On 8 Jun 2004 07:49:29 -0700,
"TerrG" <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> (GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote:
"TerryG" <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"TerryG" <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
TerryG <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"TerryG" <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Maybe if you were moral you wouldn't blame others because
they point out that you lie.
What was that word you used? MORAL??? What a joke. Here's a
question you can once again ignore. What is the source of your sense
of morality. He won't answer, folks, because he has no source. No
source, no morality. Not rocket science.
Ray has a brain. Which clearly is more than generally can be said
for you. And with a well-functioning brain means comes common sense.
Practicing the the Golden Rule is common sense. And if a person
practices *that* consistently, he IS moral.
Oh! You mean treat others as you would have them treat you.
Gee, I wonder how all those millions of aborted [non-sentient
reproductive-process entities] feel about the treatment then
received.
PRECISELY the same way that a BRICK would. Or as any of
the more than 1,000,000,000,000,000 living, human and unique
potential people (gametes) do, which are electively aborted every
day, worldwide -- by MEN.
Gee I thought you were a Christian.
I am. And as such, I **defend** millions of people from having
their well-being, rights, and future opportunities devastated by
hateful and abjectly-ignorant people like you. Jesus commanded His
followers to show love and compassion to our neighbors. I do. And
*you* DON'T. What does that make *you*?
And I guess you didn't notice that I used present tense: feel - not
felt. Let me know if I have to explain this to you.
CLUE, ignoramus. If ANY entity (reproductive-process entity or
person) FEELS something, than a **nanosecond** later, he or it FELT
it. Past tense. IF capable of feeling it in the first place. Which
reproductive-process entities, at the stages when they are aborted,
are NOT. (Red herrings, propaganda, lies, and nonsense in general is
ALL that you Anti-Choicers have going for you, though. **NO** FACTS.)
Nope! You didn't understand. And why should you? You're no
Christian.
Wrong. And I remind you that while the Bible says NOTHING
against abortion... appointed NO Gestapo ro enforce its precepts
against society in general... and is nebulous on homosexual behavior
(i.e., rules that are included in the same extinct dispensation as the
ones against fortune-telling, eating shrimp, and wearing mixed
fabrics... and the opinions of ONE disciple -- but NOT on the part
of Jesus) --- there is a COMMANDMENT against LYING.
Which you engage in regularly, as you did just now.
You see, true Christians believe in a life after death.
As do I.
Some spend eternity basking in the glory of our divine creator.
WHO, apparently in your eyes, doesn't even dererve capitalization
of the letters "D" and "C" when described that way...
You...well, let's let God decide what to do with you.
AND with you. And with everyone else on earth.
Eternal life includes knowing all truth.
Dew tell. And just WHERE is their any indication that we will
ever know the exact composition of all matter, from quarks on up,
in the most remote star in the farthest galaxy? If we were to know
ALL truth, we'd be God's equals, because then we'd know how to
do everything that He can do,
Just think. All those [reproductive-process-entities that] have
been aborted...
-- More than 1,000,000,000,000,000 per DAY, worldwide.
ALL human, unique, and LIVING **potential** people... about
99.9999999999% of which people like you hypocritically don't
give a flying rat's ***** about...
...and now know that you work every day of your life to ensure
there will be more like them having life on earth denied to them.
The Bible only ONCE ever defended a reproductive-process
entity. As PROPERTY. In a passage that **condoned** SLAVERY.
Ex. 21:20-25.
First off, the person being DEFENDED by those verses clearly is
the WOMAN. (There's no suggestion that her FETUS be removed
and evaluated for injuries, so that the appropriate penalties of "an
eye for an eye" or "a tooth for a tooth" can properly be imposed.)
Next -- I LOVE it when Anti-Choicers draw upon that passage,
because it would be hard to come up with one that could be used
as a BETTER example of just how UNlikely is is that the Bible would
go to the extent of defending z/e/fs! (For the sake of brevity, I'll
use only the NIV in my responses.) Here's why. Turn to the verses
IMMEDIATELY *before* the ones you cited, in the SAME passage:
Ex. 21:20-21...
20 -- If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the
slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished,
21 -- but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a
day or two, since the slave is his property.
Here we see the Bible treating:
A. An already-human being as mere PROPERTY.
B. It can be either a MALE or a FEMALE
C. There is NO penalty to the assailant if death doesn't occur.
D. If death DOES occur, the penalty is UNSPECIFIED.
So let's consider THIS scenario: A 13-year-old girl (or it could
be a boy) suddenly and inexplicably provokes the wrath of her owner,
who takes a rod and violently THRASHES her mercilessly to within a
millimeter of her life, and leaves her lying in a senseless and
unconscious bloody heap in the middle of a dusty road. She lies there
in abject agony, mixed with periods of unconsciousness, for two days
and nights. Then, 47 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds after the
beating, she manages to struggle to her feet and struggle off,
crippled and maimed, teeth broken off, arm broken, and with an
eye put out. The penalty to her owner for having inflicted such
horrendous, unconscionable and cruel damage? NONE!!
Or she DIES. What is her owner's penalty THEN? It's unspecified.
For all we know, it could be 3 lashes on the back of his hand by a
fellow slave owner, wielding a wet noodle.
Given all of this, the notion that the Bible would be concerned
with mere z/e/fs becomes totally LUDICROUS.
Now of course, this is where you come in and say, hey, I'm just
doing them a favor.
Ther you go, LYING again. One cannot do a FAVOR to
anyone who does not EXIST as a PERSON. But one can do
**huge** favors to actual people whose entire future quality of life
is being threatened by bigoted loons who seek to FORCE them to
gestate unwanted pregnancies to term, against their will. And THAT
favor is perfectly in line with Jesus'command that we show love and
compassion to our neighbors.
<Sheer bullcrap, ;is, and propaganda
flushed. Nothing of substance lost.>
And if you choose to immaturely restore it, even though what I
just said is true, then be sure to restore THIS paragraph WITH it...
in which I remind everyone of the roughly quadrillion-per-day
Stage-One-of-the-reproductive-process entitites (gametes) that
you IGNORE in all of this... DAILY, worldwide.
Which hypocrites like you look away from while whistling a tune,
and loathsomely seeking to trash women, their rights, their well-being,
and their future opportunities.
All based on your unproven opinion that human life doesn't begin
until birth.
Are you a pathological liar... profoundly stupid... or BOTH?
I have NEVER mad any such ludicrous claim. What I have OFTEN
done, though, is point out that ---
(1) Human lif is a self-sustaining CONTINUUM.
(2) ALL four stages of the human reproductive process are:
-- Unique
-- Human
-- LIVING
-- **Potential** People.
ALL of which is indisputably FACTUAL. **NO** opinion involved.
NOW... what about you loathsomely-hateful desire to see women who
have NO desire to continue a pregnancy being FORCED against their will
to gestate-to-term? Let's see you address THAT!
And THEN deal with your HYPOCRISY of attempting to do that to
3,000 U.S. cases per day, while IGNORING the 1,000,000,000,000,000
potential people aday that are being electively aborted, worldwide.
(You Anti-Choice bigots truly are America's National Laughingstock.
Followed very closely by the homophobic bigots. Which is logical,
since most of the people in BOTH of those groups of hateful socio-
paths are the SAME people.)
All based on your unproven opinion that human life doesn't begin
until birth.
(1) Human lif is a self-sustaining CONTINUUM.
(2) ALL four stages of the human reproductive process are:
-- Unique
-- Human
-- LIVING
-- **Potential** People.
ALL of which is indisputably FACTUAL. **NO** opinion involved.
BIRTH is the **end result** of an uninterrupted reproductive
process, in each case, when it happens.
How do all of those millions of children who die of hunger
every year feel about your life of luxury?
Oh I get it. Let's kill millions of babies in the US so starving
children in Africa can have a better life. Only the warped mind of a
left wing liberal could possibly think this way.
Only a hyperconservative, possibly-retarded, RRR-cullt-type
loon like **you** would be so IGNORANT as to not be able to tell
the obvious difference between mere, worthless-when-unwanted
reproductive-process entities, and PEOPLE. (Clue: ALL *people*
have been BORN.)
All based on your unproven opinion that human life doesn't begin
until birth.
LYING is about ALL you're any good at, isn't it?
<bullcrap-flush>
A well functioning brain you say? I don't think so.
One word too many.
Indeed!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
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INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
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ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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