Science > Abortion > Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: Re: OT - Pro-life...)
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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14 Nov 2004 02:47:09 PM |
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Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: Re: OT - Pro-life...) |
In article <ronaldinho_m-3D14EC.11581314112004@individual.net>,
Ron <ronaldinho_m@hotmail.com> posted:
In article <20041114092822.21909.00000690@mb-m06.aol.com>,
ovum@aol.comet (Ovum) wrote:
Interestingly, Exodus 21:22-25 calls the growth in the woman's body a child.
You've got to be really careful using the King James version for any
sort of semantic arguement. They repeatedly simplified the original
Hebrew, and were mandated to avoid complexity and ambiguity.
That being said, I have no idea what the original Hebrew is there.
Ask a pregnant woman who (or what) is inside her womb
and she's likely to answer "my baby" -- not "my fetus".
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
A previous post:
PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder
Today's news:
Peterson is found guilty of murder
Jury convicts him of killing his wife, Laci, and their
unborn son
The Associated Press
Saturday, November 13, 2004
Redwood City, Calif. - Scott Peterson was convicted
yesterday of murdering his pregnant wife and dumping her
body in San Francisco Bay.
Prosecutors in the made-for-cable-TV case had portrayed
it as a cold-blooded plot to escape marriage and
fatherhood for the bachelor life.
Peterson, 32, could get the death penalty. The former
fertilizer salesman was convicted of one count of first-
degree murder for killing his wife, Laci, and one count
of second-degree murder in the death of the son she was
carrying.
More at:
http://tinyurl.com/62dmf
Or,
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031779123278
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: Re: OT - Pro-life...) |
14 Nov 2004 02:55:06 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:47:09 GMT, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
in alt.abortion with message-id <mgW9X59BrNh5@lY528g9mlUiBTw> wrote:
In article <ronaldinho_m-3D14EC.11581314112004@individual.net>,
Ron <ronaldinho_m@hotmail.com> posted:
In article <20041114092822.21909.00000690@mb-m06.aol.com>,
ovum@aol.comet (Ovum) wrote:
Interestingly, Exodus 21:22-25 calls the growth in the woman's body a child.
You've got to be really careful using the King James version for any
sort of semantic arguement. They repeatedly simplified the original
Hebrew, and were mandated to avoid complexity and ambiguity.
That being said, I have no idea what the original Hebrew is there.
Ask a pregnant woman who (or what) is inside her womb
and she's likely to answer "my baby" -- not "my fetus".
Ask her whether it's a boy or a girl and she will have no idea unless
someone tells her. So much for your 'expert'.
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: Re: OT - Pro-life...) |
14 Nov 2004 03:41:11 PM |
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In article <dfhfp0tl7rus2u4e0nvk6q9966mq7k75c0@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <ronaldinho_m-3D14EC.11581314112004@individual.net>,
Ron <ronaldinho_m@hotmail.com> posted:
In article <20041114092822.21909.00000690@mb-m06.aol.com>,
ovum@aol.comet (Ovum) wrote:
Interestingly, Exodus 21:22-25 calls the growth in the woman's body a
child.
You've got to be really careful using the King James version for any
sort of semantic arguement. They repeatedly simplified the original
Hebrew, and were mandated to avoid complexity and ambiguity.
That being said, I have no idea what the original Hebrew is there.
Ask a pregnant woman who (or what) is inside her womb
and she's likely to answer "my baby" -- not "my fetus".
Ask her whether it's a boy or a girl and she will have no idea
unless someone tells her. So much for your 'expert'.
- Anonymous Coward Attila
Most mothers these days know the gender of their baby in the womb.
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Snoopy" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: |
23 Nov 2004 09:17:57 PM |
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Johnny Judas Jay "the jackass jyotishithead" Maharaj wrote:
Most mothers these days know the gender of their baby in the womb.
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Then why have you failed to highlight and criticize the female
infanticide and foeticide that goes on in India? Why have you failed to
criticize the religious texts which say that male children are to be
preferred over female children? Why have you totally ignored the *huge*
number of missing women in the general Indian population, estimated to
be as high as 100 million? You miserable apathetic jyotishithead murderer!
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: Re: OT - Pro-life...) |
14 Nov 2004 03:47:27 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:41:11 GMT, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
in alt.abortion with message-id <Svl1h49BJQK4@mL704Q2nHoASgh> wrote:
In article <dfhfp0tl7rus2u4e0nvk6q9966mq7k75c0@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <ronaldinho_m-3D14EC.11581314112004@individual.net>,
Ron <ronaldinho_m@hotmail.com> posted:
In article <20041114092822.21909.00000690@mb-m06.aol.com>,
ovum@aol.comet (Ovum) wrote:
Interestingly, Exodus 21:22-25 calls the growth in the woman's body a
child.
You've got to be really careful using the King James version for any
sort of semantic arguement. They repeatedly simplified the original
Hebrew, and were mandated to avoid complexity and ambiguity.
That being said, I have no idea what the original Hebrew is there.
Ask a pregnant woman who (or what) is inside her womb
and she's likely to answer "my baby" -- not "my fetus".
Ask her whether it's a boy or a girl and she will have no idea
unless someone tells her. So much for your 'expert'.
Most mothers these days know the gender of their baby in the womb.
There is no baby in the womb and no mother unless she has previously
given birth.
How does the pregnant woman know whether the fetus is male or female?
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: Re: OT - Pro-life...) |
14 Nov 2004 05:10:03 PM |
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In article <4fkfp0pvgv88b2uj5c8o7868bmkvddbkds@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
- Anonymous Coward Attila
At the same location where your right to live is found.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Snoopy" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: |
23 Nov 2004 09:17:59 PM |
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Johnny Judas Jay "the jackass jyotishithead" Maharaj wrote:
In article <4fkfp0pvgv88b2uj5c8o7868bmkvddbkds@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
- Anonymous Coward Attila
At the same location where your right to live is found.
So why is it your opinion that Indian Christians and Muslims have no
right to live, you miserable jyotishithead? You have exulted over the
murders and deaths of Muslims and Christians in India, and expressed
your desire to "cleanse" India of their presence. Why don't you
"cleanse" yourself right out of Hawaii, you hypocrite maggot jyotishithead?
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: Re: OT - Pro-life...) |
14 Nov 2004 06:01:03 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:10:03 GMT, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
in alt.abortion with message-id <KYs0w30FxDG7@vn380s7bZOEdcH> wrote:
In article <4fkfp0pvgv88b2uj5c8o7868bmkvddbkds@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
At the same location where your right to live is found.
And where is that? I must have asked at least a hundred times yet I
have never received an answer. Are you going to simply disappear like
the others I have asked?
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: Re: OT - Pro-life...) |
14 Nov 2004 06:13:24 PM |
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In article <vasfp0hhh2gsluuufqfesp25b7q8fnnsij@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <4fkfp0pvgv88b2uj5c8o7868bmkvddbkds@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
At the same location where your right to live is found.
And where is that? I must have asked at least a hundred times yet I
have never received an answer. Are you going to simply disappear like
the others I have asked? - Anonymous Coward Attila
Read the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Children, and
learn to do your own research.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: Re: OT - Pro-life...) |
14 Nov 2004 06:18:47 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:13:24 GMT, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
in alt.abortion with message-id <HHf1C47kXLH8@Qm456w2bHUARbT> wrote:
In article <vasfp0hhh2gsluuufqfesp25b7q8fnnsij@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <4fkfp0pvgv88b2uj5c8o7868bmkvddbkds@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
At the same location where your right to live is found.
And where is that? I must have asked at least a hundred times yet I
have never received an answer. Are you going to simply disappear like
the others I have asked? - Anonymous Coward Attila
Read the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Children, and
learn to do your own research.
Sorry. I live in the US which is ultimately governed by the
Constitution and not a UN document.
If I violate the terms of this (or any other) UN document who is going
to enforce it?
Nobody. It is not worth the paper it is printed on.
I am still waiting for a valid answer instead of another trash answer.
Is this where you declare victory and run away?
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF - A fetus is a person, killing him or her murder (Was: Re: OT - Pro-life...) |
14 Nov 2004 06:33:44 PM |
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In article <p8tfp0dv24oijm061634ecu4o936c3abfn@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <vasfp0hhh2gsluuufqfesp25b7q8fnnsij@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <4fkfp0pvgv88b2uj5c8o7868bmkvddbkds@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
At the same location where your right to live is found.
And where is that? I must have asked at least a hundred times yet I
have never received an answer. Are you going to simply disappear like
the others I have asked? - Anonymous Coward Attila
Read the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Children, and
learn to do your own research.
Sorry. I live in the US . . .
- Anonymous Coward Attila
The US is a UN-signatory.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Don Ocean" |
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14 Nov 2004 06:40:31 PM |
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
In article <p8tfp0dv24oijm061634ecu4o936c3abfn@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <vasfp0hhh2gsluuufqfesp25b7q8fnnsij@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <4fkfp0pvgv88b2uj5c8o7868bmkvddbkds@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
At the same location where your right to live is found.
And where is that? I must have asked at least a hundred times yet I
have never received an answer. Are you going to simply disappear like
the others I have asked? - Anonymous Coward Attila
Read the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Children, and
learn to do your own research.
Sorry. I live in the US . . .
- Anonymous Coward Attila
The US is a UN-signatory.
No signatory can preclude American rights and American laws.
In fact no American can give away those rights. Soooo
***** the UN and the horse it Rode in on!
Ummm? How soon are they going to move that corrupt organization
out of America? They can use the Oil for Food money that Annans
relative stole to make that move! And real Amercians love their babies.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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14 Nov 2004 06:46:05 PM |
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In article <2vqc35F2ot5ioU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Don Ocean <ocean@amerion.com> posted:
. . .
***** the UN and the horse it Rode in on!
Ummm? How soon are they going to move that corrupt
organization out of America? . . .
Why? The UN serves the purpose of western
countries quite well.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Attila" |
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14 Nov 2004 06:52:00 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:46:05 GMT, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
in alt.abortion with message-id <vFQ6S93nWLT2@xx562G2cKEUcRB> wrote:
In article <2vqc35F2ot5ioU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Don Ocean <ocean@amerion.com> posted:
. . .
***** the UN and the horse it Rode in on!
Ummm? How soon are they going to move that corrupt
organization out of America? . . .
Why? The UN serves the purpose of western
countries quite well.
Not everyone considers the US government subservient to the UN. That
organization has it's functions but it does not determine what is
legal or illegal in the US. Nor should it.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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14 Nov 2004 10:30:51 PM |
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
In article <p8tfp0dv24oijm061634ecu4o936c3abfn@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <vasfp0hhh2gsluuufqfesp25b7q8fnnsij@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <4fkfp0pvgv88b2uj5c8o7868bmkvddbkds@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
At the same location where your right to live is found.
And where is that? I must have asked at least a hundred times yet I
have never received an answer. Are you going to simply disappear like
the others I have asked? - Anonymous Coward Attila
Read the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Children, and
learn to do your own research.
Sorry. I live in the US . . .
- Anonymous Coward Attila
The US is a UN-signatory.
The U.N. has absolutely no authority over the United States, and never will.
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| User: "Attila" |
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14 Nov 2004 06:36:44 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:33:44 GMT, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
in alt.abortion with message-id <mhM2y31KrLy9@sP842D1qpUeZyR> wrote:
In article <p8tfp0dv24oijm061634ecu4o936c3abfn@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <vasfp0hhh2gsluuufqfesp25b7q8fnnsij@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <4fkfp0pvgv88b2uj5c8o7868bmkvddbkds@4ax.com>,
prochoice@here.now <Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
At the same location where your right to live is found.
And where is that? I must have asked at least a hundred times yet I
have never received an answer. Are you going to simply disappear like
the others I have asked? - Anonymous Coward Attila
Read the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Children, and
learn to do your own research.
Sorry. I live in the US . . .
- Anonymous Coward Attila
The US is a UN-signatory.
Fine. That does not make it a US law, and if I choose to ignore it
there is really nothing anyone can do about it since the UN has no
enforcement are or enforcement policy. It sounds good on paper but
that is all it is.
Since the only rights that exist are those that are recognized and
enforced under the law I ask again - exactly where can I find any
right to live? I would like to know if it allows me to demand a
kidney transplant if I need one to live.
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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14 Nov 2004 06:47:49 PM |
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In article <oaufp0dattusp8oqsqebelf3jiugq88q82@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <p8tfp0dv24oijm061634ecu4o936c3abfn@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <vasfp0hhh2gsluuufqfesp25b7q8fnnsij@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
In article <4fkfp0pvgv88b2uj5c8o7868bmkvddbkds@4ax.com>,
<Anonymous Coward Attila> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
A baby -- a child -- is a person and has the right to live.
Exactly where is this right to live found?
At the same location where your right to live is found.
And where is that? I must have asked at least a hundred times yet I
have never received an answer. Are you going to simply disappear like
the others I have asked? - Anonymous Coward Attila
Read the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Children, and
learn to do your own research.
Sorry. I live in the US . . .
- Anonymous Coward Attila
The US is a UN-signatory.
Fine. . . .
- Anonymous Coward Attila
Of course.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Attila" |
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14 Nov 2004 06:50:17 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:47:49 GMT, (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
in alt.abortion with message-id <HBK6V74mWSB7@HN110y0ZQiIvjg> wrote:
Exactly where is this right to live found?
At the same location where your right to live is found.
And where is that? I must have asked at least a hundred times yet I
have never received an answer. Are you going to simply disappear like
the others I have asked?
Read the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Children, and
learn to do your own research.
Sorry. I live in the US . . .
The US is a UN-signatory.
Fine. . . .
Of course.
I see you like to trim away what you don't like or can't answer.
I am reinstating my post, which contained points you still have not
answered.
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Fine. That does not make it a US law, and if I choose to ignore it
there is really nothing anyone can do about it since the UN has no
enforcement are or enforcement policy. It sounds good on paper but
that is all it is.
Since the only rights that exist are those that are recognized and
enforced under the law I ask again - exactly where can I find any
right to live? I would like to know if it allows me to demand a
kidney transplant if I need one to live.
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If you clip my post again or disappear without comment I can only
conclude you cannot provide the requested information and are thus in
error when you made your comment.
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14 Nov 2004 07:52:35 PM |
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Abortion debate becomes clearer as ultrasound images improve
By Zev Chafets
St. Paul Pioneer Press
Thursday, November 11, 2004
A few weeks ago, I went to lunch at a diner with Rick
Marino, a moral philosopher disguised as a home
renovation contractor.
The subject turned to pregnancy and ultrasound. A decade
ago, when I was having my last crop of kids, the pictures
came out fuzzy. The doctor would point — "These are the
fingers" or "There is the head" — and I'd nod. In truth,
I couldn't make much of the blurry images.
Today's ultrasound photos come in 3-D and color. At 18
weeks you can easily discern fingers and facial features.
At seven months, you have a fully recognizable human
baby. It's so clear that even a man can see it.
For a couple of hundred bucks, a pregnant woman can go to
the mall nowadays and have a picture taken of her baby.
Or even a video with a musical soundtrack.
Rick and I were marveling over this when we were
interrupted by the waitress. "You guys talking about
ultrasounds?" she asked. At first I missed the edge in
her voice.
"Amazing, aren't they?" I asked.
"They're going to be used against women," the waitress
snapped. She was obviously ready to sacrifice a tip to
make a point.
She was right, of course. Ultrasound images are already
changing the perception of abortion. Once, the idea of
fetal humanity was a matter of religious conviction. Now,
it is an observable fact. If you don't believe me, go to
Google Images on the Internet and type in: Ultrasound, 30
weeks.
The implications are both political and philosophical.
In the new Bush administration, abortion is going to
become the hottest of hot buttons. The president will
probably appoint three or four Supreme Court justices. At
the very least, a Bush-leaning court would probably
reverse previous rulings that outlaw a federal ban on
third-term abortion. Ultimately, Roe v. Wade itself may
be in danger.
Obviously this is a crisis for the abortion-rights
movement. It is also a problem for the Democrats. Most
Americans are already queasy about third-term abortions.
As ultrasound imagery improves, abortion-righters may
find themselves without significant support in their own
party.
Dogmatic orthodoxy on abortion is also a philosophical
problem for the left. In the great moral debates of our
time, they have rested their case on science, not blind
belief. Lately they have taken to calling themselves
"reality-based," in somewhat sneering contrast to
presumably simpleminded "faith-based" conservatives. The
problem is, this time they are on the wrong side of
science.
It is true that millions of opponents of abortion arrived
at their position without the need for photographic
evidence. They have always believed that human life
begins at conception. But there are millions of others,
neither reactionary nor religious, who have now concluded
— or are in the process of concluding — that at some
point, before birth, fetuses become babies, deserving of
protection.
Finding that point will be the crux of the coming debate.
If the abortion-rights movement wants the support of the
middle-aged, socially liberal guys in the diners of
America, it had better find a more convincing tone than
anger — and an argument that doesn't require us to deny,
on doctrinal grounds, the evidence of our own eyes.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/editorial/10148053.htm?1c
Posted on 11/11/2004 1:16:36 PM PST by Caleb1411
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. . .Dogmatic orthodoxy on abortion is also a
philosophical problem for the left. In the great moral
debates of our time, they have rested their case on
science, not blind belief. Lately they have taken to
calling themselves "reality-based," in somewhat sneering
contrast to presumably simpleminded "faith-based"
conservatives. The problem is, this time they are on the
wrong side of science.
It is true that millions of opponents of abortion arrived
at their position without the need for photographic
evidence. They have always believed that human life
begins at conception. But there are millions of others,
neither reactionary nor religious, who have now concluded
-- or are in the process of concluding -- that at some
point, before birth, fetuses become babies, deserving of
protection.
Posted on 11/11/2004 1:20:43 PM PST by Caleb1411
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worth a look
Googled ultrasound, 30 weeks
http://images.google.com/images?q=ultrasound%2C+30+weeks&hl=en
Posted on 11/11/2004 1:26:08 PM PST by Blueflag
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