Science > Abortion > Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof
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Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:39:55 GMT,
Ignorant Bigot, "Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
Brent Norman <nelliganemile@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ignorant Bigot, "Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ignorant Bigot, "Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind.
Wrong. They serve precisely the SAME purpose in the "scheme
of mankind" that everyone else does.
Why?
Because TRIVIALITIES -- such as a person's race, ethnicity,
sexual orientation, handedness, hair color, etc., etc. -- have
absolutely NOTHING to do with a person's talents, work ethic,
ambition, and capabilities.
Only social retards as dumb as YOU and you fellow mindless
bigots are, wouldn't be able to figure that out.
Segregationists and homophobes: 2 identically-sociopathic
groups of losers, separated only by 4 decades of time. SAME
abject stupidity.
How characteristic of the under-educated homosexual that
appears to be the norm in APH today; unable to offer a logical
argument he resorts to name calling.
Of course, you stripped the most important point from that post ...
( ...which I've restored, above, in its original context... )
... in order to only answer the part you have a hope in hell of
answering. Here it is for your convenience, the portion that came
before:
" Wrong. They serve precisely the SAME purpose in the "scheme
of mankind" that everyone else does.
WRONG! Homosexuals serve NO USEFUL PURPOSE in the
scheme of mankind.
That is as patently a STUPID thing to say as it would be if you
were to have said the same thing about all left-handed people. Or
people who happen to be brunettes. (You really LOVE to make a
complete ***** of yourself, don't you?)
Where homosexuality to disappear from the earth in the next instant
mankind would not be effected in any way. You are superfluous, an
excess, a perversion an unneeded mistake.
Wrong again. Homosexuality is simply a variation of NORMALCY.
Just as handedness and hair color is. However, bigots like you have
to LEARN to be hateful sociopaths and bottom-feeders of society.
Making you and your ilk a TRUE perversion. And since you contri-
bute nothing but negativity to society, if all bigotry were to end
overnight, the bigots would become exponentially-BETTER people,
and society as a whole would be enormously ENHANCED.
As I pointed out before, homosexuals:
...serve precisely the SAME purpose in the "scheme of
mankind" that everyone else does.
Why?
Because TRIVIALITIES -- such as a person's race, ethnicity,
sexual orientation, handedness, hair color, etc., etc. -- have
absolutely NOTHING do do with a person's talents, work ethic,
ambition, and capabilities."
You include a behavioral characteristic, sexual orientation, in with
immutable ones and try to claim that they are all the same. Another
homosexual LIE.
Wrong, loser. Since I'm not gay, I can't be telling a "homosex-
ual lie." But that's fine, because i have YET to ever SEE a "homo-
sexual lie." Unless it is the sort of lies that morons like *you* so
desperately tell ABOUT homosexuals. (And make total schmucks
of yourselfves in the process.)
Do you regard your OWN sexual orientation to be immutable?
Could YOU, realistically speaking, change to become homosex-
ual? If you're honest, you'll admit that your sexual orientation IS
pragmatically immutable. And guess what? The SAME is true for
the homosexuals. So do yourself a great big favor and grow up!
Stop being a complete JERK over TRIVIALITIES that are abso-
lutely **none** of your business. Do something CONSTRUCTIVE
with your time. Being a moronic and hateful assh*le benefits NO
one. Least of all yourself, butcause all that gets you is being
laughed-at by all SENSIBLE people.
Do you have no honor at all?
ALL egalitarians are honorable people. That goes right along
with BEING a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian who RESPECTS
the personal liberties of others, and DEFENDS them against mindless
and hateful attacks by loathsome bigots.
Is the "right" to engage in homosexuality promiscuity so
important to you that you must exhibit dishonorable
behavior in your frantic defense of the indefensible?
(1) Being DEDICATED to defending the personal of liberties
is not a "frantic" action. It is a carefully-deliberated
and well-organized action.
(2) In case you hadn't noticed, the RIGHT of all of-age
consenting adults in America, regardless of their sexual
orientation, to share sex in private, any way that they
choose, became officially the LAW OF THE LAND just
over a year ago, in America. You moronic busybodies
LOST your nonsensical battle to be total schmucks in
that regard, BIG-time!
(3) The only thing that's "dishonorable" in this post is YOUR
clear-cut proof of your own socially-retardedness and
ignorant bigotry. You are totally without excuse.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
13 Jul 2004 01:53:00 PM |
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"Brent Norman" <nelliganemile@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:43:13 GMT, "Brent Norman"
<nelliganemile@hotmail.com> wrote:
You folks like to take the worst minority of the minority, and
try to apply their characteristics to the majority of the population.
Don't you just have a whole passel of minorities amongst you
homo-fellows! You have the minority that is promiscuous. You have the
minority that is responsible for almost fifty percent of all new AIDS
cases in the US every year for the last 20+ years, You have the
minority who that preys on boys and young men, i.e., the Catholic
priest. It does seem that at some point all those minorities are going
to take in a majority of the minority that is homosexuality in the US.
If you want to point fingers instead of address the real issues, fine. I
won't. You're like a pissed-off customer yelling his head off at the
clerk.
He's just mad because they kicked him out of the bath house for biting
penis's. :)
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| User: "Mary" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
13 Jul 2004 01:51:32 PM |
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"Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:43:13 GMT, "Brent Norman"
<nelliganemile@hotmail.com> wrote:
You folks like to take the worst minority of the minority, and
try to apply their characteristics to the majority of the population.
Lie, deny and make ever attempt to suppress the truth about
homosexuality - Homosexual Dogma
Seems like Jonathan is mad because no one will let him suck their *****
anymore! :)
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| User: "Jim Ledford" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - furtherproof |
13 Jul 2004 02:03:45 PM |
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Mary wrote:
[....]
mary is there anything currently happening on this planet that
YOU find completely disgusting, OFFENSIVE, foul, loathsome, nasty,
repugnant and repulsive enough that you would do all in your power
to keep [it] away from you and you away from [it]?
just asking.
Jim
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| User: "Mary" |
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13 Jul 2004 06:18:52 PM |
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"Jim Ledford" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Mary wrote:
[....]
mary is there anything currently happening on this planet that
YOU find completely disgusting, OFFENSIVE, foul, loathsome, nasty,
repugnant and repulsive enough that you would do all in your power
to keep [it] away from you and you away from [it]?
just asking.
Bible based religion!.
Jim
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| User: "Jim Ledford" |
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13 Jul 2004 10:42:33 PM |
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Mary wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mary wrote:
[....]
mary is there anything currently happening on this planet that
YOU find completely disgusting, OFFENSIVE, foul, loathsome, nasty,
repugnant and repulsive enough that you would do all in your power
to keep [it] away from you and you away from [it]?
just asking.
Bible based religion!.
use that understanding of yours to feel and
experience what others may see and find OFFENSIVE.
peace be with you Mary,
Jim
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| User: "Mary" |
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13 Jul 2004 11:22:37 PM |
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"Jim Ledford" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Mary wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mary wrote:
[....]
mary is there anything currently happening on this planet that
YOU find completely disgusting, OFFENSIVE, foul, loathsome, nasty,
repugnant and repulsive enough that you would do all in your power
to keep [it] away from you and you away from [it]?
just asking.
Bible based religion!.
use that understanding of yours to feel and
experience what others may see and find OFFENSIVE.
You didn't take it far enough, Jim. What one person finds offensive often
leads to oppression, bigotry, hate and murder of a specific group of people,
when this "being offended" leads to action.
Many white people found "negros" offensive, Protestants found Catholics
offensive, Christians found Muslims offensive, Nazi's found Jews offensive,
etc.
Try and use that understanding of yours to feel and experience the hate that
you and others project onto people that you find offensive.
Peace on you to,
Mary
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| User: "Jim Ledford" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - furtherproof |
14 Jul 2004 12:27:04 AM |
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Mary wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mary wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mary wrote:
[....]
mary is there anything currently happening on this planet that
YOU find completely disgusting, OFFENSIVE, foul, loathsome, nasty,
repugnant and repulsive enough that you would do all in your power
to keep [it] away from you and you away from [it]?
just asking.
Bible based religion!.
use that understanding of yours to feel and
experience what others may see and find OFFENSIVE.
You didn't take it far enough, Jim.
yes I did. you got the picture.
What one person finds offensive often
leads to oppression, bigotry, hate and murder of a specific group of people,
when this "being offended" leads to action.
something I find OFFENSIVE is action rooted in hate.
nasty that is to me and I want to do all in my power
to keep [it] away from me and me away from [it].
Many white people found "negros" offensive, Protestants found Catholics
offensive, Christians found Muslims offensive, Nazi's found Jews offensive,
etc.
love, if they knew it, would go
a long way towards learning tolerance.
Try and use that understanding of yours to feel and experience the hate that
you and others project onto people that you find offensive.
I have and that's why I asked you to
look. you seem to have given it a good look. ugly, isn't it?
Peace,
Jim
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| User: "Mary" |
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14 Jul 2004 03:30:09 PM |
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"Jim Ledford" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Mary wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mary wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mary wrote:
I have and that's why I asked you to
look. you seem to have given it a good look. ugly, isn't it?
Peace,
Jim
No one ever promised you a rose garden, did they?
Peace,
Mary
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
14 Jul 2004 06:09:52 AM |
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:22:37 GMT, "Mary" <Mary@aol.com>
screamed out:
"Jim Ledford" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:40F4ABA9.40A1E783@bellsouth.net...
Mary wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mary wrote:
[....]
mary is there anything currently happening on this planet that
YOU find completely disgusting, OFFENSIVE, foul, loathsome, nasty,
repugnant and repulsive enough that you would do all in your power
to keep [it] away from you and you away from [it]?
just asking.
Bible based religion!.
use that understanding of yours to feel and
experience what others may see and find OFFENSIVE.
You didn't take it far enough, Jim. What one person finds offensive often
leads to oppression, bigotry, hate and murder of a specific group of people,
when this "being offended" leads to action.
Many white people found "negros" offensive, Protestants found Catholics
offensive, Christians found Muslims offensive, Nazi's found Jews offensive,
etc.
Try and use that understanding of yours to feel and experience the hate that
you and others project onto people that you find offensive.
I notice that you left out those who hate Christians.
Could it be because you are among those who hate them?
http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/CWN/dailynews.asp
How's that mirror?
It must be fine, since we know that there's no such
thing as Christians who show love.
http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/CWN/070904uganda.asp
Notice, in order to save these children, Christians had
to believe these things to be and call them sin. And
note, the group they rescued them from, is called the
"Lord's Resistance Army". You know, the type of people
you would point at and say represents a Christian
attitude. It seems you are very confused and hateful.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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faith and doctrine are concerned and endangered,
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but exercises it. However, defective doctrine
and false faith ruin everything. Therefore, when
these are concerned, neither toleration nor mercy
are in order, but only anger, dispute and
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13 Jul 2004 08:56:45 PM |
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:18:52 GMT, "Mary" <Mary@aol.com>
screamed out:
"Jim Ledford" <jimled@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Mary wrote:
[....]
mary is there anything currently happening on this planet that
YOU find completely disgusting, OFFENSIVE, foul, loathsome, nasty,
repugnant and repulsive enough that you would do all in your power
to keep [it] away from you and you away from [it]?
just asking.
Bible based religion!.
Of course. It means that you are a sinner and you
don't want to think that. You hate a mirror that shows
you as you really are.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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16 Jul 2004 03:52:59 AM |
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Jim Ledford wrote:
Mary wrote:
[....]
mary is there anything currently happening on this planet that
YOU find completely disgusting, OFFENSIVE, foul, loathsome, nasty,
repugnant and repulsive enough that you would do all in your power
to keep [it] away from you and you away from [it]?
just asking.
Boy, what an opportunity.
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Fritz
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Religion = tyranny.
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
12 Jul 2004 09:58:57 AM |
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[piggyback cos Jonathon is in my killfile]
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:46:50 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality Bob's
Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> wrote:
| In article <ef9a5e666f38c3afbaa3ab95d6ef1e0d@news.teranews.com>,
| Johnathan A. <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
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| > On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:49:39 GMT, Jeff North
| > <jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote:
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| > >On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:26:36 -0500, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| > >"Flower Power" <WomansChoice@thisNG.com> wrote:
| > >>| "Jeff North" <jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
| > >>| news:4281f0ldjm1qci8l0mtiro27o1890egla9@4ax.com...
| > >>| > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:13:37 -0500, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| > >>| > "Flower Power" <WomansChoice@thisNG.com> wrote:
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| > >[snip]
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| > >>| > >| $ I'm not a homosexual. I'm saying *ANY* pedophile belongs behind
| > >>| > >| bars
| > >>| > >| whether he's gay or straight. What makes you think all the
| > >>| > >| pedophile
| > >>| > >| priests were homosexuals? Many little girls were also molested,...
| > >>| > >| by
| > >>| > >| straight-pedophile priests.
| > >>| > >| What are YOU saying? That we should round up and murder all
| > >>| > >| homosexuals because a few of them are pedophiles?
| > >>| > >| Are you saying that pedophilia is OK as long as the pervert is
| > >>| > >| *straight* and only attacking little girls? Is THAT what you're
| > >>| > >| saying?
| > >>| >
| > >>| > But...but...but....penis/vagina sex is "normal".
| > >>| ===========
| > >>| Evidently Jonathan believes as long as the pedophile is STRAIGHT and
| > >>| rapes/sodomizes little girls it's ok. I wonder why....???
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| > >Why do you think that Jonathan and his ilk focus on male/boy
| > >paeodphile activities and trivialise male/girl paedophile activities?
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| > Because his post are going to a homosexual newsgroup and involve
| > homosexuals who sexually abuse young males?
Jonathon, you shouldn't lie like that. The groups that this is being
posted to:
alt.politics.homosexuality,
alt.politics.usa.republican,
alt.religion.christian,
alt.abortion,
alt.bible
Now if this was only being posted to alt.religion.christian.....
| That is a serious accusation. Fill us in. Who is abusing whom?
Jonathon is abusing himself.
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| User: "Johnathan A." |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
12 Jul 2004 01:12:39 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:58:57 GMT, Jeff North
<jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote:
[piggyback cos Jonathon is in my killfile]
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:46:50 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality Bob's
Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> wrote:
| In article <ef9a5e666f38c3afbaa3ab95d6ef1e0d@news.teranews.com>,
| Johnathan A. <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
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| > On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:49:39 GMT, Jeff North
| > <jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote:
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| > >On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:26:36 -0500, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| > >"Flower Power" <WomansChoice@thisNG.com> wrote:
| > >>| "Jeff North" <jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
| > >>| news:4281f0ldjm1qci8l0mtiro27o1890egla9@4ax.com...
| > >>| > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:13:37 -0500, in alt.politics.homosexuality
| > >>| > "Flower Power" <WomansChoice@thisNG.com> wrote:
| > >
| > >[snip]
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| > >>| > >| $ I'm not a homosexual. I'm saying *ANY* pedophile belongs behind
| > >>| > >| bars
| > >>| > >| whether he's gay or straight. What makes you think all the
| > >>| > >| pedophile
| > >>| > >| priests were homosexuals? Many little girls were also molested,...
| > >>| > >| by
| > >>| > >| straight-pedophile priests.
| > >>| > >| What are YOU saying? That we should round up and murder all
| > >>| > >| homosexuals because a few of them are pedophiles?
| > >>| > >| Are you saying that pedophilia is OK as long as the pervert is
| > >>| > >| *straight* and only attacking little girls? Is THAT what you're
| > >>| > >| saying?
| > >>| >
| > >>| > But...but...but....penis/vagina sex is "normal".
| > >>| ===========
| > >>| Evidently Jonathan believes as long as the pedophile is STRAIGHT and
| > >>| rapes/sodomizes little girls it's ok. I wonder why....???
| > >
| > >Why do you think that Jonathan and his ilk focus on male/boy
| > >paeodphile activities and trivialise male/girl paedophile activities?
| >
| >
| > Because his post are going to a homosexual newsgroup and involve
| > homosexuals who sexually abuse young males?
Jonathon, you shouldn't lie like that. The groups that this is being
posted to:
alt.politics.homosexuality,
alt.politics.usa.republican,
alt.religion.christian,
alt.abortion,
alt.bible
Now if this was only being posted to alt.religion.christian.....
| That is a serious accusation. Fill us in. Who is abusing whom?
Jonathon is abusing himself.
No, you are doing what homosexuals do so well, Lying. My post goes to
the intended newsgroup, if it gets promulgated by others so be it.
--
Words that homos with AIDS hate to hear: "Look Alive! Here come the
buzzards." -Pogo
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| User: "Jude & Sandra" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
10 Jul 2004 10:44:41 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
Dave, you and I have been at it MANY times. YOU are NOT willing to face an
uncomfortable truth. You love being where you are in ignorance. I KNOW you
are unwilling to look at ANY debate with open mind. You are completely
closed minded.... duh... THAT is why I don't get into it with you and you
KNOW that is why because I've stated it at least 3 times now.
IF you fill you have won some debate between us, feel free, but don't say it
isn't because I don't believe I CAN debate. It's ALL a USELESS EXERCISE IN
FUTILITY...
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
11 Jul 2004 07:35:35 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:44:41 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:g4bre0dahsoq6894joh4pdv23u6ajsc3fs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
Dave, you and I have been at it MANY times. YOU are NOT willing to face an
uncomfortable truth.
The truth that YOU are not willing to face, is that it
is evil.
You love being where you are in ignorance. I KNOW you
are unwilling to look at ANY debate with open mind. You are completely
closed minded.... duh... THAT is why I don't get into it with you and you
KNOW that is why because I've stated it at least 3 times now.
To you, an open mind means Godly people changing their
beliefs to what you personally believe and your beliefs
staying the same. That makes you a hypocrite, since
you are not willing to change your mind and yet,
complain that the other person doesn't have an open
mind, while yours is closed.
You also exude arrogance, in that you feel yourself to
be enlightened, while anyone who doesn't believe as you
do, is drowning in ignorance. And this, after accusing
others of the same.
IF you fill you have won some debate between us, feel free, but don't say it
isn't because I don't believe I CAN debate. It's ALL a USELESS EXERCISE IN
FUTILITY...
So then, you're saying that when you and I enter a
debate, that you entertain the possibility of changing
your mind and believing as I do about the homosexual
issue? If not, then see above.
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thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:44:41 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
Dave, you and I have been at it MANY times. YOU are NOT willing to face
an
uncomfortable truth.
The truth that YOU are not willing to face, is that it
is evil.
Incorrect. You have NO idea what I've been through. Like I've said before
AT LEAST 2 times to you is that I was COMPLETELY willing to continue to
believe and DID believe it was a sin until I started investigating why it
was called a sin and why people hated them so much.
You love being where you are in ignorance. I KNOW you
are unwilling to look at ANY debate with open mind. You are completely
closed minded.... duh... THAT is why I don't get into it with you and you
KNOW that is why because I've stated it at least 3 times now.
To you, an open mind means Godly people changing their
beliefs to what you personally believe and your beliefs
staying the same. That makes you a hypocrite, since
you are not willing to change your mind and yet,
complain that the other person doesn't have an open
mind, while yours is closed.
I KNOW how willing I have been to accept even an uncomfortable hard truth.
You have shown that you are completely unwilling to accept EVEN scientific
truth because you and your "cronies" always can come up with ridiculous
replies such as was in the cases of male-to-female transsexual brains. YOU
continue to think they're making a choice and LIE that their brains were
caused by taking female hormones. WHAT A JOKE!!! When you came up with
that one, I KNEW that you were a closed minded religious bigot. who is
willing to believe ANYTHING as to not admit the bible is WRONG, has
inconsistencies and inaccuracies.
You also exude arrogance, in that you feel yourself to
be enlightened, while anyone who doesn't believe as you
do, is drowning in ignorance. And this, after accusing
others of the same.
I DON'T look at truth and slip slide. THAT'S all I can say. THAT'S not
arrogance, that's willingness to follow where truth leads, NO MATTER how
painful it is to change.
IF you fill you have won some debate between us, feel free, but don't say
it
isn't because I don't believe I CAN debate. It's ALL a USELESS EXERCISE
IN
FUTILITY...
So then, you're saying that when you and I enter a
debate, that you entertain the possibility of changing
your mind and believing as I do about the homosexual
issue? If not, then see above.
I've already said at one time, BEFORE looking openely into the matter, I DID
believe it was a sin. It is NOT a choice. True homosexuals (not those who
temporarily engage in homosexual sex acts or those who are so hedistic that
they'll do anything with any person place or thing) realize at a very young
age that they are different even BEFORE they reach to adolescence. PLUS, in
a not so long past, it was a sentence to a dual life of lies and deceptions
a homosexual had to engage in to be true to themselves. There HAS to be
more than just being nasty going on with individuals who despite the
horrific ways in which they were made to feel about themselves, forced to
live lies to pretend to be what they are not, etc. were willing to continue
to be true to themselves.
Also, common sense, if homosexuality was a CHOICE, then WHEN or WHEN was the
last time YOU were tempted to commit it???
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to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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11 Jul 2004 11:54:45 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:12:46 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
The truth that YOU are not willing to face, is that it
is evil.
Incorrect. You have NO idea what I've been through. Like I've said before
AT LEAST 2 times to you is that I was COMPLETELY willing to continue to
believe and DID believe it was a sin until I started investigating why it
was called a sin and why people hated them so much.
You assume that saying something people do is sinful,
equates to them hating people. So by that logic, you
hate people and are guilty of the very same thing you
accuse others of. That makes you a hypocrite.
You love being where you are in ignorance. I KNOW you
are unwilling to look at ANY debate with open mind. You are completely
closed minded.... duh... THAT is why I don't get into it with you and you
KNOW that is why because I've stated it at least 3 times now.
To you, an open mind means Godly people changing their
beliefs to what you personally believe and your beliefs
staying the same. That makes you a hypocrite, since
you are not willing to change your mind and yet,
complain that the other person doesn't have an open
mind, while yours is closed.
I KNOW how willing I have been to accept even an uncomfortable hard truth.
Comfort has nothing to do with it. Has it ever
occurred to you, that people have been uncomfortable
with accepting that it is sin and yet, have done so?
You have shown that you are completely unwilling to accept EVEN scientific
truth
I've deleted your insults, to get to the point here and
get some things straight.
1) You have presented ZERO scientific evidence.
2) Even if homosexuality was genetic, that does not
make it a good thing. Pedophiles can argue the same
thing, if you wish to go down that road.
You also exude arrogance, in that you feel yourself to
be enlightened, while anyone who doesn't believe as you
do, is drowning in ignorance. And this, after accusing
others of the same.
I DON'T look at truth and slip slide.
Yes, you do, all the time.
So then, you're saying that when you and I enter a
debate, that you entertain the possibility of changing
your mind and believing as I do about the homosexual
issue? If not, then see above.
I've already said at one time, BEFORE looking openely into the matter, I DID
believe it was a sin. It is NOT a choice. True homosexuals (not those who
temporarily engage in homosexual sex acts or those who are so hedistic that
they'll do anything with any person place or thing) realize at a very young
age that they are different even BEFORE they reach to adolescence. PLUS, in
a not so long past, it was a sentence to a dual life of lies and deceptions
a homosexual had to engage in to be true to themselves. There HAS to be
more than just being nasty going on with individuals who despite the
horrific ways in which they were made to feel about themselves, forced to
live lies to pretend to be what they are not, etc. were willing to continue
to be true to themselves.
Also, common sense, if homosexuality was a CHOICE, then WHEN or WHEN was the
last time YOU were tempted to commit it???
You claim that you used to believe it was a sin. What
does this mean? What changed your mind and are you
open to having it changed back again?
If you wish to debate this issue, then I'm more than
willing to. But we're going to do it properly and not
with your emotional lying attacks on those who state it
is sin.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Jude & Sandra" |
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11 Jul 2004 08:37:23 PM |
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Everything you said is a complete lie. We've debated before many times.
When told of scientific proof such as I did regarding transsexuals, you just
"poof" it away with bull. Female hormones WILL NOT change the hypothalamus
in transsexual's brains.
As far as homosexuality, the jury's still out. I hope that within my
lifetime and yours that the truth be out whatever it be.
You no more love the truth NO MATTER where it leads because I have shown you
many inconsistencies in the bible and you come up with nonsense. Remember
the 14 generation nonsense, Dave?
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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12 Jul 2004 10:02:00 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:37:23 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
First of all, I notice that you snipped everything I
said. That in of itself is telling.
Everything you said is a complete lie.
Prove it.
We've debated before many times.
When told of scientific proof such as I did regarding transsexuals, you just
"poof" it away with bull. Female hormones WILL NOT change the hypothalamus
in transsexual's brains.
No, you talked about transsexuals as if that somehow
proved gays are born that way. It doesn't and btw,
these transsexuals take hormones to look more female.
As far as homosexuality, the jury's still out. I hope that within my
lifetime and yours that the truth be out whatever it be.
So if the jury is still out, then why do you argue that
it is genetic, when you now admit that you don't know?
And you call ME a liar???
You no more love the truth NO MATTER where it leads
You have just made yourself an admitted liar above and
you wish to tell me that I don't love the truth? LIAR!
You also have not shown that *IF* homosexuality is
genetic, how that automatically means it is a good
thing and should be catered to. Do you have ANY reason
we should call it good, if it is genetic?
because I have shown you
many inconsistencies in the bible and you come up with nonsense.
Nonsense to you, equals any explanation that doesn't
end with, "You're right.".
Remember the 14 generation nonsense, Dave?
Attacking the Bible does not mean you are honest. If
you have a point to make about the Bible, then proceed.
But quit acting like an emotional 6 year old girl.
This time, try answering my points head on, with logic
and fact, instead of whiney insulting responses, that
totally avoid the issue at hand.
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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Believing in the Creator. When Paul preached to
those worshipping nature and said... "turn from
these vanities unto the living God, which made
heaven and earth and the sea and all things that
are therein:" - Acts 14:15 Paul believed it too.
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12 Jul 2004 11:06:13 AM |
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Fake "Pastor" Dave wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:37:23 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
<snip>
This time, try answering my points head on, with logic
and fact, instead of whiney insulting responses, that
totally avoid the issue at hand.
He is only taking his example from you "pastor" Dave. You don't answer
with facts, logic and cites from peer reviewed scientific journals...
you answer with quotations from your translated and mistranslated book
of middle eastern mythology.
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12 Jul 2004 01:02:24 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:06:13 -0400, "L. Michael
Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> posted
thusly:
Fake "Pastor" Dave wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:37:23 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
<snip>
This time, try answering my points head on, with logic
and fact, instead of whiney insulting responses, that
totally avoid the issue at hand.
He is only taking his example from you "pastor" Dave. You don't answer
with facts, logic and cites from peer reviewed scientific journals...
you answer with quotations from your translated and mistranslated book
of middle eastern mythology.
And now, another one who claims that I don't answer
with facts, nor logic, after he snips out what I said,
changes the name he's responding to (me), to include
the word, "fake" and then goes on to insult my faith.
Yea, I'm the emotional one who lacks facts. <chuckle>
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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11 Jul 2004 02:08:06 PM |
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Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jude & Sandra"
Dave, you and I have been at it MANY times. YOU are NOT willing to face an
uncomfortable truth.
The truth that YOU are not willing to face, is that it
is evil.
For someone who pretends to be a pastor you sure do like
to preach hatered.
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