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15 Aug 2005 02:38:49 PM |
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Re: TOBS:Evolution theory evolving? |
DanielSan wrote:
Yes. Morality is an artificial construct created by humans, used as a
certain way of acting, created by humans as a means to keep the race
advancing.
However Morals are subject to change, based on the need for the species
to survive. A true atheist and scientists cares not about morals.
If a few thousands preborn humans need to be cut up in the womb to cure
parkinson with stem cells so be it. There many fornicating youngster
out there. That will provide us with an unlimited supply.
Simple.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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15 Aug 2005 02:56:15 PM |
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On 15 Aug 2005 12:38:49 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124134728.943988.219110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Yes. Morality is an artificial construct created by humans, used as a
certain way of acting, created by humans as a means to keep the race
advancing.
However Morals are subject to change,
What is the moral way to treat your slaves?
based on the need for the species
to survive. A true atheist and scientists cares not about morals.
What nonsense. I can give you a list of famous "true" atheists and
scientists who have written on morals and acted on what they consider
morality. If I show you this list will you stop making false claims
about people? (You do know that many religions consider such lies
sins, don't you?)
[snip]
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Matt Silberstein
Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
Cliff on Cheers
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15 Aug 2005 04:09:53 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
However Morals are subject to change,
What is the moral way to treat your slaves?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
based on the need for the species
to survive. A true atheist and scientists cares not about morals.
What nonsense. I can give you a list of famous "true" atheists and
scientists who have written on morals and acted on what they consider
morality.
I belive you can, but then again every religion out there clain to be
the true religion.
If I show you this list will you stop making false claims
about people? (You do know that many religions consider such lies
sins, don't you?)
[snip]
I am functional atheist. It is ok to lie, if you have to survive. Bush
did it, and he consider himself to be doing the work of God.
--
Matt Silberstein
Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
Cliff on Cheers
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:Evolution theory evolving? |
15 Aug 2005 11:09:20 PM |
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On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
However Morals are subject to change,
What is the moral way to treat your slaves?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us how
to treat them.
based on the need for the species
to survive. A true atheist and scientists cares not about morals.
What nonsense. I can give you a list of famous "true" atheists and
scientists who have written on morals and acted on what they consider
morality.
I belive you can, but then again every religion out there clain to be
the true religion.
That is too silly for words. You were the one who made claims about
true, I used scare quotes. If you want to play Scotsman games go
ahead.
If I show you this list will you stop making false claims
about people? (You do know that many religions consider such lies
sins, don't you?)
[snip]
I am functional atheist. It is ok to lie, if you have to survive. Bush
did it, and he consider himself to be doing the work of God.
Whatever.
--
Matt Silberstein
And now our bodies are oh so close and tight
It never felt so good, it never felt so right
And we're glowing like the metal on the edge of a knife
C'mon! Hold on tight!
C'mon! Hold on tight!
Though it's cold and lonley in the deep dark night
I can see paradise by the dashboard light
Paradise by the dashboard light
Jim Steinman
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16 Aug 2005 04:46:56 AM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us how
to treat them.
Do you have any to sell?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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16 Aug 2005 07:07:42 AM |
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On 16 Aug 2005 02:46:56 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124185616.865349.213950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us how
to treat them.
Do you have any to sell?
If you want to ignore the issue go ahead. It won't make it go away.
--
Matt Silberstein
And now our bodies are oh so close and tight
It never felt so good, it never felt so right
And we're glowing like the metal on the edge of a knife
C'mon! Hold on tight!
C'mon! Hold on tight!
Though it's cold and lonley in the deep dark night
I can see paradise by the dashboard light
Paradise by the dashboard light
Jim Steinman
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| User: "Javriol" |
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16 Aug 2005 09:54:14 AM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 16 Aug 2005 02:46:56 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124185616.865349.213950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us how
to treat them.
Do you have any to sell?
If you want to ignore the issue go ahead. It won't make it go away.
The conversation is moot. There are no slaves today.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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16 Aug 2005 11:33:27 AM |
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On 16 Aug 2005 07:54:14 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Javriol"
<javriol@gmail.com> in
<1124204054.577127.92650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 16 Aug 2005 02:46:56 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124185616.865349.213950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us how
to treat them.
Do you have any to sell?
If you want to ignore the issue go ahead. It won't make it go away.
The conversation is moot. There are no slaves today.
Sure there are. But that does not make the conversation moot at all.
The question is whether or not moral change and I was trying to see if
the original poster agreed with the morality of treating slaves a
particular way.
Personally I don't understand this complaints about changing morality
and such. It smacks of so much arrogance. I am a limited being with
limited knowledge and understanding. My knowledge and understanding of
morality are also limited. Regardless of whether or not there are some
unchanging absolute moral rules, I have only this limited flaws
understanding to go on. All of us humans have only a limited and
flawed understanding. To stick to a rule simply because it was the
rule of the past and so must be moral strikes me as arrogant and
misguided. Human moral views can change while absolute moralist
remains unchanged. We could even be getting closer and closer to those
eternal moral rules.
--
Matt Silberstein
And now our bodies are oh so close and tight
It never felt so good, it never felt so right
And we're glowing like the metal on the edge of a knife
C'mon! Hold on tight!
C'mon! Hold on tight!
Though it's cold and lonley in the deep dark night
I can see paradise by the dashboard light
Paradise by the dashboard light
Jim Steinman
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| User: "John Baker" |
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16 Aug 2005 07:33:06 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:07:42 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 16 Aug 2005 02:46:56 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124185616.865349.213950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us how
to treat them.
Do you have any to sell?
If you want to ignore the issue go ahead. It won't make it go away.
It's Jabriol, Matt. What do you expect? <G>
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16 Aug 2005 08:30:53 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:33:06 GMT, in alt.atheism , John Baker
<nunya@bizniz.net> in <67n3g1dbuj097380q60j8cfu8irfrfusij@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:07:42 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 16 Aug 2005 02:46:56 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124185616.865349.213950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us how
to treat them.
Do you have any to sell?
If you want to ignore the issue go ahead. It won't make it go away.
It's Jabriol, Matt. What do you expect? <G>
Is it? I had no idea. If iksgorkon is you Jabriol, then why are you
making these odd claims about being an atheist? You don't promote
truth with lies. Nor do you do a good job as spreading the notion of
unchanging morality by using dishonesty. You really are not doing
yourself a favor here.
--
Matt Silberstein
And now our bodies are oh so close and tight
It never felt so good, it never felt so right
And we're glowing like the metal on the edge of a knife
C'mon! Hold on tight!
C'mon! Hold on tight!
Though it's cold and lonley in the deep dark night
I can see paradise by the dashboard light
Paradise by the dashboard light
Jim Steinman
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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16 Aug 2005 12:11:41 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:1hq3g1phqmh0j5uc3a9c35o88de05egm9l@4ax.com...
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:33:06 GMT, in alt.atheism , John Baker
<nunya@bizniz.net> in <67n3g1dbuj097380q60j8cfu8irfrfusij@4ax.com>
It's Jabriol, Matt. What do you expect? <G>
Is it? I had no idea. If iksgorkon is you Jabriol, then why are you
making these odd claims about being an atheist? You don't promote
truth with lies. Nor do you do a good job as spreading the notion of
unchanging morality by using dishonesty. You really are not doing
yourself a favor here.
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Weren't you warned that he's now changing his name and e-mail address every
few days to bypass everyone's killfile? No one was responding to him under
his old name (Jabriol) and old address.
--
CR.....
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not
based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."
~ Carl Sagan ~
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16 Aug 2005 09:58:27 AM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:33:06 GMT, in alt.atheism , John Baker
<nunya@bizniz.net> in <67n3g1dbuj097380q60j8cfu8irfrfusij@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:07:42 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 16 Aug 2005 02:46:56 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124185616.865349.213950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us how
to treat them.
Do you have any to sell?
If you want to ignore the issue go ahead. It won't make it go away.
It's Jabriol, Matt. What do you expect? <G>
Is it? I had no idea. If iksgorkon is you Jabriol,
If he is Jabriol. Carol has everyone believing that a whole host of
people is Jabriol.
So goes life on usenet.
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16 Aug 2005 11:29:20 AM |
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On 16 Aug 2005 07:58:27 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Javriol"
<javriol@gmail.com> in
<1124204307.804369.152820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:33:06 GMT, in alt.atheism , John Baker
<nunya@bizniz.net> in <67n3g1dbuj097380q60j8cfu8irfrfusij@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:07:42 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 16 Aug 2005 02:46:56 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124185616.865349.213950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us how
to treat them.
Do you have any to sell?
If you want to ignore the issue go ahead. It won't make it go away.
It's Jabriol, Matt. What do you expect? <G>
Is it? I had no idea. If iksgorkon is you Jabriol,
If he is Jabriol. Carol has everyone believing that a whole host of
people is Jabriol.
So goes life on usenet.
Which does not answer. Did you post that under the name iksgorkon? A
simple question. If not, then not.
--
Matt Silberstein
And now our bodies are oh so close and tight
It never felt so good, it never felt so right
And we're glowing like the metal on the edge of a knife
C'mon! Hold on tight!
C'mon! Hold on tight!
Though it's cold and lonley in the deep dark night
I can see paradise by the dashboard light
Paradise by the dashboard light
Jim Steinman
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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16 Aug 2005 12:18:38 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:m154g1piiadkljd5dqc6g8rpp33722lvcn@4ax.com...
On 16 Aug 2005 07:58:27 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Javriol"
<javriol@gmail.com> in
<1124204307.804369.152820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:33:06 GMT, in alt.atheism , John Baker
<nunya@bizniz.net> in <67n3g1dbuj097380q60j8cfu8irfrfusij@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:07:42 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 16 Aug 2005 02:46:56 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124185616.865349.213950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us
how
to treat them.
Do you have any to sell?
If you want to ignore the issue go ahead. It won't make it go away.
It's Jabriol, Matt. What do you expect? <G>
Is it? I had no idea. If iksgorkon is you Jabriol,
If he is Jabriol. Carol has everyone believing that a whole host of
people is Jabriol.
So goes life on usenet.
Which does not answer. Did you post that under the name iksgorkon? A
simple question. If not, then not.
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Yes he did - check the posting host: in properties. NNTP-Posting-Host:
65.145.40.2 = JABRIOL. Other names he's using are judgedred, usenethemogen,
javriol and a host of others to bypass everyone's killfile. Most are
@gmail.com accounts. He's trying to pretend Jabriol is gone and not posting
to Usenet anymore. He's even gone so far as to claim he's an atheist when
in fact he's a Jehovah's Witness and a creationist.
CR.........
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may
be happy.
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16 Aug 2005 12:54:46 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:18:38 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Cracklin'"
<c@c.c> in <43021891$0$16546$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:m154g1piiadkljd5dqc6g8rpp33722lvcn@4ax.com...
On 16 Aug 2005 07:58:27 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Javriol"
<javriol@gmail.com> in
<1124204307.804369.152820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:33:06 GMT, in alt.atheism , John Baker
<nunya@bizniz.net> in <67n3g1dbuj097380q60j8cfu8irfrfusij@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:07:42 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 16 Aug 2005 02:46:56 -0700, in alt.atheism , in
<1124185616.865349.213950@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
in
<1124140193.704336.171010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
?
I don't have any slaves. Do you?
Why not? Did the moral views change? The Bible certainly tells us
how
to treat them.
Do you have any to sell?
If you want to ignore the issue go ahead. It won't make it go away.
It's Jabriol, Matt. What do you expect? <G>
Is it? I had no idea. If iksgorkon is you Jabriol,
If he is Jabriol. Carol has everyone believing that a whole host of
people is Jabriol.
So goes life on usenet.
Which does not answer. Did you post that under the name iksgorkon? A
simple question. If not, then not.
=====================
Yes he did - check the posting host: in properties. NNTP-Posting-Host:
65.145.40.2 = JABRIOL. Other names he's using are judgedred, usenethemogen,
javriol and a host of others to bypass everyone's killfile. Most are
@gmail.com accounts. He's trying to pretend Jabriol is gone and not posting
to Usenet anymore. He's even gone so far as to claim he's an atheist when
in fact he's a Jehovah's Witness and a creationist.
I am in discussion with him right now as Jabriol. But, yes, the
posting host does strongly suggest that it is Jabs. And that he did
not deny it. It is really too bad that he is still doing this. We just
had what I considered a productive discussion regarding evolution.
Much more productive than any I have had with him in the past.
Oh well.
--
Matt Silberstein
And now our bodies are oh so close and tight
It never felt so good, it never felt so right
And we're glowing like the metal on the edge of a knife
C'mon! Hold on tight!
C'mon! Hold on tight!
Though it's cold and lonley in the deep dark night
I can see paradise by the dashboard light
Paradise by the dashboard light
Jim Steinman
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16 Aug 2005 01:56:51 PM |
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Wow, does Carol like to lie. Just in case any one wish to track this
address
Here is my posting host:
65.148.18.14
This why I don't bother answering who is who. It is a waste of time.
And the reason I modify Jabriol, is due to Carol forgeries as well as
her IP forgeries.
She has even posted child porn using my moniker.
oh well, Carol is proven a Liar again. I would suggest to Matt, to
google
"Cracklin' Emperor Maxx" and then he would know who forges who and for
what purpose.
Cracklin' wrote:
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Yes he did - check the posting host: in properties. NNTP-Posting-Host:
65.145.40.2 = JABRIOL. Other names he's using are judgedred, usenethemogen,
javriol and a host of others to bypass everyone's killfile. Most are
@gmail.com accounts. He's trying to pretend Jabriol is gone and not posting
to Usenet anymore. He's even gone so far as to claim he's an atheist when
in fact he's a Jehovah's Witness and a creationist.
CR.........
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may
be happy.
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16 Aug 2005 02:47:03 PM |
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On 16 Aug 2005 11:56:51 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Javriol"
<javriol@gmail.com> in
<1124218611.733612.156340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Wow, does Carol like to lie. Just in case any one wish to track this
address
Here is my posting host:
65.148.18.14
Not for this post I just responded to, where it is 65.145.48.168, and
not for your post of 16 Aug 2005 07:58:27 -0700, Message-ID:
<1124204307.804369.152820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, where you
posting host was 65.145.40.2.
This stuff is easy to see and easy to check. I don't much care about
Carol at all. But I enjoyed our recent reasonable discussion and it is
sad to see you doing this.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
And now our bodies are oh so close and tight
It never felt so good, it never felt so right
And we're glowing like the metal on the edge of a knife
C'mon! Hold on tight!
C'mon! Hold on tight!
Though it's cold and lonley in the deep dark night
I can see paradise by the dashboard light
Paradise by the dashboard light
Jim Steinman
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16 Aug 2005 08:33:52 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:ghg4g19ikqrj06bt508svbr1nbs358d508@4ax.com...
On 16 Aug 2005 11:56:51 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Javriol"
<javriol@gmail.com> in
<1124218611.733612.156340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Wow, does Carol like to lie. Just in case any one wish to track this
address
Here is my posting host:
65.148.18.14
Not for this post I just responded to, where it is 65.145.48.168, and
not for your post of 16 Aug 2005 07:58:27 -0700, Message-ID:
<1124204307.804369.152820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, where you
posting host was 65.145.40.2.
This stuff is easy to see and easy to check. I don't much care about
Carol at all. But I enjoyed our recent reasonable discussion and it is
sad to see you doing this.
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I just came across this message above somewhere. They're all the same
person:
NetRange: 63.152.0.0 - 63.159.255.255 - Jabriol
"Helper" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
news:XEXOS4C838580.9111111111@anonymous.poster...
Jabriol/Zod/javriol/iksgorkon/judgedred posts using Google
groups, but Google adds the NNTP posting
IP address of the computer that was used to post from. On
misc.legal Jabriol had 3 separate IP addresses
(dialed up 3 different times). They were:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.154.80.65
NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.154.80.30
NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.154.80.70
To track the ISP you cut and paste the offending IP address and trace
it through a service that looks it up.
Samspade is one of those services-
www.samspade.org
Put in the IP address and hit "do stuff"
The result for 63.154.80.65 is below:
Server Used: [ whois.arin.net ]
63.154.80.65 = [ 0-1pool80-65.nas15.jersey-city1.nj.us.da.qwest.net ]
OrgName: Qwest Communications
OrgID: QWDL
Address: 950 17th Street
Address: Suite 1900
City: Denver
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80202
Country: US
NetRange: 63.152.0.0 - 63.159.255.255
CIDR: 63.152.0.0/13
NetName: QWEST-2BLKS
NetHandle: NET-63-152-0-0-1
Parent: NET-63-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: DCA-ANS-01.INET.QWEST.NET
NameServer: SVL-ANS-01.INET.QWEST.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2000-07-12
Updated: 2000-08-23
TechHandle: QN-ARIN
TechName: NOC
TechPhone: 1-703-363-3001
TechEmail:
OrgAbuseHandle: QIA2-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Qwest IP Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: 1-877-886-6515
OrgAbuseEmail:
OrgNOCHandle: QIN-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Qwest IP NOC
OrgNOCPhone: 1-877-886-6515
OrgNOCEmail:
OrgTechHandle: QIA-ARIN
OrgTechName: Qwest IP Admin
OrgTechPhone: 1-877-886-6515
OrgTechEmail:
The top part shows where the IP address resolved to, in this case it
was: 0-1pool80-65.nas15.jersey-city1.nj.us.da.qwest.net
Which indicates it's a dial-up modem pool in Jersey City, New Jersey.
The owner of that POP (point of presence) is Qwest Communications.
Now, this is not nessecarily the ISP of who you want to find. Many
ISP's have agreements with other ISP's allowing dial-in access for
their customers that may be traveling, for instance. But, since the
alleged abuse originated at this access point, Qwest Communications
would be the ones to get any complaints. It's important to note the
exact time of the incident by forwarding complete headers, that way
they can go back to the log and see who was connected to the specific
port at that time. They can find out the user name and caller ID of
whomever was connected.
Hope this helps
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16 Aug 2005 08:42:21 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:33:52 -0500, "Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:ghg4g19ikqrj06bt508svbr1nbs358d508@4ax.com...
On 16 Aug 2005 11:56:51 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Javriol"
<javriol@gmail.com> in
<1124218611.733612.156340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Wow, does Carol like to lie. Just in case any one wish to track this
address
Here is my posting host:
65.148.18.14
Not for this post I just responded to, where it is 65.145.48.168, and
not for your post of 16 Aug 2005 07:58:27 -0700, Message-ID:
<1124204307.804369.152820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, where you
posting host was 65.145.40.2.
This stuff is easy to see and easy to check. I don't much care about
Carol at all. But I enjoyed our recent reasonable discussion and it is
sad to see you doing this.
================
I just came across this message above somewhere. They're all the same
person:
NetRange: 63.152.0.0 - 63.159.255.255 - Jabriol
It doesn't matter what nym Jabbers uses. Sooner or later he'll give himself away
by ranting about this "Carol" person, who, for all the evidence I've seen, may
not even exist. <G>
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:Evolution theory evolving? |
17 Aug 2005 03:47:30 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:gc55g11eda11g3nmvtalac07caf7tabve3@4ax.com...
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:33:52 -0500, "Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote:
It doesn't matter what nym Jabbers uses. Sooner or later he'll give
himself away
by ranting about this "Carol" person, who, for all the evidence I've seen,
may
not even exist. <G>
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And his rants get crazier and crazier! LOL! Example: No one else but
Jabbers saw all the kiddy porn he keeps claiming was posted on ARJ-W. Kiddy
porn? That's illegal. Both the poster and the poster's ISP would have been
arrested and charged. Forgeries? Jabs loves to blame others for some of
his sickest posts - he just claims someone forged them.
Delusions? Hallucinations from all the meds he takes for his Epilepsy and
other neurological diseases? There's no way to know, but he is nym-shifting
and nym-stealing constantly now (since so many people ignored him.) All I
have seen can be easily traced to his PH#s in NJ.
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CR......
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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http://www.jwfiles.com/index.htm
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| User: "ReelMcKoi" |
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17 Aug 2005 05:28:56 PM |
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Hey John, a person who don't exist just asnwered you...
Cracklin' wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:gc55g11eda11g3nmvtalac07caf7tabve3@4ax.com...
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:33:52 -0500, "Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote:
It doesn't matter what nym Jabbers uses. Sooner or later he'll give
himself away
by ranting about this "Carol" person, who, for all the evidence I've seen,
may
not even exist. <G>
====================
And his rants get crazier and crazier! LOL! Example: No one else but
Jabbers saw all the kiddy porn he keeps claiming was posted on ARJ-W. Kiddy
porn? That's illegal. Both the poster and the poster's ISP would have been
arrested and charged. Forgeries? Jabs loves to blame others for some of
his sickest posts - he just claims someone forged them.
Delusions? Hallucinations from all the meds he takes for his Epilepsy and
other neurological diseases? There's no way to know, but he is nym-shifting
and nym-stealing constantly now (since so many people ignored him.) All I
have seen can be easily traced to his PH#s in NJ.
--
CR......
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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http://www.jwfiles.com/index.htm
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| User: "ReelMcKoi" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:Evolution theory evolving? |
17 Aug 2005 09:00:59 AM |
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Yes, everyone on ARJ-W Jabriol. Everyone who post From Qwest is
Jabriol. In fact Qwest is Jabriol. Jabriol is Qwest.
Now then, I am posting from Qwest also, I must be Jabriol. And this has
to do with this thread because?
Let me ask Matt and the rest, is this important? Are we going to allow
Carol to bust a thread. If so it is sad indeed. Carol is known to forge
Jabriol header and IP, and to post child porn to these groups to accuse
Jabriol of child molestation. NYM shifting may be used not bypass
filters but to fustrate carol's forgeries.
Carol have a serious obsession with Jabriol. Jabriol owns her soul.
Because she has been booted from HOTN for JW stalking, downloading nude
kidde pix, and forginng the admin e-maill address.
Cracklin' wrote:
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I just came across this message above somewhere. They're all the same
person:
NetRange: 63.152.0.0 - 63.159.255.255 - Jabriol
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