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19 Sep 2003 02:36:12 PM |
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Re: RU-486 Death? |
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
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On September 19, 2003, the San Francisco Chronicle posted an
article by Julian Guthrie titled: "Pregnant Teen's Death Under
Investigation East Bay Woman Had Taken RU-486." Go to:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/09/19/BA258408.DTL&type=printable
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Excerpts:
"The Alameda County coroner's office is investigating the
case of an 18- year-old East Bay woman who died
Wednesday, days after reportedly taking the abortion
pill RU-486.
The victim's father told The Chronicle that his 18-year-
old daughter had gotten a prescription for RU-486 at a
Planned Parenthood office in Hayward on Sept. 10 to
end her seven-week pregnancy.
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Monty Patterson said his daughter Holly Patterson had
visited Planned Parenthood in Hayward last Wednesday
and on Saturday had begun taking drugs prescribed to
end her pregnancy. Patterson's daughter lived with him in
Livermore and did not tell him about the pregnancy, he said.
"On Sunday, she was crying and crying, and she told me
she was having cramps, that she had a bad period," said
Patterson, a home builder who said he had learned of the
pregnancy only hours before his daughter died.
Between Sunday and Wednesday, Holly Patterson was
bleeding severely, in acute pain and unable to walk, her
father said. Her boyfriend rushed her late Sunday to
Valley Care Medical Center in Pleasanton, Patterson said.
She was given painkillers and released, Patterson said.
"She went back into the hospital in the middle of the night
Wednesday, and she died at 2 p.m.," Patterson said. "The
doctor told me that she hadn't aborted all of the fetus, and
she had fragments left in her, and she had a massive syste-
mic infection and went into septic shock."
The Alameda County coroner's office confirmed it was
investigating Patterson's death and had not yet established
the cause of death. A coroner's spokesman said Patterson
had died at 1:53 p.m. at Valley Care Medical Center.
[...]
Last year, the Washington Times reported that the deaths
of two women who took RU-486 had prompted the
FDA to issue warning letters to physicians.
Three women who took RU-486 later suffered bleeding
caused by a ruptured ectopic pregnancy, the Washington
Times reported. One woman died from a hemorrhage.
Two other women suffered severe systemic bacterial
infections after taking the drugs, and one died.
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Papa Jack commented:
RU-486 has certainly not proved to be the "wonder drug"
which many Pro-Aborts dreamed of.
Clearly the abortion industry is still trying to demonstrate
the safety of the drug, and not always suceeding.
Clearly these pro-choicers/abortionist
have a serious problem on their hand now. What are they going to do? Wait
for more women to die?
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19 Sep 2003 04:58:57 PM |
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"Adam H." wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:35:51 -0400, prochoice@killspam.bigfoot.com.
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:08:09 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id <3F6B6210.8FC4B358@citlink.net> wrote:
Clearly the abortion industry is still trying to demonstrate
the safety of the drug, and not always suceeding.
Clearly these pro-choicers/abortionist
have a serious problem on their hand now. What are they going to do? Wait
for more women to die?
If the drug caused the death, then they should sue Danco and the FDA.
You don't sue the convenience store if you get cancer from the
cigarettes you bought there, you don't sue your mechanic if your
Firestone's blow out, and you don't sue your travel agent if your plane
crashes.
You can die from a reaction to aspirin. Should it be removed from sale?
I believe that Viagra has caused more deaths than RU-486. It's
certainly killed some people. Why isn't anybody agitating for that to
be recalled?
There are worse ways to die. ;-)
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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21 Sep 2003 10:37:36 AM |
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Chris Owens wrote:
Frank Dwyer wrote:
I believe that Viagra has caused more deaths than RU-486. It's
certainly killed some people. Why isn't anybody agitating for that to
be recalled?
There are worse ways to die. ;-)
Not even a little funny, Frank.
Oh gee, sorry if you're offended. This is usenet, sensitivity is not a
virtue here.
Men who die from the effects of
Viagra typically have a overwhelming cerebral event or cardiac
infarct. This is also what happens to most men who die during
sex. They do not go out in a 'blaze of glory', so to speak; but
in a massive, enormously painful spasm. And, just for a moment,
contemplate being the person who is with a man when this happens;
the trauma from having your sex partner die on you, literally, in
the throes of passion is enormous.
I'll say it again, there are worse ways to die.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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21 Sep 2003 01:08:03 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:13:57 -0400, Chris Owens <caowens@hotmail.com>
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Frank Dwyer wrote:
I believe that Viagra has caused more deaths than RU-486. It's
certainly killed some people. Why isn't anybody agitating for that to
be recalled?
There are worse ways to die. ;-)
Not even a little funny, Frank. Men who die from the effects of
Viagra typically have a overwhelming cerebral event or cardiac
infarct. This is also what happens to most men who die during
sex. They do not go out in a 'blaze of glory', so to speak; but
in a massive, enormously painful spasm. And, just for a moment,
contemplate being the person who is with a man when this happens;
the trauma from having your sex partner die on you, literally, in
the throes of passion is enormous.
Chris Owens
Sometimes they go out because their colour receptors get so screwed up
they can't tell if the traffic light is green or red.
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"I contend that we are both atheists.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the
other possible gods, you will understand why
I dismiss yours."
- Stephen Roberts
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| User: "osprey" |
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21 Sep 2003 04:27:18 AM |
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"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<pm8bb.301689$2x.88689@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>...
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
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If the drug caused the death, then they should sue Danco and the FDA.
Why should they sue Danco and the FDA? That's ridiculous. That's one
reason why drug costs are so high - the risk of being sued if something goes
wrong.
*No* drug is entirely free of risk and 100 percent safe, and people have no
right to sue simply because they are one of the few who gets hurt or even
killed unless some egregious mistake was made. The only basis for a suit
would be if this woman wasn't warned of the risks or wasn't given proper
follow-up instructions, or if she wasn't properly diagnosed the first time
she went to the emergency room.
Of course Danco *will* be named in the lawsuit, along with everyone involved
in the abortion *and* everyone at the hospital and the hospital itself, and
hey, why not the FDA too? You want as many and as deep pockets as possible
and hope one of them will settle out of court.
I believe they have the right to sue in this case, IF it can be proven
that the drug contributed to the death. If the FDA has given its
approval and Danco has withheld any possible warnings of risk, then
they are liable in my opinion.
First though, we have to find out if the drug is the cause of death
and go from there. We don't know all the details yet.
You are right, though, when you talk about the high cost of drugs. I
don't necessarily support a lot of law suits. I think probably the
vast majority are a waste of the courts time. Example: The suit
against McDonalds with the hot coffee. Talk about a waste.
However in this particular case, they may have a case. That is as I
said above, if they can link the death to the drug and prove that she
was not given a warning of the risk involved.
It just may be that we are finding out that there are certain risk for
certain people? We don't know.
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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29 Sep 2003 05:37:31 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Why should they sue Danco and the FDA? That's ridiculous. That's one
reason why drug costs are so high - the risk of being sued if something
goes
wrong.
The only basis for a suit
would be if this woman wasn't warned of the risks or wasn't given proper
follow-up instructions, or if she wasn't properly diagnosed the first
time
she went to the emergency room.
Of course Danco *will* be named in the lawsuit, along with everyone
involved
in the abortion *and* everyone at the hospital and the hospital itself,
and
hey, why not the FDA too? You want as many and as deep pockets as
possible
and hope one of them will settle out of court.
I believe they have the right to sue in this case, IF it can be proven
that the drug contributed to the death.
That's not likely, it seems:
'Women's health specialists said Tuesday that the mysterious death of an
East Bay teenager after she took the abortion pill RU-486 raises more
questions about the emergency treatment she received than the fundamental
safety of the medication.
'Seven weeks pregnant, Holly Patterson, 18, had sought treatment for severe
pain at ValleyCare Medical Center in Pleasanton on Sept. 14, after taking
the abortion pill she had been prescribed at a Planned Parenthood clinic.
She was sent home with painkillers only to return three days later to the
hospital, where she died.
'The young woman's father has said a doctor at the hospital told him she
died of massive systemic infection last Wednesday. The cause of death is
being investigated by the Alameda County coroner.'
Look at this:
'Monty Patterson said his daughter Holly Patterson had visited Planned
Parenthood in Hayward last Wednesday and on Saturday had begun taking drugs
prescribed to end her pregnancy. Patterson's daughter lived with him in
Livermore and did not tell him about the pregnancy, he said.
'"On Sunday, she was crying and crying, and she told me she was having
cramps, that she had a bad period," said Patterson, a home builder who said
he had learned of the pregnancy only hours before his daughter died.
'Between Sunday and Wednesday, Holly Patterson was bleeding severely, in
acute pain and unable to walk, her father said. Her boyfriend rushed her
late Sunday to Valley Care Medical Center in Pleasanton, Patterson said. She
was given painkillers and released, Patterson said.
'"She went back into the hospital in the middle of the night Wednesday, and
she died at 2 p.m.," Patterson said. "The doctor told me that she hadn't
aborted all of the fetus, and she had fragments left in her, and she had a
massive systemic infection and went into septic shock."
'He said he regretted his daughter couldn't tell him what she was going
through.
'"What I want to do now is tell parents to communicate with your children,"
he said. "Make sure they know you are there for them, no matter what. My
daughter wanted to keep this a secret. She suffered in silence."'
She was ashamed to tell her father that she was pregnant and that she'd had
an abortion. Okay. The question is, did she tell the hospital? Because IF
she did, as one of these stories points out, the treatment would be
extremely clear-cut and straightforward and would have saved her life.
Antibiotics, a D&C. That takes care of infection and bleeding. Pretty
simple.
So who, exactly, is to blame when a teenager is ashamed to tell the people
at a hospital emergency room that she has just had an abortion? Who has
stigmatized having an abortion? Who has turned it into a moral failure?
Why would a young woman be embarrassed to admit it even to a doctor? Who's
responsible for creating a climate where that is even possible?
It's true that even if she only went in with abdominal pain, didn't say
she'd been bleeding, even *denied* ever having had sexual intercourse, let
alone a pregnancy or abortion - given that she was an 18-year-old girl, I
don't understand why pregnancy/abortion wasn't automatically considered when
working her up, no matter *what* she said. If it wasn't, then I think the
hospital is in trouble. Because every nurse, every doctor, anyone who
spends any amount of time in a hospital has his or her own example of the
classic story of the woman who comes in with a tummy-ache, says she can't be
pregnant, must've been some bad food, she's still a virgin, canNOT be
pregnant, and gives birth the next day.
But what if she didn't tell the hospital, or denied it? What if they were
rushed and took her word for it? I guarantee you, if the hospital knew
she'd just had an abortion and followed through correctly on that, she would
be alive today.
'Cullins and other medical experts said protocols for treating women with
bleeding and pain in early pregnancy or after an abortion procedure are well
worked out and nearly always can spot the most dangerous situations in time
for effective treatment.
'If there is evidence of bacterial infection, for example, antibiotics are
generally given, and there are standard methods to determine when bleeding
becomes a problem.
'Dr. Richard Hausknecht, medical director for Danco Laboratories, the New
York company that distributes RU-486 in the United States, insisted that "a
pretty standard gynecologic evaluation" would ordinarily be enough to tell
if a woman's complaints needed more than a course of painkillers.
'But he said his information suggested that Patterson was not bleeding
heavily in the emergency room when she first arrived.
'"She was given pain medications and went home. Without knowing what they
did, how can I criticize it?" he said. "Under normal circumstances a patient
would have to be evaluated, have her vital signs taken, her temperature, a
pelvic exam, an evaluation of any bleeding. White blood cell count. Those
are standard things I would do."
'"Infections do occur with spontaneous abortions, and they occur with
induced medical abortions. They are very uncommon, and they can be managed
with antibiotics," he said.
'Hausknecht, who is also an associate clinical professor of OB/GYN at Mount
Sinai School of Medicine in New York, said that of 160,000 women in the
United States who took RU-486 through March 31 of this year, there were only
46 hospitalizations.'
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/09/24/BA182990.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/09/20/BA310011.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/09/19/BA258408.DTL
If the FDA has given its
approval and Danco has withheld any possible warnings of risk, then
they are liable in my opinion.
Well, Danco certainly has publicized all possible risks. That is what drug
companies do nowadays - list all the possible risks and complications, no
matter how remote or unlikely. That is one way of protecting themselves
against judgements. They've learned from the example of the tobacco
companies, who tried for years to cover up the risks. Now they can't say
enough about how risky and dangerous it is to smoke - no more lawsuits down
the line from cover-ups, anyway.
The Planned Parenthood clinic was using a protocol that's been tested
thousands of times, where the woman uses the second drug (Cytotec) vaginally
at home on her own, instead of orally in the clinic. Although pro-lifers
are trying to spin that as being the cause of death (PP's too cheap to do it
the "right way"), it isn't even remotely related. If the cause of death is
incomplete abortion, PP will be able to show that the abortion is *more*
likely to complete when Cytotec is used vaginally.
Here is a local opinion column that is probably more worth reading than
anything else:
'I don't know whether Holly Patterson's death could have been avoided if her
parents knew she had taken the RU-486 pill. Investigators are looking into
what went wrong. As parents, we hope they come up with something that
assures us what happened to Holly Patterson could not happen to us, but of
course it could. Horrible things happen. Pushing for stricter
parental-consent laws isn't the answer. All the laws in the world can't form
a bubble around our kids protecting them from all mayhem and mishap.
'When I look at Holly Patterson's picture, I think about how much is out of
our hands. The best we can do is tell our kids explicitly and repeatedly
what we think they should already know: We will love them no matter what. We
will always be on their side. Our children's strongest defense against a
dangerous world, I am coming to believe, is not our actual ability to save
them, but rather their trust that we'll kill ourselves trying.'
I know Holly Patterson's dad wouldn't want to hear this, but you can't put
all the moral blame on the hospital staff. Mistakes will always be made in
hospitals, even if they have all the facts. They will always be rushed.
There will always be times they cut corners. You need to advocate for
yourself and for your loved ones. You need to have the facts and be sure
they know all the history. Holly Patterson was in pain, bleeding, feverish,
probably incoherent the second time she went in. Someone needed to hammer
on the folks at the emergency room that this girl had just had an abortion
and couldn't be sent home with painkillers. If her boyfriend wasn't up to
it, maybe her dad would have been.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/09/28/BA130730.DTL
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21 Sep 2003 06:33:53 AM |
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On 21 Sep 2003 02:27:18 -0700, (osprey) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<8912d58d.0309210127.51ca399f@posting.google.com> wrote:
"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<pm8bb.301689$2x.88689@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>...
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:3F6B6210.8FC4B358@citlink.net...
If the drug caused the death, then they should sue Danco and the FDA.
Why should they sue Danco and the FDA? That's ridiculous. That's one
reason why drug costs are so high - the risk of being sued if something goes
wrong.
*No* drug is entirely free of risk and 100 percent safe, and people have no
right to sue simply because they are one of the few who gets hurt or even
killed unless some egregious mistake was made. The only basis for a suit
would be if this woman wasn't warned of the risks or wasn't given proper
follow-up instructions, or if she wasn't properly diagnosed the first time
she went to the emergency room.
Of course Danco *will* be named in the lawsuit, along with everyone involved
in the abortion *and* everyone at the hospital and the hospital itself, and
hey, why not the FDA too? You want as many and as deep pockets as possible
and hope one of them will settle out of court.
I believe they have the right to sue in this case, IF it can be proven
that the drug contributed to the death. If the FDA has given its
approval and Danco has withheld any possible warnings of risk, then
they are liable in my opinion.
First though, we have to find out if the drug is the cause of death
and go from there. We don't know all the details yet.
You are right, though, when you talk about the high cost of drugs. I
don't necessarily support a lot of law suits. I think probably the
vast majority are a waste of the courts time. Example: The suit
against McDonalds with the hot coffee. Talk about a waste.
However in this particular case, they may have a case. That is as I
said above, if they can link the death to the drug and prove that she
was not given a warning of the risk involved.
It just may be that we are finding out that there are certain risk for
certain people? We don't know.
It was proven beyond doubt a few years ago that aspirin has been killing
children ever since it first came on the market. Yet no lawsuits were
filed and I can still buy aspirin.
Reference: Reye's Syndrome
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21 Sep 2003 12:36:11 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net>
Of course Danco *will* be named in the lawsuit, along with everyone involved
in the abortion *and* everyone at the hospital and the hospital itself, and
hey, why not the FDA too? You want as many and as deep pockets as possible
and hope one of them will settle out of court.
I believe they have the right to sue in this case, IF it can be proven
that the drug contributed to the death.
Anybody can sue for anything. The legal hurdle they have is proving
negligence. With FDA-approved drugs that is next to impossible given
the volume of tests that need to be done before approval.
There is no guarantee from anybody that any drug you take cannot kill
you or cause you harm. They all can.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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21 Sep 2003 02:11:19 AM |
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M is for Malapert wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:3F6B6210.8FC4B358@citlink.net...
If the drug caused the death, then they should sue Danco and the FDA.
Why should they sue Danco and the FDA?
Manufacturer and approval for public consumption.
That's ridiculous. That's one
reason why drug costs are so high - the risk of being sued if something goes
wrong.
*No* drug is entirely free of risk and 100 percent safe, and people have no
right to sue simply because they are one of the few who gets hurt or even
killed unless some egregious mistake was made. The only basis for a suit
would be if this woman wasn't warned of the risks or wasn't given proper
follow-up instructions, or if she wasn't properly diagnosed the first time
she went to the emergency room.
Of course Danco *will* be named in the lawsuit, along with everyone involved
in the abortion *and* everyone at the hospital and the hospital itself, and
hey, why not the FDA too? You want as many and as deep pockets as possible
and hope one of them will settle out of court.
You're probably spot on with that. I'm not going to claim that a suit
would be justified (IF the drug had anything to do with the death), but
I will admit that were it my child, I'd almost certainly (try to) sue
the ***** out of them.
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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21 Sep 2003 04:49:48 AM |
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In article <3F6D4EFC.EC61B6FE@citlink.net>, says...
Of course Danco *will* be named in the lawsuit, along with everyone involved
in the abortion *and* everyone at the hospital and the hospital itself, and
hey, why not the FDA too? You want as many and as deep pockets as possible
and hope one of them will settle out of court.
You're probably spot on with that. I'm not going to claim that a suit
would be justified (IF the drug had anything to do with the death), but
I will admit that were it my child, I'd almost certainly (try to) sue
the ***** out of them.
Why would you, since you know perfectly well that *all* medical
treatments carry risks, as do not having treatment too?
In the case in question it seems that the parents (the father alone from
what I have seen - no mother apparently in the picture)of the pregnant
woman weren't even aware she was pregnant... why didn't she tell them
and ask them to help her decide what to do about her pregnancy?
Did the woman herself know what the odds were that there might be
complications/death? Did she know the corresponding odds for other
abortion techniques and the corresponding odds for continuation and
delivery?
When she went to the hospital, did she tell them what medical treatment
she had had over the past few days? Did she tell them that she had just
had an abortion and what method was used? Or did she present without
giving this obvious information? Given that women do from time to time
have particularly painful/heavy periods and sometimes attend casualty
departments then for help (and are often given some good painkillers and
sent home), what is the hospital supposed to have done wrong?
As for the gestation length, it seems that this occurred at about 5-9
weeks (depending how measured) which is towards the end of the approved
time in the US (though the approved window is somewhat longer in other
countries).
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http://www.feminist.org/research/report/73_RU486.htm
Popular in France, Obstacles to Use in U.K.
RU 486 continues to be used by women successfully in France, Great
Britain, and Sweden. In all three countries, the compound is distributed
by Roussel Uclaf.
In France, one-half of all abortions are performed with the RU 486
procedure. RU 486 can be used by French women up to 49 days of
pregnancy.
While RU 486 has been available in the United Kingdom for women until
the 63rd day of pregnancy since 1991, only 5% of abortions in the U.K.
are performed with the RU 486 procedure, according to Karen Newman of
International Planned Parenthood Federation. Newman referred to RU 486
as "the most under-marketed drug in the world."
RU 486 has not gained as much popularity in the U.K. as in France
because the health care system works against early abortion. For
example, women are required to obtain approval for an abortion from two
doctors. A slow referral system and waiting lists at clinics provide
another obstacle to early abortion. In addition, clinics are required to
provide an over-night bed for every woman, increasing the cost of the
procedure for clinics and patients.
U.S. Trials Conclude, Demand for Product High
Population Council President Margaret Catley-Carlson during the panel re
ported that her organization successfully had concluded mifepristone
trials involving 2100 women in the U.S. While data from the trials are
still being analyzed, women in the U.S. trials as well as in trials in
Cuba, India, China and Vietnam found the RU 486 procedure to be highly
acceptable to women.
The Population Council, which has received patent rights on mifepristone
from Roussel Uclaf, will submit an application for U.S. Food and Drug
Administration approval by the end of 1995. Once mifepristone receives
FDA approval, the Population Council and its chosen distributor will
evaluate marketing the compound in other countries, according to Catley-
Carlson.
A recently released study by the Kaiser Foundation showed that one-third
of ob/gyns who do not currently provide abortions would be willing to
prescribe RU 486 when it becomes available in the U.S.
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http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/pdf/abortion-your-questions-answered.pdf
[...]
Medical abortion up to 9 weeks:
The Abortion Pill is a safe alternative to surgical abortion, using 2
drugs to induce a miscarriage in early pregnancy.
This method requires a minimum of 2 visits to the centre.
You will not be eligible for this treatment if:
• you are over 35 and a smoker
• you are more than 9 weeks pregnant
• you suffer from any heart complaint, have a medical history of
asthma, diabetes or bronchitis or are taking steroids.
It is therefore very important that you give us full details of your
medical history.
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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19 Sep 2003 10:00:16 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:08:09 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net>
wrote:
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Clearly these pro-choicers/abortionist
have a serious problem on their hand now. What are they going to do? Wait
for more women to die?
If the drug caused the death, then they should sue Danco and the FDA.
You don't sue the convenience store if you get cancer from the
cigarettes you bought there, you don't sue your mechanic if your
Firestone's blow out, and you don't sue your travel agent if your plane
crashes.
How about the hospital that treated her days earlier and sent her home
with pain medication?
How about her parents for being so judgmental that she could not tell
them she was pregnant -- which forced her to seek an abortion?
How about waiting for the coroner's report on the actual cause of
death? The news story mentioned a *fetus*, which is well past the
stage of pregnancy where RU486 is supposed to be used. You cannot
hold others responsible if the girl was giving out wrong information.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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20 Sep 2003 12:20:30 AM |
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Paul Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:08:09 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net>
wrote:
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Clearly these pro-choicers/abortionist
have a serious problem on their hand now. What are they going to do? Wait
for more women to die?
If the drug caused the death, then they should sue Danco and the FDA.
You don't sue the convenience store if you get cancer from the
cigarettes you bought there, you don't sue your mechanic if your
Firestone's blow out, and you don't sue your travel agent if your plane
crashes.
How about the hospital that treated her days earlier and sent her home
with pain medication?
How about them?
How about her parents for being so judgmental that she could not tell
them she was pregnant -- which forced her to seek an abortion?
How about them?
How about waiting for the coroner's report on the actual cause of
death?
Did you skip the first 6 words of my post?
The news story mentioned a *fetus*, which is well past the
stage of pregnancy where RU486 is supposed to be used.
Very true, but I would suspect that the author of the piece would use
the term "fetus" at any stage of the pregnancy.
You cannot hold others responsible if the girl was giving out wrong
information.
Depends on the information.
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