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Re: "Womens rights" Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises Question of Choice for Men |
Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises
Question of Choice for Men
By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson
John Stachokus, the Pennsylvania would-be father who lost his bid to
block his ex-girlfriend's abortion, has found himself in a position familiar
to millions of American men: He has a large personal stake in a decision in
which he is not allowed to take any part. His wishes are irrelevant. When it
comes to reproduction, in America today women have rights and men merely
have responsibilities.
When a woman wants a child and a man does not, the woman can have the
child anyway -- and demand 18 years of child support from the father. This
remains true even if the father had made it clear that he did not want to
have children, and even if the woman had previously agreed to respect his
wishes.
For decades, leading feminist organizations such as the National
Organization for Women and the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights
Action League have argued that women should have reproductive rights because
nobody should be able to tell them what to do with their own bodies. Thus
the slogan "My Body, My Choice."
But the sacrifices required to pay 18 years of child support should
not be discounted, either. The average American father works a 51-hour work
week, one of the longest in the industrialized world. It is men,
overwhelmingly, who do our society's hazardous jobs. Nearly 50 American
workers are injured every minute of the 40-hour work week. On average, every
day 17 die -- 16 of them male. Couldn't men who work long hours or do
hazardous jobs -- and who suffer the concomitant physical ailments and
injuries -- argue that their bodies are on the line, too? Where is their
choice?
NOW and NARAL were legitimately concerned that the Pennsylvania
anti-abortion injunction, which was issued on a temporary basis last
Wednesday and dissolved the following Monday, could have established a
precedent for giving men and the government control over an important aspect
of women's lives. But when a woman forces a man to be responsible for a
child only she wants, is she not exercising control over his life? And when
the massive government child-support apparatus hounds the reluctant father
for financial support, takes a third of his income and jails him if he comes
up short, isn't the government exercising control over his life? Advocates
of reproductive choice for men -- the right of an unmarried man to sign away
his parenting rights and responsibilities upon learning of an unwanted
pregnancy -- have a legitimate claim, based on the same arguments that
feminists have used to support their case for choice for women.
When the situation is reversed and the woman does not want to have a
child and the man does -- as is the case with Stachokus and his
ex-girlfriend, Tanya Meyers -- once again, women have rights and men do not.
A woman who doesn't want her child can terminate the pregnancy against the
father's wishes, or put their child up for adoption, sometimes without the
father's permission. In some states, she can even return the baby to the
hospital within a week of birth. More than 1 million American women legally
walk away from motherhood every year.
Perhaps, as some have argued, Stachokus was using his legal maneuvers
as a way to exercise control over the ex-girlfriend who broke up with him.
More likely he was simply a proud papa-to-be. Maybe he imagined his child to
be a little daddy's girl, or a son he would proudly raise to be a man. Or
perhaps he is just a stand-up guy who wanted to live up to what he sees as
his responsibilities.
Even if Stachokus had persuaded Meyers to have their child, he
probably would not have been allowed to be a meaningful part of his child's
life. Meyers does not want to marry or stay with him. Legal precedents --
and a stubbornly held but baseless cultural notion that children fare better
with their mothers -- suggest that, even though he was willing to take full
or partial custody, he would have had little chance of getting it. Many
unwed and divorced fathers face a difficult struggle to remain a part of
their children's lives.
Custodial mothers frequently violate fathers' visitation rights, and
courts do little to enforce them. Some custodial mothers move hundreds or
even thousands of miles away from their children's fathers, and it is
frequently difficult for these dads to maintain regular contact with their
kids.
Stachokus may have ended up like the hundreds of thousands of American
fathers who love children they are not able or allowed to see, and whose
suffering is ignored by a society that seems capable only of denigrating
fathers.
John, whatever move you made, you never had a chance. Welcome to
modern American fatherhood.
This column first appeared in Newsday (8/7/02) and the Pittsburgh
Post-Gazette (8/11/02)
Glenn Sacks writes about gender issues from the male perspective. He
can be reached at Glenn@GlennSacks.com. Dianna Thompson is a founder and
executive director of the American Coalition for Fathers and Children
(www.acfc.org). She can be contacted by e-mail at DThompson2232@aol.com.
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| User: "Angelique Allaire" |
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| Title: Re: "Womens rights" Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises Question of Choice for Men |
22 Jun 2004 12:06:10 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac." <Harry Ballsac.@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in message news:<Y_QBc.1854$E84.773@edtnps89>...
Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises
Question of Choice for Men
By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson
Goodness gracious, Harry! Are you telling us that for all intents and
purposes it's quite alright for a woman to kill her child for any
reason, but not quite alright for the man to do the same?
Perhaps there's an enterprising lawyer out there who might argue that
since the "child" he doesn't want and is faced with supporting for 18
years is not a person, a fetus, and also since the woman is not a
magician capable of turning a non-human being into an actual human
being, he can't be asked to support what doesn't exist and can't
exist.
And if the response is she is entitled to kill what can't exist, or
doesn't exist, then he should respond that this violates equal
protection. If it exists, then it's murder. If it doesn't exist, that
is, is not a human being as is her basis for killing it and which the
law concedes, then the argument should be he is just as entitled to
kill it, too.
Angelique
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23 Jun 2004 01:51:30 AM |
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"Angelique Allaire" <angelique@linkedto.nulluser.com> wrote in message
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"Harry Ballsac." <Harry
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Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises
Question of Choice for Men
By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson
Goodness gracious, Harry! Are you telling us that for all intents and
purposes it's quite alright for a woman to kill her child for any
reason, but not quite alright for the man to do the same?
Perhaps there's an enterprising lawyer out there who might argue that
since the "child" he doesn't want and is faced with supporting for 18
years is not a person, a fetus, and also since the woman is not a
magician capable of turning a non-human being into an actual human
being, he can't be asked to support what doesn't exist and can't
exist.
And if the response is she is entitled to kill what can't exist, or
doesn't exist, then he should respond that this violates equal
protection.
Equal protection only applies when men can carry and produce babies.
If it exists, then it's murder. If it doesn't exist, that
is, is not a human being as is her basis for killing it and which the
law concedes, then the argument should be he is just as entitled to
kill it, too.
Angelique
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| User: "Naughtius \The Twinkies Made Me Do It\ Maximus" |
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22 Jun 2004 12:58:27 PM |
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"Angelique Allaire" <angelique@linkedto.nulluser.com> wrote in message [NO
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Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises
Question of Choice for Men
Goodness gracious, Harry! Are you telling us that
[Say G'nite *****]
Naughtius "PLONKing DUMBaughs Since 1968" Maximus
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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22 Jun 2004 06:23:46 AM |
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In article <Y_QBc.1854$E84.773@edtnps89>,
"Harry Ballsac." <Harry
Ballsac.@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises
Question of Choice for Men
By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson
John Stachokus, the Pennsylvania would-be father who lost his bid to
block his ex-girlfriend's abortion, has found himself in a position familiar
to millions of American men: He has a large personal stake in a decision in
which he is not allowed to take any part. His wishes are irrelevant. When it
comes to reproduction, in America today women have rights and men merely
have responsibilities.
As do I have a vested interest. I deserve a right to have a say in how
your children are raised.
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| User: "Harry Ballsac... Harry" |
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22 Jun 2004 12:31:37 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-475741.07235422062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Y_QBc.1854$E84.773@edtnps89>,
"Harry Ballsac." <Harry
Ballsac.@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises
Question of Choice for Men
By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson
John Stachokus, the Pennsylvania would-be father who lost his bid
to
block his ex-girlfriend's abortion, has found himself in a position
familiar
to millions of American men: He has a large personal stake in a decision
in
which he is not allowed to take any part. His wishes are irrelevant.
When it
comes to reproduction, in America today women have rights and men merely
have responsibilities.
As do I have a vested interest. I deserve a right to have a say in how
your children are raised.
So you would send all the innocent children to the abortion killing fields
wouldn't you rather then raise them, you idiot..
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: "Womens rights" Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises Question of Choice for Men |
23 Jun 2004 04:04:58 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac..." <Harry
Ballsac...@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in message
news:Z1_Bc.13877$mm3.4263@clgrps13...
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-475741.07235422062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Y_QBc.1854$E84.773@edtnps89>,
"Harry Ballsac." <Harry
Ballsac.@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises
Question of Choice for Men
By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson
John Stachokus, the Pennsylvania would-be father who lost his
bid
to
block his ex-girlfriend's abortion, has found himself in a position
familiar
to millions of American men: He has a large personal stake in a
decision
in
which he is not allowed to take any part. His wishes are irrelevant.
When it
comes to reproduction, in America today women have rights and men
merely
have responsibilities.
As do I have a vested interest. I deserve a right to have a say in how
your children are raised.
So you would send all the innocent children to the abortion killing fields
wouldn't you rather then raise them, you idiot..
===================
How many are YOU raising?
--
Flower Power.......
ANTI-Feminist definition: "Sick abusive controlling men" -->
adj. 1. A man who consistently supports
UNequal legal rights while opposing feminine equality.
2. Someone losing a debate with a feminist.
3. A woman who refuses to kowtow to ANTI-feminist propaganda.
Usually used as an ad-homonym attack because he has no reply (like Bob).
Translation: "You're wrong, but won't admit it."
Synonyms: terribly confused, defective brain, take the IQ-test, morons,
taking meds,
seek professional help, had one too many hits of crack, etc.
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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22 Jun 2004 03:41:43 PM |
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In article <Z1_Bc.13877$mm3.4263@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac..." <Harry
Ballsac...@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
So you would send all the innocent children to the abortion killing fields
wouldn't you rather then raise them, you idiot..
I wouldn't send one. I'm male, not female. I can't become pregnant.
Using my body for 9 months, well... you better have some good
negotiating skills.
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| User: "Harry Ballsac.1.. Harry" |
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22 Jun 2004 05:02:49 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-332AF6.16414922062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Z1_Bc.13877$mm3.4263@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac..." <Harry
Ballsac...@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
So you would send all the innocent children to the abortion killing
fields
wouldn't you rather then raise them, you idiot..
I wouldn't send one. I'm male, not female.
That makes no difference you support abortion as you said if you were a
women, sheman type you would abort everything out of stupidity.
I can't become pregnant.
Using my body for 9 months, well... you better have some good
negotiating skills.
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: "Womens rights" Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises Question of Choice for Men |
22 Jun 2004 05:15:46 PM |
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In article <d02Cc.14559$mm3.1494@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1.." <Harry
Ballsac.1..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-332AF6.16414922062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Z1_Bc.13877$mm3.4263@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac..." <Harry
Ballsac...@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
So you would send all the innocent children to the abortion killing
fields
wouldn't you rather then raise them, you idiot..
I wouldn't send one. I'm male, not female.
That makes no difference you support abortion as you said if you were a
women, sheman type you would abort everything out of stupidity.
Correction -- only your offspring, Bob. I hope their aren't children in
your custody. I'm concerned for any minor's safety where given your
propensity for volatility.
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| User: "Harry Ballsac.1a.. Harry" |
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22 Jun 2004 05:50:26 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-E45FE1.18164022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <d02Cc.14559$mm3.1494@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1.." <Harry
Ballsac.1..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-332AF6.16414922062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Z1_Bc.13877$mm3.4263@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac..." <Harry
Ballsac...@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
So you would send all the innocent children to the abortion killing
fields
wouldn't you rather then raise them, you idiot..
I wouldn't send one. I'm male, not female.
That makes no difference you support abortion as you said if you were a
women, sheman type you would abort everything out of stupidity.
Correction -- only your offspring, Bob.
I'm not BOB, you idiot, can't you see that or has all that blood got in your
eyes.
I hope their aren't children in
your custody. I'm concerned for any minor's safety where given your
propensity for volatility.
LOL's I have 6 children who are lovely kids, only because you wacky out
feminazi types haven't corrupted them with your stupidity, and I involve
myself seriously in their schooling, so they can all be lawyers to help
bring down your angry feminazi hate groups and see that your all placed in
special abortion killing feilds camps. :-)
Have a nice day...
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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23 Jun 2004 04:10:49 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in message
news:SI2Cc.14592$mm3.415@clgrps13...
LOL's I have 6 children who are lovely kids,
** Looks like misery loves company. Since you're tied down with a litter
you feel everyone else should be as well. How dare someone get pregnant and
not have to PAY as you're paying.
only because you wacky out
feminazi types
** You post like a grade schooler. Your first child must have been born
when you were still in 5th grade.
haven't corrupted them with your stupidity, and I involve
myself seriously in their schooling, so they can all be lawyers to help
bring down your angry feminazi hate groups and see that your all placed
in
special abortion killing feilds camps. :-)
Have a nice day...
** Misery loves company - this post of yours proves it! :o)
--
Flower Power.......
ANTI-Feminist definition: "Sick abusive controlling men" -->
adj. 1. A man who consistently supports
UNequal legal rights while opposing feminine equality.
2. Someone losing a debate with a feminist.
3. A woman who refuses to kowtow to ANTI-feminist propaganda.
Usually used as an ad-homonym attack because he has no reply (like Bob).
Translation: "You're wrong, but won't admit it."
Synonyms: terribly confused, defective brain, take the IQ-test, morons,
taking meds,
seek professional help, had one too many hits of crack, etc.
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| User: "Harry Ballsac.1a.. Harry" |
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23 Jun 2004 05:43:50 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@thisNG.edu> wrote in message
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
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LOL's I have 6 children who are lovely kids,
** Looks like misery loves company. Since you're tied down with a litter
you feel everyone else should be as well. How dare someone get pregnant
and
not have to PAY as you're paying.
Get over your feminist stupidity, the mother didn't want the kids and walk
on on her own children, when two of them were six months old, I raised them,
without any woman's help what so ever and that must really ***** you off
while having to work at the same time, but it too bloody bad, you never
learned anything, that is useful for a feminist. Not even motherhood...
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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23 Jun 2004 09:09:51 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
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LOL's I have 6 children who are lovely kids,
** Looks like misery loves company. Since you're tied down with a
litter
you feel everyone else should be as well. How dare someone get pregnant
and
not have to PAY as you're paying.
Get over your feminist stupidity,
** Get over your male supremacist stupidity.
the mother didn't want the kids and walk
on on her own children,
** Mothers and/or fathers do this all the time....
when two of them were six months old, I raised them,
without any woman's help
** You took them to work with you, and everywhere you went - or you make an
unusually high salary and hired a nanny. Most men and women can't afford
nannies.
what so ever and that must really ***** you off
while having to work at the same time,
** Why should your kids ***** me off? I couldn't care less who raises them.
They're your responsibility.
but it too bloody bad, you never
learned anything, that is useful for a feminist. Not even motherhood...
** ???? I raised my son already.
--
Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
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"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
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24 Jun 2004 09:02:42 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
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LOL's I have 6 children who are lovely kids,
** Looks like misery loves company. Since you're tied down with a
litter
you feel everyone else should be as well.
I love kids that smarter then you feminazi moron's who abuse kids, ***** your
stupid indeed
How dare someone get pregnant
and
not have to PAY as you're paying.
since when do you or any other mother pay for anything, it fathers who pay
your welfare checks for your kids you twit, unlike you I don't except
handout you cow.
Get over your feminist stupidity,
** Get over your male supremacist stupidity.
LOL's, still the fat cow with no life hay....hahahahaha
** You took them to work with you, and everywhere you went - or you make
an
unusually high salary and hired a nanny. Most men and women can't afford
nannies.
***** your stupid, some companys have daycare you idiot, it 2004 not 1969
what so ever and that must really ***** you off
while having to work at the same time,
** Why should your kids ***** me off? I couldn't care less who raises
them.
They're your responsibility.
Your one angry woman, seeing men doing a better job with kids then you fat
feminazi cows can./
but it too bloody bad, you never
learned anything, that is useful for a feminist. Not even motherhood...
** ???? I raised my son already.
And he really ***** up and pissed at you
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25 Jun 2004 10:52:23 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
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LOL's I have 6 children who are lovely kids,
** Looks like misery loves company. Since you're tied down with a
litter
you feel everyone else should be as well.
I love kids that smarter then you feminazi moron's who abuse kids, *****
your
stupid indeed
How dare someone get pregnant
and
not have to PAY as you're paying.
since when do you or any other mother pay for anything, it fathers who pay
your welfare checks for your kids you twit, unlike you I don't except
handout you cow.
Get over your feminist stupidity,
** Get over your male supremacist stupidity.
LOL's, still the fat cow with no life hay....hahahahaha
** You took them to work with you, and everywhere you went - or you make
an
unusually high salary and hired a nanny. Most men and women can't
afford
nannies.
***** your stupid, some companys have daycare you idiot, it 2004 not 1969
what so ever and that must really ***** you off
while having to work at the same time,
** Why should your kids ***** me off? I couldn't care less who raises
them.
They're your responsibility.
Your one angry woman, seeing men doing a better job with kids then you fat
feminazi cows can./
but it too bloody bad, you never
learned anything, that is useful for a feminist. Not even
motherhood...
** ???? I raised my son already.
And he really ***** up and pissed at you
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Wow,... that's news to me. :-) Just last week he received another raise,
and another promotion is on the way. Why would he be *****? He's
doing very well in life - what about you?
--
FP...........
God said:
"Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and
sons shall eat their fathers...I will send famine and wild beasts
against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and
blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I,
the Lord, have spoken." Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17
Did he make them turn to cannibalism? Did he find the aroma as pleasing as
when one
burns an innocent lamb?
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22 Jun 2004 06:02:42 PM |
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In article <SI2Cc.14592$mm3.415@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-E45FE1.18164022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <d02Cc.14559$mm3.1494@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1.." <Harry
Ballsac.1..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-332AF6.16414922062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Z1_Bc.13877$mm3.4263@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac..." <Harry
Ballsac...@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
So you would send all the innocent children to the abortion killing
fields
wouldn't you rather then raise them, you idiot..
I wouldn't send one. I'm male, not female.
That makes no difference you support abortion as you said if you were a
women, sheman type you would abort everything out of stupidity.
Correction -- only your offspring, Bob.
I'm not BOB, you idiot, can't you see that or has all that blood got in your
eyes.
I hope their aren't children in
your custody. I'm concerned for any minor's safety where given your
propensity for volatility.
LOL's I have 6 children who are lovely kids,
Bang out "Sleepy" and you'll have the whole set.
That's one gene pool that the state should have stepped in on.
only because you wacky out
feminazi types haven't corrupted them with your stupidity, and I involve
myself seriously in their schooling, so they can all be lawyers to help
bring down your angry feminazi hate groups and see that your all placed in
special abortion killing feilds camps. :-)
Have a nice day...
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23 Jun 2004 04:14:39 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-02A6F2.19025022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Bang out "Sleepy" and you'll have the whole set.
That's one gene pool that the state should have stepped in on.
======================================
With 6 kids you can be sure he's on WELFARE or some state Dole. Each new
child brings in a new and bigger check. They're probably using the church
approved rhythm method.
--
Flower Power.......
ANTI-Feminist definition: "Sick abusive controlling men" -->
adj. 1. A man who consistently supports
UNequal legal rights while opposing feminine equality.
2. Someone losing a debate with a feminist.
3. A woman who refuses to kowtow to ANTI-feminist propaganda.
Usually used as an ad-homonym attack because he has no reply (like Bob).
Translation: "You're wrong, but won't admit it."
Synonyms: terribly confused, defective brain, take the IQ-test, morons,
taking meds,
seek professional help, had one too many hits of crack, etc.
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23 Jun 2004 05:38:51 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@thisNG.edu> wrote in message
news:UNmdnb2iXqFNb0Td4p2dnA@heartoftn.net...
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-02A6F2.19025022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Bang out "Sleepy" and you'll have the whole set.
That's one gene pool that the state should have stepped in on.
======================================
With 6 kids you can be sure he's on WELFARE or some state Dole. Each new
child brings in a new and bigger check. They're probably using the church
approved rhythm method.
Isn't it the other way around, as women in most cases, get the kids and go
on welfare and get other hand outs by using the system to get child support
fraud checks by using extortion as you bloody women are to fucking lazy to
work like I do.
Oh and guess what sweetheart I don't ask the women for one dime, like the
way you lazy women do. You must be really angry that mom doesn't raise the
kids. I work hard for my money doing legal work sweetheart and I is good at
it too, unlike you feminist, who use the state for your checks and seek
handouts to pay for your feminist women's groups using my tax dollars, for
you to promote your misandry but that too, is going to change as men are not
footing the bill for you moron's anymore, and are speaking out to correct
your freebees
examples.
1.) women get pump-up leave the father and seeks child support, same women
find new guy get pump-up leaves that father and seeks child support, ect,
ect, on and on, but does a crappy job with the kids as most end up in jail,
druggy, drunks, prostitutes, and the list goes on.
should I go on you idiot.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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23 Jun 2004 09:03:42 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in message
news:%DnCc.5811$E84.3199@edtnps89...
"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@thisNG.edu> wrote in message
news:UNmdnb2iXqFNb0Td4p2dnA@heartoftn.net...
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-02A6F2.19025022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Bang out "Sleepy" and you'll have the whole set.
That's one gene pool that the state should have stepped in on.
======================================
With 6 kids you can be sure he's on WELFARE or some state Dole. Each
new
child brings in a new and bigger check. They're probably using the
church
approved rhythm method.
=======================================
Isn't it the other way around, as women in most cases, get the kids and go
on welfare and get other hand outs by using the system to get child
support
fraud checks by using extortion as you bloody women are to fucking lazy to
work like I do.
## Hey, you're the one who claims all women who get pregnant should HAVE the
unwanted child - even if society has to support them all - remember? Short
memory? You want them all born so stop bitching about having to support
them.
Oh and guess what sweetheart I don't ask the women for one dime, like the
way you lazy women do.
## First you claim women are too ambitious to sit home with unwanted,
unplanned kids - then you claim women are all too lazy to work. Can't make
up your mind? Confused again? Alzheimer's maybe? If we sit home with
the kids you call us lazy moochers. If we go to work you call us feminists
and worse..... you are one very confused, very unhappy, very miserable
young man.
You must be really angry that mom doesn't raise the
kids. I work hard for my money doing legal work sweetheart
## Your mom? Who's mom? Your kid's mom?
<Your stupid, confused, contradictory, immature, hate-filled rant snipped>
--
Flower Power...
pro-choice (pr-chois)
adj.
Favoring or supporting the legal right of women and girls to choose
whether or not to continue a pregnancy to term.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Pro-Choice
~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~<~~~{@ ~~~<~~~{@
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
-- Robert Anton Wilson
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24 Jun 2004 08:56:50 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@thisNG.edu> wrote in message
news:bcOdnT6A9uMcq0fdRVn-hA@heartoftn.net...
## First you claim women are too ambitious to sit home with unwanted,
unplanned kids - then you claim women are all too lazy to work. Can't
make
up your mind? Confused again?
nope it the feminazi way, can't care for kids and just too dam lazy to work,
like you.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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25 Jun 2004 10:49:30 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in message
news:CDLCc.2568$l6.406@clgrps12...
"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@thisNG.edu> wrote in message
news:bcOdnT6A9uMcq0fdRVn-hA@heartoftn.net...
## First you claim women are too ambitious to sit home with unwanted,
unplanned kids - then you claim women are all too lazy to work. Can't
make
up your mind? Confused again?
nope it the feminazi way, can't care for kids and just too dam lazy to
work,
like you.
========================
Jealous that I'm retired and financially comfortable,... and all you get is
your SSD check? :-)
Too bad....
FP..........
God said:
"Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and
sons shall eat their fathers...I will send famine and wild beasts
against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and
blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I,
the Lord, have spoken." Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17
Did he make them turn to cannibalism? Did he find the aroma as pleasing as
when one
burns an innocent lamb?
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| User: "Harry Ballsac.1a.. Harry" |
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| Title: Re: "Womens rights" Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises Question of Choice for Men |
22 Jun 2004 06:28:31 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-02A6F2.19025022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <SI2Cc.14592$mm3.415@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-E45FE1.18164022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <d02Cc.14559$mm3.1494@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1.." <Harry
Ballsac.1..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-332AF6.16414922062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Z1_Bc.13877$mm3.4263@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac..." <Harry
Ballsac...@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
So you would send all the innocent children to the abortion
killing
fields
wouldn't you rather then raise them, you idiot..
I wouldn't send one. I'm male, not female.
That makes no difference you support abortion as you said if you
were a
women, sheman type you would abort everything out of stupidity.
Correction -- only your offspring, Bob.
I'm not BOB, you idiot, can't you see that or has all that blood got in
your
eyes.
I hope their aren't children in
your custody. I'm concerned for any minor's safety where given your
propensity for volatility.
LOL's I have 6 children who are lovely kids,
Bang out "Sleepy" and you'll have the whole set.
what you trying to say honey, your sounding a bit stupid now.
That's one gene pool that the state should have stepped in on.
That's what the childreno of the world are going to do to you feminiazi
turds, when they grow up.
only because you wacky out
feminazi types haven't corrupted them with your stupidity, and I involve
myself seriously in their schooling, so they can all be lawyers to help
bring down your angry feminazi hate groups and see that your all placed
in
special abortion killing feilds camps. :-)
Have a nice day...
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: "Womens rights" Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises Question of Choice for Men |
23 Jun 2004 04:17:17 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in message
news:zg3Cc.14612$mm3.5792@clgrps13...
That's what the childreno of the world are going to do to you feminiazi
turds, when they grow up.
=========================
They're going to do what? Force everyone to use the same ineffective
birth-control method you use?
--
FP.....
For those seeking the real truth - evolution/magic creation:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
http://talkorigins.org/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#pred4
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/punc-eq.html
<>
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| User: "Harry Ballsac.1a.. Harry" |
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23 Jun 2004 05:38:51 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@thisNG.edu> wrote in message
news:A9qdnYdTOd_5bkTdRVn-sQ@heartoftn.net...
"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in
message
news:zg3Cc.14612$mm3.5792@clgrps13...
That's what the childreno of the world are going to do to you feminiazi
turds, when they grow up.
=========================
They're going to do what? Force everyone to use the same ineffective
birth-control method you use?
nice and now your just the angry little girl again. Gee keep your emotions,
in check will you.
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: "Womens rights" Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises Question of Choice for Men |
22 Jun 2004 08:42:41 PM |
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In article <zg3Cc.14612$mm3.5792@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-02A6F2.19025022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <SI2Cc.14592$mm3.415@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-E45FE1.18164022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <d02Cc.14559$mm3.1494@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1.." <Harry
Ballsac.1..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-332AF6.16414922062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Z1_Bc.13877$mm3.4263@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac..." <Harry
Ballsac...@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
So you would send all the innocent children to the abortion
killing
fields
wouldn't you rather then raise them, you idiot..
I wouldn't send one. I'm male, not female.
That makes no difference you support abortion as you said if you
were a
women, sheman type you would abort everything out of stupidity.
Correction -- only your offspring, Bob.
I'm not BOB, you idiot, can't you see that or has all that blood got in
your
eyes.
I hope their aren't children in
your custody. I'm concerned for any minor's safety where given your
propensity for volatility.
LOL's I have 6 children who are lovely kids,
Bang out "Sleepy" and you'll have the whole set.
what you trying to say honey, your sounding a bit stupid now.
That's one gene pool that the state should have stepped in on.
That's what the childreno of the world are going to do to you feminiazi
turds, when they grow up.
only because you wacky out
feminazi types haven't corrupted them with your stupidity, and I involve
myself seriously in their schooling, so they can all be lawyers to help
bring down your angry feminazi hate groups and see that your all placed
in
special abortion killing feilds camps. :-)
Have a nice day...
blah, blah, blah
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| User: "Harry Ballsac.1a.. Harry" |
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| Title: Re: "Womens rights" Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises Question of Choice for Men |
22 Jun 2004 10:27:16 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-B3DAEA.21433222062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <zg3Cc.14612$mm3.5792@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-02A6F2.19025022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <SI2Cc.14592$mm3.415@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-E45FE1.18164022062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <d02Cc.14559$mm3.1494@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac.1.." <Harry
Ballsac.1..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-332AF6.16414922062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Z1_Bc.13877$mm3.4263@clgrps13>,
"Harry Ballsac..." <Harry
Ballsac...@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob>
wrote:
So you would send all the innocent children to the abortion
killing
fields
wouldn't you rather then raise them, you idiot..
I wouldn't send one. I'm male, not female.
That makes no difference you support abortion as you said if you
were a
women, sheman type you would abort everything out of stupidity.
Correction -- only your offspring, Bob.
I'm not BOB, you idiot, can't you see that or has all that blood got
in
your
eyes.
I hope their aren't children in
your custody. I'm concerned for any minor's safety where given
your
propensity for volatility.
LOL's I have 6 children who are lovely kids,
Bang out "Sleepy" and you'll have the whole set.
what you trying to say honey, your sounding a bit stupid now.
That's one gene pool that the state should have stepped in on.
That's what the childreno of the world are going to do to you feminiazi
turds, when they grow up.
only because you wacky out
feminazi types haven't corrupted them with your stupidity, and I
involve
myself seriously in their schooling, so they can all be lawyers to
help
bring down your angry feminazi hate groups and see that your all
placed
in
special abortion killing feilds camps. :-)
Have a nice day...
blah, blah, blah
Gee, you got tongue tided and slap yourself, cool can we see that in instant
replay
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: "Womens rights" Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises Question of Choice for Men |
23 Jun 2004 04:18:44 PM |
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"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in message
news:oM6Cc.4980$E84.4720@edtnps89...
Gee, you got tongue tided and slap yourself, cool can we see that in
instant
replay
==============
Said like a real cool 14 year old Dude. ;-)
--
FP........
How did we get here?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
=================================
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
[Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
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| User: "Harry Ballsac.1a.. Harry" |
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23 Jun 2004 05:38:51 PM |
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"Flower Power" <FreeTheWomen@thisNG.edu> wrote in message
news:fIOdne5Nn9onbkTdRVn-uw@heartoftn.net...
"Harry Ballsac.1a.." <Harry
Ballsac.1a..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote in
message
news:oM6Cc.4980$E84.4720@edtnps89...
Gee, you got tongue tided and slap yourself, cool can we see that in
instant
replay
==============
Said like a real cool 14 year old Dude. ;-)
Well if I knew you were only 14 years old, I wouldn't expect much for brain
power and no wonder you follow the feminist pack of stupidity....grow up
first then come back when you learn a few facts first girly.
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| User: "Harry Ballsac.1.. Harry" |
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22 Jun 2004 02:50:42 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-475741.07235422062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Y_QBc.1854$E84.773@edtnps89>,
"Harry Ballsac." <Harry
Ballsac.@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises
Question of Choice for Men
By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson
John Stachokus, the Pennsylvania would-be father who lost his bid
to
block his ex-girlfriend's abortion, has found himself in a position
familiar
to millions of American men: He has a large personal stake in a decision
in
which he is not allowed to take any part. His wishes are irrelevant.
When it
comes to reproduction, in America today women have rights and men merely
have responsibilities.
As do I have a vested interest. I deserve a right to have a say in how
your children are raised.
So you would send all those innocent children to the abortion killing fields
wouldn't you, rather then raise them, what an idiot..
Yes Political correctness poses a threat on free expression, and the
constitutional process. Let's call it it what it really is, thought control,
and political cleansing, isn't that what your about
"Freedom of expression is one of the most fundamental rights that
individuals enjoy. It is fundamental to the existence of democracy and the
respect of human dignity. It is also one of the most dangerous rights,
because freedom of expression means the freedom to express one's discontent
with the status quo and the desire to change it."
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: "Womens rights" Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises Question of Choice for Men |
22 Jun 2004 03:47:28 PM |
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In article <m40Cc.8$HS3.1@edtnps84>,
"Harry Ballsac.1.." <Harry
Ballsac.1..@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-475741.07235422062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <Y_QBc.1854$E84.773@edtnps89>,
"Harry Ballsac." <Harry
Ballsac.@the_national_socilaist_news_service.NDPP.gob> wrote:
Pennsylvania Abortion Case Raises
Question of Choice for Men
By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson
John Stachokus, the Pennsylvania would-be father who lost his bid
to
block his ex-girlfriend's abortion, has found himself in a position
familiar
to millions of American men: He has a large personal stake in a decision
in
which he is not allowed to take any part. His wishes are irrelevant.
When it
comes to reproduction, in America today women have rights and men merely
have responsibilities.
As do I have a vested interest. I deserve a right to have a say in how
your children are raised.
So you would send all those innocent children to the abortion killing fields
wouldn't you, rather then raise them, what an idiot..
Be grateful I don't have a uterus. I'd be aborting just to be spiteful.
Yes Political correctness poses a threat on free expression, and the
constitutional process. Let's call it it what it really is, thought control,
and political cleansing, isn't that what your about
Cleansing of what? It's you religious types that kill your offspring 3
to 1.
"Freedom of expression is one of the most fundamental rights that
individuals enjoy. It is fundamental to the existence of democracy and the
respect of human dignity. It is also one of the most dangerous rights,
because freedom of expression means the freedom to express one's discontent
with the status quo and the desire to change it."
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