Do you have any evidence of this, Reptile? Or
is this just more wild speculation you've read
written by other Pro-Aborts to "Bork" her?
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Reptile944 wrote:
...If Fitzsimmons was so repulsed with D&E, or
D&IE, then what the hell was he doing it for?
He had the option, just like any OBGYN who
objects, to refuse and to find a hospital which
would not do the proceedures.
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Papa Jack replied:
He never said he was repulsed by the procedure.
He said the leaders of his movement appeared
before Congress and went on network news and
told lies about when and why the procedures
are done. He said that made him "...feel
like a dirty little abortionist with a dirty
little secret."
Following is the text of a May 19, 1997 letter
from the American Medical Association (AMA), to
Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), expressing support
for the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (HR 1122).
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American Medical Association
May 19, 1997
The Honorable Rick Santorum
United States Senate
120 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Dear Senator Santorum:
The American Medical Association (AMA) is writing to support
HR 1122, "The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997," as
amended. Although our general policy is to oppose legislation
criminalizing medical practice or procedure, the AMA has sup-
ported such legislation where the procedure was narrowly defined
and not medically indicated. HR 1122 now meets both those tests.
Our support of this legislation is based on three specific
principles. First, the bill would allow a legitimate exception
where the life of the mother was endangered, thereby preserving
the physician's judgment to take any medically necessary steps
to save the life of the mother. Second, the bill would clearly
define the prohibited procedure so that it is clear on the face
of the legislation what act is to be banned. Finally, the bill
would give any accused physician the right to have his or her
conduct reviewed by the State Medical Board before a criminal
trial commenced. In this manner, the bill would provide a formal
role for valuable medical peer determination in any enforcement
proceeding.
The AMA believes that with these changes, physicians will be on
notice as to the exact nature of the prohibited conduct.
Thank you for the opportunity to work with you towards
restricting a procedure we all agree is not good medicine.
Sincerely,
P. John Seward, MD
Executive Vice President
American Medical Association
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Why do you believe Dr. Seward wrote this letter to Senator
Santorum? It certainly wasn't just to get attention.
Happy holidays.
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