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"Gactimus" |
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01 Jan 2005 01:28:24 PM |
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Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
01 Jan 2005 06:09:25 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts who
support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like country.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 09:08:31 AM |
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts who
support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like country.
Based on what evidence?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 03:17:35 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts who
support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like country.
Based on what evidence?
Imprisonment without trial, censorship, spending for wars, poverty for
people, government support of religion, limiting freedoms, no privacy, ...
All neocon values.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 11:51:36 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts who
support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like country.
Based on what evidence?
Read the newspapaers, listen to the various legitimate (FOX excluded) news
media, pay attention to current events and what is going on around you,
gaghemust.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 01:19:09 PM |
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BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D2644814642SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts who
support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like country.
Based on what evidence?
Read the newspapaers, listen to the various legitimate (FOX excluded)
news media, pay attention to current events and what is going on around
you, gaghemust.
You lack of evidence is duly noted. Thanks for admitting your claims of an
American theocracy are *****.
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 01:48:07 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104693549.c46bab5f24f5515c725df4ad21797023@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D2644814642SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts
who support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like
country.
Based on what evidence?
Read the newspapaers, listen to the various legitimate (FOX excluded)
news media, pay attention to current events and what is going on
around you, gaghemust.
You lack of evidence is duly noted. Thanks for admitting your claims of
an American theocracy are *****.
Are you really as ignorant as you appear to be in these ngs, gaghemust?
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 12:23:12 PM |
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In article <1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts who
support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like country.
Based on what evidence?
It's a slow process, but there does seem to be evidence of such a
movement. That American's are willing to give up their rights ostensibly
for "homeland security" is one indication that the population is
responding to the fears that government is able to propagate.
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious reasons
drove the US presidential election this past year.
It is also interesting to note the trend for Americans to become more
and more involved in aggressive and violent actions and on the soil of
other nations -- somewhat like the terrorists.
The terrorists use money from oil to finance their aggression. The US is
currently involved in gaining more and more oil to finance their own
aggression.
Schools are more and more moving away from science and the trend does
seem to be that education (like creation "science") is gearing education
towards religious education.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 01:47:31 PM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-214883.13231102012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts who
support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like
country.
Based on what evidence?
It's a slow process, but there does seem to be evidence of such a
movement. That American's are willing to give up their rights ostensibly
for "homeland security" is one indication that the population is
responding to the fears that government is able to propagate.
What rights have they given up?
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious reasons
drove the US presidential election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy. Americans were more
religious 200 years ago than they are today. Was the United States a
theocracy then?
It is also interesting to note the trend for Americans to become more
and more involved in aggressive and violent actions and on the soil of
other nations -- somewhat like the terrorists.
Not like terrorists, and has nothing to do with the United States being a
theocracy.
Schools are more and more moving away from science and the trend does
seem to be that education (like creation "science") is gearing education
towards religious education.
Your lack of evidence that the United States is becoming a theocracy is
duly noted.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 03:18:46 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-214883.13231102012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts who
support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like
country.
Based on what evidence?
It's a slow process, but there does seem to be evidence of such a
movement. That American's are willing to give up their rights ostensibly
for "homeland security" is one indication that the population is
responding to the fears that government is able to propagate.
What rights have they given up?
Right to a fair trial.
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious reasons
drove the US presidential election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 03:36:00 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-214883.13231102012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that
count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts
who support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like
country.
Based on what evidence?
It's a slow process, but there does seem to be evidence of such a
movement. That American's are willing to give up their rights
ostensibly for "homeland security" is one indication that the
population is responding to the fears that government is able to
propagate.
What rights have they given up?
Right to a fair trial.
Prove it.
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious reasons
drove the US presidential election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 05:32:32 PM |
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In article <1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-214883.13231102012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that
count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts
who support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like
country.
Based on what evidence?
It's a slow process, but there does seem to be evidence of such a
movement. That American's are willing to give up their rights
ostensibly for "homeland security" is one indication that the
population is responding to the fears that government is able to
propagate.
What rights have they given up?
Right to a fair trial.
Prove it.
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious reasons
drove the US presidential election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those day. The
law does not allow me to do so. How am I free to earn my living and
avoid the dominant religion of the land. I think that the christian who
do want Christmas, for example, off from work should do it at their own
expense.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 05:43:21 PM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious
reasons drove the US presidential election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those day. The
law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from but in the
United States there no law that says you can't work on Christmas.
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 07:31:23 PM |
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In article <1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious
reasons drove the US presidential election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those day. The
law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from but in the
United States there no law that says you can't work on Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that people make
in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the paragraph than what
you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my employees
come in and earn their wages and me my profits this is allowable under
the law?
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 07:54:38 PM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-806DC8.20312302012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a
religious order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or
religious reasons drove the US presidential election this past
year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those day. The
law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from but in
the United States there no law that says you can't work on Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that people make
in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the paragraph than what
you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my employees
come in and earn their wages and me my profits this is allowable under
the law?
If you mean, can you work on Christmas, then yes if you really want to.
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 11:00:51 PM |
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In article <1104717278.7acf43d239cbfecb4f1c98249f580091@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-806DC8.20312302012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a
religious order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or
religious reasons drove the US presidential election this past
year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those day. The
law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from but in
the United States there no law that says you can't work on Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that people make
in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the paragraph than what
you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my employees
come in and earn their wages and me my profits this is allowable under
the law?
If you mean, can you work on Christmas, then yes if you really want to.
So you'll support removing the discriminating employment practices and
laws for those elect to have freedom from the dominant religion?
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
03 Jan 2005 09:03:48 AM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5FA4A9.00004903012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104717278.7acf43d239cbfecb4f1c98249f580091@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-806DC8.20312302012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a
religious order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or
religious reasons drove the US presidential election this past
year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those day.
The law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from but
in the United States there no law that says you can't work on
Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that people
make in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the paragraph than
what you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my employees
come in and earn their wages and me my profits this is allowable
under the law?
If you mean, can you work on Christmas, then yes if you really want to.
So you'll support removing the discriminating employment practices and
laws for those elect to have freedom from the dominant religion?
So you're saying that companies should be forced to stay open on
Christmas?
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate Christmas or work for a company that
gives their employees Christmas off.
.
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
03 Jan 2005 10:30:26 AM |
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In article <5tadnX9wx55Jw0TcRVn-1g@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5FA4A9.00004903012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104717278.7acf43d239cbfecb4f1c98249f580091@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-806DC8.20312302012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a
religious order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or
religious reasons drove the US presidential election this past
year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those day.
The law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from but
in the United States there no law that says you can't work on
Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that people
make in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the paragraph than
what you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my employees
come in and earn their wages and me my profits this is allowable
under the law?
If you mean, can you work on Christmas, then yes if you really want to.
So you'll support removing the discriminating employment practices and
laws for those elect to have freedom from the dominant religion?
So you're saying that companies should be forced to stay open on
Christmas?
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate Christmas or work for a company that
gives their employees Christmas off.
Force is irrelevant to the issue. We were discussing this as an example
of a state sponsored day of religion.
.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
03 Jan 2005 12:13:02 PM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-A192E1.11302603012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <5tadnX9wx55Jw0TcRVn-1g@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5FA4A9.00004903012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104717278.7acf43d239cbfecb4f1c98249f580091@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-806DC8.20312302012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>, Gactimus
<gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a
religious order is another. It is interesting that "moral"
or religious reasons drove the US presidential election this
past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those
day. The law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from
but in the United States there no law that says you can't work on
Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that
people make in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the
paragraph than what you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my
employees come in and earn their wages and me my profits this is
allowable under the law?
If you mean, can you work on Christmas, then yes if you really want
to.
So you'll support removing the discriminating employment practices
and laws for those elect to have freedom from the dominant religion?
So you're saying that companies should be forced to stay open on
Christmas?
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate Christmas or work for a company that
gives their employees Christmas off.
Force is irrelevant to the issue. We were discussing this as an example
of a state sponsored day of religion.
There's nothing state sponsored about it. The vast majority of companies
give their employees Christmas off because over 90% of Americans celebrate
it.
.
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
03 Jan 2005 12:42:37 PM |
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In article <1104775982.cfdcc2c03839ddb030dff9e82770f2b4@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-A192E1.11302603012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <5tadnX9wx55Jw0TcRVn-1g@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5FA4A9.00004903012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104717278.7acf43d239cbfecb4f1c98249f580091@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-806DC8.20312302012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>, Gactimus
<gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a
religious order is another. It is interesting that "moral"
or religious reasons drove the US presidential election this
past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those
day. The law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from
but in the United States there no law that says you can't work on
Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that
people make in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the
paragraph than what you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my
employees come in and earn their wages and me my profits this is
allowable under the law?
If you mean, can you work on Christmas, then yes if you really want
to.
So you'll support removing the discriminating employment practices
and laws for those elect to have freedom from the dominant religion?
So you're saying that companies should be forced to stay open on
Christmas?
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate Christmas or work for a company that
gives their employees Christmas off.
Force is irrelevant to the issue. We were discussing this as an example
of a state sponsored day of religion.
There's nothing state sponsored about it. The vast majority of companies
give their employees Christmas off because over 90% of Americans celebrate
it.
Where I live, there are laws in place. I can do some checking, but I'm
likely to find similar employment and operational laws for businesses.
Celebrate after business hours.
.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
03 Jan 2005 12:56:56 PM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5934CB.13423703012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104775982.cfdcc2c03839ddb030dff9e82770f2b4@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-A192E1.11302603012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <5tadnX9wx55Jw0TcRVn-1g@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5FA4A9.00004903012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104717278.7acf43d239cbfecb4f1c98249f580091@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-806DC8.20312302012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a
religious order is another. It is interesting that
"moral" or religious reasons drove the US presidential
election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those
day. The law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from
but in the United States there no law that says you can't work
on Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that
people make in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the
paragraph than what you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean
anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my
employees come in and earn their wages and me my profits this
is allowable under the law?
If you mean, can you work on Christmas, then yes if you really
want to.
So you'll support removing the discriminating employment practices
and laws for those elect to have freedom from the dominant religion?
So you're saying that companies should be forced to stay open on
Christmas?
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate Christmas or work for a company
that gives their employees Christmas off.
Force is irrelevant to the issue. We were discussing this as an
example of a state sponsored day of religion.
There's nothing state sponsored about it. The vast majority of
companies give their employees Christmas off because over 90% of
Americans celebrate it.
Where I live, there are laws in place. I can do some checking, but I'm
likely to find similar employment and operational laws for businesses.
Celebrate after business hours.
I don't know where you are from but here in the United States, we have
lives outside of our jobs.
You can work on Christmas day if you want. Nobody is stopping you. The
fact is that the vast majority of Americans want Christmas day off as a
holiday. I'm really not sure what you are complaining about. Are you
suggesting that they businesses should be forced to stay open on Christmas?
.
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
03 Jan 2005 01:32:26 PM |
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In article <XP6dnWEE4o_lCETcRVn-rw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5934CB.13423703012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104775982.cfdcc2c03839ddb030dff9e82770f2b4@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-A192E1.11302603012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <5tadnX9wx55Jw0TcRVn-1g@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5FA4A9.00004903012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104717278.7acf43d239cbfecb4f1c98249f580091@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-806DC8.20312302012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a
religious order is another. It is interesting that
"moral" or religious reasons drove the US presidential
election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those
day. The law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from
but in the United States there no law that says you can't work
on Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that
people make in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the
paragraph than what you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean
anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my
employees come in and earn their wages and me my profits this
is allowable under the law?
If you mean, can you work on Christmas, then yes if you really
want to.
So you'll support removing the discriminating employment practices
and laws for those elect to have freedom from the dominant religion?
So you're saying that companies should be forced to stay open on
Christmas?
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate Christmas or work for a company
that gives their employees Christmas off.
Force is irrelevant to the issue. We were discussing this as an
example of a state sponsored day of religion.
There's nothing state sponsored about it. The vast majority of
companies give their employees Christmas off because over 90% of
Americans celebrate it.
Where I live, there are laws in place. I can do some checking, but I'm
likely to find similar employment and operational laws for businesses.
Celebrate after business hours.
I don't know where you are from but here in the United States, we have
lives outside of our jobs.
You can work on Christmas day if you want. Nobody is stopping you. The
fact is that the vast majority of Americans want Christmas day off as a
holiday. I'm really not sure what you are complaining about. Are you
suggesting that they businesses should be forced to stay open on Christmas?
I'm suggesting that I should be free of dominant religion which is the
issue that was being discussed. The closing of government on this
religious holiday prevents me from accessing governmental services in
addition to doing business. I am prevented from doing business with my
government. I am in a position of having the dominant religion imposed.
.
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| User: "Stonerbud" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
03 Jan 2005 02:43:18 PM |
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Americans celebrate many holidays during the year including but not limited
to, New Year's Day , Martin Luther King Day, President's Day, Good Friday ,
Easter, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Columbus Day,
Thanksgiving and Christmas. Most if not all of these holidays mean the
closing of the government in one way or another and as you can see, not all
of them are religious in nature but more of what this country has endured
since its founding. One of the reasons that the first European- Americans
came to this country was because they wanted to have the freedom to
celebrate their religious or national holidays as they wished. I live in a
small community with the population of about 25,000- on Christmas, there
were gas stations, convenience stores, restaurants and pharmacy-retail
stores open. And I seriously doubt they were breaking the law by being open.
The US is not the only country to celebrate the same or similar holidays
while giving employees time off and as well as the government closing as
well (Canada for an example). If you are concerned about working on any
holiday, might I suggest opening your own business or find a business that
follows the same way of thinking that you do (a business that will allow you
to work 7 days a week, 365 days a year and hopefully does not allow vacation
or sick time, because it seems that you are one motivated worker whom has a
plan for success.) Two thumbs up to you!!
Stoner
"Ron" <ronis@home.com> wrote in message
news:ronis-7A832D.14322603012005@news.isp.giganews.com...
In article <XP6dnWEE4o_lCETcRVn-rw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5934CB.13423703012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104775982.cfdcc2c03839ddb030dff9e82770f2b4@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-A192E1.11302603012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <5tadnX9wx55Jw0TcRVn-1g@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5FA4A9.00004903012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104717278.7acf43d239cbfecb4f1c98249f580091@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-806DC8.20312302012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a
religious order is another. It is interesting that
"moral" or religious reasons drove the US presidential
election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those
day. The law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from
but in the United States there no law that says you can't work
on Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that
people make in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the
paragraph than what you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean
anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my
employees come in and earn their wages and me my profits this
is allowable under the law?
If you mean, can you work on Christmas, then yes if you really
want to.
So you'll support removing the discriminating employment practices
and laws for those elect to have freedom from the dominant
religion?
So you're saying that companies should be forced to stay open on
Christmas?
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate Christmas or work for a company
that gives their employees Christmas off.
Force is irrelevant to the issue. We were discussing this as an
example of a state sponsored day of religion.
There's nothing state sponsored about it. The vast majority of
companies give their employees Christmas off because over 90% of
Americans celebrate it.
Where I live, there are laws in place. I can do some checking, but I'm
likely to find similar employment and operational laws for businesses.
Celebrate after business hours.
I don't know where you are from but here in the United States, we have
lives outside of our jobs.
You can work on Christmas day if you want. Nobody is stopping you. The
fact is that the vast majority of Americans want Christmas day off as a
holiday. I'm really not sure what you are complaining about. Are you
suggesting that they businesses should be forced to stay open on
Christmas?
I'm suggesting that I should be free of dominant religion which is the
issue that was being discussed. The closing of government on this
religious holiday prevents me from accessing governmental services in
addition to doing business. I am prevented from doing business with my
government. I am in a position of having the dominant religion imposed.
.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
03 Jan 2005 03:39:01 PM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7A832D.14322603012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <XP6dnWEE4o_lCETcRVn-rw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5934CB.13423703012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104775982.cfdcc2c03839ddb030dff9e82770f2b4@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-A192E1.11302603012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <5tadnX9wx55Jw0TcRVn-1g@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-5FA4A9.00004903012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104717278.7acf43d239cbfecb4f1c98249f580091@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-806DC8.20312302012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104709402.c5c1ab335d55bea1db1d0d84188c4bec@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-7CF658.18323202012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article
<1104701760.6877534eb4632f7d5e0c6362cefe9a99@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cr9ofl$rhk$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a
religious order is another. It is interesting that
"moral" or religious reasons drove the US presidential
election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy.
It does when people are not free to reject the religion.
Yet such a situation does not exist in the United States.
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those
day. The law does not allow me to do so.
I don't know what sort of socialist commie country you're from
but in the United States there no law that says you can't work
on Christmas.
I find it intellectually dishonest to edit the comments that
people make in this way. I clearly recall writing more in the
paragraph than what you have responded to here.
"Socialist commie country" can I take that to mean
anti-theocracy?
So if I want to open my business in X, USA and have all my
employees come in and earn their wages and me my profits this
is allowable under the law?
If you mean, can you work on Christmas, then yes if you really
want to.
So you'll support removing the discriminating employment
practices and laws for those elect to have freedom from the
dominant religion?
So you're saying that companies should be forced to stay open on
Christmas?
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate Christmas or work for a company
that gives their employees Christmas off.
Force is irrelevant to the issue. We were discussing this as an
example of a state sponsored day of religion.
There's nothing state sponsored about it. The vast majority of
companies give their employees Christmas off because over 90% of
Americans celebrate it.
Where I live, there are laws in place. I can do some checking, but
I'm likely to find similar employment and operational laws for
businesses.
Celebrate after business hours.
I don't know where you are from but here in the United States, we have
lives outside of our jobs.
You can work on Christmas day if you want. Nobody is stopping you. The
fact is that the vast majority of Americans want Christmas day off as a
holiday. I'm really not sure what you are complaining about. Are you
suggesting that they businesses should be forced to stay open on
Christmas?
I'm suggesting that I should be free of dominant religion which is the
issue that was being discussed.
You are.
The closing of government on this religious holiday prevents me from
accessing governmental services in addition to doing business.
That's too bad. I'm sure you can wait until the next day.
I am prevented from doing business with my government.
So what? You can't do business with the government on Sunday, Saturday
(sometimes), and on countless other federal holidays that have nothing to do
with religion.
I am in a position of having the dominant religion imposed.
No one is imposing any religion on you.
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02 Jan 2005 07:50:22 PM |
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Ron wrote:
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those day. The
law does not allow me to do so. How am I free to earn my living and
avoid the dominant religion of the land. I think that the christian who
do want Christmas, for example, off from work should do it at their own
expense.
What are you, a fucking plumber? Why don't you find yourself more
creative work that you can do 24/7, at home, dumbass?
JB
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02 Jan 2005 11:05:24 PM |
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In article <yx1Cd.37041$kq2.25044@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
Joe Blow <joseph_blow16@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ron wrote:
I want to reject Christian holidays. I want to work on those day. The
law does not allow me to do so. How am I free to earn my living and
avoid the dominant religion of the land. I think that the christian who
do want Christmas, for example, off from work should do it at their own
expense.
What are you, a fucking plumber? Why don't you find yourself more
creative work that you can do 24/7, at home, dumbass?
There's a reasoned response...
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02 Jan 2005 02:10:18 PM |
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In article <-pqdneGWEvpO0kXcRVn-hw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-214883.13231102012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving Muslim
countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts who
support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like
country.
Based on what evidence?
It's a slow process, but there does seem to be evidence of such a
movement. That American's are willing to give up their rights ostensibly
for "homeland security" is one indication that the population is
responding to the fears that government is able to propagate.
What rights have they given up?
Should we review the "patriot act". It seems that the American congress
and senate didn't even bother to review it?
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious reasons
drove the US presidential election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy. Americans were more
religious 200 years ago than they are today. Was the United States a
theocracy then?
But it is a start. When a nation's laws and culture become closer and
closer to the major religion, I would say that the process is on the
way. DOMA would be an example of denying the individual freedom in
favour of the religious position of the relevant god.
It is also interesting to note the trend for Americans to become more
and more involved in aggressive and violent actions and on the soil of
other nations -- somewhat like the terrorists.
Not like terrorists, and has nothing to do with the United States being a
theocracy.
What theocracies are not involved in such activities?
Schools are more and more moving away from science and the trend does
seem to be that education (like creation "science") is gearing education
towards religious education.
Your lack of evidence that the United States is becoming a theocracy is
duly noted.
Dismissing the evidence is not a lack of evidence.
Please define then, what is required to label a nation a theocracy and
we can filter through the list.
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02 Jan 2005 02:09:06 PM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-34032F.15101802012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <-pqdneGWEvpO0kXcRVn-hw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-214883.13231102012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving
Muslim countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that
count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts
who support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like
country.
Based on what evidence?
It's a slow process, but there does seem to be evidence of such a
movement. That American's are willing to give up their rights
ostensibly for "homeland security" is one indication that the
population is responding to the fears that government is able to
propagate.
What rights have they given up?
Should we review the "patriot act". It seems that the American congress
and senate didn't even bother to review it?
Your inability to answer the question is noted.
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious reasons
drove the US presidential election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy. Americans were more
religious 200 years ago than they are today. Was the United States a
theocracy then?
But it is a start. When a nation's laws and culture become closer and
closer to the major religion, I would say that the process is on the
way. DOMA would be an example of denying the individual freedom in
favour of the religious position of the relevant god.
No more than the banning of pedophilia has to do with religion.
It is also interesting to note the trend for Americans to become more
and more involved in aggressive and violent actions and on the soil
of other nations -- somewhat like the terrorists.
Not like terrorists, and has nothing to do with the United States being
a theocracy.
What theocracies are not involved in such activities?
Vatican City.
Schools are more and more moving away from science and the trend does
seem to be that education (like creation "science") is gearing
education towards religious education.
Your lack of evidence that the United States is becoming a theocracy is
duly noted.
Dismissing the evidence is not a lack of evidence.
There was no evidence to dismiss.
Please define then, what is required to label a nation a theocracy and
we can filter through the list.
A theocracy is a government in which the governmental rulers are identical
with the leaders of the dominant religion. Governmental policies are either
identical with or strongly influenced by the principles of the majority
religion, and typically, the government claims to rule on behalf of God or
a higher power, as specified by the local religion. However, unlike other
forms of government a theocracy is unique in that the administrative
hierarchy of government is identical with the administrative hierarchy of a
religion. This distinguishes a theocracy from forms of governments which
have a state religion or from traditional monarchies in which the head of
state claims that his or her authority comes from God.
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 02:46:34 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104696546.958472f0bdc771664e73bdad4f3776af@bubbanews:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-34032F.15101802012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <-pqdneGWEvpO0kXcRVn-hw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-214883.13231102012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving
Muslim countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that
count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon
winguts who support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic,
taliban-like country.
Based on what evidence?
It's a slow process, but there does seem to be evidence of such a
movement. That American's are willing to give up their rights
ostensibly for "homeland security" is one indication that the
population is responding to the fears that government is able to
propagate.
What rights have they given up?
Should we review the "patriot act". It seems that the American
congress and senate didn't even bother to review it?
Your inability to answer the question is noted.
Is that your canned response to everything you cannot rufute, gagumust?
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious
reasons drove the US presidential election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy. Americans were more
religious 200 years ago than they are today. Was the United States a
theocracy then?
But it is a start. When a nation's laws and culture become closer and
closer to the major religion, I would say that the process is on the
way. DOMA would be an example of denying the individual freedom in
favour of the religious position of the relevant god.
No more than the banning of pedophilia has to do with religion.
Looks like pedophilia and religion are tightly entwined, gagumust. Again,
don't you keep up with current events?
It is also interesting to note the trend for Americans to become
more and more involved in aggressive and violent actions and on the
soil of other nations -- somewhat like the terrorists.
Not like terrorists, and has nothing to do with the United States
being a theocracy.
What theocracies are not involved in such activities?
Vatican City.
Don't you mean Pedophilia City, gagumust?
Schools are more and more moving away from science and the trend
does seem to be that education (like creation "science") is gearing
education towards religious education.
Your lack of evidence that the United States is becoming a theocracy
is duly noted.
Dismissing the evidence is not a lack of evidence.
There was no evidence to dismiss.
Just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth doesn't mean there isn't
any evidence, gagumust. Try to keep up.
Please define then, what is required to label a nation a theocracy and
we can filter through the list.
A theocracy is a government in which the governmental rulers are
identical with the leaders of the dominant religion.
You mean like the Bush regime in the U.S., gagumust?
Governmental
policies are either identical with or strongly influenced by the
principles of the majority religion, and typically, the government
claims to rule on behalf of God or a higher power, as specified by the
local religion.
You mean like the Bush regime in the U.S., gagumust?
However, unlike other forms of government a theocracy
is unique in that the administrative hierarchy of government is
identical with the administrative hierarchy of a religion. This
distinguishes a theocracy from forms of governments which have a state
religion or from traditional monarchies in which the head of state
claims that his or her authority comes from God.
Which god, gagumust? Whose god, gagumust?
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 05:15:18 PM |
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In article <1104696546.958472f0bdc771664e73bdad4f3776af@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-34032F.15101802012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <-pqdneGWEvpO0kXcRVn-hw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-214883.13231102012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the contribution of the peace loving
Muslim countries to the tsunami victims?
Well, in 50 years France will be a Muslim country. Does that
count?
And under the Bush regime and with the help of the neocon winguts
who support them, the U.S. will become a theocratic, taliban-like
country.
Based on what evidence?
It's a slow process, but there does seem to be evidence of such a
movement. That American's are willing to give up their rights
ostensibly for "homeland security" is one indication that the
population is responding to the fears that government is able to
propagate.
What rights have they given up?
Should we review the "patriot act". It seems that the American congress
and senate didn't even bother to review it?
Your inability to answer the question is noted.
there are over 1,000 items listed in the Act. Would you like to review
it with me and we can assess which rights Americans have given up?
The futher trend to see more and more people conform to a religious
order is another. It is interesting that "moral" or religious reasons
drove the US presidential election this past year.
A religious populous does not equal a theocracy. Americans were more
religious 200 years ago than they are today. Was the United States a
theocracy then?
But it is a start. When a nation's laws and culture become closer and
closer to the major religion, I would say that the process is on the
way. DOMA would be an example of denying the individual freedom in
favour of the religious position of the relevant god.
No more than the banning of pedophilia has to do with religion.
Interesting. You mean that Christianity approves of paedophiila and it's
the secular folks who make laws against it?
It is also interesting to note the trend for Americans to become more
and more involved in aggressive and violent actions and on the soil
of other nations -- somewhat like the terrorists.
Not like terrorists, and has nothing to do with the United States being
a theocracy.
What theocracies are not involved in such activities?
Vatican City.
But they have been historically. I couldn't find anything in the laws of
this land that makes a terrorist act illegal. I couldn't find anything
in the laws of this land that makes it illegal for a terrorist to
conduct terrorist activities on their soil. I couldn't find anything in
the laws of the land that would prohibit a terrorist from buying or
selling a weapon of mass destruction there.
Schools are more and more moving away from science and the trend does
seem to be that education (like creation "science") is gearing
education towards religious education.
Your lack of evidence that the United States is becoming a theocracy is
duly noted.
Dismissing the evidence is not a lack of evidence.
There was no evidence to dismiss.
Please define then, what is required to label a nation a theocracy and
we can filter through the list.
A theocracy is a government in which the governmental rulers are identical
with the leaders of the dominant religion. Governmental policies are either
identical with or strongly influenced by the principles of the majority
religion, and typically, the government claims to rule on behalf of God or
a higher power, as specified by the local religion.
Like a constitution that speaks of a creator and god given rights.
However, unlike other
forms of government a theocracy is unique in that the administrative
hierarchy of government is identical with the administrative hierarchy of a
religion. This distinguishes a theocracy from forms of governments which
have a state religion or from traditional monarchies in which the head of
state claims that his or her authority comes from God.
The constitution of the US states that the rights created therein are
from god as is the creation of the position of president. A rose by any
other name... president, queen, kalif,
Now to clarify, I didn't claim that the US was a theocracy. I stated it
was in the process of becoming one. The evidence is growing.
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: How many million dollars have Muslims donated? |
02 Jan 2005 12:39:01 PM |
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Ron <ronis@home.com> wrote in
news:ronis-214883.13231102012005@news.isp.giganews.com:
In article <1104678511.a7809070fb5d5c9c8641973415dcecaa@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote in news:Xns95D1A456FA855SD@68.6.19.6:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1104607704.7264c5fff2c6c82118a43605d8e7b2c9@bubbanews:
"HarryHope" <Harry@Earthlink.com> wrote in
news:ifdBd.206774$6w6.146425@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
Any figures in yet on the | | | | |
