In article <397sq1hbg98atrbcui93uape1nu9k0ujgn@4ax.com>,
says...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:23:03 +0000 (UTC),
Harvey __?__ <kiwi@ing.notin.aus>wrote:
Craig Chilton <
> wrote:
Harvey __?__ <kiwi@ing.notin.aus>wrote:
Craig Chilton <
> wrote:
Harvey __?__ <kiwi@ing.notin.aus>wrote:
Craig Chilton <
> wrote:
Harvey __?__ <kiwi@ing.notin.aus>wrote:
Craig Chilton <
> wrote:
[ ... ]
I've challenged you to disprove ANY point that I've made.
JUST like the moronic RRR cult lemmings here in America,
you have been totally unable to do that... and any reader
loking at this thread can see that in a heartbeat.
In this entire dialogue, you have NOT ONCE managed
to present ANY relevant fact that could defend your stance.
But you've got WHINING down pat.
Thus, you deserve to be made an Honorary RRR Cult
Lemming.
With all the attendant dishonor and disgrace that goes
with being so mindless and hateful a bigot.
I choose not to reply to your statements of 'fact' because it
is readily apparent, what your posts consists of.
It certainly is. Since the FACTS pertaining to the liberties I
defend (primarily the right of ALL girls and women faced with
unwanted pregnancy to have EASY and unfettered access to
the remedy of abortion, whenever that is their choice... and
across-the-board access by gays to EQUAL rights vis-a-vis
straights, in ALL regards) are immutable, all of my posts dealing
with those topics are 100% consistent. They all contain some
of the relevant facts that accomplish those FAIR-minded and
sensible goals, or opinions that are solidly *based* on those
relevant facts, or a combination of both.
This immediately defeats any and all arguments/rhetoric/
word-games/lies/disinformation/vacuous emotional appeals/
propaganda that is presented by the opponent, since ALL of
*those* ploys are specious and worthless when supported by
NO facts.
It would be different if any relevant facts were to EXIST that
the bigots could draw upon. But there is NO such thing as a
fact that can support their loathsome agendas against human/
civil rights and personal liberties, in the slightest. When it comes
to relevant facts, the bigots have NOTHING. Never have.
Never will.
Thus, they lose every single time they try to whine about
such things as abortion of same-sex marriage, whenever the
opponent has good command and marshalling of the relevant
facts that devastate those sociopathic agendas. Not just me.
ANY such egalitarian, sensible, and reasonably-intelligent
debate opponent.
The fact that any person would even DESIRE to deny those
harmless (and hugely-beneficial) rights to any person, or group
of people, accomplished nothing but to serve up to society yet
another example of RRR Cult/hyperconservative irrationality
and ignorance to ponder. As such continuing food for thought
helps society to move ever closer to the wonderful day when it
REJECTS those bigoted agendas with finality, and relegates
them to extinction. Where they can moulder forever right next
to the decaying bones of the agenda of the segregationists of
40+ years earlier.
You appear to be like a wild dog, salivating, or should I say
foaming at the mouth waiting to pounce upon me at the first
opportunity - ...
YOU, no. The agendas of mindlessness and hate that you
seem to defend, yes. It's not personal. The REAL enemy isn't
the bigot. It's their fetid agendas. As we saw happen with
millions of former segregationists, once the agenda had been
destroyed, most of them outgrew such childish hatefulness,
and became worthwhile members of society. So we can expect
it will be likewise for today's Anti-Choicers and homophobes.
...but you are not aware of the leash, or chain you are tied
to, that of your beliefs.
Egalitarians are bound by no leash. We are DEFENDERS
of personal liberties. WE have no problems with regard to all
of this. But the bigots -- who ultimately always lose, and who
are clueless -- have BIG problems.
How can a egalitarian be Christian? I don't think the two go
hand in hand.
If we were talking about the OLD Testament and its tenets and
precepts, you might have a point. E.g., Exodus 21:20-25, among
others, clearly condones **slavery**!
But Jesus made it clear in the NEW Testament that His followers
(i,e., actual Christians) should show love and compassion to their
neighbors.
So it is a heinous insult an slap in the face to Christ when any
person seeks to impose immense hardship upon any other person,
or group of people, by supporting loathsome agendas that are
designed to DEPRIVE them of vitally-important rights and personal
liberties.
Egalitarians are DEFENDERS of freedoms and rights, and are
people who do all that they can to ensure that ALL people have
EQUAL access to them.
Christianity and egalitarianism go together VERY well.
And what makes you think I'm a bigot?
In the process of defending people's rights, I cite things that
God has already said and done with respect to such matters, and
YOU whine that I'm speaking for God. If you weren't a bigot who
opposes the liberties that I defend, you'd probably have no desire
to nitpick that I'm supposedly speaking for God... but RATHER
you would be more willing to see that I'm providing strong evidence
BASED upon what God has said and done, as reasoning for my
defending the liberties... and *applaud* me for doing that.
Yeah well - I'd like to point out, that you are as much a bigot as I am.
And Christians are similarly bigots too. Believing they are so right
all of the time, with no buts... ifs... or... etc.
You cannot prove that you are right - and the way I prove myself is
through sensible argument - I know it is difficult to remain emotionless
about something you are passionate about, but heated emotions only make
an argument seem less sensible and reasonable.
It is alright for people to be doubtful of God and of all of what you
claim to be the word of God, etc etc.
You don't want to be led down the garden path, and find it is not the
journey you would like to be taken down.
And so - logic and sense is a safeguard, not to be fooled by mere words,
and rhetoric (with dogma thrown in).
I've heard all what you wrote, before - from others, and remain unfazed
and unconvinced by said words. I'm waiting for a light to go on inside
my head, which says "By jove! He's right after all" but no such light
of illumination is forthcoming.
I was waiting for sense and logic to flow through, but to no avail.
Thanks but no thanks for what you were trying to say and I'll close with...
"The Bible isn't really true". It is not the word of God, it never was.
It has always been the work of man, the history of the Bible shows this is so,
and not otherwise....
Harvey
So you have an *agenda*, my friend. And it has little or nothing
to do with being FAIR to all people.
I was only pointing out that your statements were not accurate
to the point of being unbelievable because you were speaking
on the behalf of God so much -- and of an all powerful, all know-
ing, etc etc God. Who in essence doesn't speak for himself
these days.
The things that He *already* has said -- long enough ago to
be scriptural -- is more than sufficient documentation for recog-
nizing that... in the NEW Testament at least... He advocated that
those who follow Jesus show love and compassion to their neigh-
bors. One does NOT do that by trying to relegate millions of them
to 2nd-class-citizen status.
Who said I was against personal libertities and personal beliefs.
Anyone can have any belief system, they wish to choose, believe
in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy too.
Supporting a person's right to have a personal belief system can
be MIGHTILY different from supporting or not supporting his/her
right to have easy and unfettered access to *other* legal rights.
I support the right of ALL girls and women who choose to do so,
to access the remedy of abortion. And the right of all gays NOT to
be subjected to discriminated against... and to be JUST as free to
marry their partners of choice as heterosexuals are. Gender is
TRIVIAL, and not worth whining about. Sensible people would be
supporting my stance. So if you oppose me in those regards, that
means you are a supporter of hateful discrimination by default, at
the very least.
It is when you publicly state what you say is true, and expect
others to believe you -- that someone else can say -- but sir, there
are inaccuracies in your statements and information.
Such AS...?
And they are ... ... ...
Well...??????
What have I ever said with respect to those topics that is
anything OTHER than accurate?
Instead of going for my jugular, you miss and are then are tied
up by your chain, as your chain throttles you. Your own motion
does this...
Know something? Besides bieng very obviously desperate,
you're funnier than hell.
Here's a question that NO bigot ever seems to be able to
answer:
...and I'd LOVE to see them TRY to answer it...
"What's IN it for YOU, to seek to deny private and
personal liberties that are 100% harmless, and absolutely
NONE of your business whatsoever, of complete strangers?
Are you *that* insecure in your own life, that you need to
try to somehow pseudo-"empower" yourself by making
such a complete horse's ***** and idiot of yourself? Because
that's what bigotry is, at bottom: a manifestation of abject
ignorance that accomplishes NOTHING worthwhile. An
agenda that is DEVOID of all possible aspects of social
significance. Agendas for losers, practiced BY losers.
Meantime I haven't done anything, anything at all.
Any time that a person lends any form of support to an
agenda that seeks to trample on the personal liberties of other
people, he/she HAS done something. Something sociopathic,
detestable, and stupid.
You may not like that analogy - but it'll show that analogies
can be useful.
Some analogy. One thing I discovered long ago, and which
seems to hold very consistently true, is that bigots tend to be very
analogy-challenged.
My views will be present in that book I'm preparing, and I'll
thank you for providing me with some incentive and reason,
to work on it, until it is finished.
I'll look forward to it. New joke books are always welcome,
and any book you would write on these issues would make
SOME degree of contribution to the laughingstock status of
the RRR Cultists.
Remember -- you have my permission to quote me ONLY
if the entire post is published, unaltered and uninterrupted.
And doing *that* will be self-destructive to the hateful agendas
you support, since there is no way you can ever present any
FACTS that could support your stance.
-- Craig Chilton <
>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
(And likewise where such bigots exist elsewhere in the
world, even though other parts of the planet are far
less infested with such losers.)
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