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"Deuteros" |
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12 Dec 2005 08:12:59 PM |
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Re: Red states turning blue |
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
Democrats sure do like to complain but never offer any solutions.
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12 Dec 2005 08:52:30 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "R Sweeney" |
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13 Dec 2005 06:39:34 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
Is this one of those polls like the Kerry landslide election-day poll where
they asked mostly Democrats?
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| User: "KenStahl" |
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13 Dec 2005 11:49:02 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
--
Blogging at http://HexagonalPeg.blogspot.com
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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13 Dec 2005 04:00:04 PM |
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KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5LWdnVwlMMoSlALenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
You could only begin to restore this nation if you got rid of the
Democrats as well.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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13 Dec 2005 05:03:08 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5LWdnVwlMMoSlALenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
You could only begin to restore this nation if you got rid of the
Democrats as well.
After all, we can see how well anarchy has worked in places like
Somalia.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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13 Dec 2005 08:20:33 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnjvc$5gb$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5LWdnVwlMMoSlALenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of
Congress in 2006. And if the election were today, registered
voters would favor the Democrat in their congressional district
by 52 percent to 37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
You could only begin to restore this nation if you got rid of the
Democrats as well.
After all, we can see how well anarchy has worked in places like
Somalia.
Ray seems to think that the Republicans and the Democrats are the only two
political parties in the world.
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| User: "KenStahl" |
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13 Dec 2005 04:11:51 PM |
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Deuteros wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5LWdnVwlMMoSlALenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
You could only begin to restore this nation if you got rid of the
Democrats as well.
Only those that have sympathies for Republicans.
Face it, a third party will never successfully compete. The
system has to be fixed rather then disassembled.
--
Blogging at http://HexagonalPeg.blogspot.com
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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14 Dec 2005 12:50:03 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:11:51 -0600, KenStahl wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5LWdnVwlMMoSlALenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
You could only begin to restore this nation if you got rid of the
Democrats as well.
Only those that have sympathies for Republicans.
Face it, a third party will never successfully compete. The
system has to be fixed rather then disassembled.
Our present President is the beneficiary of what
was once a "third party".
Abraham Lincoln was the first President to be elected as a member
of the Republican Party.
gray
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| User: "KenStahl" |
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14 Dec 2005 07:31:46 AM |
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Gray Shockley wrote:
Our present President is the beneficiary of what
was once a "third party".
Abraham Lincoln was the first President to be elected as a member
of the Republican Party.
gray
That was a long time ago and much has changed since then.
For the most part the people who run on 3rd party tickets
generally represent fringe groups and really can't be taken
seriously. Witness the libertarian and green party
candidates whose poor showing in the last few elections can
only be considered an embarrassment for the nut cases that
urged them to run in the first place.
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Blogging at http://HexagonalPeg.blogspot.com
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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14 Dec 2005 08:34:10 AM |
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KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:BeydnQupC-Negz3eRVn-gw@comcast.com:
Gray Shockley wrote:
Our present President is the beneficiary of what
was once a "third party".
Abraham Lincoln was the first President to be elected as a member
of the Republican Party.
That was a long time ago and much has changed since then.
For the most part the people who run on 3rd party tickets
generally represent fringe groups and really can't be taken
seriously. Witness the libertarian and green party
candidates whose poor showing in the last few elections can
only be considered an embarrassment for the nut cases that
urged them to run in the first place.
Untrue. Recall that in 1992 Ross Perot received 19% of the vote in the
presidential election, and would have likely gotten more if he had he not
dropped out and then re-entered the race so soon prior to Election Day..
Perot even got more votes than Bush in Maine and more votes than Clinton in
Utah.
You're right that most third party candidates are kooky but politics can
change fast.
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13 Dec 2005 05:35:02 PM |
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Deuteros quoted someone else:
At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
You're smoking dope if you believe only two states are going to vote
Republican. I can name MANY states that just aren't about to vote for
a party that identifies itself as the party of gun control, gay
marriage, and reverse racial discrimination - starting with Alabama,
North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana,
and Tennessee.
No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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13 Dec 2005 07:55:31 PM |
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wrote:
Deuteros quoted someone else:
At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
You're smoking dope if you believe only two states are going to vote
Republican. I can name MANY states that just aren't about to vote for
a party that identifies itself as the party of gun control, gay
marriage, and reverse racial discrimination - starting with Alabama,
North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana,
and Tennessee.
You just named the inbred red neck states.
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| User: "KenStahl" |
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12 Dec 2005 09:46:33 PM |
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Deuteros wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
Democrats sure do like to complain but never offer any solutions.
I have a perfectly good solution. Ban the Republican party
and throw all Republican leaders in prison. that would solve
a lot of problems very quickly.
And you are wrong, the Democrats don't have a lower approval
rating then the Republicans. In fact, the approval for
Democrats have been steadily rising ever since January.
Hint: Watch what happens in the 2006 elections when a lot of
Republicans are thrown out of Congress.
--
Blogging at http://HexagonalPeg.blogspot.com
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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13 Dec 2005 10:19:27 AM |
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KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:Avadne6rlbuH2QPeRVn-qQ@comcast.com:
Deuteros wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
Democrats sure do like to complain but never offer any solutions.
I have a perfectly good solution. Ban the Republican party
and throw all Republican leaders in prison. that would solve
a lot of problems very quickly.
And you are wrong, the Democrats don't have a lower approval
rating then the Republicans. In fact, the approval for
Democrats have been steadily rising ever since January.
Hint: Watch what happens in the 2006 elections when a lot of
Republicans are thrown out of Congress.
The Democrats have been saying that for years with no results. The
Democrats are their own worst enemy. It's not as if the Republicans are a
formidable opponent, it's that the Democrats are so fucking stupid.
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| User: "osprey" |
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13 Dec 2005 12:00:21 AM |
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KenStahl wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
Democrats sure do like to complain but never offer any solutions.
I have a perfectly good solution. Ban the Republican party
and throw all Republican leaders in prison. that would solve
a lot of problems very quickly.
And you are wrong, the Democrats don't have a lower approval
rating then the Republicans. In fact, the approval for
Democrats have been steadily rising ever since January.
Hint: Watch what happens in the 2006 elections when a lot of
Republicans are thrown out of Congress.
Sounds like the same thing said in
1996
2000
2002
and
2004
And guess what didn't happen?
You know, the liberals are the worst enemy of the Democrats...it's not
the Republicans.
There are good Republicans and there are good Democrats, but I have yet
to meet a good liberal or a good right wing extremist.
American's will continue to vote for a balanced Government. Yes
Democrats will get control again one day, and Republicans will get
control again in the future. That's how it happens, goes back and
forth.
Maybe you will learn that one day.
But your comments, remind me of all the things liberals said in 96, 00,
02, and 04...and the predictions just didn't happen.
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13 Dec 2005 10:35:44 AM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
KenStahl wrote:
And you are wrong, the Democrats don't have a lower approval
rating then the Republicans. In fact, the approval for
Democrats have been steadily rising ever since January.
Hint: Watch what happens in the 2006 elections when a lot of
Republicans are thrown out of Congress.
Sounds like the same thing said in
1996
2000
2002
and
2004
By whom, *****? No, wait, lemmee guess: You're just lying again.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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13 Dec 2005 07:39:36 AM |
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osprey lied:
But
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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| User: "Gaia" |
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13 Dec 2005 01:48:38 AM |
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osprey wrote:
KenStahl wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
Democrats sure do like to complain but never offer any solutions.
I have a perfectly good solution. Ban the Republican party
and throw all Republican leaders in prison. that would solve
a lot of problems very quickly.
And you are wrong, the Democrats don't have a lower approval
rating then the Republicans. In fact, the approval for
Democrats have been steadily rising ever since January.
Hint: Watch what happens in the 2006 elections when a lot of
Republicans are thrown out of Congress.
Sounds like the same thing said in
1996
2000
2002
and
2004
And guess what didn't happen?
You know, the liberals are the worst enemy of the Democrats...it's not
the Republicans.
There are good Republicans and there are good Democrats, but I have yet
to meet a good liberal or a good right wing extremist.
American's will continue to vote for a balanced Government. Yes
Democrats will get control again one day, and Republicans will get
control again in the future. That's how it happens, goes back and
forth.
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even though
you're an ungrateful *****).
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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13 Dec 2005 10:23:00 AM |
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"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
news:1134460118.430544.228560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even though
you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with benefits.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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13 Dec 2005 10:40:02 AM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even though
you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government. If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
The 24-page study, "The Rising Tide Left Some Boats Behind,''
finds that high-wage workers have made big gains during the past
25 years, while paychecks at the low end actually bought less last
year than in 1979.
...
The report analyzed federal and state economic data from 1979
through 2004. It defined high-wage workers as those who now earn
$34.62 per hour -- more than 80 percent of all earners in the
region. Their pay rose 30.5 percent during this period, after
adjusting for inflation.
But during the same period, wage earners in the region at the
bottom of the scale who earned $11.50 per hour in 2004 -- more
than 20 percent of all earners in the region -- saw their
inflation-adjusted wages fall 4.6 percent, according to the
report.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/12/13/BUG5UG6VT61.DTL
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13 Dec 2005 10:48:10 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even though
you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn about basic
supply and demand.
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13 Dec 2005 11:02:41 AM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even though
you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
The important parts are regulated.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
And so another dumbshit neocon resorts to outright lying when the
facts won't agree with his cult.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth.
That's nothing more than obviously ***** propaganda designed to
convince suckers like you that CEO really do deserve tens of millions
of dollars for running companies into the ground.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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13 Dec 2005 03:56:45 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnmurh$dro$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even though
you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
The important parts are regulated.
Define "important parts".
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
Well, the government isn't regulating my salary so according to you I
should be dirt poor, which I am not, and making subsistence wages, which I
am not.
And so another dumbshit neocon resorts to outright lying when the
facts won't agree with his cult.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth.
That's nothing more than obviously ***** propaganda designed to
convince suckers like you that CEO really do deserve tens of millions
of dollars for running companies into the ground.
They get paid what is believed to be their fair market value. You seem to
be upset that your fair market value is apparently much lower than theirs.
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13 Dec 2005 04:47:03 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Everybody gets paid what they are worth.
That's nothing more than obviously ***** propaganda designed to
convince suckers like you that CEO really do deserve tens of millions
of dollars for running companies into the ground.
They get paid what is believed to be their fair market value.
LOL!
Crap. CEO salaries are determined by other CEOs.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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13 Dec 2005 05:35:41 PM |
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In article <dnnj17$4f4$1@bolt.sonic.net> writes:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Everybody gets paid what they are worth.
That's nothing more than obviously ***** propaganda designed to
convince suckers like you that CEO really do deserve tens of millions
of dollars for running companies into the ground.
They get paid what is believed to be their fair market value.
LOL!
Crap. CEO salaries are determined by other CEOs.
Which underscores the problems with the idea
of a free and unregulated market. Power concentrates,
and then immediately begins working to ensure
that the market will no longer remain free and
driven purely by merit.
-- cry
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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13 Dec 2005 08:10:11 PM |
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(Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dnnlsd$mag$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <dnnj17$4f4$1@bolt.sonic.net> writes:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Everybody gets paid what they are worth.
That's nothing more than obviously ***** propaganda designed to
convince suckers like you that CEO really do deserve tens of millions
of dollars for running companies into the ground.
They get paid what is believed to be their fair market value.
LOL!
Crap. CEO salaries are determined by other CEOs.
Which underscores the problems with the idea
of a free and unregulated market. Power concentrates,
and then immediately begins working to ensure
that the market will no longer remain free and
driven purely by merit.
Do you actually think that government regulation ensures the market is driven
by merit? The free market left to its own devices will reward those who have
a greater ability to produce. A company that tries to fight the market will
fail.
CEOs get paid on their ability to produce. A good CEO creates value greater
than his compensation. If he can't produce then he is fired. If he was hired
as a favor instead of his ability to produce then the company will suffer and
the company will be forced to replace him or go bankrupt. That is how the
market works and government regulation is not needed. If a company wants to
hire incompetent people then that is their choice and they will suffer at the
hands of the open market.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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13 Dec 2005 08:46:15 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
rfischer@sonic.net writes:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Everybody gets paid what they are worth.
That's nothing more than obviously ***** propaganda designed to
convince suckers like you that CEO really do deserve tens of millions
of dollars for running companies into the ground.
They get paid what is believed to be their fair market value.
LOL!
Crap. CEO salaries are determined by other CEOs.
Which underscores the problems with the idea
of a free and unregulated market. Power concentrates,
and then immediately begins working to ensure
that the market will no longer remain free and
driven purely by merit.
Do you actually think that government regulation ensures the market is driven
by merit? The free market left to its own devices will reward those who have
a greater ability to produce.
Nope. It rewards those who can eliminate competition.
CEOs get paid on their ability to produce.
The CEO of Calpine was recently fired because the company is near
bankruptcy. Over the past five-six years the stock has gone from $56
to $0.28. During that same period the CEO "earned" $50,000,000 and
will be paid another $5,000,000 in severance.
A good CEO creates value greater
than his compensation. If he can't produce then he is fired.
Unemployed and wealthy while the regular workers end up unemployed
and poor.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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14 Dec 2005 08:12:10 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dno11n$n88$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net writes:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Everybody gets paid what they are worth.
That's nothing more than obviously ***** propaganda designed to
convince suckers like you that CEO really do deserve tens of
millions of dollars for running companies into the ground.
They get paid what is believed to be their fair market value.
LOL!
Crap. CEO salaries are determined by other CEOs.
Which underscores the problems with the idea
of a free and unregulated market. Power concentrates,
and then immediately begins working to ensure
that the market will no longer remain free and
driven purely by merit.
Do you actually think that government regulation ensures the market is
driven by merit? The free market left to its own devices will reward
those who have a greater ability to produce.
Nope. It rewards those who can eliminate competition.
That's the nature of the game. New competition will always pop up. Unless
you prefer government run companies with no competition.
CEOs get paid on their ability to produce.
The CEO of Calpine was recently fired because the company is near
bankruptcy. Over the past five-six years the stock has gone from $56
to $0.28. During that same period the CEO "earned" $50,000,000 and
will be paid another $5,000,000 in severance.
The free market did it's job. That company hired an incompetent employee
and now is suffering for it. If the company decided to give a huge
severance package then that is their perogative.
A good CEO creates value greater than his compensation. If he can't
produce then he is fired.
Unemployed and wealthy while the regular workers end up unemployed
and poor.
Only if they are so stupid that they can't find another job.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
14 Dec 2005 11:33:08 AM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dno11n$n88$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net writes:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Everybody gets paid what they are worth.
That's nothing more than obviously ***** propaganda designed to
convince suckers like you that CEO really do deserve tens of
millions of dollars for running companies into the ground.
They get paid what is believed to be their fair market value.
LOL!
Crap. CEO salaries are determined by other CEOs.
Which underscores the problems with the idea
of a free and unregulated market. Power concentrates,
and then immediately begins working to ensure
that the market will no longer remain free and
driven purely by merit.
Do you actually think that government regulation ensures the market is
driven by merit? The free market left to its own devices will reward
those who have a greater ability to produce.
Nope. It rewards those who can eliminate competition.
That's the nature of the game.
Changing your story.
New competition will always pop up.
You should learn something about economics. In particular, learn
something about "cost of entry" and "economies of scale".
CEOs get paid on their ability to produce.
The CEO of Calpine was recently fired because the company is near
bankruptcy. Over the past five-six years the stock has gone from $56
to $0.28. During that same period the CEO "earned" $50,000,000 and
will be paid another $5,000,000 in severance.
The free market did it's job.
And so another right-wing moron can do nothing but parrot obviously
untrue propaganda.
Business as usual.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
13 Dec 2005 08:58:46 PM |
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In article <439f7f03$0$61254$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> writes:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dnnlsd$mag$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
In article <dnnj17$4f4$1@bolt.sonic.net> writes:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Everybody gets paid what they are worth.
That's nothing more than obviously ***** propaganda designed to
convince suckers like you that CEO really do deserve tens of millions
of dollars for running companies into the ground.
They get paid what is believed to be their fair market value.
LOL!
Crap. CEO salaries are determined by other CEOs.
Which underscores the problems with the idea
of a free and unregulated market. Power concentrates,
and then immediately begins working to ensure
that the market will no longer remain free and
driven purely by merit.
Do you actually think that government regulation ensures the market is driven
by merit? The free market left to its own devices will reward those who have
a greater ability to produce. A company that tries to fight the market will
fail.
And those which become sufficiently powerful can employ tactics having
nothing to do with basic market appeal to undermine this. A large
company which can afford to bleed a bit -- giving away its products
for free, for example, while small competitors have to charge
something like "fair market price" until such time as they
have hemmorhaged to death -- undermines this entirely.
I have not, as admitted elsewhere, taken any courses in economics...
but somehow even I recognize terms like "trust" and "monopoly"
and "robber baron capitalism". Hey, my own university, Duke,
was built with the proceeds from an outstanding example
of that last.
CEOs get paid on their ability to produce. A good CEO creates value greater
than his compensation. If he can't produce then he is fired.
Eventually. In the meantime, board members may sit around chummily
voting each humongeous major bonuses until such time as the entire
edifice collapses into bankruptcy, taking the workers' pension
funds and the stockholders investments with it. Don't tell
me you can't provide your own examples of this from the
last few years?
-- cary
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