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10 Jul 2003 12:21:26 PM |
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Re: The left hates America |
"Dave Oldridge" <doldridgLEAVETHISOUT@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in news:Xns93B46DF0BBB39Z@
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Why do you think the Left blames America for every evil under the sun
and spreads this poison both at home and worldwide? For years,
liberals have encouraged hatred of America and lionized anyone who
abused our country, while demonizing those with the temerity to expose
what they were doing.
America is a great country. It has a great constitution. But there are
a lot of Americans who hate that constitution and they are by no means
all on the left wing.
You are right, they are not all on the left wing. I will be fair with you
on that. However, my observations, it appears that the majority are leftist
A few reasons why the Left hates America (and why they're wrong):
Liberals deliberately mischaracterize the American founding and the
history of slavery - and they're afraid of the truth about these
matters.
Slavery was a bad thing. Several of the founding fathers had moral
qualms about it, though the institution was widely practised by Europeans
abroad at the time. It was Quakers and religious Christians in the north
who opposed it most vigorously and their view finally became that of the
Republican Party, which stopped the expansion of slavery into the new
territories then opening up. Eventually this brought on the civil war,
as the federal government opposed the southern block of states in the new
territories.
American imperialism? Only the United States has given the world an
example of how to deal with conquered nations without resorting to
imperialist measures.
American imperialism has been more economic than military up to now.
America has also managed to infect Japan and Western Europe with this new
kind of imperialism. It will be interesting to see how that eventually
affects the balance of military power in the world. Today's sleeping
giant is the same one that some seers spoke of nearly a century ago.
Russia has resources, an educated populace and, if she ever figures out
the difference between capitalism and theft (a distinction not too clear
in the US these days but at least buffered by a body of law), she could
become a formidable part of the world's economy.
Canada will also increasingly show signs of independence from the
American marketplace upon which she depends for most of her trade (Canada
is the US's biggest trading partner--go figure what that makes the US to
Canada as a trading partner). That's simply the way of history. Canada
has been very underpopulated and much smaller as a market than the US.
This is slowly, but inevitably changing and as it does, Canada will show
more and more signs of independence as the needs of its own market become
a larger and larger factor.
This is not "prophecy" or some psychic prediction. It's just plain
economic common sense.
America must learn to adjust to these economic changes or feel the effect
of failure to do so.
Capitalism: The Left sees it as intrinsically evil - and this hatred
fuels a great deal of liberal anti-Americanism.
Actually, some of the most effective capitalists I've seen were marxists
who understood capitalism all too well. The problem with capitalism is
not the basic idea itself, it's that grey area between capitalism and
theft.
American women: Oppressed? This liberal myth founders on the truth:
women in the West are better off than anywhere else in the world.
This is not the best argument you could use. Are women treated worse
than men, better than men or the same. I would submit that there are
situations in our culture where all three of these things happen.
Civil rights "leaders" lie about the proportion of blacks in
front-line military service and other issues.
The military is one of the truly equal-opportunity employers around.
It's not surprising to see a more-than-proportional representation of
minorities working for such an employer. Try telling Colin Powell that
he was discriminated against in the military!
EXCELLENT POINT!!
Colin Powell, at least in my opinion, is probably one of the BEST success
stories for a black person that I can recall. He made it happen and he
didn't make excuses or look for someone to do it for him.
Often I get into debates, many times at work with inmates who are black, and
blame white man for their problems. Often they are bitter and they look to
blame others for their misfortunes, not recognizing that they are the ones
who did it to themselves.
Often I tell them, that if I can name one way that ANYONE can get out of the
poverty in which they lived, if they would recognize it and give up their
argument. And I can think of one way. Join the military.
It is by far the easiest way, and many have taken advantage of the military
to get OUT of poverty.
How does it work? Simple. All one has to do is simply have a H.S. diploma.
Join, get trained, learn a skill, get a college degree, get out, use the
skill and take advantage of the education the military provided.
Often, the return argument is "What if I don't want to join the military"?
That is easy to argue back by simply asking, "Do you want to get out or
not"?
In other words, don't be picky, take advantage and get out while you can.
This is a huge problem we see many American's having today. They want to be
picky, sit around and wait for someone to come along and give them a free
ride.
Colin Powell done just that. He joined, and got OUT of poverty.
My father, who is in my opinion, my personal hero, had only a 8th grade
education growing up. He came from a family that was living in poverty. He
actually ended up as a young teen, helping to support his family as many of
his brothers had to do. He was in trouble by the time he was a young teen
and faced going to jail. Back then, you were given a choice. Join the
military or go to jail. He chose to join the military. Sometimes I wish
that we would go back to offering that to young offenders.
It saved his life. He completed 21 years, retired as a E-8, then went on to
form his own business and was successful with it for over 20 years. He
didn't look for a hand out, he didn't take the easy way out, he took what he
had and made the most out of it. And myself, my sisters and brothers
learned a lot from him.
I too, joined the military in 1983 and I took advantage of the education
provided to me. Today, I am successful financially doing well, learned how
to invest, taking care of a family, kids are doing great. I thank the
military for the wonderful opportunity.
During my stay with the Air Force, I saw many young black men coming from
all areas. Many coming from inner cities, who with out the miltary didn't
really have a fair shot at getting out. They chose the military, learned a
skill, some went to college.
I have personally found that for the most part, a person who has served in
the military is a better leader, and has better communication skills with
others after he or she gets out. Often, you will find the person who served
is usually more prepared to step forward and accept challenges and lead.
The proportion is probably
correct. But it IS being misrepresented by the left.
[rest of diatribe deleted]
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: The left hates America |
10 Jul 2003 08:54:50 PM |
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridgLEAVETHISOUT@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridgLEAVETHISOUT@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in news:Xns93B46DF0BBB39Z@
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I have personally found that for the most part, a person who has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out. Often, you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from across a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF Auxliary. I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the best career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had a summer job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as long and as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with some very fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician served me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio operations as a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to maintain our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager upon graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge improvement in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership, management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision making.
I don't know anything about Canadian public service, however what you
described, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity for young Canadian's
Electronics' training, now there is a rewarding career!!
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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11 Jul 2003 10:14:00 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in
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I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager upon
graduation, served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a
huge improvement in our young adults in the future, especially in
leadership, management, organization, and most important, responsible
decision making.
I don't know anything about Canadian public service, however what you
described, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity for young Canadian's
Electronics' training, now there is a rewarding career!!
Well, it served me well. A lot of the young people who joined around the
same time as me went on to have full careers with the RCAF, but I opted
out to join the civil service as a radio operator after five years. If
the job had not been a conflict (both services would have wanted to draft
me if the balloon went up back in those cold war days), I could have
stayed in and gotten a promotion just for re-upping.
But yes, a couple of years of military service never hurt anyone.
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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| User: "Chris" |
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10 Jul 2003 11:48:26 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in news:Xns93B46DF0BBB39Z@
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I have personally found that for the most part, a person who has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out. Often, you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from across a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF Auxliary. I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had a summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as long and as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with some very fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician served me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio operations as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to maintain our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership, management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery; something
the liberals absolutely hate.
I don't know anything about Canadian public service, however what you
described, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity for young Canadian's
Electronics' training, now there is a rewarding career!!
.
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| User: "Didymos" |
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14 Jul 2003 07:09:37 PM |
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in news:Xns93B46DF0BBB39Z@
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I have personally found that for the most part, a person who has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out. Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from across a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had a summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as long and as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with some very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician served me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to maintain
our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership, management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Might I suggest that the punitive articles in the UCMJ (Uniform Code of
Military Justice) dealing with adultery have more to do with the impact of
adultery on war readiness, discipline, and morale than Christian notions of
purity? I might add that during the first two years of the Clinton
administration no substantial changes were made in these statutes of the
UCMJ. Seems to me that if these were truly "something the liberals
absolutely hate" the Clinton administration might have used that opportunity
to change. Just an observation from an old soldier who lived under that
UCMJ for about 30 years.
I don't know anything about Canadian public service, however what you
described, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity for young Canadian's
Electronics' training, now there is a rewarding career!!
.
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| User: "Chris" |
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14 Jul 2003 08:17:28 PM |
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in news:Xns93B46DF0BBB39Z@
65.32.1.7:
I have personally found that for the most part, a person who has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out. Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from across a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had a
summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as long and
as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with some very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician served
me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to maintain
our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge
improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership, management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Might I suggest that the punitive articles in the UCMJ (Uniform Code of
Military Justice) dealing with adultery have more to do with the impact of
adultery on war readiness, discipline, and morale than Christian notions
of
purity? I might add that during the first two years of the Clinton
administration no substantial changes were made in these statutes of the
UCMJ. Seems to me that if these were truly "something the liberals
absolutely hate" the Clinton administration might have used that
opportunity
to change. Just an observation from an old soldier who lived under that
UCMJ for about 30 years.
For what it's worth, no administration can change everything. They have a
limited time in which to choose those issues that are the most important to
them. I doubt that this issue is high on their agenda.
I don't know anything about Canadian public service, however what you
described, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity for young Canadian's
Electronics' training, now there is a rewarding career!!
.
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| User: "Didymos" |
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15 Jul 2003 03:52:11 PM |
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The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Might I suggest that the punitive articles in the UCMJ (Uniform Code of
Military Justice) dealing with adultery have more to do with the impact
of
adultery on war readiness, discipline, and morale than Christian notions
of
purity? I might add that during the first two years of the Clinton
administration no substantial changes were made in these statutes of the
UCMJ. Seems to me that if these were truly "something the liberals
absolutely hate" the Clinton administration might have used that
opportunity
to change. Just an observation from an old soldier who lived under that
UCMJ for about 30 years.
For what it's worth, no administration can change everything. They have a
limited time in which to choose those issues that are the most important
to
them. I doubt that this issue is high on their agenda.
True, but I think those punitive articles should remain violations of
military law not because of religous and moral sensibilities, but because
adultery within a military command can be extraordinarily destructive to the
war readiness of a unit. I think even the liberals in the Clinton
administration realized that war readiness was more important than what is
ordinarily viewed as private sexual conduct.
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| User: "Chris" |
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16 Jul 2003 03:41:03 AM |
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<snip for length >
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Might I suggest that the punitive articles in the UCMJ (Uniform Code
of
Military Justice) dealing with adultery have more to do with the
impact
of
adultery on war readiness, discipline, and morale than Christian
notions
of
purity? I might add that during the first two years of the Clinton
administration no substantial changes were made in these statutes of
the
UCMJ. Seems to me that if these were truly "something the liberals
absolutely hate" the Clinton administration might have used that
opportunity
to change. Just an observation from an old soldier who lived under
that
UCMJ for about 30 years.
For what it's worth, no administration can change everything. They have
a
limited time in which to choose those issues that are the most important
to
them. I doubt that this issue is high on their agenda.
True, but I think those punitive articles should remain violations of
military law not because of religous and moral sensibilities, but because
adultery within a military command can be extraordinarily destructive to
the
war readiness of a unit. I think even the liberals in the Clinton
administration realized that war readiness was more important than what is
ordinarily viewed as private sexual conduct.
Such standard applies ALSO to the janitor cleaning a restroom at a miltary
installation on U.S. soil. Tell me about such "war readiness".
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17 Jul 2003 02:29:18 PM |
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<snip for length >
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for
adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Might I suggest that the punitive articles in the UCMJ (Uniform
Code
of
Military Justice) dealing with adultery have more to do with the
impact
of
adultery on war readiness, discipline, and morale than Christian
notions
of
purity? I might add that during the first two years of the
Clinton
administration no substantial changes were made in these
statutes
of
the
UCMJ. Seems to me that if these were truly "something the
liberals
absolutely hate" the Clinton administration might have used that
opportunity
to change. Just an observation from an old soldier who lived
under
that
UCMJ for about 30 years.
For what it's worth, no administration can change everything. They
have
a
limited time in which to choose those issues that are the most
important
to
them. I doubt that this issue is high on their agenda.
True, but I think those punitive articles should remain violations
of
military law not because of religous and moral sensibilities, but
because
adultery within a military command can be extraordinarily
destructive
to
the
war readiness of a unit. I think even the liberals in the Clinton
administration realized that war readiness was more important than
what
is
ordinarily viewed as private sexual conduct.
Such standard applies ALSO to the janitor cleaning a restroom at a
miltary
installation on U.S. soil. Tell me about such "war readiness".
Do you believe just because a soldier is assigned to be a janitor that
that
has no impact on war readiness?
Nothing of any significance.
I suppose I made my point badly. Everything is connected to everything else
in the military. There is very little that is insignificant.
Not that I believe many are actually
assigned as full time janitors. Those janitorial functions deemed
necessary
are normally contracted to civilian firms. But yes, cleanliness is
vital
to
war readiness. Not the cleanliness taken to absurd degrees in basic
training, but teaching that attention to detail pays off when one gets
to
live in a series of self-dug holes for a few weeks. The anal-retentive
cleanliness taught in training and in a barracks or shipboard
environment
can keep dysentery away or limit the spread of hepatitis or keep your
water
supply drinkable or help make sure you weapon goes bang when you pull
the
trigger. Cleanliness is vital to war readiness. Do you think the 3rd
Infantry Division has many soldiers assigned as janitors just now? What
job
on a warship do you believe is menial and unimportant and unrelated to
war
readiness? What clerk in the Air Force supply complex do think is not
an
important part of the mission? Janitor is a lousy example, but I will
use
it in the following hypothetical situation.
Suppose you were in the same unit as this janitor. You are the same
rank.
You are both married. Your platoon commander decides to have sex with
the
soldier assigned as a janitor. Your commander and the person competing
for
promotion against you are having a sexual affair. You do not get
promoted.
The janitor does. Is that fair? How much confidence do you have in
your
platoon commmander? Will you obey her when she orders you to rush the
bunker while the janitor lays down covering fire?
He's not a janitor when he's covering fire.
Just like the 507th Maintenance Company was composed of mechanics and supply
specialists and a cook. But they received a sudden conversion to an
infantry MOS right fast, as I recall. These folks were still not infantry,
but they fought like infantry. And died like infantry. Those mechanics
were what? Ten percent or so of the total KIA in that phase of the war?
What is your performance
of duty going to be when you know that sexual relations impact
everything
that happens to you?
Suppose the grenadier on your fire team is screwing your wife. Do you
trust
that grenadier with your life? If you are screwing the wife of the
machine
gunner in your fire team, how much confidence can you have that he will
not
go "whoopsie, thought it was on safe" and put a burst in your back?
"War readiness" speaks of one's ability to fight in combat; it says
NOTHING
about their potential (which EVERYONE has) to kill their fellow soldiers.
No, I think the war readiness only involves potential to fight and win in a
given set of curcumstances. Soldiers who are treated fairly, or even who
merely believe they are being treated fairly have higher morale. Soldiers
with higher morale are better warriors. Soldiers with higher morale have
far fewer discipline problems. Soldiers who believe thay are being treated
fairly do not frag their superiors nor kill their comrades. DoD has a ton
of survey and performance data on that subject. Some of it might even be
unclassified. You might try and run some of it down.
Perhaps I have worded this badly. But adultery, and perhaps more
properly
including sexual fraternization, in a military context is a cancer in
the
small unit the offense occurs in. But then big units are only as good as
the
small units that make them up. I hope you understand. And every job in
the
military is important, especially with the budgets of the last 30 years
or
so. If you think the pay clerk isn't important, wait until you need
your
screwed up pay unscrewed so your wife on the other side of the world can
buy
groceries and diapers for your kids. I make exception for the bloated
high
level headquarters such as the Pentagon.
In the military, one surrenders certain rights enjoyed by civilians. In
return one gets herded about like livestock, receives lousy pay, travels
to
the armpits and assholes of the world, a small but early retirement,
pretty
good benefits, kept in the dark, fed *****, and gets the opportunity to
be
jailed for offences nonexistent in the civilian world. Kind of makes
you
wonder why anyone puts up with it, doesn't it?
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The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something the liberals absolutely hate.
I'm not sure WHAT the Canadian military had. The rules certainly never
stopped certain activities at the local drive-in theater. :-)
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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I have personally found that for the most part, a person who has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out. Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from across a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had a
summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as long and
as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with some very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician served
me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to maintain
our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge
improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership, management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Correct
And while military members are expected to be held to those standards, the
commander in chief is allowed to get away with it.
A thought that NEVER crossed my mind, but EXCELLENT point. But then again,
he's a liberal so it doesn't surprise me that he exmpted himself from the
rules.
I don't know anything about Canadian public service, however what you
described, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity for young Canadian's
Electronics' training, now there is a rewarding career!!
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I have personally found that for the most part, a person who has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out.
Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from across
a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF
Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had a
summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as long and
as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with some
very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in
Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician served
me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio
operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to
maintain
our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge
improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership,
management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Correct
And while military members are expected to be held to those standards,
the
commander in chief is allowed to get away with it.
A thought that NEVER crossed my mind, but EXCELLENT point. But then again,
he's a liberal so it doesn't surprise me that he exmpted himself from the
rules.
Which is part of what angered me the most with Clinton or any politician
that pulled the crap he pulled. Our constitution ensures us that no man is
above the law, yet Bill Clinton put himself above the law.
I don't know anything about Canadian public service, however what
you
described, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity for young
Canadian's
Electronics' training, now there is a rewarding career!!
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I have personally found that for the most part, a person who has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out.
Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from across
a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF
Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had a
summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as long and
as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with some
very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in
Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician served
me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio
operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to
maintain
our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge
improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership,
management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Correct
And while military members are expected to be held to those standards,
the
commander in chief is allowed to get away with it.
A thought that NEVER crossed my mind, but EXCELLENT point. But then again,
he's a liberal so it doesn't surprise me that he exmpted himself from the
rules.
Which is part of what angered me the most with Clinton or any politician
that pulled the crap he pulled. Our constitution ensures us that no man is
above the law, yet Bill Clinton put himself above the law.
What's the penalty for desertion, Bobby? Why aren't you asking that
Bush serve it?
Wait, it's because you love him so much you'll rewrite history for
him.
---
"The Church says the Earth is Flat,
But I know that it is Round,
For I have seen the Shadow on the Moon,
And I have more Faith in a Shadow
Than in the Church."
Ferdinand Magellan
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in
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I have personally found that for the most part, a person
who
has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out.
Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to
step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from
across
a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service
and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF
Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the
best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had
a
summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as
long
and
as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with
some
very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in
Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician
served
me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio
operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to
maintain
our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager
upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge
improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership,
management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Correct
And while military members are expected to be held to those
standards,
the
commander in chief is allowed to get away with it.
A thought that NEVER crossed my mind, but EXCELLENT point. But then
again,
he's a liberal so it doesn't surprise me that he exmpted himself from
the
rules.
Which is part of what angered me the most with Clinton or any
politician
that pulled the crap he pulled. Our constitution ensures us that no
man
is
above the law, yet Bill Clinton put himself above the law.
How did Clinton put himself above the law? The constitution calls for
impeachment by the House and trial by the full Senate presided over by the
Chief Justice. Seems to me that is precisely what happend to Clinton. Am
I
missing something here?
I believe you are responding to the statement of the poster TWO posts back
and not the one right before your post. The best way to avoid this, I find,
is to count the marks before each sentence. Each additional mark usually
indicates one more post back. If you already know this, then never mind.....
just trying to help. :)
What's the penalty for desertion, Bobby? Why aren't you asking that
Bush serve it?
Wait, it's because you love him so much you'll rewrite history for
him.
---
"The Church says the Earth is Flat,
But I know that it is Round,
For I have seen the Shadow on the Moon,
And I have more Faith in a Shadow
Than in the Church."
Ferdinand Magellan
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in
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I have personally found that for the most part, a person
who
has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets
out.
Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared
to
step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from
across
a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public
service
and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF
Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of
the
best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and
had
a
summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as
long
and
as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with
some
very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service
in
Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician
served
me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio
operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to
maintain
our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a
busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager
upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge
improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership,
management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision
making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for
adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Correct
And while military members are expected to be held to those
standards,
the
commander in chief is allowed to get away with it.
A thought that NEVER crossed my mind, but EXCELLENT point. But then
again,
he's a liberal so it doesn't surprise me that he exmpted himself
from
the
rules.
Which is part of what angered me the most with Clinton or any
politician
that pulled the crap he pulled. Our constitution ensures us that no
man
is
above the law, yet Bill Clinton put himself above the law.
How did Clinton put himself above the law? The constitution calls for
impeachment by the House and trial by the full Senate presided over by
the
Chief Justice. Seems to me that is precisely what happend to Clinton.
Am
I
missing something here?
I believe you are responding to the statement of the poster TWO posts back
and not the one right before your post. The best way to avoid this, I
find,
is to count the marks before each sentence. Each additional mark usually
indicates one more post back. If you already know this, then never
mind.....
just trying to help. :)
I screwed up. My sincere apologies.
What's the penalty for desertion, Bobby? Why aren't you asking that
Bush serve it?
Wait, it's because you love him so much you'll rewrite history for
him.
---
"The Church says the Earth is Flat,
But I know that it is Round,
For I have seen the Shadow on the Moon,
And I have more Faith in a Shadow
Than in the Church."
Ferdinand Magellan
.
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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| Title: Re: The left hates America |
15 Jul 2003 08:18:33 PM |
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in
news:Xns93B46DF0BBB39Z@
65.32.1.7:
I have personally found that for the most part, a person
who
has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out.
Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to
step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from
across
a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service
and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF
Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the
best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had
a
summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as
long
and
as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with
some
very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in
Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician
served
me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio
operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to
maintain
our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager
upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge
improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership,
management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Correct
And while military members are expected to be held to those
standards,
the
commander in chief is allowed to get away with it.
A thought that NEVER crossed my mind, but EXCELLENT point. But then
again,
he's a liberal so it doesn't surprise me that he exmpted himself from
the
rules.
Which is part of what angered me the most with Clinton or any
politician
that pulled the crap he pulled. Our constitution ensures us that no
man
is
above the law, yet Bill Clinton put himself above the law.
How did Clinton put himself above the law? The constitution calls for
impeachment by the House and trial by the full Senate presided over by the
Chief Justice. Seems to me that is precisely what happend to Clinton. Am
I
missing something here?
I believe you are responding to the statement of the poster TWO posts back
and not the one right before your post. The best way to avoid this, I find,
is to count the marks before each sentence. Each additional mark usually
indicates one more post back. If you already know this, then never mind.....
just trying to help. :)
Chris, do you realize that this problem is often caused by unmarked
deletions? Usually the confusion is unintentional, but we both know
that sometimes it is deliberate, don't we? Or have you forgotten all
about those little episodes of dishonesty?
What's the penalty for desertion, Bobby? Why aren't you asking that
Bush serve it?
Wait, it's because you love him so much you'll rewrite history for
him.
---
"The Church says the Earth is Flat,
But I know that it is Round,
For I have seen the Shadow on the Moon,
And I have more Faith in a Shadow
Than in the Church."
Ferdinand Magellan
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16 Jul 2003 03:07:27 AM |
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"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:04:10 -0700, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote:
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridgLEAVETHISOUT@hfx.eastlink.ca>
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in
news:Xns93B46DF0BBB39Z@
65.32.1.7:
I have personally found that for the most part, a person
who
has
served in the military is a better leader, and has
better
communication skills with others after he or she gets
out.
Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared
to
step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from
across
a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public
service
and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF
Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of
the
best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and
had
a
summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as
long
and
as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with
some
very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service
in
Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician
served
me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio
operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to
maintain
our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a
busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager
upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge
improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership,
management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision
making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for
adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Correct
And while military members are expected to be held to those
standards,
the
commander in chief is allowed to get away with it.
A thought that NEVER crossed my mind, but EXCELLENT point. But
then
again,
he's a liberal so it doesn't surprise me that he exmpted himself
from
the
rules.
Which is part of what angered me the most with Clinton or any
politician
that pulled the crap he pulled. Our constitution ensures us that no
man
is
above the law, yet Bill Clinton put himself above the law.
How did Clinton put himself above the law? The constitution calls for
impeachment by the House and trial by the full Senate presided over by
the
Chief Justice. Seems to me that is precisely what happend to Clinton.
Am
I
missing something here?
I believe you are responding to the statement of the poster TWO posts
back
and not the one right before your post. The best way to avoid this, I
find,
is to count the marks before each sentence. Each additional mark usually
indicates one more post back. If you already know this, then never
mind.....
just trying to help. :)
Chris, do you realize that this problem is often caused by unmarked
deletions? Usually the confusion is unintentional, but we both know
that sometimes it is deliberate, don't we? Or have you forgotten all
about those little episodes of dishonesty?
I doubt the other poster was dishonest. More likely it was just a simple
mistake. I make them too.
What's the penalty for desertion, Bobby? Why aren't you asking that
Bush serve it?
Wait, it's because you love him so much you'll rewrite history for
him.
---
"The Church says the Earth is Flat,
But I know that it is Round,
For I have seen the Shadow on the Moon,
And I have more Faith in a Shadow
Than in the Church."
Ferdinand Magellan
.
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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| Title: Re: The left hates America |
16 Jul 2003 08:26:35 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:07:27 -0700, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote:
"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:04:10 -0700, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote:
[snip...
Chris, do you realize that this problem is often caused by unmarked
deletions? Usually the confusion is unintentional, but we both know
that sometimes it is deliberate, don't we? Or have you forgotten all
about those little episodes of dishonesty?
I doubt the other poster was dishonest. More likely it was just a simple
mistake. I make them too.
I was referring specifically to Osprey starting his unmarked deletions
in the middle of a paragraph, totally distorting the meaning. Are you
so supportive of those who agree with you that you will defend such
blatant dishonesty?
[[snip...
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make obvious deletion for email
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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16 Jul 2003 08:43:27 PM |
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Lawrence E. McKnight <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.net>
wrote in news:jlubhvkir10p3n4fdeuldi6r2jpoj50eh2@4ax.com:
I was referring specifically to Osprey starting his unmarked
deletions in the middle of a paragraph, totally distorting the
meaning. Are you so supportive of those who agree with you
that you will defend such blatant dishonesty?
i don't believe chris will endorse coward bobby heishman's blatant
lies. i don't ebleive he'll be critical of them either.
have you seen chris take a stand on anything?
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| User: "Adam H. " |
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| Title: Re: The left hates America |
11 Jul 2003 10:52:50 AM |
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:17:38 -0700, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote:
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in news:Xns93B46DF0BBB39Z@
65.32.1.7:
I have personally found that for the most part, a person who has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out. Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from across a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had a
summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as long and
as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with some very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician served
me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to maintain
our
own equipment--my final test consisted, in part, of a busted
transmitter).
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
I am willing to bet, at least in America, if every teenager upon
graduation,
served at least 2 years in the military, we would see a huge
improvement
in
our young adults in the future, especially in leadership, management,
organization, and most important, responsible decision making.
The military actually has disciplinary requirements for adultery;
something
the liberals absolutely hate.
Correct
And while military members are expected to be held to those standards, the
commander in chief is allowed to get away with it.
A thought that NEVER crossed my mind, but EXCELLENT point. But then again,
he's a liberal so it doesn't surprise me that he exmpted himself from the
rules.
What's the penalty for desertion, Chris?
And why hasn't Dubya served it?
More to the point, why are you so willing to not only forgive his
desertion, but to try to rewrite history by denying that it even
happened?
---
"The Church says the Earth is Flat,
But I know that it is Round,
For I have seen the Shadow on the Moon,
And I have more Faith in a Shadow
Than in the Church."
Ferdinand Magellan
.
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: The left hates America |
12 Jul 2003 04:02:22 AM |
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"Adam H." < thisisnot@realaddress.com> wrote in message
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Omphalos <omphalos@frogbutt.com> wrote in
news:Xns93B46DF0BBB39Z@
65.32.1.7:
I have personally found that for the most part, a person who
has
served in the military is a better leader, and has better
communication skills with others after he or she gets out.
Often,
you
will find the person who served is usually more prepared to
step
forward and accept challenges and lead.
Of course, as a Canadian, I get to look at you people from across
a
border. That sometimes helps with the objectivity.
But the same thing occurs within the Canadian public service and
military. I was only 16 when I signed up to join the RCAF
Auxliary.
I
needed my parents' permission to join. But it was one of the
best
career
moves I ever made. I was taught a trade, discipline and had a
summer
job
full time and a part time job the rest of the year for as long
and
as
much as I wanted to participate. And I got to serve with some
very
fine
WWII veteran fighter pilots, most of whom also saw service in
Korea.
The electronics training I got as an instrument technician served
me
very well later in life when I took up professional radio
operations
as
a
career (this was back in the days when we were required to
maintain
our
own equipm | | | | | |
