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User: "Ray Fischer"
Date: 30 Jun 2003 10:17:15 PM
Object: Re: Woman to Jail for Killing Fetus
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So an unborn child is a fetus? Fine. No fetus has the right to live

off

an unwilling host any more than you or I do.


Did you make up this non-right or is there a law that you can cite?


Read the 9th Amendment.


I read the 9th Amendment and nowhere did I find anything remotely

resembling

the fetus not having rights.


Well there's your problem: You can't read. The subject is the fact
that a fetus does not have the right to use a person's body.


Since when does a fetus have to require the right to use the mothers body?


Since pregnant women are not slaves, you sleazy control freak.


Control freak?

You figured out copy & paste!

Who am I trying to control?

Pretty much everybody.

The only one I control is myself.

And you don't even do a good job of that.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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User: "Osprey"

Title: Is Ray Fischer Credible? 01 Jul 2003 09:28:50 AM
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So an unborn child is a fetus? Fine. No fetus has the right

to live

off

an unwilling host any more than you or I do.


Did you make up this non-right or is there a law that you can

cite?


Read the 9th Amendment.


I read the 9th Amendment and nowhere did I find anything remotely

resembling

the fetus not having rights.


Well there's your problem: You can't read. The subject is the fact
that a fetus does not have the right to use a person's body.


Since when does a fetus have to require the right to use the mothers

body?


Since pregnant women are not slaves, you sleazy control freak.


Control freak?


You figured out copy & paste!

Who am I trying to control?


Pretty much everybody.

Like who?
You think you are so credible, lets find out.
However I am willing to bet you are too cowardly to actually face the
questions to your claims.
Who specifically am I trying to control Ray?
I control myself, and I control those that are under my supervision with in
my job.
Now, would you like to expand on that and tell us exactly who I am trying to
control?
Further questions will of course be asked of you after you answer that one.
Don't lack credibility and give a BS answer like you just done above. Lets
find out how credible Ray Fischer is.


The only one I control is myself.


And you don't even do a good job of that.

Well that is something you don't know anything about, so lets get back to
finding out how credible Ray Fischer is.
You said I try to control pretty much everybody.
Give specifics...like names.


--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

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User: "Chris"

Title: Re: Is Ray Fischer Credible? 01 Jul 2003 11:14:21 AM
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So an unborn child is a fetus? Fine. No fetus has the right

to live

off

an unwilling host any more than you or I do.


Did you make up this non-right or is there a law that you can

cite?


Read the 9th Amendment.


I read the 9th Amendment and nowhere did I find anything remotely

resembling

the fetus not having rights.


Well there's your problem: You can't read. The subject is the

fact

that a fetus does not have the right to use a person's body.


Since when does a fetus have to require the right to use the mothers

body?


Since pregnant women are not slaves, you sleazy control freak.


Control freak?


You figured out copy & paste!

Who am I trying to control?


Pretty much everybody.


Like who?

You think you are so credible, lets find out.

However I am willing to bet you are too cowardly to actually face the
questions to your claims.

Who specifically am I trying to control Ray?

I control myself, and I control those that are under my supervision with

in

my job.

Now, would you like to expand on that and tell us exactly who I am trying

to

control?

Further questions will of course be asked of you after you answer that

one.


Don't lack credibility and give a BS answer like you just done above.

Lets

find out how credible Ray Fischer is.


The only one I control is myself.


And you don't even do a good job of that.


Well that is something you don't know anything about, so lets get back to
finding out how credible Ray Fischer is.

You said I try to control pretty much everybody.

Give specifics...like names.

Bear in mind that you are dealing with an individual that believes there is
no such thing as a straight line; i.e. a succession of points each a further
distance from the starting point indefinitely. So go easy.




--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net



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User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Is Ray Fischer Credible? 01 Jul 2003 12:40:07 PM
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So an unborn child is a fetus? Fine. No fetus has the

right

to live

off

an unwilling host any more than you or I do.


Did you make up this non-right or is there a law that you

can

cite?


Read the 9th Amendment.


I read the 9th Amendment and nowhere did I find anything

remotely

resembling

the fetus not having rights.


Well there's your problem: You can't read. The subject is the

fact

that a fetus does not have the right to use a person's body.


Since when does a fetus have to require the right to use the

mothers

body?


Since pregnant women are not slaves, you sleazy control freak.


Control freak?


You figured out copy & paste!

Who am I trying to control?


Pretty much everybody.


Like who?

You think you are so credible, lets find out.

However I am willing to bet you are too cowardly to actually face the
questions to your claims.

Who specifically am I trying to control Ray?

I control myself, and I control those that are under my supervision with

in

my job.

Now, would you like to expand on that and tell us exactly who I am

trying

to

control?

Further questions will of course be asked of you after you answer that

one.


Don't lack credibility and give a BS answer like you just done above.

Lets

find out how credible Ray Fischer is.


The only one I control is myself.


And you don't even do a good job of that.


Well that is something you don't know anything about, so lets get back

to

finding out how credible Ray Fischer is.

You said I try to control pretty much everybody.

Give specifics...like names.


Bear in mind that you are dealing with an individual that believes there

is

no such thing as a straight line; i.e. a succession of points each a

further

distance from the starting point indefinitely. So go easy.

Not to worry, Ray will prove himself not to be credible with in the first
response and not even be smart enough to realize it..:o)





--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net





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User: "Loose Cannon"

Title: Re: Is Ray Fischer Credible? 01 Jul 2003 05:20:14 PM
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You said I try to control pretty much everybody.

Give specifics...like names.

It would appear that Ostrich has conveniently forgotten his recent
hissy-fit, in which he threatened to turn in virtually the entire ng for TOS
violations. I seem to recall he got his lacy panties in a bunch over being
taken to task for his cross-dressing posts (as opposed to his equally
lamentable cross-posting). Admittedly a rather pathetic attempt at
'control', but an attempt nonetheless.
Should I name the entire ng for you, Roberta?

Bear in mind that you are dealing with an individual that believes there
is no such thing as a straight line; i.e. a succession of points each a
further distance from the starting point indefinitely. So go easy.

This, from the interminable (and terminally uncomprehending) originator of
"Jeopardy for Idiots", Chris.
Another irony meter on the scrap pile.
LC~Ostrich is always _sure_, but rarely correct. Chris is pathologically
_unsure_, but always willing to ask again (and again, and again...).
May they spend eternity together. If there is a God, let it be so.
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." - Aldous Huxley
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Title: Re: Is Ostrich Credible? You be the judge. 03 Jul 2003 02:38:57 AM
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You said I try to control pretty much everybody.


Give specifics...like names.


It would appear that Ostrich


Wrong bird; or was it meant as an ad hominem attack?


Ospreys are quick and intelligent, Ostriches are cowardly and none
too bright. When confronted, they stick their head in the sand and
hope that which confronts them will disappear. As a result, they
frequently end up

as

dead meat.
Try and figure it out on your own, 20 Questions Redd.

ROFL...is Loose Cannon trying to sneak out and play peek a boo...
let him have his fun, it is all he has..:o)


It _is_ fun showing you to be a liar.


Demonstrate that he does NOT believe that which he claims.

And easy, as I've demonstrated. Maybe
that's why you run and hide?

has conveniently forgotten his recent
hissy-fit, in which he threatened to turn in virtually the
entire ng
for TOS violations. I seem to recall he got his lacy panties in
a

bunch

over being taken to task for his cross-dressing posts (as
opposed to his equally lamentable cross-posting). Admittedly a
rather pathetic attempt at 'control', but an attempt
nonetheless.
Should I name the entire ng for you, Roberta?


Note that Ostrich fails to address the fact that he has now been
shown to

be

a 'control freak'. You asked, I provided. You're welcome.

Bear in mind that you are dealing with an individual that
believes
is no such thing as a straight line; i.e. a succession of
points

each

further distance from the starting point indefinitely. So go
easy.


This, from the interminable (and terminally uncomprehending)
originator of "Jeopardy for Idiots", Chris.


Ad hominem AND your opinion.


Pig Latin AND everyone's opinion. Sucks to be you.


What the heck are you talking about?


That is all they know


Robert "Always sure, rarely correct" Heishman, inadvertent master of

irony.


Another irony meter on the scrap pile.


LC~Ostrich is always _sure_, but rarely correct. Chris is
pathologically _unsure_,


About what?


LOL. Is 'everything' broad enough for you?

but always willing to ask again (and again, and again...).
May they spend eternity together. If there is a God, let it be
so.


Anyone who states "if there is a God" does NOT believe in God.


True enough!


Neither of you two ninnys know much of anything, much less what I
believe.


It is clear that you do not belive in God.

However, here's a nugget for you: I believe Chris and Ostrich must
not

have

much in the way of real lives,


Thank you for your opinion.

given their prolific, yet monumentally
vacuous posting histories.

Shut off the computer and step outside occasionally, boys. It'll do
your troubled minds a world of good. You might even stumble across a
clue. Or not.


Are you done?


HTH

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."


Neither does God.

You are right for once. Your god doesn't *cease* to exist because it
never existed in the first place.

Correct.



- Aldous
Huxley
























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Title: Re: Is Ostrich Credible? You be the judge. 03 Jul 2003 02:47:11 AM
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You said I try to control pretty much everybody.


Give specifics...like names.


It would appear that Ostrich


Wrong bird; or was it meant as an ad hominem attack?


Ospreys are quick and intelligent, Ostriches are cowardly and none

too

bright. When confronted, they stick their head in the sand and hope
that which confronts them will disappear. As a result, they

frequently

end up as dead meat.
Try and figure it out on your own, 20 Questions Redd.

ROFL...is Loose Cannon trying to sneak out and play peek a boo...
let him have his fun, it is all he has..:o)


It _is_ fun showing you to be a liar.


Demonstrate that he does NOT believe that which he claims.


LOL. You truly are cognitively challenged, 20Q.

In any event, Ostrich has a well-used out, provided for your edification:

"I am not lying about anyting, I am stating it as I see it."
Bobspammer, commenting on accountability in Message:
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Saves alot of time on mea culpas. Might work for you as well.

It is unclear what you are trying to say in your above statements.


They can't. That would mean they would have to admit they mis-use the
term lie. It is their 2nd tactic.


Well, looky here: Roberta is following the thread, but steadfastly

refusing

to acknowledge being caught in yet another lie.

Keep running, Ostrich. Might help you slim down from those size 52's.

Red herring.


snip<<


This, from the interminable (and terminally uncomprehending)
originator of "Jeopardy for Idiots", Chris.


Ad hominem AND your opinion.


Pig Latin AND everyone's opinion. Sucks to be you.


What the heck are you talking about?


Like you truly don't know...

I truly don't. If I did, then I would NOT have asked the question.

<rolling eyes>

snip<<


Neither of you two ninnys know much of anything, much less what I

believe.


It is clear that you do not belive in God.


How so, 20Q? And which "God"?

Unsure what the first question means, but the second is like asking "which
first place?".


However, here's a nugget for you: I believe Chris and Ostrich must

not

have much in the way of real lives,


Thank you for your opinion.


Hey, it's not just my opinion. The 'government people' passed that along

to

me. You're in their sights, y' know.

I know.


snip<<<


"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."


Neither does God.


Proof please?

Just look at the world around you; that's proof enough.







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Title: Re: Is Ostrich Credible? You be the judge. 03 Jul 2003 08:57:15 AM
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Demonstrate that he does NOT believe that which he claims.


LOL. You truly are cognitively challenged, 20Q.

In any event, Ostrich has a well-used out, provided for your

edification:


"I am not lying about anyting, I am stating it as I see it."
Bobspammer, commenting on accountability in Message:
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Saves alot of time on mea culpas. Might work for you as well.


It is unclear what you are trying to say in your above statements.

It's clear that virtually *everything* is unclear to you. That's your
persona.


They can't. That would mean they would have to admit they mis-use the
term lie. It is their 2nd tactic.


Well, looky here: Roberta is following the thread, but steadfastly
refusing to acknowledge being caught in yet another lie.

Keep running, Ostrich. Might help you slim down from those size 52's.


Red herring.

Excellent suggestion. The low fat content of fish would help Robert slim
down.


snip<<


This, from the interminable (and terminally uncomprehending)
originator of "Jeopardy for Idiots", Chris.


Ad hominem AND your opinion.


Pig Latin AND everyone's opinion. Sucks to be you.


What the heck are you talking about?


Like you truly don't know...


I truly don't. If I did, then I would NOT have asked the question.

Yeah, right. Mangling Latin and asking stupid questions is ALL you do. On
that, there is concensus, even in this fractious forum..

<rolling eyes>

snip<<


Neither of you two ninnys know much of anything, much less what I

believe.


It is clear that you do not belive in God.


How so, 20Q? And which "God"?


Unsure what the first question means, but the second is like asking "which
first place?".

You really do play 'stupid' quite well. However, I"m becoming increasingly
convinced you're not playing.
I'm asking in what way it is 'clear'.


However, here's a nugget for you: I believe Chris and Ostrich must
not have much in the way of real lives,


Thank you for your opinion.


Hey, it's not just my opinion. The 'government people' passed that along
to me. You're in their sights, y' know.


I know.

Feelings of persecution, 20Q?


snip<<<


"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."


Neither does God.


Proof please?


Just look at the world around you; that's proof enough.

How so? Please direct me to empirical evidence of your claim.
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Title: Re: Is Ostrich Credible? You be the judge. 04 Jul 2003 12:54:51 AM
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Demonstrate that he does NOT believe that which he claims.


LOL. You truly are cognitively challenged, 20Q.

In any event, Ostrich has a well-used out, provided for your

edification:


"I am not lying about anyting, I am stating it as I see it."
Bobspammer, commenting on accountability in Message:
<3EB02182.8020101@mail.com>

Saves alot of time on mea culpas. Might work for you as well.


It is unclear what you are trying to say in your above statements.


It's clear that virtually *everything* is unclear to you. That's your
persona.

Thank you for your opinion.



They can't. That would mean they would have to admit they mis-use

the

term lie. It is their 2nd tactic.


Well, looky here: Roberta is following the thread, but steadfastly
refusing to acknowledge being caught in yet another lie.

Keep running, Ostrich. Might help you slim down from those size 52's.


Red herring.


Excellent suggestion. The low fat content of fish would help Robert slim
down.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.



snip<<


This, from the interminable (and terminally

uncomprehending)

originator of "Jeopardy for Idiots", Chris.


Ad hominem AND your opinion.


Pig Latin AND everyone's opinion. Sucks to be you.


What the heck are you talking about?


Like you truly don't know...


I truly don't. If I did, then I would NOT have asked the question.


Yeah, right. Mangling Latin and asking stupid questions is ALL you do.

How do you figure?

On
that, there is concensus, even in this fractious forum..

<rolling eyes>

snip<<


Neither of you two ninnys know much of anything, much less what

I

believe.


It is clear that you do not belive in God.


How so, 20Q? And which "God"?


Unsure what the first question means, but the second is like asking

"which

first place?".


You really do play 'stupid' quite well. However, I"m becoming increasingly
convinced you're not playing.

Red herring AND ad hominem.


I'm asking in what way it is 'clear'.


However, here's a nugget for you: I believe Chris and Ostrich

must

not have much in the way of real lives,


Thank you for your opinion.


Hey, it's not just my opinion. The 'government people' passed that

along

to me. You're in their sights, y' know.


I know.


Feelings of persecution, 20Q?

I am uncertain what you are attempting to ask.



snip<<<


"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."


Neither does God.


Proof please?


Just look at the world around you; that's proof enough.


How so? Please direct me to empirical evidence of your claim.

I just did. It's up to you to see it.










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Title: Is Asspry (Osprey) Credible? 01 Jul 2003 12:31:12 PM
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So an unborn child is a fetus? Fine. No fetus has the right

to live
off

an unwilling host any more than you or I do.


Did you make up this non-right or is there a law that you can

cite?


Read the 9th Amendment.


I read the 9th Amendment and nowhere did I find anything remotely

resembling

the fetus not having rights.


Well there's your problem: You can't read. The subject is the fact
that a fetus does not have the right to use a person's body.


Since when does a fetus have to require the right to use the mothers

body?


Since pregnant women are not slaves, you sleazy control freak.


Control freak?


You figured out copy & paste!

Who am I trying to control?


Pretty much everybody.


Like who?

Women, idiotboy!


You think you are so credible, lets find out.

You first. How are homosexuals in the military a safety and security
threat?


However I am willing to bet you are too cowardly to actually face the
questions to your claims.

Hypocrite, answer the question above.


Who specifically am I trying to control Ray?

I control myself, and I control those that are under my supervision with in
my job.

Now, would you like to expand on that and tell us exactly who I am trying to
control?

WOMEN!


Further questions will of course be asked of you after you answer that one.

You need to answer the questions asked of you first, our course.


Don't lack credibility and give a BS answer like you just done above. Lets
find out how credible Ray Fischer is.

Don't lack credibility and run away like you have done so many times
before Asspry.


The only one I control is myself.


And you don't even do a good job of that.


Well that is something you don't know anything about, so lets get back to
finding out how credible Ray Fischer is.

You said I try to control pretty much everybody.

Give specifics...like names.

Well, Sue, Mary, Jane, and all the other names of all the women you
want to control. Surely, you don't expect me to post all the names
when my response of "all women" is sufficient.




--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

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User: "james g. keegan jr."

Title: Re: Is Ray Fischer Credible? 01 Jul 2003 03:47:30 PM
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in
news:3F01E2BF.42BD08F@citlink.net:

Osprey wrote:

You said I try to control pretty much everybody.

Give specifics...like names.


A. Who do I try to control?
B. Everybody.
A. Name 'em.

Gotta love that!

no one ever argues that coward bobby was bright.
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