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Re: Okay, Time to Vent |
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What is happening in the Gulf Cost is a fucking disgrace.
Why are you calling nature a disgrace.
Hell junior, hurricanes happen, and have been for eons.
All the more inexcusable that we should not be
preparing for them.
But we have to the extent that we are capable of.
Garbage. Bush cut $40 million from New Orleans's budget that would
have specifically aided such an eventuality.
Why is the federal government giving money to New Orleans in the
first place?
Because it's under the sea level and needs special protection.
Your point? Why does the whole country have to subsidize the idiots who
voluntarily live in a danger zone?
Have you offered them somewhere else to live? As you regard the place
the were born as a "voluntary" residence?
So how does that make every taxpaying American financially responsible
according to the constitution?
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| User: "Irie" |
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| Title: Re: Okay, Time to Vent |
22 Sep 2005 05:32:32 PM |
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Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at
gunpoint,
i.e. taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is
it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social
conscience.
No it does not.
Why not? One of the earliest things a child learns and cries
over
is,
"That's not fair!" There is an inate sense of right and
wrong
in
all
of
us.
Because we are individuals with varying interests and
concerns.
Are
values may be quite similar, but our interests are not.
Would you wish to be helped if natural disaster wiped out
every
single
thing you owned? Everything, your neighbourhood, your home,
your
job?
I've prepared. I have insurance.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Did you investigate the finances of the insurance
company?
One of the best in the industry.
Not what I asked.
Read, then respond.
I asked whether YOU had investigated their finances. YOu didn't
answer. You parroted their marketing BS.
Do you think their history would include their finances?
History counts for nothing. More than one corporation has gone
bankrupt after years of success.
Yes, and you think that the government can prevent that?
FDIC
The FDIC can prevent companies from going bankrupt???
Nope. But like the FDIC, the government can ensure that insurance
companies maintain enough funds to pay expected claims.
I asked if you think the government can prevent bankruptcy, and you said the
FDIC. You obviously know what the FDIC is, so why did you dodge the
question? Because you are, yet again, wrong.
Did you depend upon society to make and enforce laws
ensuring that insurance companies were funded?
They do, and their history proves it.
So you depend upon the laws and government of society.
No, their proven history.
All of which has been governed by law and society.
No, very little is.
Obviously you know very little about how corporations are run.
You don't have a clue, Raymond.
"I know you are but what am I?"
I have proof,
You have nothing.
Enron, Tyco, Fen Fen, Vioxx, Hair Farming and so on. What was your proof
again? Oh, right, you don't need that. Your too smart, right little
Raymond? Good boy, have a cookie.
Companies in a free market, for the most part, are
governed by the same free market.
Oh gack, another one of you right-wing morons who does nothing but
parrot idiot propaganda.
I am not right wing. Both the left and the right are socialist commies
like
you.
Ah. You're a kook.
You are too much of a simpleton to understand that there is no difference
Kook
You are too much of a simpleton to understand that there is no difference
"Free market" is meaningless crap. There isn't such a thing and you
should be damn glad that there isn't.
The free market did exist far more so in the first 150 years of US
history.
Robber barons. Monopolies.
The US going from nothing to the sole super power in the world.
The kook changes the subject.
Here's another clue, kook: The US did not become a superpower until
AFTER laws were put into place that made monopolies illegal and AFTER
the rise of unions.
Right, in 50 years. Let's ignore the other 75% of our history. That makes
sense, Raymond. It wasn't before we became like everyone else before we
surpassed them in technology and overall quality of life.
Corporations are governed by a myriad of laws and regulations, and
especially insurance companies. Enforcement of contracts,
Yes, this is one of the things the government can and should do.
securities
regulations, funding requirements, disclosure requirement, accounting
rules, the list goes on. All of it to ensure transparency and
accountability.
Why wasn't the government able to stop the list of crimes I provide
below?
Because you right-wing kooks don't want the government involved.
You are again contradicting yourself.
No, you're just a simple-minded kook.
Because you dodge. You know you are wrong.
First you say the government protects
with their "myriad of laws", now your saying they are not involved enough.
Apparently I need to use somple words and explain everything in minute
detail so that your tiny mind can comprehend.
The government CAN protect people and has done so in the past, but it
cannot be infallible and in the past few years the republicans have
cut back on government protections allowing more fraud to take place.
It is not perfect, but it far more
effective than any law.
Free markets lead to monopolies.
No,
Yes. Capitalism tends to concentrate wealth leading to ever more
power in fewer hands and monopolies.
The US is the richest country in the world,
Non sequitur.
Are we not the richest country in the world? Most of our poor own TVs,
cars, A/C, and larger living space than nearly anyone in the world.
and there is a reason for it.
Natural resources.
LOL, the Soviet Union had more natural resources and oil than anywhere in
the world. Why didn't your commie brethren make it, Raymond?
Capitalism is the reason why.
Lots of nations have capitalism.
Name one.
For proof, see the socialized countries in
the EU and elsewhere.
The EU is as rich as the US.
Double digit unemployment, is that good, Raymond? Do you know what it is in
the US (and you probably ***** about it because you don't have a clue)? 5%
give or take a few tenths of a percent. And this is not an anomaly, they
have had it for decades.
Their double digit unemployment I am sure you
conveniently ignore.
Their much lower poverty rates you ignore.
Right, those unemployed people are living it up.
government creates monopolies by making the act of running a business
so
Kook.
That's it?
Yup. You're a kook.
Such ignorance is hard to find, Raymond. What rock did you crawl out?
That's the best you can do?
No.
Seems like it.
Irie
The heathen back there, pound the wall.
'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu
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The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give
it.
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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22 Sep 2005 09:51:00 PM |
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Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at
gunpoint,
i.e. taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is
it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social
conscience.
No it does not.
Why not? One of the earliest things a child learns and cries
over
is,
"That's not fair!" There is an inate sense of right and
wrong
in
all
of
us.
Because we are individuals with varying interests and
concerns.
Are
values may be quite similar, but our interests are not.
Would you wish to be helped if natural disaster wiped out
every
single
thing you owned? Everything, your neighbourhood, your home,
your
job?
I've prepared. I have insurance.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Did you investigate the finances of the insurance
company?
One of the best in the industry.
Not what I asked.
Read, then respond.
I asked whether YOU had investigated their finances. YOu didn't
answer. You parroted their marketing BS.
Do you think their history would include their finances?
History counts for nothing. More than one corporation has gone
bankrupt after years of success.
Yes, and you think that the government can prevent that?
FDIC
The FDIC can prevent companies from going bankrupt???
Nope. But like the FDIC, the government can ensure that insurance
companies maintain enough funds to pay expected claims.
I asked if you think the government can prevent bankruptcy, and you said the
Go away, kook.
So you depend upon the laws and government of society.
No, their proven history.
All of which has been governed by law and society.
No, very little is.
Obviously you know very little about how corporations are run.
You don't have a clue, Raymond.
"I know you are but what am I?"
I have proof,
You have nothing.
Enron, Tyco, Fen Fen, Vioxx, Hair Farming and so on. What was your proof
Naming corporations is no evidence that you have the first
understanding how they're run, kook.
"Free market" is meaningless crap. There isn't such a thing and you
should be damn glad that there isn't.
The free market did exist far more so in the first 150 years of US
history.
Robber barons. Monopolies.
The US going from nothing to the sole super power in the world.
The kook changes the subject.
Here's another clue, kook: The US did not become a superpower until
AFTER laws were put into place that made monopolies illegal and AFTER
the rise of unions.
Right, in 50 years.
Closer to 70.
Let's ignore the other 75% of our history.
When the US was a minor playing in worl politics.
That makes
sense, Raymond.
Which is why you don't like it, kook.
Yes. Capitalism tends to concentrate wealth leading to ever more
power in fewer hands and monopolies.
The US is the richest country in the world,
Non sequitur.
Are we not the richest country in the world?
Non sequitur.
and there is a reason for it.
Natural resources.
LOL, the Soviet Union had more natural resources and oil than anywhere in
the world. Why didn't your commie brethren make it, Raymond?
Why didn't your facist compatriots succeed in taking over the world,
kook?
Capitalism is the reason why.
Lots of nations have capitalism.
Name one.
Russia. Europe. Argentina. Japan.
For proof, see the socialized countries in
the EU and elsewhere.
The EU is as rich as the US.
Double digit unemployment,
Lower poverty.
Their double digit unemployment I am sure you
conveniently ignore.
Their much lower poverty rates you ignore.
Right, those unemployed people are living it up.
Keep denying the facts, kook.
government creates monopolies by making the act of running a business
so
Kook.
That's it?
Yup. You're a kook.
Such ignorance is hard to find, Raymond.
Not for you. Just look in the mirror.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Irie" |
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27 Sep 2005 04:40:45 PM |
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"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at
gunpoint,
i.e. taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is
it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social
conscience.
No it does not.
Why not? One of the earliest things a child learns and
cries
over
is,
"That's not fair!" There is an inate sense of right and
wrong
in
all
of
us.
Because we are individuals with varying interests and
concerns.
Are
values may be quite similar, but our interests are not.
Would you wish to be helped if natural disaster wiped out
every
single
thing you owned? Everything, your neighbourhood, your home,
your
job?
I've prepared. I have insurance.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Did you investigate the finances of the insurance
company?
One of the best in the industry.
Not what I asked.
Read, then respond.
I asked whether YOU had investigated their finances. YOu didn't
answer. You parroted their marketing BS.
Do you think their history would include their finances?
History counts for nothing. More than one corporation has gone
bankrupt after years of success.
Yes, and you think that the government can prevent that?
FDIC
The FDIC can prevent companies from going bankrupt???
Nope. But like the FDIC, the government can ensure that insurance
companies maintain enough funds to pay expected claims.
I asked if you think the government can prevent bankruptcy, and you said
the
Go away, kook.
Not even a very good dodge, Raymond. I will not go away, I actually enjoy
publicly humiliating you.
So you depend upon the laws and government of society.
No, their proven history.
All of which has been governed by law and society.
No, very little is.
Obviously you know very little about how corporations are run.
You don't have a clue, Raymond.
"I know you are but what am I?"
I have proof,
You have nothing.
Enron, Tyco, Fen Fen, Vioxx, Hair Farming and so on. What was your proof
Naming corporations is no evidence that you have the first
understanding how they're run, kook.
I know you have a problem both reading and comprehending, so I'll dumb this
down for you. This is not just a list of companies, it is a list of
companies you claim are well regulated and using that claim to show how they
laws work to prevent them from harming people. The list is proof that this
is not the case. Despite all the laws and regulations you advocate exist,
they do not work. I asked you for proof they did, and you dodge. You dodge
because you are wrong and you know it.
"Free market" is meaningless crap. There isn't such a thing and you
should be damn glad that there isn't.
The free market did exist far more so in the first 150 years of US
history.
Robber barons. Monopolies.
The US going from nothing to the sole super power in the world.
The kook changes the subject.
Here's another clue, kook: The US did not become a superpower until
AFTER laws were put into place that made monopolies illegal and AFTER
the rise of unions.
Right, in 50 years.
Closer to 70.
Okay, whatever.
Let's ignore the other 75% of our history.
When the US was a minor playing in worl politics.
I never said we were the sole super power then, Raymond.
That makes
sense, Raymond.
Which is why you don't like it, kook.
It's called sarcasm, Raymond. Look up the word and learn something.
Yes. Capitalism tends to concentrate wealth leading to ever more
power in fewer hands and monopolies.
The US is the richest country in the world,
Non sequitur.
Are we not the richest country in the world?
Non sequitur.
Dodge.
and there is a reason for it.
Natural resources.
LOL, the Soviet Union had more natural resources and oil than anywhere in
the world. Why didn't your commie brethren make it, Raymond?
Why didn't your facist compatriots succeed in taking over the world,
kook?
I am not a fascist. Do you know what the word means, Raymond? Let's look
it up:
fas·cism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fshzm)
n.
1.. often Fascism
1.. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a
dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition
through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent
nationalism and racism.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fascism
What you advocate is fascism. A centralized authority that regulates
society. I advocate the complete opposite, freedom. You, Raymond, are a
commie or fascist. Both of which are, in their essance, the same.
Capitalism is the reason why.
Lots of nations have capitalism.
Name one.
Russia. Europe. Argentina. Japan.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Okay, whatever. None of these countries (Europe is a
continent, BTW . . . what complete ignorance) are capitalist systems. They
are mixed economies, on the path to socialism.
For proof, see the socialized countries in
the EU and elsewhere.
The EU is as rich as the US.
Double digit unemployment,
Lower poverty.
Their double digit unemployment I am sure you
conveniently ignore.
Their much lower poverty rates you ignore.
Right, those unemployed people are living it up.
Keep denying the facts, kook.
Do they, or do they not have significantly higher unemployment rates,
Raymond?
government creates monopolies by making the act of running a business
so
Kook.
That's it?
Yup. You're a kook.
Such ignorance is hard to find, Raymond.
Not for you. Just look in the mirror.
Boy, aren't you witty.
Irie
The heathen back there, pound the wall.
'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu
--
The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give
it.
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957
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| User: "osprey" |
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20 Sep 2005 04:48:30 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
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"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at
gunpoint,
i.e. taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social conscience.
No it does not.
Why not? One of the earliest things a child learns and cries over
is,
"That's not fair!" There is an inate sense of right and wrong in
all
of
us.
Because we are individuals with varying interests and concerns.
Are
values may be quite similar, but our interests are not.
Would you wish to be helped if natural disaster wiped out every
single
thing you owned? Everything, your neighbourhood, your home, your
job?
I've prepared. I have insurance.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Did you investigate the finances of the insurance
company?
One of the best in the industry.
Not what I asked.
Read, then respond.
I asked whether YOU had investigated their finances. YOu didn't
answer. You parroted their marketing BS.
Do you think their history would include their finances?
History counts for nothing. More than one corporation has gone
bankrupt after years of success.
Did you depend upon society to make and enforce laws
ensuring that insurance companies were funded?
They do, and their history proves it.
So you depend upon the laws and government of society.
No, their proven history.
All of which has been governed by law and society.
No, very little is.
Obviously you know very little about how corporations are run.
Companies in a free market, for the most part, are
governed by the same free market.
Oh gack, another one of you right-wing morons who does nothing but
parrot idiot propaganda.
"Free market" is meaningless crap. There isn't such a thing and you
should be damn glad that there isn't.
Corporations are governed by a myriad of laws and regulations, and
especially insurance companies. Enforcement of contracts, securities
regulations, funding requirements, disclosure requirement, accounting
rules, the list goes on. All of it to ensure transparency and
accountability.
It is not perfect, but it far more
effective than any law.
Free markets lead to monopolies.
You just said above that there is no such a thing as Free market
Get your story straight.
Why wasn't the US government able to stop the
production of Vioxx, Fen Fen and antidepressants that make children commit
suicide, *before* they start killing people?
Because republicans like you want a FREE MARKET.
How can republicans want something you say there is no such thing of?
Go ahead and throw your insults Fischer, I just jumped in when I saw
your double talk.
Because they can't.
They most certainly can. The FDA has been restrained by corporate
interests.
How about
the present day snake oil sales men promising hair growth and herbal
supplements that get a man an erection?
"Free market".
Or better yet, why were then not
able to prevent Enron, Tyco and WorldCom?
"Free market".
Remember? You don't like government interference.
Who then would you depend upon?
Hard work and probably the charity of those who can afford it.
Probably. Nobody is independant. Everybody depends upon government
No, not everybody. Not me.
How do you pay for the coverage that your regulated insurance company
provides?
By writing a check to them every month.
A "check"? Using the highly regulated banking system and the money
that is wholly a government creation?
No government means no money.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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20 Sep 2005 11:59:38 AM |
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Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at
gunpoint,
i.e. taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social conscience.
No it does not.
Why not? One of the earliest things a child learns and cries over
is,
"That's not fair!" There is an inate sense of right and wrong in
all
of
us.
Because we are individuals with varying interests and concerns.
Are
values may be quite similar, but our interests are not.
Would you wish to be helped if natural disaster wiped out every
single
thing you owned? Everything, your neighbourhood, your home, your
job?
I've prepared. I have insurance.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Did you investigate the finances of the insurance
company?
One of the best in the industry.
Not what I asked.
Read, then respond.
I asked whether YOU had investigated their finances. YOu didn't
answer. You parroted their marketing BS.
Do you think their history would include their finances?
History counts for nothing. More than one corporation has gone
bankrupt after years of success.
Did you depend upon society to make and enforce laws
ensuring that insurance companies were funded?
They do, and their history proves it.
So you depend upon the laws and government of society.
No, their proven history.
All of which has been governed by law and society.
No, very little is.
Obviously you know very little about how corporations are run.
Companies in a free market, for the most part, are
governed by the same free market.
Oh gack, another one of you right-wing morons who does nothing but
parrot idiot propaganda.
"Free market" is meaningless crap. There isn't such a thing and you
should be damn glad that there isn't.
Corporations are governed by a myriad of laws and regulations, and
especially insurance companies. Enforcement of contracts, securities
regulations, funding requirements, disclosure requirement, accounting
rules, the list goes on. All of it to ensure transparency and
accountability.
It is not perfect, but it far more
effective than any law.
Free markets lead to monopolies.
You just said above that there is no such a thing as Free market
And there is the reason.
Get your story straight.
Try not to be such a blithinering idiot.
Why wasn't the US government able to stop the
production of Vioxx, Fen Fen and antidepressants that make children commit
suicide, *before* they start killing people?
Because republicans like you want a FREE MARKET.
How can republicans want something you say there is no such thing of?
Insanity.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
"Irie" <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote in message
"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at
gunpoint,
i.e. taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social
conscience.
No it does not.
Why not? One of the earliest things a child learns and cries
over
is,
"That's not fair!" There is an inate sense of right and wrong
in
all
of
us.
Because we are individuals with varying interests and
concerns.
Are
values may be quite similar, but our interests are not.
Would you wish to be helped if natural disaster wiped out every
single
thing you owned? Everything, your neighbourhood, your home,
your
job?
I've prepared. I have insurance.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Did you investigate the finances of the insurance
company?
One of the best in the industry.
Not what I asked.
Read, then respond.
I asked whether YOU had investigated their finances. YOu didn't
answer. You parroted their marketing BS.
Do you think their history would include their finances?
History counts for nothing. More than one corporation has gone
bankrupt after years of success.
Did you depend upon society to make and enforce laws
ensuring that insurance companies were funded?
They do, and their history proves it.
So you depend upon the laws and government of society.
No, their proven history.
All of which has been governed by law and society.
No, very little is.
Obviously you know very little about how corporations are run.
Companies in a free market, for the most part, are
governed by the same free market.
Oh gack, another one of you right-wing morons who does nothing but
parrot idiot propaganda.
"Free market" is meaningless crap. There isn't such a thing and you
should be damn glad that there isn't.
Corporations are governed by a myriad of laws and regulations, and
especially insurance companies. Enforcement of contracts, securities
regulations, funding requirements, disclosure requirement, accounting
rules, the list goes on. All of it to ensure transparency and
accountability.
It is not perfect, but it far more
effective than any law.
Free markets lead to monopolies.
You just said above that there is no such a thing as Free market
And there is the reason.
Yeah, and your going to keep it as your little-wittle secret, right Raymond?
Irie
The heathen back there, pound the wall.
'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu
--
The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give
it.
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957
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20 Sep 2005 12:25:32 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
"Irie" <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote in message
"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at
gunpoint,
i.e. taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social
conscience.
No it does not.
Why not? One of the earliest things a child learns and cries
over
is,
"That's not fair!" There is an inate sense of right and wrong
in
all
of
us.
Because we are individuals with varying interests and
concerns.
Are
values may be quite similar, but our interests are not.
Would you wish to be helped if natural disaster wiped out every
single
thing you owned? Everything, your neighbourhood, your home,
your
job?
I've prepared. I have insurance.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Did you investigate the finances of the insurance
company?
One of the best in the industry.
Not what I asked.
Read, then respond.
I asked whether YOU had investigated their finances. YOu didn't
answer. You parroted their marketing BS.
Do you think their history would include their finances?
History counts for nothing. More than one corporation has gone
bankrupt after years of success.
Did you depend upon society to make and enforce laws
ensuring that insurance companies were funded?
They do, and their history proves it.
So you depend upon the laws and government of society.
No, their proven history.
All of which has been governed by law and society.
No, very little is.
Obviously you know very little about how corporations are run.
Companies in a free market, for the most part, are
governed by the same free market.
Oh gack, another one of you right-wing morons who does nothing but
parrot idiot propaganda.
"Free market" is meaningless crap. There isn't such a thing and you
should be damn glad that there isn't.
Corporations are governed by a myriad of laws and regulations, and
especially insurance companies. Enforcement of contracts, securities
regulations, funding requirements, disclosure requirement, accounting
rules, the list goes on. All of it to ensure transparency and
accountability.
It is not perfect, but it far more
effective than any law.
Free markets lead to monopolies.
You just said above that there is no such a thing as Free market
And there is the reason.
How could you say there are no "Free Markets" and then say "Free Markets"
lead to monopolies.
Tell us Fischer..what's different between a monopoly and a oligopoly
Get your story straight.
Try not to be such a blithinering idiot.
You are the one contradicting yourself.
Why wasn't the US government able to stop the
production of Vioxx, Fen Fen and antidepressants that make children
commit
suicide, *before* they start killing people?
Because republicans like you want a FREE MARKET.
How can republicans want something you say there is no such thing of?
Insanity.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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20 Sep 2005 12:31:16 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dgl6dv$ak5$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
"Irie" <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote in message
"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at
gunpoint,
i.e. taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social
conscience.
No it does not.
Why not? One of the earliest things a child learns and cries
over
is,
"That's not fair!" There is an inate sense of right and wrong
in
all
of
us.
Because we are individuals with varying interests and
concerns.
Are
values may be quite similar, but our interests are not.
Would you wish to be helped if natural disaster wiped out every
single
thing you owned? Everything, your neighbourhood, your home,
your
job?
I've prepared. I have insurance.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Did you investigate the finances of the insurance
company?
One of the best in the industry.
Not what I asked.
Read, then respond.
I asked whether YOU had investigated their finances. YOu didn't
answer. You parroted their marketing BS.
Do you think their history would include their finances?
History counts for nothing. More than one corporation has gone
bankrupt after years of success.
Did you depend upon society to make and enforce laws
ensuring that insurance companies were funded?
They do, and their history proves it.
So you depend upon the laws and government of society.
No, their proven history.
All of which has been governed by law and society.
No, very little is.
Obviously you know very little about how corporations are run.
Companies in a free market, for the most part, are
governed by the same free market.
Oh gack, another one of you right-wing morons who does nothing but
parrot idiot propaganda.
"Free market" is meaningless crap. There isn't such a thing and you
should be damn glad that there isn't.
Corporations are governed by a myriad of laws and regulations, and
especially insurance companies. Enforcement of contracts, securities
regulations, funding requirements, disclosure requirement, accounting
rules, the list goes on. All of it to ensure transparency and
accountability.
It is not perfect, but it far more
effective than any law.
Free markets lead to monopolies.
You just said above that there is no such a thing as Free market
And there is the reason.
How could you say there are no "Free Markets" and then say "Free Markets"
lead to monopolies.
You have the intellectual abilities of a 10-year-old.
Tell us Fischer..what's different between a monopoly and a oligopoly
Look it up.
www.m-w.com
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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20 Sep 2005 12:35:38 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dgl6dv$ak5$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Irie <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote:
"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
"Irie" <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote in message
"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at
gunpoint,
i.e. taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is
it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social
conscience.
No it does not.
Why not? One of the earliest things a child learns and
cries
over
is,
"That's not fair!" There is an inate sense of right and
wrong
in
all
of
us.
Because we are individuals with varying interests and
concerns.
Are
values may be quite similar, but our interests are not.
Would you wish to be helped if natural disaster wiped out
every
single
thing you owned? Everything, your neighbourhood, your home,
your
job?
I've prepared. I have insurance.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Did you investigate the finances of the insurance
company?
One of the best in the industry.
Not what I asked.
Read, then respond.
I asked whether YOU had investigated their finances. YOu didn't
answer. You parroted their marketing BS.
Do you think their history would include their finances?
History counts for nothing. More than one corporation has gone
bankrupt after years of success.
Did you depend upon society to make and enforce laws
ensuring that insurance companies were funded?
They do, and their history proves it.
So you depend upon the laws and government of society.
No, their proven history.
All of which has been governed by law and society.
No, very little is.
Obviously you know very little about how corporations are run.
Companies in a free market, for the most part, are
governed by the same free market.
Oh gack, another one of you right-wing morons who does nothing but
parrot idiot propaganda.
"Free market" is meaningless crap. There isn't such a thing and you
should be damn glad that there isn't.
Corporations are governed by a myriad of laws and regulations, and
especially insurance companies. Enforcement of contracts, securities
regulations, funding requirements, disclosure requirement, accounting
rules, the list goes on. All of it to ensure transparency and
accountability.
It is not perfect, but it far more
effective than any law.
Free markets lead to monopolies.
You just said above that there is no such a thing as Free market
And there is the reason.
How could you say there are no "Free Markets" and then say "Free Markets"
lead to monopolies.
You have the intellectual abilities of a 10-year-old.
You are the one who said there is no such thing as "Free Market" and then
you make reference to "Free Market". Don't holler because you are stupid.
Tell us Fischer..what's different between a monopoly and a oligopoly
Look it up.
So you don't know, go figure...Fischer the expert doesn't know.
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08 Sep 2005 12:59:32 PM |
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Kel wrote:
"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote in message
Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at gunpoint, i.e.
taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social conscience.
Society is an illusion, it is the combined effects of some number of
individuals. Individuals can have a conscience, that is up to them.
Making all do the will of a fraction of all because the fraction
believes it is right is tyranny.
Freedom has a
price, that is responsibility. Many people don't want it and have never
had it.
Natural disasters happen. No-one is responsible for them. So it is in all
our interests to act collectively to help people in such circumstances lest
we one day, through no fault of our own, find ourselves similary afflicted.
Help should only be offered, it should never be forced when refused.
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| User: "Irie" |
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08 Sep 2005 07:46:26 PM |
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"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote in message
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Kel wrote:
"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote in message
Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at gunpoint, i.e.
taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social conscience.
Society is an illusion,
I completely disagree. We live in a society.
it is the combined effects of some number of individuals.
Yes, exactly. It *is* a number of individuals.
Individuals can have a conscience, that is up to them. Making all do the
will of a fraction of all because the fraction believes it is right is
tyranny.
Exactly.
Freedom has a
price, that is responsibility. Many people don't want it and have never
had it.
Natural disasters happen. No-one is responsible for them. So it is in all
our interests to act collectively to help people in such circumstances
lest we one day, through no fault of our own, find ourselves similary
afflicted.
Help should only be offered, it should never be forced when refused.
Amen.
Irie
The heathen back there, pound the wall.
'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu
--
The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give
it.
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957
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| User: "Kel" |
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09 Sep 2005 05:34:03 AM |
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"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote in message
news:1126202372.2ae9e25c21b39140c77d7c3391a99998@meganetnews2...
Kel wrote:
"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote in message
Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at gunpoint, i.e.
taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is it?
Yes it is. Society is capable of having a social conscience.
Society is an illusion,
Unless we are at war, I suppose. What do those young men and women offer
their lives to protect if not the society that they came from and it's
beliefs?
it is the combined effects of some number of
individuals.
Yes and those individuals collectively make society.
Individuals can have a conscience, that is up to them.
Making all do the will of a fraction of all because the fraction believes
it is right is tyranny.
Doing what the majority want, in this case helping people in distress, can
hardly be labelled tyranny. It would be carrying out the collective will of
the people.
Freedom has a
price, that is responsibility. Many people don't want it and have never
had it.
Natural disasters happen. No-one is responsible for them. So it is in all
our interests to act collectively to help people in such circumstances
lest we one day, through no fault of our own, find ourselves similary
afflicted.
Help should only be offered, it should never be forced when refused.
Well, I never saw any help being refused, all I could see where people
begging and crying for help.
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| User: "whome?" |
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09 Sep 2005 09:09:10 AM |
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Kel wrote:
Well, I never saw any help being refused, all I could see where people
begging and crying for help.
You should watch more carefully, there are thousands of people who want
to stay where they are and take care of themselves, you will now over
the next week or two see them forcibly disarmed or violently killed
maintaining their rights to property and their own lives over the
collective State's idea that they are the property of the collective and
have to do what they say at all times.
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10 Sep 2005 10:35:38 AM |
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"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote in message
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Kel wrote:
Well, I never saw any help being refused, all I could see where people
begging and crying for help.
You should watch more carefully, there are thousands of people who want to
stay where they are and take care of themselves, you will now over the
next week or two see them forcibly disarmed or violently killed
maintaining their rights to property and their own lives over the
collective State's idea that they are the property of the collective and
have to do what they say at all times.
I never saw those people refusing help before the storm hit. They were told
to get out, but those too poor were given no help.
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"whome?" <whome@beets.crib.com> wrote in message
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Kel wrote:
"Irie" <Irie@IrieEpistemology.com> wrote in message
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Just wanted to add the point that compassion is not compassion when it is
compulsory.
Some times help should be based on the need of the receiver rather than
the
compassion of the giver. Maybe we all need to realise that there IS such
a
thing as society. Natural disaster could befall any of us. "Do unto
others
as you would wish done to yourself". (I paraphrase, but you get the
point.)
Yes, but forcing someone to be thy brother's keeper (at gunpoint, i.e.
taxation), is hardly the act of a free society is it? Freedom has a
price, that is responsibility. Many people don't want it and have never
had it.
Word!
--
Irie
The heathen back there, pound the wall.
'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu
--
The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give
it.
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957
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What is happening in the Gulf Cost is a fucking disgrace.
Why are you calling nature a disgrace.
Hell junior, hurricanes happen, and have been for eons.
All the more inexcusable that we should not be
preparing for them.
But we have to the extent that we are capable of.
Garbage. Bush cut $40 million from New Orleans's budget that would
have specifically aided such an eventuality.
Why is the federal government giving money to New Orleans in the
first place?
Because it's under the sea level and needs special protection.
Your point? Why does the whole country have to subsidize the idiots
who
voluntarily live in a danger zone?
Have you offered them somewhere else to live? As you regard the place
the were born as a "voluntary" residence?
So how does that make every taxpaying American financially responsible
according to the constitution?
It's not the constitution that should make you feel obliged to help, it's
your humanity. If you're a republican I'll understand that this concept
will
be lost on you.
That's very bigoted of you. If you're a liberal, I'll understand that
is a very natural attitude of you. There, does that sound better? Why
are you such a bigot?
I know MANY republicans who are VERY generous and feel obliged to help
based on humanity. I also know MANY democrats who are the same way.
People are people, and more often than not, we help others when they
really need help. It's our nature and has nothing to do with what
political party you belong to.
However, since you wish to make a bigoted statement like that I would
hope you have some research to support your theory that republican's
don't want to help others based on humanity.
So, the floor is yours.
The Republican party does not believe that it is the function of "big
government" to step in where business and charity could do better. This has
led Bush to call for charities to help the people of New Orleans rather than
for the people of the US to realise that a NATIONAL disaster has befallen
your country and that the government must help all NATIONALS who are in
need, and not make them dependent on charity.
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07 Sep 2005 03:38:52 PM |
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"Kel" <ostermanuk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Kel wrote:
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What is happening in the Gulf Cost is a fucking disgrace.
Why are you calling nature a disgrace.
Hell junior, hurricanes happen, and have been for eons.
All the more inexcusable that we should not be
preparing for them.
But we have to the extent that we are capable of.
Garbage. Bush cut $40 million from New Orleans's budget that
would
have specifically aided such an eventuality.
Why is the federal government giving money to New Orleans in the
first place?
Because it's under the sea level and needs special protection.
Your point? Why does the whole country have to subsidize the idiots
who
voluntarily live in a danger zone?
Have you offered them somewhere else to live? As you regard the place
the were born as a "voluntary" residence?
So how does that make every taxpaying American financially responsible
according to the constitution?
It's not the constitution that should make you feel obliged to help,
it's
your humanity. If you're a republican I'll understand that this concept
will
be lost on you.
That's very bigoted of you. If you're a liberal, I'll understand that
is a very natural attitude of you. There, does that sound better? Why
are you such a bigot?
I know MANY republicans who are VERY generous and feel obliged to help
based on humanity. I also know MANY democrats who are the same way.
People are people, and more often than not, we help others when they
really need help. It's our nature and has nothing to do with what
political party you belong to.
However, since you wish to make a bigoted statement like that I would
hope you have some research to support your theory that republican's
don't want to help others based on humanity.
So, the floor is yours.
The Republican party does not believe that it is the function of "big
government" to step in where business and charity could do better.
How about a source please? Your opinion is too biased and you are showing
too much bigotry to just have your word taken for it.
Later, you can explain to me which part of Government is supposed to be in
the business of charity. Judicial? Executive? Legislative?
This has
led Bush to call for charities to help the people of New Orleans rather
than for the people of the US to realise that a NATIONAL disaster has
befallen your country and that the government must help all NATIONALS who
are in need, and not make them dependent on charity.
While I will agree with anyone who says our Government has failed in its
response to the latest disator to occur here in the U.S., I will not agree
that it is entirely just Bush.
I think that Government, both Federal and State has been caught with its
pants down. Much needs to be done, but frankly, I don't think our
Government was ever prepared.
I think it is very bigoted on your part though to generalize like you are
doing.
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What is happening in the Gulf Cost is a fucking disgrace.
Why are you calling nature a disgrace.
Hell junior, hurricanes happen, and have been for eons.
All the more inexcusable that we should not be
preparing for them.
But we have to the extent that we are capable of.
Garbage. Bush cut $40 million from New Orleans's budget that
would
have specifically aided such an eventuality.
Why is the federal government giving money to New Orleans in the
first place?
Because it's under the sea level and needs special protection.
Your point? Why does the whole country have to subsidize the idiots
who
voluntarily live in a danger zone?
Have you offered them somewhere else to live? As you regard the
place
the were born as a "voluntary" residence?
So how does that make every taxpaying American financially
responsible
according to the constitution?
It's not the constitution that should make you feel obliged to help,
it's
your humanity. If you're a republican I'll understand that this concept
will
be lost on you.
That's very bigoted of you. If you're a liberal, I'll understand that
is a very natural attitude of you. There, does that sound better? Why
are you such a bigot?
I know MANY republicans who are VERY generous and feel obliged to help
based on humanity. I also know MANY democrats who are the same way.
People are people, and more often than not, we help others when they
really need help. It's our nature and has nothing to do with what
political party you belong to.
However, since you wish to make a bigoted statement like that I would
hope you have some research to support your theory that republican's
don't want to help others based on humanity.
So, the floor is yours.
The Republican party does not believe that it is the function of "big
government" to step in where business and charity could do better.
How about a source please? Your opinion is too biased and you are showing
too much bigotry to just have your word taken for it.
"Almost without fail, when you ask an atypical Republican why he belongs to
that party, it's because he supports smaller government. Smaller government
is a mantra, a rallying cry, and a Holy Grail for Republicans."
http://www.wage-slave.org/20000831.smallgov.html
Later, you can explain to me which part of Government is supposed to be in
the business of charity. Judicial? Executive? Legislative?
This has
led Bush to call for charities to help the people of New Orleans rather
than for the people of the US to realise that a NATIONAL disaster has
befallen your country and that the government must help all NATIONALS
who are in need, and not make them dependent on charity.
While I will agree with anyone who says our Government has failed in its
response to the latest disator to occur here in the U.S., I will not agree
that it is entirely just Bush.
I don't think it was only Bush either. However, when it was clear that
things were going badly wrong and state officials were begging for help the
response was woefully slow.
I think that Government, both Federal and State has been caught with its
pants down. Much needs to be done, but frankly, I don't think our
Government was ever prepared.
I think it is very bigoted on your part though to generalize like you are
doing.
Hey, I've never claimed that I am not bigoted when it comes to Republicans
and you only have to listen to Limbaugh and O'Reilly to realise that they
are just as bigoted in return.
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| Title: Re: Okay, Time to Vent |
08 Sep 2005 07:49:42 PM |
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What is happening in the Gulf Cost is a fucking disgrace.
Why are you calling nature a disgrace.
Hell junior, hurricanes happen, and have been for eons.
All the more inexcusable that we should not be
preparing for them.
But we have to the extent that we are capable of.
Garbage. Bush cut $40 million from New Orleans's budget that
would
have specifically aided such an eventuality.
Why is the federal government giving money to New Orleans in the
first place?
Because it's under the sea level and needs special protection.
Your point? Why does the whole country have to subsidize the
idiots who
voluntarily live in a danger zone?
Have you offered them somewhere else to live? As you regard the
place
the were born as a "voluntary" residence?
So how does that make every taxpaying American financially
responsible
according to the constitution?
It's not the constitution that should make you feel obliged to help,
it's
your humanity. If you're a republican I'll understand that this
concept will
be lost on you.
That's very bigoted of you. If you're a liberal, I'll understand that
is a very natural attitude of you. There, does that sound better? Why
are you such a bigot?
I know MANY republicans who are VERY generous and feel obliged to help
based on humanity. I also know MANY democrats who are the same way.
People are people, and more often than not, we help others when they
really need help. It's our nature and has nothing to do with what
political party you belong to.
However, since you wish to make a bigoted statement like that I would
hope you have some research to support your theory that republican's
don't want to help others based on humanity.
So, the floor is yours.
The Republican party does not believe that it is the function of "big
government" to step in where business and charity could do better.
How about a source please? Your opinion is too biased and you are
showing too much bigotry to just have your word taken for it.
"Almost without fail, when you ask an atypical Republican why he belongs
to that party, it's because he supports smaller government. Smaller
government is a mantra, a rallying cry, and a Holy Grail for Republicans."
http://www.wage-slave.org/20000831.smallgov.html
Bush spends our money like there is no tomorrow. How do you explain that?
Later, you can explain to me which part of Government is supposed to be
in the business of charity. Judicial? Executive? Legislative?
This has
led Bush to call for charities to help the people of New Orleans rather
than for the people of the US to realise that a NATIONAL disaster has
befallen your country and that the government must help all NATIONALS
who are in need, and not make them dependent on charity.
While I will agree with anyone who says our Government has failed in its
response to the latest disator to occur here in the U.S., I will not
agree that it is entirely just Bush.
I don't think it was only Bush either. However, when it was clear that
things were going badly wrong and state officials were begging for help
the response was woefully slow.
I think that Government, both Federal and State has been caught with its
pants down. Much needs to be done, but frankly, I don't think our
Government was ever prepared.
I think it is very bigoted on your part though to generalize like you are
doing.
Hey, I've never claimed that I am not bigoted when it comes to Republicans
Nuf said.
and you only have to listen to Limbaugh and O'Reilly to realise that they
are just as bigoted in return.
Irie
The heathen back there, pound the wall.
'Without law or compulsion, people would dwell in harmony' - Lao Tzu
--
The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give
it.
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, 1957
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