Sadburger wrote:
"spartakus@my-deja.com" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
Sadburger wrote:
"spartakus@my-deja.com" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
Sadburger wrote:
Along with the "I had an abortion" t-shirts, I'm starting
to think of PP as ontological anarchists
It's a challenge trying to express yourself using terms you
don't
understand, isn't it?
In point of fact, the term "ontological anarchy" is a coinage of
Hakin Bey:
http://deoxy.org/hakim/ontologicalanarchy.htm
There's also an "Association of Ontological Anarchy".
http://www.hermetic.com/bey/taz2a.html
Interesting. And what's really neat here is that you've managed to
use
"ontological anarchy" recursively. If that is what you intended,
my
compliments!
What's good for the gander is good for the goose. Tell me, what do
you
think about novelty chocolate birth control pills for mother's day?
Planned Parenthood beach balls? How about NOW's "Keep Abortion Legal"
mother's day bracelet? Don't any of these things seem a little *off*
somehow?
Not any more than this:
http://www.catholicshopper.com/products/inspirational_sport_statues.html
Or this:
http://www.homestead.com/godslittleones/
Not that I assume any familiarity with these things, but I was
*hoping* the reader would make an educated guess as to what I was
trying to say. I guess I'm also guilty of naively underestimated
pro-choicers' compulsion for knee-jerk condescending reactions.
Cue indignant harrumphing - I put a lot of thought into that
condescending reaction. Nothing knee-jerk about it at all. :-(
If you put that much thought into it, why didn't you look the term
up
youself to make sure you weren't talking out your *****?
Projection, thy name is Sadburger... for the time being.
who are incrementally trying to bring
the patriarchy to a state of chaos
There's a *patriarchy*?
I'm trying to frame the issue in terms they might use. (imagine
that!)
That's assuming the patriarchy is paying attention. Well, you are.
I'm talking about *feminists*, fuzznuts! I'm framing the issue in
terms
*feminists* might use. Geez, alot of people have difficulty with the
way
I write, but I've never had a person so badly misinterpret every
little
thing I say.
Geez, if a lot of people have difficulty with what you write, wouldn't
it be reasonable to say that your writing, not people's reading, is the
problem?
And in saying "imagine that!", I'm contrasting it with the way
pro-choicers are incapable of framing the issue in any but their
terms, rendering meaningful discussion impossible.
Pro-choicer: "Why do you want to control women's bodies so badly?"
Pro-lifer: "Ummm... we don't."
Pro-choicer: "THAT'S A LIE!"
Pro-lifer: "Ummm... how is that a lie?"
Pro-choicer: "Gee, I don't know, maybe because you call
yourselves'pro-LIARS'."
Pro-lifer: "Well, naturally, we're lying when we called ourselves
that."
Pro-choicer: "Buh?"
What you need is two PCs with instant messaging installed so you can
argue with yourself.
Feminists say alot of crazy *****.
The patriarchal model is *still* the default paradigm, you know.
Well, I guess that's why we have nonhegemonic hermeneutics. Keep up
the good work, girls, the combined efforts of every women's studies
department in every American University has finally produced a
feminist
theory effectual enough to even out that nonexistant wage
differential!
You're such a condescending *****.
It took some doing to get women the right to vote and to hold
property,
and there's still a lot of work to achieve a more egalitarian
model.
Pretty much all the suffragists believed abortion should be illegal
during a time in American history when abortion was entirely legal.
Non sequitur. Your reading of history leaves much to be desired. At
the time that the women's suffrage movement was in full flower,
abortion was *illegal*.
No they weren't the "pro-family" conservatives we see today, but they
*were* pro-life. And thanks to their efforts, we now have feminists
who can stand up and say "If we don't have a right to abortion, we
have NOTHING."
They were against abortion because at the time, abortion was as risky
as childbirth, and because husbands and fathers were forcing their
wimmen with unwanted pregnancies to abort.
In a sense, the early feminists wanted the same thing that modern
feminists want - control of their reproductive capacities.
Basically, to everyone who fought and gave their lives for our
freedom and
welfare, we sit here in this most affluent society in this most
affluent
time- built entirely on your backs- and tell you... your
accomplishments
are worth nothing because they didn't give us our right to abortion.
Gee,
I guess we have some white dude in a lab coat to thank for that!
Seriously, what do you care about those who "fought and gave their
lives for our freedom and welfare"?
"The real liberation of women had little to do with feminist
politics
but was, ironically, engineered by men who came up with antiseptic
medical procedures, later invented 'the pill' and, meanwhile,
produced
an endless array of household machines."
- Balint Vazsonyi
talk.abortion has a lot of history regarding the opinions of
Hungarian-American crackpots. Especially those whose names should
never be associated with n**********.
That doesn't stop pro-choicers around here from parroting lines
like
"Feminism is the radical belief the women are human beings", like
they don't pick and choose what crazy feminist ***** they choose
to
believe just as much as pro-lifers.
Given the attitudes towards women displayed by anti-choicers, that
line
is still very much necessary.
"If I caused my mother any suffering, she should thank me."
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I've said it before, I'll say it again: For a guy named Spartakus,
you
sure are a *****.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Pray don't bore us with your
chest-thumping and verbal *****-waving.
.
