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Nicely done, Osprey! Let's see 'em choke on this post.
Crafty

Gee you pro-aborts are stupid.

Yes the fetus lungs are functioning and breathing in the amniotic fluid

this helps develop the respiratory system.


And for you to deny that, it just absolutely mind boggling when there is
medical sources all over the place that will verify this.

Here is some more educationg for you idiotic morons

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/SFL/fetology.htm

The Facts of Prenatal Development



Is it a human being?

"From the moment a baby is conceived, it bears the indelible stamp of a
separate distinct personality, an individual different from all other
individuals." Ultrasound pioneer, Sir William Liley, M.D. 1967.

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into
existence. This is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. Each

has a very neat beginning, at conception." Dr. Jerome Lejeune, genetics
professor at the University of Descartes, Paris. He discovered the Down
syndrome chromosome.

"It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life

conception." Professor M. Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical

"By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from

moment of conception." Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic.

When does the heart begin to beat?

At 18 days [when the mother is only four days late for her first

period], and by 21 days it is pumping, through a closed circulatory

blood whose type is different from that of the mother. J.M. Tanner, G.

Taylor, and the Editors of Time-Life Books, Growth, New York: Life

Library, 1965, p.

When is the brain functioning?

Brain waves have been recorded at 40 days on the Electroencephalogram

H. Hamlin, "Life or Death by EEG," JAMA, Oct. 12, 1964, p. 120

Brain function, as measured on the Electroencephalogram, "appears to be
reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks gestation," or six

after conception. J. Goldenring, "Development of the Fetal Brain," New
England Jour. of Med., Aug. 26, 1982, p. 564

How early do some organs form?

The eye, ear and respiratory systems begin to form four weeks after
fertilization. K. Moore, Before We Were Born, 3rd ed., 1989, p. 278

And function?

Very early, e.g., glucagon, a blood sugar hormone, has been demonstrated

the fetal pancreas 6 weeks after fertilization, and insulin by 7 to 8.

Cunningham, "Pancreas," William's Obstet., 19th ed., 1993, p. 183-4

Thumbsucking has been photographed at 7 weeks after fertilization. W.

The Fetus As Personality, Fetal Therapy, 1986, p. 8-17

When does the developing baby first move?

"In the sixth to seventh weeks. . . . If the area of the lips is gently
stroked, the child responds by bending the upper body to one side and

a quick backward motion with his arms. This is called a 'total pattern
response' because it involves most of the body, rather than a local

L. B. Arey, Developmental Anatomy (6th ed.), Philadelphia: W. B. Sanders
Co., 1954

At eight weeks, "if we tickle the baby's nose, he will flex his head
backwards away from the stimulus." A. Hellgers, M.D., "Fetal

31," Theological Studies, vol. 3, no. 7, 1970, p. 26

Another example is from a surgical technician whose letter said, "When

opened her abdomen (for a tubal pregnancy), the tube had expelled an
inch-long fetus, about 4-6 weeks old. It was still alive in the sack.

tiny baby was waving its little arms and kicking its little legs and

turned its whole body over." J. Dobson, Focus on the Family Mag., Aug.

pg. 16

When are all her body systems present?

By eight weeks (two months). Hooker & Davenport, The Prenatal Origin of
Behavior, University of Kansas Press, 1952

When do teeth form?

All 20 milk-teeth buds are present at six and a half weeks."Life Before
Birth," Life Magazine, Apr. 30, 1965, p. 10

And include dental lamina at 8 weeks. Med. Embryology, Longman, 3rd Ed.,
1975, p. 406

How about nine weeks?

At nine to ten weeks, he squints, swallows, moves his tongue, and if you
stroke his palm, will make a tight fist.

By nine weeks he will "bend his fingers round an object in the palm of

hand." Valman & Pearson, "What the Fetus Feels," British Med. Jour.,

26, 1980

When does he start to breathe?

"By 11 to 12 weeks (3 months), he is breathing fluid steadily and

so until birth. At birth, he will breathe air. He does not drown by
breathing fluid with-in his mother, because he obtains his oxygen from

umbilical cord. This breathing develops the organs of respiration."

Before Birth," Life Magazine, Apr. 30, 1965, p. 13

"Maternal cigarette smoking during pregnancy decreases the frequency of
fetal breathing by 20%. The 'well documented' higher incidence of
prematurity, stillbirth, and slower development of reading skill may be
related to this decrease." 80 F. Manning, "Meeting of Royal College of
Physicians & Surgeons," Family Practice News, March 15, 1976

"In the 11th week of gestation fetal breathing is irregular and

gestation continues, the breathing movements become more vigorous and
rapid." C. Dawes, "Fetal Breathing: Indication of Well Being," Family
Practice News, Mar. 16, 1976, p. 6

Episodic spontaneous breathing movement have been observed in the

human fetus as early as ten weeks gestational age. Conners et al.,

of Fetal Breathing in the Human Fetus," Am J. OB-GYN, April '89, p. 932

When can she swallow?

At 11 weeks. Valman & Pearson, British Med. Jour., "What the Fetus

26 Jan. 1980, p. 233

What of detailed development, like fingernails and eyelashes?

Fingernails are present by 11 to 12 weeks; eyelashes by 16 weeks.
Fingerprints are completely established during the fourth month of
gestation. Hamilton et al., Human Embryology, Fourth Ed., 1972, p. 567

At what point are all her body systems working?

By 11 weeks. "Life Before Birth," Life Magazine, Apr. 30, 1965, p. 13

How does the size of the baby increase in weight?

At 12 weeks (three months) she weighs about 30 gm (1.0 ounce); at 16

about 170 gm (6 ounces); and at 20 weeks (four months), approximately

(one pound).

When is taste present?

"Taste buds are working between 13 and 15 weeks gestation" (11 to 13

after conception). Mistretta & Bradley, Taste in Utero, 1977, p. 62

et al., "Dev. Taste Buds . . . ," J. Anat. 101 (4) 1967, p. 743-752

How about hearing?

"Auditory sense is present in the infant 24 weeks before birth [14 weeks
after conception]. This involves brain functioning and memory patterns."

Clemens, "5th International Congress Psychosomatic," OB & GYN, Rome:

Tribune, Mar. 22, 1978, p. 7

Are you pro-choice/aborts that scared???

Osprey <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message

Osprey <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Yes the fetus lungs are functioning and breathing in the amniotic

this helps develop the respiratory system.

If that is the case then why do infants born after just 26 weeks die
without special surfactants for the lungs?

Your reading comprehension skills are so weak

YOu're not answering the question, *****.

Read closely

the breathing of the amniotic fluid HELPS DEVELOP

"the fetus lungs are functioning"

If that is the case then why do infants born after just 26 weeks die
without special surfactants for the lungs?

It didn't say the lungs are developed and the fetus is ready to breath on
his or her own.

You said that the lungs are functioning, *****.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Pat Winstanley" <ng_wisy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

That they think a foetus breathes (anything)?

Gee you pro-aborts are stupid.

Snicker.

Yes the fetus lungs are functioning and breathing in the amniotic fluid

and

this helps develop the respiratory system.

If that is the case then why do infants born after just 26 weeks die
without special surfactants for the lungs?

Your reading comprehension skills are so weak

Read closely

the breathing of the amniotic fluid HELPS DEVELOP

It didn't say the lungs are developed and the fetus is ready to breath on
his or her own.

Like I said, you pro-choice/aborts are stupid

And for you to deny that, it just absolutely mind boggling when there

medical sources all over the place that will verify this.

And yet you don't cite any.

Tell you what,

first I have cited plenty

Second

you give me a cite that will refute that the fetus is breathing amniotic
fluid at that stage.

You do that, and you got something

you can't do that, accept that you are a idiot

Here is some more educationg for you idiotic morons

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/SFL/fetology.htm

That's a STUDENT anti-abortion web site riddled with the usual
***** and lies typical of you pro-liars.

Oh, typical tactic here folks

Attack the source, not the information

ROFL

Are you pro-choice/aborts that scared???

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

no@spam.com wrote:

And there's surely no moral difference between respirating through the
lungs or via the umbilical cord if we are comparing what are obviously
genetically unique, human individuals that are living and growing and
whether or not it's ok for us to indiscriminately kill them.\

Then you know a zef is a parasite. It sucks calcium from the mother's
bones. You would not object to the mother getting rid of a tape worm,
which is a separate organism. Why object to the mother getting rid of
the zef which is more life threatening than a tape worm?

Bob Kolker

no@spam.com wrote:

And there's surely no moral difference between respirating through the
lungs or via the umbilical cord if we are comparing what are obviously
genetically unique, human individuals that are living and growing and
whether or not it's ok for us to indiscriminately kill them.\

Then you know a zef is a parasite. It sucks calcium from the mother's
bones. You would not object to the mother getting rid of a tape worm,
which is a separate organism. Why object to the mother getting rid of
the zef which is more life threatening than a tape worm?