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User: "Robert Dean"
Date: 22 Jun 2003 09:39:54 AM
Object: Re: When Connected to a Life Support System is He/She/It Alive?
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Robert Dean <robert_dean@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message

Robert Dean <robert_dean@bellsouth.net> wrote:


A fetus is not part of a woman's body, from a biological prospective.


A fetus is biologically part of a pregnant woman's body.

It is biologically and genetically separate.


Claiming that a fetus that is attached to and wholly dependant upon a
woman's body is "biologically separate" is a bald-faced lie bordering
on insanity.


A woman's immune system would attack and destroy a fetus if it
were not _isolated_ from her immune system in embryonic fluid
in an embryonic sac.


So what? It is still not separate. In fact, separating a fetus from
the woman will typically lead to the death of the fetus unless the
pregnancy is well advanced.

A fetus is separated in embryonic fluid. It's only physical attachment to
the
woman is the embryonic cord.


Except in the case of identical twins no
two are genetically the same.


Given your gross ignorance when it comes to genetics I suggest that
you not pretend that it has any relevance to anything.

You think identical twins have different genetics and you I am ignorant
of genetics. You're joking. That's funny. You should go on the road
as a comic.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

.

User: "Paul Anderson"

Title: Re: When Connected to a Life Support System is He/She/It Alive? 22 Jun 2003 10:59:38 AM
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:39:54 -0400, "Robert Dean"
<robert_dean@bellsouth.net> wrote:
.....

So what? It is still not separate. In fact, separating a fetus from
the woman will typically lead to the death of the fetus unless the
pregnancy is well advanced.

A fetus is separated in embryonic fluid. It's only physical attachment to
the woman is the embryonic cord.

And? Is there a point? The woman's *head* is separated from her body
and it's only physical attachment is the neck.
.
User: "Robert Dean"

Title: Re: When Connected to a Life Support System is He/She/It Alive? 22 Jun 2003 12:06:42 PM
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:39:54 -0400, "Robert Dean"
<robert_dean@bellsouth.net> wrote:

....

So what? It is still not separate. In fact, separating a fetus from
the woman will typically lead to the death of the fetus unless the
pregnancy is well advanced.

A fetus is separated in embryonic fluid. It's only physical attachment to
the woman is the embryonic cord.


And? Is there a point? The woman's *head* is separated from her body
and it's only physical attachment is the neck.

The fetus has a unique and one of a kind informational code.
.
User: "Pat Winstanley"

Title: Re: When Connected to a Life Support System is He/She/It Alive? 22 Jun 2003 02:21:18 PM
In article <cdlJa.9033$al.426@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com>,
robert_dean@bellsouth.net says...


"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:39:54 -0400, "Robert Dean"
<robert_dean@bellsouth.net> wrote:

....

So what? It is still not separate. In fact, separating a fetus from
the woman will typically lead to the death of the fetus unless the
pregnancy is well advanced.

A fetus is separated in embryonic fluid. It's only physical attachment to
the woman is the embryonic cord.


And? Is there a point? The woman's *head* is separated from her body
and it's only physical attachment is the neck.

The fetus has a unique and one of a kind informational code.




Are you and your identical twin separate persons or not?
(After all you both have the same 'code' according to you... and since
your argumanet is that physical separation is irrelevant for the woman
foetus but *different* codes makes them different 'individuals'...
.... see where your logic takes you...?
.



User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: When Connected to a Life Support System is He/She/It Alive? 22 Jun 2003 10:54:01 AM
Robert Dean <robert_dean@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message

A fetus is not part of a woman's body, from a biological prospective.


A fetus is biologically part of a pregnant woman's body.

It is biologically and genetically separate.


Claiming that a fetus that is attached to and wholly dependant upon a
woman's body is "biologically separate" is a bald-faced lie bordering
on insanity.


A woman's immune system would attack and destroy a fetus if it
were not _isolated_ from her immune system in embryonic fluid
in an embryonic sac.


So what? It is still not separate. In fact, separating a fetus from
the woman will typically lead to the death of the fetus unless the
pregnancy is well advanced.

A fetus is separated in embryonic fluid.

Your heart is separated from you by the pericardium.

It's only physical attachment to the
woman is the embryonic cord.

Which makes it ATTACHED and not SEPARATE.
Are you really this stupid? Or is it a matter of lying to yourself in
order to justify an immoral ideology?

Except in the case of identical twins no
two are genetically the same.


Given your gross ignorance when it comes to genetics I suggest that
you not pretend that it has any relevance to anything.

You think identical twins have different genetics

You are neither smart enough nor honest enough to state what I think.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: When Connected to a Life Support System is He/She/It Alive? 22 Jun 2003 12:48:36 PM
Robert Dean <robert_dean@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message

Robert Dean <robert_dean@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message


A fetus is not part of a woman's body, from a biological

prospective.


A fetus is biologically part of a pregnant woman's body.

It is biologically and genetically separate.


Claiming that a fetus that is attached to and wholly dependant upon

a

woman's body is "biologically separate" is a bald-faced lie

bordering

on insanity.


A woman's immune system would attack and destroy a fetus if it
were not _isolated_ from her immune system in embryonic fluid
in an embryonic sac.


So what? It is still not separate. In fact, separating a fetus from
the woman will typically lead to the death of the fetus unless the
pregnancy is well advanced.

A fetus is separated in embryonic fluid.


Your heart is separated from you by the pericardium.

Good point! But my heart contains the same DNA.

So what? Since when does separation depend upon DNA?

It's only physical attachment to the
woman is the embryonic cord.


Which makes it ATTACHED and not SEPARATE.

Are you really this stupid? Or is it a matter of lying to yourself in
order to justify an immoral ideology?

I disassociate myself with morality.

That much is obvious.

Except in the case of identical twins no
two are genetically the same.


Given your gross ignorance when it comes to genetics I suggest that
you not pretend that it has any relevance to anything.

You think identical twins have different genetics


You are neither smart enough nor honest enough to state what I think.

If identical twins don't have the same exact genetics why then are they
identical.

Since you claim to be an expert on genetics then surely you know that
answer, right?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.



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