<glynch@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Hi George,
Re: Bush's & Hitlers Rhetoric being one in the same:

There are many documented examples. Honestly, I don't mean to sound
disrespectful, but you obviously rely on the fascist American corporate

news

media for your info, FOX, CNN, MSNBC ... a total waste of time.

Hitler, himself, like Bush said that freedom is not a gift from God,

it

must be fought for and defended.

So did Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and even John F. Kennedy. Are

like Hitler too?

John Adams, Revolutionary and President wrote: "If it be the pleasure of
Heaven that my country shall require the poor offering of my life, the
victim shall be ready. ... But while I do live, let me have a country, or

least the hope of a country, and that a free country."

Was John Adams like Hitler?

Thomas Jefferson, Revolutionary, author of the Declaration of

and President wrote:

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms ... The tree of liberty must be refreshed
from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas
Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson,
On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939.

Was Jefferson like Hitler?

Maybe you have it backwards, eh, Bob?

Infact, if you take many of their speeches,
as has been done foreign journalists, block out the names and dates, it

nearly impossible to distinguish many of Bush's speeches from Hitler's!

am not kidding.)

I'm sure you are not kidding. But, you just are simply unable to prove

point. Why? Because it is a Bush-hating fantasy that has been made up of
whole cloth. It is PROPAGANDA.

Post these "hitler-like" speeches and the ones made by Hitler, and compare
them side by side. PROVE your claim. I bet you won't and can't.

I believe that columnist John Podhoretz correctly describes the motivation
of people like you:

""Why do they hate you, Mr. President?" a British journalist asked

during a press conference. "Why do they hate you in such numbers?"

After listening to Bush's speech and considering the views expressed by

protestors and others, I have one possible answer: They hate him because

calls their values into question.

The Bush-haters are moralistic poseurs. The man they hate is a moral

They condemn barbarity. He does something about it. They call him a

a villain, a Hitler. In response, he celebrates the fact that they live in
societies that permit free speech.

He is a giant.

They are dwarves."

[John Podhoretz, "Liberty's Champion," 11/21/2003,
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/11383.htm]

You are a dwarf, Bob. A Bush-hating dwarf.

And let us not forget that old Nazi himself, Herman Goering who

said,"People

can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have

do

is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacsifists for

of

patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in

any

country ."

Hmm. Your citation is dubious if not false.

But even Herman G. said it, Bush didn't.

And putting words in other people's mouths is a lie.

Unfortunately, Goering was dead right. Sadam never posed a threat to the

US

and Bush has had to rejustify his reason for invasion what ... four or

five

times?

Tell me, sport. Are you an employee of the CIA, NSA, FBI or any law
enforcement agency?

HOW THE ***** CAN YOU MAKE THE ABOVE CLAIM IF YOU AREN'T!!

You really don't know a thing about the threats we face -- except what you
read on your leftist, America-hating web sites. Do you think that 9/11

some kind of special effects movie? Do you think that the $100 billion
dollar damage to NYC, including the destruction of an architectural

and 3000 incinerated people was some kind of fantasy?

Do you want another American city to be hit in the future?

Let me tell what the war on Iraq really is about: Saddam Hussein was an
object lesson to the rest of the world. Krauthammer nailed it:

"The domino effects of the Iraq campaign are already in clear view. It is

accident that Iran has agreed to surprise nuclear inspections. Mind you, I
do not hold much hope for this; it will take far more to disarm the

possibly U.S. airstrikes during a second Bush administration. But for now,
Bush's willfulness and determination in Iraq have persuaded Iran to grab a
European plan for inspections rather than face the wrath of the United
States.

Elsewhere in the Middle East, Hezbollah has been quiet since the war.

has made its first peace overture in years. Libya has now confessed and
capitulated on WMDs.

And that's not counting Iraq, which with Saddam Hussein captured has

turned a historic corner and may be on its way to establishing the first
pluralistic, representative pro-Western Arab polity in the region.

These are not triumphs of diplomacy. These are the aftershocks of war."

[Charles Krauthammer, "The Doggedness of War," 12/26/2003,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31114-2003Dec25.html]

Now, since you have no concept as to what this is all about -- you are too
wrapped up in your hatred of George W. Bush -- I am going to explain it to
you.

If you are the leader of a country that considers the United States of
America to be your enemy (for whatever reason), and if you think that you
can strike her through the use of intermediaries (terrorists, for example)
or cooperate with any other third party to strike the United States, you
have been now been put on notice that WE WILL COME TO YOUR COUNTRY and

we WILL destroy you, your regime, and hunt you down like the dog you are.

THAT is the Bush Doctrine.

And if you don't think that this is going to make a whole lot of evil
regimes behave in the future, you are naive or stupid. Terrorists CANNOT
exist without the active support, training facilities, and logistics of an
organized State feeding them money and supplies. If we cannot swat each
individual terrorist, we can swat the States that hate us enough to use

against us. And that WILL save American lives, and ultimately the lives

millions living elsewhere in the world.

Now about the *other* reason for taking down Saddam.

"Writing in the London-based Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, columnist
Ahmed Al-Rab'i issued a "J'accuse" at fellow Arabs: "Is there not a single
man of conscience who might be brought by these sights to . . . admit that
he was mistaken, that he was unaware of the truth, that he was a victim of
the misleading (Arab) media?" A Jordanian journalist declared the obvious:
"The dictatorship of the Iraqi Ba'ath reached the level of Pol Pot and the
Khmer Rouge in Cambodia . . . "

Any nation that marched into that torture chamber of a country and freed

deserves the world's gratitude. Instead, we have carping from all

...The United States and Britain have done a magnificent thing. Even if
nothing else follows from it -- no liberalization of the Arab world, no
breakthrough between Israelis and Palestinians, no hobbling of the terror
masters -- it will have been worth it. "

[Mona Charen, "Today's Nazis aren't Aryan," 6/10/2003,
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/charen061003.asp]


In the words of AM Rosenthal:

"I am seized with the memory of a woman beheaded without even a legal
charge. She was married, with three children. The "secret" police (about

secret as traffic cops in New York) hunted her husband down because he
belonged to a branch of Islam working against the government. The police
grabbed all the family members and pulled their heads back. The

beheaded the wife. Presumably, the husband got the masculine courtesy of
some kind of hearing before his head was cut off. I don't know.

There seems to be hardly a body part that did not interest the Iraq

officialdom. Amputation of breasts and tongues are known to the families,
but there are no pictures of the vanished victims, so naturally the
amputations are hard to prove. There is no knowing how many were tortured

death. The fate of tens of thousands who disappeared also remains

[AM Rosenthal, "Saddam the torturer: His legacy continues," 10/31/2003,
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/132218p-117971c.html]

In the words of INDICT,

"There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped into
it and we were again made to watch. Sometimes they went in head firs and
died quickly. Sometimes they went in feet first and died screaming. It was
horrible. I saw 30 people die like this. Their remains would be placed in
plastic bags and we were told they would be used as fish food . . . on one
occasion, I saw Qusay [President Saddam Hussein's youngest son] personally
supervise these murders."

This is one of the many witness statements that were taken by researchers
from INDICT - the organisation I chair - to provide evidence for legal

against specific Iraqi individuals for war crimes, crimes against humanity
and genocide. This account was taken in the past two weeks.

Another witness told us about practices of the security services towards
women: "Women were suspended by their hair as their families watched; men
were forced to watch as their wives were raped . . . women were suspended

their legs while they were menstruating until their periods were over, a
procedure designed to cause humiliation."

[Ann Clwyd, 3/18/2003, Indict.org.uk,
http://www.indict.org.uk/newsarticles.php?article=news180303]

That is ALL THE JUSTIFICATION that any rational, compassionate human being
needs to support a war to overthrow Saddam Hussein, the Butcher of

But people like you are NOT rational or compassionate HUMAN beings, are

"In years to come, there will be people who stayed pacifist or ignorant or
oblivious to what has happened, and they will be looked upon in later
history as cowards or dreamers or fools. And then there will be the people
who saw Sept. 11 for what it was, a declaration of war against us, and

accordingly. I want nothing more than to be in the latter camp, if only
because yesterday was and always will be Sept. 11 until our enemies are
vanquished." James J. Cramer, "The Making of a Hawk," 9/9/2002, The
Street.com, http://www.thestreet.com/funds/smarter_up/10039994.html

Please George, and others, watch the following speech by Arundhati Roy,

east Indian author and peace activists, who was actually jailed for

speaking

out against Cargill corporation and social injustice. And I beg of you,

try to listen with an open mind. She is a wonderful, incredibly

and very enchanting speaker.

She's an idiot. On 9/29/2001, she wrote:

"The world will probably never know what motivated those particular
hijackers who flew planes into those particular American buildings. They
were not glory boys. They left no suicide notes, no political messages; no
organisation has claimed credit for the attacks. All we know is that their
belief in what they were doing outstripped the natural human instinct for
survival, or any desire to be remembered. It's almost as though they could
not scale down the enormity of their rage to anything smaller than their
deeds. And what they did has blown a hole in the world as we knew it. In

absence of information, politicians, political commentators and writers
(like myself) will invest the act with their own politics, with their own
interpretations. This speculation, this analysis of the political climate

which the attacks took place, can only be a good thing."
[http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4266289,00.html]

All of which is demonstrated nonsense.

We know who did it and why. Their leader DID leave a political message:

wants the destruction of the United States of America. He gave us that
message in 1998. He has since admitted committing 9/11. And he said that

intend to continue to strike America until we either establish an Islamic
Republic or until we are all dead. He said so just this month.

And, in case you are a total ignoramus, "peace activists" will not be
spared.

People like you are being willfully stupid about the reality of this.

"Many left intellectuals live in America like internal aliens, refusing to
identify with their fellow citizens, regarding any hint of patriotic

as politically incorrect. That's why they had such difficulty responding
emotionally to the attacks of September 11 or joining in the expressions

solidarity that followed. Equally important, that's why their

in the policy debate after the attacks was so odd; their proposals (turn

the UN, collect evidence against bin Laden, and so on) seem to have been
developed with no concern for effectiveness and no sense of urgency. They
talked and wrote as if they could not imagine themselves responsible for

lives of their fellow-citizens...

...But what really marks the left, or a large part of it, is the

that comes with abandoning any such desire. The alienation is radical. How
else can one understand the unwillingness of people who, after all, live
here, and whose children and grandchildren live here, to join in a serious
debate about how to protect the country against future terrorist attacks?
There is a pathology in this unwillingness, and it has already done us

damage.

...We can be as critical as we like, but these are people whose fate we
share; we are responsible for their safety as they are for ours, and our
politics has to reflect that mutual responsibility. When they are

so are we; and we should join willingly and constructively in debates

how to defend the country." [Michael Walzer, "Can there be a decent

Dissent Magazine, Spring 2002,
http://www.dissentmagazine.org/wwwboard/salon.html]

We are all in this together, Bob -- in a war not of your making or of

But we, our children, our neighbors, and our families WILL be targeted.

the "sin" of being an American.

When she personally gets Osama bin Laden to surrender to a US Marshal for
the crime of conspiracy to commit mass murder, then maybe I'll listen to
her. Otherwise, she just a meaningless noise.

I leave you with a parable for our times, of my own making:

You are a peace protestor, carrying a picket expressing your hatred for

and violence. Standing next to you is your father's brother, Sam. Now,

is just kind of standing around. Sam is about 6 foot 4, 285 lbs, built

a fullback. Sam's got the reputation of being the last man standing in a
bar fight, though he hasn't had to fight in a decade. He still trains,

not as regularly as he should.

A small, thin, wiry man, weighing maybe all of 105 lbs, and not over 5'2"
tall, steps out of the crowd and walks up to Sam. With out saying or
telegraphing a thing, the guy slugs Sam in the solar plexus. Sam, being a
weight trainer and very fit, would normally have tensed his stomach

if he knew it was coming, but he is totally unprepared -- Sam simply

paying attention to the wiry man, you see. So. Sam is stunned, out of
breath, and he has sunk to his knees. He's not seriously hurt, mind you.
Just stunned with the breath knocked out of him. He begins to get to his
feet, his face purple with fury.

You turn to him and say, "Sam, don't hit him back. Look at him, he's
probably mad at you because you took the parking spot he wanted. Peace
brother! It's wrong to retaliate."

Sam, conscious of the disdainful looks your compatriots are giving him,

not strike back. Instead he nods and simply says between gasps, "Forgive

I didn't know that I offended you."

The wiry man, on the other hand, feels emboldened. After all, he just
sucker-punched Big Sam and made him drop to his knees. So, wiry man

into his pocket, puts something over his hand, and hits Sam hard in the
face, dropping him like a poleaxed ox.

The wiry man was wearing "brass knuckles," you see, allowing him the

to really hurt Sam with this one punch.

Sam is unconscious with a concussion and a broken jaw. Half the teeth on
the side where wiry man hit are broken or knocked out. As Sam struggles

regain consciousness, again you say to him: "don't hit him back, you're
above all that." Sam, being groggy, simply shrugs, wincing in pain, and
attempts to stand up.

Finally, Sam struggles dizzily to his feet. He's hurt pretty bad, now.

knows that the wiry man is still standing there, but he just can't focus

eyes, and barely sees the wiry man pull a knife.

Striking like a cobra, the wiry man steps forward, and slits Sam's throat
from ear to ear.

As the final blackness overtakes Sam, he sees the wiry man turn to you,

his bloody knife raised high, and hears him shout "Allah Ackbar," and

the killing stroke.

Sam's last thought is how stupid he was to let you talk him out of

the wiry guy into the pavement when he the chance, when he was still

of fighting. Now, you, his nephew, are going to die and there is nothing

can do about it.

Your last thought as he begins to slit your throat is "Uncle Sam, help!!"

You already know the moral to this story.

Here is the direct web link

Thank you in advance for your consideration.
Bob-Tampa, Florida