"Galen Hekhuis" <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 19:32:47 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Galen Hekhuis" <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 19:22:17 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>

wrote:

"Galen Hekhuis" <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 19:13:53 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>

wrote:

...
You help donate I will seek adoption for a unwanted child

How much?

$1000.00 per month

That's what you consider "help"? How much do you plan to contribute?

If Flower Power wants to complain, saying that pro-lifers don't want to
adopt
Then she can help contribute to cover expenses and setting up a college
fund,
and I will adopt.
In other words, is she willing to put her money where her mouth is.

As it is right now, I take care of two families and that is enough for

one

to handle.

Thanks for your thoughts. Would you be kind enough to answer the
questions?

What do I contribute?
A home
Furniture
Clothes
education
Food
Loving family


Oh, and here's another, why is supporting only two families

enough?

I really don't think it is your business, but I will leave at this
It is all I can personally handle at this time.

I take care of my mother and my own family.
Thanks to our government lying to our vets, when my father died my mother
didn't get all that they were promised after his 21 years of faithful
service to our country.
So I help her out

In article <_Lmdnc4QZrtTLwTdRVn-jw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Flower Power" <Freedom@spamless.net> wrote in message
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
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Adoption doesn't work. People don't want these children of sin. How
many children have you adopted?

=================
Children of "sin?* What looney still thinks in those terms? We're not
living in the dark ages anymore. :-) Ask anyone who works with these
unwanted children (Foster Care, special lawyers and Adoption Agencies) the
women/teenager was somehow forced or coerced to bear. Adopting families
want WHITE, healthy infants or very young children. They don't want
minority, disabled or disturbed children.

What about those who have made mistakes and are thrown into prison?
What about those who are forgotten about?
Do you realize that approximately 93% of all people who go to jail are
released back into society?
What do you do to make sure they are taken care of? What do you do to show
that you care for them and
are willing to give them another chance in life?

Just because a judge has sentenced them to serve life, you just think it is
o.k. to forget all about them after they
go behind that wall.
What about all our vietnam vets who served this country and have no home?
What do you do to help them?
What about the starving children and families in the hills of Kentucky? Do
you help them?
Do you care?

This little game you play has a double edged sword. If you are going to
play this little game saying people who
oppose abortion don't care about children, then be prepared to show us how
much you care about the
millions of people who are starving, homeless, behind prison bars waiting to
come back to society.

I work around people who don't get a chance in life when they get out. Why?
Because people turn their backs on them.
They figure once a criminal, always a criminal. They end up coming right
back to jail, because people didn't care enough
to help them.
What do you do to help them? Nothing?

Note - Heishman has never adopted.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/05/malnourished.children.ap/index.html

"Flower Power" <Freedom@spamless.net> wrote in message
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
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Adoption doesn't work. People don't want these children of sin. How
many children have you adopted?

=================
Children of "sin?* What looney still thinks in those terms? We're not
living in the dark ages anymore. :-) Ask anyone who works with these
unwanted children (Foster Care, special lawyers and Adoption Agencies) the
women/teenager was somehow forced or coerced to bear. Adopting families
want WHITE, healthy infants or very young children. They don't want
minority, disabled or disturbed children.

What about those who have made mistakes and are thrown into prison?
What about those who are forgotten about?
Do you realize that approximately 93% of all people who go to jail are
released back into society?
What do you do to make sure they are taken care of? What do you do to show
that you care for them and
are willing to give them another chance in life?
Just because a judge has sentenced them to serve life, you just think it is
o.k. to forget all about them after they
go behind that wall.
What about all our vietnam vets who served this country and have no home?
What do you do to help them?
What about the starving children and families in the hills of Kentucky? Do
you help them?
Do you care?

This little game you play has a double edged sword. If you are going to
play this little game saying people who
oppose abortion don't care about children, then be prepared to show us how
much you care about the
millions of people who are starving, homeless, behind prison bars waiting to
come back to society.

I work around people who don't get a chance in life when they get out. Why?
Because people turn their backs on them.
They figure once a criminal, always a criminal. They end up coming right
back to jail, because people didn't care enough
to help them.
What do you do to help them? Nothing?

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:050520041847546309%

Adoption doesn't work. People don't want these children of sin. How
many children have you adopted?

=================
Children of "sin?* What looney still thinks in those terms? We're not
living in the dark ages anymore. :-) Ask anyone who works with these
unwanted children (Foster Care, special lawyers and Adoption Agencies) the
women/teenager was somehow forced or coerced to bear. Adopting families
want WHITE, healthy infants or very young children. They don't want
minority, disabled or disturbed children.

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:050520041847546309%

Adoption doesn't work. People don't want these children of sin. How
many children have you adopted?

=================
Children of "sin?* What looney still thinks in those terms? We're not
living in the dark ages anymore. :-) Ask anyone who works with these
unwanted children (Foster Care, special lawyers and Adoption Agencies) the
women/teenager was somehow forced or coerced to bear. Adopting families
want WHITE, healthy infants or very young children. They don't want
minority, disabled or disturbed children.

In article <xn0dhy2gm4i7zl001@news.bri.connect.com.au>, Murdoc

She should carry the pregnancy to term. If, once the child is born, she
still doesn't want the child, then put it up for adoption. If, however,
her mind is changed and she does want the child, then she should be
glad she didn't destroy that chance.

Adoption doesn't work. People don't want these children of sin. How
many children have you adopted?

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <xn0dhx0b59gbc6000@news.bri.connect.com.au>, Murdoc
<murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <xn0dhwz247scgk000@news.bri.connect.com.au>, Murdoc
<murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:

Papa Jack wrote:

ABOUT, Women's Issues, Abortion Statistics from Nikki Katz

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionsta
ts.h tm
______________________________________________________________
____ ____ ___ Excerpts:

* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions

Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

* 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want
to postpone childbearing
* 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby<
* 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their
partner does not want a child
* 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or
others object to the pregnancy)
* 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their
education or career
* 7.9% of women want no (more) children
* 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to
fetal health
* 2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to
maternal health

Two things:

1) What about the other 2.1% (97.9% are listed in total above)?

2) According to the above statistics, 91.8% of all abortions
are for 'convenience'. That is, 91.8% of abortions have nothing
to do with the life of either the mother or foetus being in
immediate danger. Disgusting.

Why do you find that "disgusting?" Besides, I don't see the word
"convenience" on that list. That is just more pro-life
propaganda. The lies just never stop with you people, does it?
What are you afraid of?

Read the rest of my post. Notice this sentence:

"That is, 91.8% of abortions have nothing to do with the life of
either the mother or foetus being in immediate danger."

Which you distort into "convenience?" Don't you think that when
someone has to take the truth, and twist it into something else in
order to support their own reality, that indicates their version of
reality is weak?

For example, disruption of career.

Careers are disrupted by an unwanted child. If the person prefers an
career over an unwanted child, isn't she being responsible by having
an abortion?

She would have been more responsible by not getting pregnant in the
first place.

One thing I did notice, though, is that it says:

"12.2% of women are too young (parents or others object to the
pregnancy)"

Now, if a person is old (and mature) enough to have consentual sex,
then the person is old (and mature) enough to care for a child. If
the person is not old enough to care for the child, then that
person should not have sex. Simple.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. What if someone has consensual sex, not
wanting a child, but gets pregnant due to he own "irresponsible
actions," and then wants, while pregnant, to abort the "child." That
is, she wants, as you people love to claim, to "murder" the child.
She wants to continue on her care-free life of sex, drugs, and rock
and roll. She has no interest in the child, no desire for the child.
But still, she finds herself pregnant with an unwanted child. What
does she do now?

She should carry the pregnancy to term. If, once the child is born, she
still doesn't want the child, then put it up for adoption.

her mind is changed and she does want the child, then she should be
glad she didn't destroy that chance.

2) According to the above statistics, 91.8% of all abortions are for
'convenience'. That is, 91.8% of abortions have nothing to do with the
life of either the mother or foetus being in immediate danger.
Disgusting.