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User:	"Papa Jack"
Date:	04 May 2004 11:44:57 AM
Object:	Reasons for Abortions

_ABOUT_, Women's Issues, Abortion Statistics from Nikki Katz
http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
_________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions
Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)
* 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want
to postpone childbearing
* 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby<
* 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their
partner does not want a child
* 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or
others object to the pregnancy)
* 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their
education or career
* 7.9% of women want no (more) children
* 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to
fetal health
* 2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to
maternal health
_________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
At times, Pro-Aborts criticize my statement that many
abortions are done for the convenience of the pregnant
woman's lifestyle -- rather, than for reasons related
to actual emergencies.
That doesn't mean I am not sympathetic to how upsetting
an unwanted pregnancy can be to a woman. I do emphatize
with couples who have reasons not to get pregnant, but
we are talking about homicide and inconvenience is
simply not adequate defense.
Another related point is the fact that almost half of
the women having abortions have previously had one or
more abortions. That reduces my sympathy factor a
great deal.
Thanks for considering my point of view.
.

User: "Flower Power"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	04 May 2004 01:31:47 PM

"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405040844.1fa1f111@posting.google.com...

# Then someone needs to take the time to teach them about effective birth
control methods, no? Would it be better that they bore several unwanted
children that the taxpayers have to support? Do any anti-choicers CARE at
all about the children AFTERWARD?

Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)
* 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want
to postpone childbearing

# Which is good since they will *NOT* bring an unwanted, unloved and
resented child into the world. All children should be wanted and loved.

* 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby<

# And it's good they realize this or they would be stuck in the welfare
poverty rut for years and years.

* 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their
partner does not want a child

# Well, you can't FORCE a man to want an unwanted child. The child would
know it's resented and unloved. Does any anti-choicer CARE about the
children in these sad situations?

* 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or
others object to the pregnancy)
* 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their
education or career

# Isn't it good they see that before having the unplanned, unwanted child
and have their lives ruined? Does any anti-choicer CARE about the future of
these women?

* 7.9% of women want no (more) children

# Very understandable. Not everyone is suited for a house full of children
nor can everyone afford them all.

* 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to
fetal health
* 2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to
maternal health

# It's their choice in the end.

_________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
At times, Pro-Aborts criticize my statement that many
abortions are done for the convenience of the pregnant
woman's lifestyle -- rather, than for reasons related
to actual emergencies.

# What' the difference? It's their body and their life.

That doesn't mean I am not sympathetic to how upsetting
an unwanted pregnancy can be to a woman.

# It can destroy her life and her future.
I do emphatize

with couples who have reasons not to get pregnant, but
we are talking about homicide and inconvenience is
simply not adequate defense.

# No, YOU are talking about homicide as you see homicide.. It's NOT
homicide to them, the Dr. and to the law.

Another related point is the fact that almost half of
the women having abortions have previously had one or
more abortions. That reduces my sympathy factor a
great deal.

# This is a problem. One must ask why the churches and anti-choice groups
have not provided information on birth-control and/or provided FREE BC to
the poor and needy after the FIRST abortion. Can you answer that one?

Thanks for considering my point of view.

# I have but you're not a women and can't walk in their shoes......
--
PQ....
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive
and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to people
and
guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-= Paul Provenza =-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.

User: "Papa Jack"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	08 May 2004 02:16:27 PM

"Flower Power" <controlfree@womans.com> wrote
in message news:<xPWdnZ26qNTPfgrd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...

"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405040844.1fa1f111@posting.google.com...

===================================================================

Papa Jack cited:
_ABOUT_, Women's Issues, Abortion Statistics from Nikki Katz

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
_________________________________________________________________________

Excerpts:
* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# Then someone needs to take the time to teach them about effective birth
control methods, no? Would it be better that they bore several unwanted
children that the taxpayers have to support? Do any anti-choicers CARE at
all about the children AFTERWARD?

===================================================================
Papa Jack asked:
Why do you assume these women don't already know about birth
control methods. Remember, they are mature enough to have
already had a previous abortion. Let's look at AGI again:
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
"CONTRACEPTIVE USE
54% of women having abortions used a contraceptive method
during the month they became pregnant.
76% of pill users and 49% of condom users reported using the
methods inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14%
of condom users reported correct use.11

8% of women having abortions have never used a method of
birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are
young, poor, black, Hispanic or poorly educated.12
"...47% of these (unplanned pregnancies) occur among the 8%
of women at risk of unintended pregnancy who do not practice
contraception...."
Therefore, we see that among the women having abortions, even
those who used a contraceptive method were too often inconsis-
tent in their use. Then, there's the relatively small 7% who
don't use contraceptives who are responsible for 47% of all
pregnancies. Of course, many of the latter group probably
wanted to get pregnant.
===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
...Do any anti-choicers CARE at all about the children AFTERWARD?

===================================================================
Papa Jack responded:
This seems to be another one of those "bumper sticker" slogans
so beloved by Pro-Aborts. They have no basis I've seen for the
slur, but they continue to accuse Pro-Lifers of not caring about
children after they've been born.
Stop and think, Flower, there are millions and millions of PLs.
Do you really believe all of them don't care about born children?
Understand this tactic is nothing but a crude attempt to put your
opponent on the defensive.
===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)
* 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want
to postpone childbearing

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# Which is good since they will *NOT* bring an unwanted,
unloved and resented child into the world. All children
should be wanted and loved.

===================================================================
Papa Jack comments:
It too late AFTER YOU'RE PREGNANT to decide you want to
delay childbearing.
BTW, over 35,000,000 unborn children have been slaughtered
since Roe v. Wade. But, child abuse and neglect stats continue
to be just as high as ever.
You want to kill the unborn children so they won't be abused or
neglected. You're confused about the target. The only way to
stop child abuse and neglect is to get rid of those who abuse
and neglect children.
Maybe we need "chop shops" for abusive parents rather than
for innocent children.
===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
* 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby<

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# And it's good they realize this or they would be stuck
in the welfare poverty rut for years and years.

===================================================================
Papa Jack remarked:
Again, it's a bit late once the woman is pregnant.
Do you realize adoption agencies have long waiting
lists to adopt newborn infants? Most of those on the
lists are fine human beings who simply want a child
to love.
===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
* 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their
partner does not want a child

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# Well, you can't FORCE a man to want an unwanted child. The
child would know it's resented and unloved. Does any anti-choicer
CARE about the children in these sad situations?

===================================================================
Papa Jack smiled:
Here we go again. Flower Power would blame the Pro-Lifers for
the plight of children whose natural fathers didn't want them.
Why don't we first consider the responsibilities of the parents.
The woman shouldn't have been sleeping with a man she wasn't
willing to marry. The man shouldn't have been sleeping with
a woman he wasn't willing to marry.
Again, Flower Power's solution is to protect all the unwanted
unborn children by killing them -- so their parents won't have
to act responsibly.
===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
* 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or
others object to the pregnancy)
* 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their
education or career

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# Isn't it good they see that before having the unplanned, unwanted child
and have their lives ruined? Does any anti-choicer CARE about the future of
these women?

===================================================================
Papa Jack stated:
Doesn't any Pro-Abort CARE about the future of these unborn
children? Frankly, I grow weary of being badgered to CARE
about the happiness and lifestyle of selfish women who are
willing to kill their own offspring for their own convenience.
Again, what about the children? Why don't you CARE about the
children, Flower Power?
===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
* 7.9% of women want no (more) children

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# Very understandable. Not everyone is suited for a house
full of children nor can everyone afford them all.

===================================================================
Papa Jack nodded:
I agree. Then, they should consult with their physicians and
get their tubes tied -- or practice abstinence.
The trouble is that the Culture of Death demands the right
to treat sex in irresponsible ways, to sneer at marriage, and
to kill any unborn children who might be an inconvenience.
I think Americans want to meet higher moral standards
than that.
===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
* 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to
fetal health
* 2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to
maternal health

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# It's their choice in the end.

===================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
It's their choice under Roe v. Wade, but that was one
of the worst legal decisions ever made in the history
of this country.
Again, the majority of Pro-Lifers would reluctantly agree
to making abortion an alternative in cases where the
life of the mother is threatened.
===================================================================

Papa Jack comments:
At times, Pro-Aborts criticize my statement that many
abortions are done for the convenience of the pregnant
woman's lifestyle -- rather, than for reasons related
to actual emergencies.

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# What' the difference? It's their body and their life.

===================================================================
Papa Jack asked:
Were you raised in a Mafia family where homicide was a
natural way to take care of inconveniences?
It's not the body and life of the pregnant woman we're
concerned about here -- it's the body and the life of the
unborn child. Why is that so unimportant in your mind?
===================================================================

Papa Jack comments:
That doesn't mean I am not sympathetic to how upsetting
an unwanted pregnancy can be to a woman.

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# It can destroy her life and her future.

===================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
Nope. It may complicate her life, but it won't destroy it.
That's one of the reasons we need to spend more tax dollars
on Crisis Pregnancy Centers -- to offer a helping hand to
women who find themselves in a crisis pregnancy/
I opened a new thread titled: "Real Alternatives Successful"
telling about a Pennsylvania program to help women before
and AFTER problem pregnancies. Might I suggest you read it?
===================================================================

Papa Jack comments:
I do empathize with couples who have reasons not to
get pregnant, but we are talking about homicide and
inconvenience is simply not adequate defense.

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# No, YOU are talking about homicide as you see homicide..
It's NOT homicide to them, the Dr. and to the law.

===================================================================
Papa Jack responds:
Go to the Nolo legal dictionary at:
http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/dictionary/dictionary_listing.cfm/Term/51AB22D3-86AB-4B55-8648BC28B45909C0/alpha/H
homicide
The killing of one human being by the act or omission of another.
The term applies to ALL such killings, whether criminal or not.
Homicide is considered noncriminal in a number of situations,
including deaths as the result of war and putting someone to
death by the valid sentence of a court. Killing may also be
legally justified or excused, as it is in cases of self-defense or
when someone is killed by another person who is attempting
to prevent a violent felony. Criminal homicide occurs when a
person purposely, knowingly, recklessly or negligently causes
the death of another. Murder and manslaughter are both
examples of criminal homicide.

See Topic: Criminal Law
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~
Go to Law.Com legal dictionary:
http://dictionary.law.com/
homicide
n. the killing of a human being due to the act or
omission of another. Included among homicides
are murder and manslaughter, but not all homi-
cides are a crime, particularly when there is a
lack of criminal intent....
Simply, the word "homicide" can be properly used to
describe any situation where one human kills another
human.
===================================================================

Papa Jack wrote:
Another related point is the fact that almost half of
the women having abortions have previously had one or
more abortions. That reduces my sympathy factor a
great deal.

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# This is a problem. One must ask why the churches and anti-choice groups
have not provided information on birth-control and/or provided FREE BC to
the poor and needy after the FIRST abortion. Can you answer that one?

===================================================================
Papa Jack laughed out loud:
You are persistent, Flower -- persistent in blaming everyone but
the responsible parties when a woman/girl gets pregnant with
an unwanted child.
Do you realize how many $millions$ of $taxpayer$ $dollars$ are
handed to Planned Parenthood to perform that very task. I
read where PP is even infiltrating the Girl Scouts of America
and the YWCA
Thanks for considering my point of view.
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	08 May 2004 03:00:10 PM

In article <6f9e1b49.0405081116.37459318@posting.google.com>, Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:

"Flower Power" <controlfree@womans.com> wrote
in message news:<xPWdnZ26qNTPfgrd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...

"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405040844.1fa1f111@posting.google.com...

===================================================================

Papa Jack cited:
_ABOUT_, Women's Issues, Abortion Statistics from Nikki Katz

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
_________________________________________________________________________

Excerpts:

* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions

===================================================================

===================================================================
Papa Jack asked:
Why do you assume these women don't already know about birth
control methods. Remember, they are mature enough to have
already had a previous abortion. Let's look at AGI again:

http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

"CONTRACEPTIVE USE
54% of women having abortions used a contraceptive method
during the month they became pregnant.

76% of pill users and 49% of condom users reported using the
methods inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14%
of condom users reported correct use.11

8% of women having abortions have never used a method of
birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are
young, poor, black, Hispanic or poorly educated.12

"...47% of these (unplanned pregnancies) occur among the 8%
of women at risk of unintended pregnancy who do not practice
contraception...."

Therefore, we see that among the women having abortions, even
those who used a contraceptive method were too often inconsis-
tent in their use. Then, there's the relatively small 7% who
don't use contraceptives who are responsible for 47% of all
pregnancies. Of course, many of the latter group probably
wanted to get pregnant.

So what? Do you have a point?

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
...Do any anti-choicers CARE at all about the children AFTERWARD?

===================================================================
Papa Jack responded:
This seems to be another one of those "bumper sticker" slogans
so beloved by Pro-Aborts.

Funny how the truth tends to do that.

They have no basis I've seen for the
slur, but they continue to accuse Pro-Lifers of not caring about
children after they've been born.

You vote to cut taxes for women and children for health care. Start
with that. There is much more.

Stop and think, Flower, there are millions and millions of PLs.
Do you really believe all of them don't care about born children?

As a group they vote Republican which clearly doesn't care for them.

Understand this tactic is nothing but a crude attempt to put your
opponent on the defensive.

You started out on the defensive.

===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)
* 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want
to postpone childbearing

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# Which is good since they will *NOT* bring an unwanted,
unloved and resented child into the world. All children
should be wanted and loved.

===================================================================
Papa Jack comments:
It too late AFTER YOU'RE PREGNANT to decide you want to
delay childbearing.

It isn't too late. That is what abortion is all about.

BTW, over 35,000,000 unborn children have been slaughtered
since Roe v. Wade. But, child abuse and neglect stats continue
to be just as high as ever.

Abortion is down since Roe. It was way down under Clinton and is
moving up again. Some say it is because of the Bush economy. Who
cares? It is moving up.

You want to kill the unborn children so they won't be abused or
neglected. You're confused about the target. The only way to
stop child abuse and neglect is to get rid of those who abuse
and neglect children.

That would be YOU.

Maybe we need "chop shops" for abusive parents rather than
for innocent children.

Maybe we need to get rid of you.

===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
* 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby<

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# And it's good they realize this or they would be stuck
in the welfare poverty rut for years and years.

===================================================================
Papa Jack remarked:
Again, it's a bit late once the woman is pregnant.

No it isn't. Se above.

Do you realize adoption agencies have long waiting
lists to adopt newborn infants?

Healthy, young white infants.

Most of those on the
lists are fine human beings who simply want a child
to love.

Here's a family here:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/06/malnourished.children/index.html

===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
* 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their
partner does not want a child

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# Well, you can't FORCE a man to want an unwanted child. The
child would know it's resented and unloved. Does any anti-choicer
CARE about the children in these sad situations?

Not into taking responsibility for your actions, are you?

Why don't we first consider the responsibilities of the parents.
The woman shouldn't have been sleeping with a man she wasn't
willing to marry. The man shouldn't have been sleeping with
a woman he wasn't willing to marry.

LOL!!! Says Papa_Jack. Those two lose any responsibility when they
try to take that on that responsibility by having an abortion and YOU
interfere. Now it is your responsibility.

Again, Flower Power's solution is to protect all the unwanted
unborn children by killing them -- so their parents won't have
to act responsibly.

And then cut funding to the children so people like you don't have to
pay for your actions.

===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
* 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or
others object to the pregnancy)
* 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their
education or career

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# Isn't it good they see that before having the unplanned, unwanted child
and have their lives ruined? Does any anti-choicer CARE about the future of
these women?

===================================================================
Papa Jack stated:
Doesn't any Pro-Abort CARE about the future of these unborn
children?

Pro-choicers care - that is why we leave the choice to the mother and
not some senile old man who has a hang up about sex and women.

Frankly, I grow weary of being badgered to CARE
about the happiness and lifestyle of selfish women who are
willing to kill their own offspring for their own convenience.

So instead you hope to force these selfish women who are willing to
kill their own offspring to care for that very unwanted child. You
care SO MUCH about the child, don't you?

Again, what about the children?

No *****. What about them?

Why don't you CARE about the
children, Flower Power?

She cares - you don't.

===================================================================

Papa Jack quoted:
* 7.9% of women want no (more) children

===================================================================

Flower Power wrote:
# Very understandable. Not everyone is suited for a house
full of children nor can everyone afford them all.

===================================================================
Papa Jack nodded:
I agree. Then, they should consult with their physicians and
get their tubes tied -- or practice abstinence.

I have a better idea. Lets have your fingers amputated so you can't
type this drivel.

The trouble is that the Culture of Death demands the right
to treat sex in irresponsible ways, to sneer at marriage, and
to kill any unborn children who might be an inconvenience.

"Culture of Death" "Chop Shop" LOL!

I think Americans want to meet higher moral standards
than that.

Then let them CHOOSE to do so. Or don't you really think that?
bored...
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	08 May 2004 05:39:48 PM

Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:

"Flower Power" <controlfree@womans.com> wrote
in message news:<xPWdnZ26qNTPfgrd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...

"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405040844.1fa1f111@posting.google.com...

===================================================================

Papa Jack cited:
_ABOUT_, Women's Issues, Abortion Statistics from Nikki Katz

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
_________________________________________________________________________

Excerpts:

* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions

Why do you assume these women don't already know about birth
control methods.

because anti-sex religious fanatics like yourself screedh bloody
murder every time a teenager is shown a condom?

Remember, they are mature enough to have
already had a previous abortion.

What a bizarre statement. An abortion somehow gives onw knowledge of
contraception?

Let's look at AGI again:

[...]

...Do any anti-choicers CARE at all about the children AFTERWARD?

This seems to be another one of those "bumper sticker" slogans

"No", in other words.

They have no basis I've seen for the
slur,

What "slur", Jackass? It's a simple question. One which you don't
seem to be able to answer.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "M is for Malapert"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	11 May 2004 01:10:46 PM

Piggybacking...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c7jnjj$mm6$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:

* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions

Not quite true: 48 percent of women having abortions in the US in 2001 had
already had at least one previous abortion, "including 36% who had
experienced both a previous birth and an abortion and 12% who had
experienced only a previous abortion. ...The majority of women obtaining
abortions had had one or more previous births--61%, up from 55% in 1994."
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3422602.html
Why this is considered at all relevant is beyond me.
.

User: "Mizzyandrea"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	11 May 2004 06:43:57 PM

Not quite true: 48 percent of women having abortions in the US in 2001 had
already had at least one previous abortion, "including 36% who had
experienced both a previous birth and an abortion and 12% who had
experienced only a previous abortion. ...The majority of women obtaining
abortions had had one or more previous births--61%, up from 55% in 1994."
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3422602.html
***************************
This tends to blow smoke up the asses of idiots who claim American women use
abortion for birth control.
In Russia women use it for birth control...... there, the average woman has
about 50 abortions a life time.
.

User: "Mark Sebree"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	12 May 2004 12:38:50 PM

(Mizzyandrea) wrote in message news:<20040511194357.17672.00000770@mb-m23.aol.com>...

Not quite true: 48 percent of women having abortions in the US in 2001 had
already had at least one previous abortion, "including 36% who had
experienced both a previous birth and an abortion and 12% who had
experienced only a previous abortion. ...The majority of women obtaining
abortions had had one or more previous births--61%, up from 55% in 1994."
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3422602.html

***************************
This tends to blow smoke up the asses of idiots who claim American women use
abortion for birth control.
In Russia women use it for birth control...... there, the average woman has
about 50 abortions a life time.

And that fact blows holes in another favorite "argument" of theirs.
If abortions supposedly increase the risk of breast cancer, then why
is there not a much higher insidence of breat cancer in Russia than in
the USA?
Answer: because abortion does not increase the risk of breast cancer.
Mark Sebree
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	12 May 2004 01:10:30 PM

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:c30d43e8.0405120938.aac07c1@posting.google.com...

mizzyandrea@aol.com (Mizzyandrea) wrote in message

news:<20040511194357.17672.00000770@mb-m23.aol.com>...

Not quite true: 48 percent of women having abortions in the US in 2001

had

already had at least one previous abortion, "including 36% who had
experienced both a previous birth and an abortion and 12% who had
experienced only a previous abortion. ...The majority of women obtaining
abortions had had one or more previous births--61%, up from 55% in

1994."

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3422602.html

***************************
This tends to blow smoke up the asses of idiots who claim American women

use

abortion for birth control.
In Russia women use it for birth control...... there, the average woman

has

about 50 abortions a life time.

And that fact blows holes in another favorite "argument" of theirs.
If abortions supposedly increase the risk of breast cancer, then why
is there not a much higher insidence of breat cancer in Russia than in
the USA?

Answer: because abortion does not increase the risk of breast cancer.

Mark Sebree

There are risk to having an abortion
Now regarding the cancer risk, I don't know and I don't think that medical
professionals are absolutely sure yet either.
There are conflicting reports and the study still continues.
Here is some interesting information I have found
DEATH: According to the best record based study of deaths following
pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who
abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following year
than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In addition, women who carry
to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not pregnant.(16)
(Click here for more details on this important study.)
http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V8/n2/finland.html
Also found, and sources are listed below
CERVICAL, OVARIAN, AND LIVER CANCER:
Women with one abortion face a 2.3 relative risk of cervical cancer,
compared to non-aborted women, and women with two or more abortions face a
4.92 relative risk. Similar elevated risks of ovarian and liver cancer have
also been linked to single and multiple abortions. These increased cancer
rates for post-aborted women are apparently linked to the unnatural
disruption of the hormonal changes which accompany pregnancy and untreated
cervical damage.(4)
UTERINE PERFORATION:
Between 2 and 3% of all abortion patients may suffer perforation of their
uterus, yet most of these injuries will remain undiagnosed and untreated
unless laparoscopic visualization is performed.(5) Such an examination may
be useful when beginning an abortion malpractice suit. The risk of uterine
perforation is increased for women who have previously given birth and for
those who receive general anesthesia at the time of the abortion.(6) Uterine
damage may result in complications in later pregnancies and may eventually
evolve into problems which require a hysterectomy, which itself may result
in a number of additional complications and injuries including osteoporosis.
CERVICAL LACERATIONS:
Significant cervical lacerations requiring sutures occur in at least one
percent of first trimester abortions. Lesser lacerations, or micro
fractures, which would normally not be treated may also result in long term
reproductive damage. Latent post-abortion cervical damage may result in
subsequent cervical incompetence, premature delivery, and complications of
labor. The risk of cervical damage is greater for teenagers, for second
trimester abortions, and when practitioners fail to use laminaria for
dilation of the cervix.(7)
PLACENTA PREVIA:
Abortion increases the risk of placenta previa in later pregnancies (a life
threatening condition for both the mother and her wanted pregnancy) by seven
to fifteen fold. Abnormal development of the placenta due to uterine damage
increases the risk of fetal malformation, perinatal death, and excessive
bleeding during labor.(8)
COMPLICATIONS OF LABOR: Women who had one, two, or more previous induced
abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.66, or 2.03 times more likely to have a
subsequent pre-term delivery, compared to women who carry to term. Prior
induced abortion not only increased the risk of premature delivery, it also
increased the risk of delayed delivery. Women who had one, two, or more
induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.61, and 2.23 times more likely
to have a post-term delivery (over 42 weeks).(17) Pre-term delivery
increases the risk of neo-natal death and handicaps.
HANDICAPPED NEWBORNS IN LATER PREGNANCIES:
Abortion is associated with cervical and uterine damage which may increase
the risk of premature delivery, complications of labor and abnormal
development of the placenta in later pregnancies. These reproductive
complications are the leading causes of handicaps among newborns.(9)
ECTOPIC PREGNANCY:
Abortion is significantly related to an increased risk of subsequent ectopic
pregnancies. Ectopic pregnancies, in turn, are life threatening and may
result in reduced fertility.(10)
PELVIC INFLAMMATORY DISEASE (PID):
PID is a potentially life threatening disease which can lead to an increased
risk of ectopic pregnancy and reduced fertility. Of patients who have a
chlamydia infection at the time of the abortion, 23% will develop PID within
4 weeks. Studies have found that 20 to 27% of patients seeking abortion have
a chlamydia infection. Approximately 5% of patients who are not infected by
chlamydia develop PID within 4 weeks after a first trimester abortion. It is
therefore reasonable to expect that abortion providers should screen for and
treat such infections prior to an abortion.(11)
ENDOMETRITIS:
Endometritis is a post-abortion risk for all women, but especially for
teenagers, who are 2.5 times more likely than women 20-29 to acquire
endometritis following abortion.(12)
IMMEDIATE COMPLICATIONS:
Approximately 10% of women undergoing elective abortion will suffer
immediate complications, of which approximately one-fifth (2%) are
considered life threatening. The nine most common major complications which
can occur at the time of an abortion are: infection, excessive bleeding,
embolism, ripping or perforation of the uterus, anesthesia complications,
convulsions, hemorrhage, cervical injury, and endotoxic shock. The most
common "minor" complications include: infection, bleeding, fever, second
degree burns, chronic abdominal pain, vomiting, gastro-intestinal
disturbances, and Rh sensitization.(13)
INCREASED RISKS FOR WOMEN SEEKING MULTIPLE ABORTIONS:
In general, most of the studies cited above reflect risk factors for women
who undergo a single abortion. These same studies show that women who have
multiple abortions face a much greater risk of experiencing these
complications. This point is especially noteworthy since approximately 45%
of all abortions are for repeat aborters.
LOWER GENERAL HEALTH:
In a survey of 1428 women researchers found that pregnancy loss, and
particularly losses due to induced abortion, was significantly associated
with an overall lower health. Multiple abortions correlated to an even lower
evaluation of "present health." While miscarriage was detrimental to health,
abortion was found to have a greater correlation to poor health. These
findings support previous research which reported that during the year
following an abortion women visited their family doctors 80% more for all
reasons and 180% more for psychosocial reasons. The authors also found that
"if a partner is present and not supportive, the miscarriage rate is more
than double and the abortion rate is four times greater than if he is
present and supportive. If the partner is absent the abortion rate is six
times greater." (15)
This finding is supported by a 1984 study that examined the amount of health
care sought by women during a year before and a year after their induced
abortions. The researchers found that on average, there was an 80 percent
increase in the number of doctor visits and a 180 percent increase in doctor
visits for psychosocial reasons after abortion.(18)
INCREASED RISK FOR CONTRIBUTING HEALTH RISK FACTORS:
Abortion is significantly linked to behavioral changes such as promiscuity,
smoking, drug abuse, and eating disorders which all contribute to increased
risks of health problems. For example, promiscuity and abortion are each
linked to increased rates of PID and ectopic pregnancies. Which contributes
most is unclear, but apportionment may be irrelevant if the promiscuity is
itself a reaction to post- abortion trauma or loss of self esteem.
INCREASED RISKS FOR TEENAGERS:
Teenagers, who account for about 30 percent of all abortions, are also at
much high risk of suffering many abortion related complications. This is
true of both immediate complications, and of long-term reproductive
damage.(14)
NOTES
1. An excellent resource for any attorney involved in abortion malpractice
is Thomas Strahan's Major Articles and Books Concerning the Detrimental
Effects of Abortion (Rutherford Institute, PO Box 7482, Charlottesville, VA
22906-7482, (804) 978-388.) This resource includes brief summaries of major
finding drawn from medical and psychology journal articles, books, and
related materials, divided into major categories of relevant injuries.
2. Kaunitz, "Causes of Maternal Mortality in the United States," Obstetrics
and Gynecology, 65(5) May 1985.
3. H.L. Howe, et al., "Early Abortion and Breast Cancer Risk Among Women
Under Age 40," International Journal of Epidemiology 18(2):300-304 (1989);
L.I. Remennick, "Induced Abortion as A Cancer Risk Factor: A Review of
Epidemiological Evidence," Journal of Epidemiological Community Health,
(1990); M.C. Pike, "Oral Contraceptive Use and Early Abortion as Risk
Factors for Breast Cancer in Young Women," British Journal of Cancer 43:72
(1981).
4. M-G, Le, et al., "Oral Contraceptive Use and Breast or Cervical Cancer:
Preliminary Results of a French Case- Control Study, Hormones and Sexual
Factors in Human Cancer Etiology, ed. JP Wolff, et al., Excerpta Medica: New
York (1984) pp.139-147; F. Parazzini, et al., "Reproductive Factors and the
Risk of Invasive and Intraepithelial Cervical Neoplasia," British Journal of
Cancer, 59:805-809 (1989); H.L. Stewart, et al., "Epidemiology of Cancers of
the Uterine Cervix and Corpus, Breast and Ovary in Israel and New York
City," Journal of the National Cancer Institute 37(1):1-96; I. Fujimoto, et
al., "Epidemiologic Study of Carcinoma in Situ of the Cervix," Journal of
Reproductive Medicine 30(7):535 (July 1985); N. Weiss, "Events of
Reproductive Life and the Incidence of Epithelial Ovarian Cancer," Am. J. of
Epidemiology, 117(2):128-139 (1983); V. Beral, et al., "Does Pregnancy
Protect Against Ovarian Cancer," The Lancet, May 20, 1978, pp. 1083-1087; C.
LaVecchia, et al., "Reproductive Factors and the Risk of Hepatocellular
Carcinoma in Women," International Journal of Cancer, 52:351, 1992.
5. S. Kaali, et al., "The Frequency and Management of Uterine Perforations
During First-Trimester Abortions," Am. J. Obstetrics and Gynecology
161:406-408, August 1989; M. White, "A Case-Control Study of Uterine
Perforations documented at Laparoscopy," Am. J. Obstetrics and Gynecology
129:623 (1977).
6. D. Grimes, et al., "Prevention of uterine perforation During Curettage
Abortion," JAMA, 251:2108-2111 (1984); D. Grimes, et al.,"Local versus
General Anesthesia: Which is Safer For Performing Suction Abortions?" Am. J.
of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 135:1030 (1979).
7. K. Schulz, et al., "Measures to Prevent Cervical Injuries During Suction
Curettage Abortion," The Lancet, May 28, 1983, pp 1182-1184; W. Cates, "The
Risks Associated with Teenage Abortion," New England Journal of Medicine,
309(11):612-624; R. Castadot, "Pregnancy Termination: Techniques, Risks, and
Complications and Their Management," Fertility and Sterility, 45(1):5-16
(1986).
8. Barrett, et al., "Induced Abortion: A Risk Factor for Placenta Previa",
American Journal of Ob&Gyn. 141:7 (1981).
9. Hogue, Cates and Tietze, "Impact of Vacuum Aspiration Abortion on Future
Childbearing: A Review", Family Planning Perspectives (May-June
1983),vol.15, no.3.
10. Daling,et.al., "Ectopic Pregnancy in Relation to Previous Induced
Abortion", JAMA, 253(7):1005-1008 (Feb. 15, 1985); Levin, et.al., "Ectopic
Pregnancy and Prior Induced Abortion", American Journal of Public Health
(1982), vol.72,p253; C.S. Chung, "Induced Abortion and Ectopic Pregnancy in
Subsequent Pregnancies," American Journal of Epidemiology 115(6):879-887
(1982)
11. T. Radberg, et al., "Chlamydia Trachomatis in Relation to Infections
Following First Trimester Abortions," Acta Obstricia Gynoecological (Supp.
93), 54:478 (1980); L. Westergaard, "Significance of Cervical Chlamydia
Trachomatis Infection in Post-abortal Pelvic Inflammatory Disease,"
Obstetrics and Gynecology, 60(3):322-325, (1982); M. Chacko, et al.,
"Chlamydia Trachomatosis Infection in Sexually Active Adolescents:
Prevalence and Risk Factors," Pediatrics, 73(6), (1984); M. Barbacci, et
al., "Post- Abortal Endometritis and Isolation of Chlamydia Trachomatis,"
Obstetrics and Gynecology 68(5):668-690, (1986); S. Duthrie, et al.,
"Morbidity After Termination of Pregnancy in First-Trimester," Genitourinary
Medicine 63(3):182-187, (1987).
12. Burkman, et al., "Morbidity Risk Among Young Adolescents Undergoing
Elective Abortion" Contraception, 30:99-105 (1984); "Post-Abortal
Endometritis and Isolation of Chlamydia Trachomatis," Obstetrics and
Gynecology 68(5):668- 690, (1986)
13. Frank, et.al., "Induced Abortion Operations and Their Early Sequelae",
Journal of the Royal College of General Practitioners (April
1985),35(73):175-180; Grimes and Cates, "Abortion: Methods and
Complications", Human Reproduction, 2nd ed., 796-813; M.A. Freedman,
"Comparison of complication rates in first trimester abortions performed by
physician assistants and physicians," Am. J. Public Health, 76(5):550- 554
(1986).
14. Wadhera, "Legal Abortion Among Teens, 1974-1978", Canadian Medical
Association Journal, 122:1386-1389,(June 1980).
15. Ney, et.al., "The Effects of Pregnancy Loss on Women's Health," Soc.
Sci. Med. 48(9):1193-1200, 1994; Badgley, Caron, & Powell, Report of the
Committee on the Abortion Law, Supply and Services, Ottawa, 1997: 319-321.
16. Gissler, M., et. al., "Pregnancy-associated deaths in Finland
1987-1994 -- definition problems and benefits of record linkage," Acta
Obsetricia et Gynecolgica Scandinavica 76:651-657 (1997).
17. Zhou, Weijin, et. al., "Induced Abortion and Subsequent Pregnancy
Duration," Obstetrics & Gynecology 94(6):948-953 (Dec. 1999).
18. D. Berkeley, P.L. Humphreys, and D. Davidson, "Demands Made on General
Practice by Women Before and After an Abortion," J. R. Coll. Gen. Pract.
34:310-315, 1984.
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Compiled by David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
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User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	13 May 2004 12:47:57 AM

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message

And that fact blows holes in another favorite "argument" of theirs.
If abortions supposedly increase the risk of breast cancer, then why
is there not a much higher insidence of breat cancer in Russia than in
the USA?

Answer: because abortion does not increase the risk of breast cancer.

There are risk to having an abortion

There are risks to being alive.

Now regarding the cancer risk, I don't know and I don't think that medical
professionals are absolutely sure yet either.

Nothing is medicine is "absolutely sure".

There are conflicting reports and the study still continues.

The consensus is that there is no link between abortion and cancer.

Here is some interesting information I have found

It's propaganda from pro-lie web sites.

DEATH: According to the best record based study of deaths following
pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who
abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following year
than women who carry their pregnancies to term.

This keeps coming up and I keep asking: How does an abortion cause a
women to be more likely to be murdered?

Also found, and sources are listed below

More crap.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	13 May 2004 12:55:54 AM

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c7v26c$u6b$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message

And that fact blows holes in another favorite "argument" of theirs.
If abortions supposedly increase the risk of breast cancer, then why
is there not a much higher insidence of breat cancer in Russia than in
the USA?

Answer: because abortion does not increase the risk of breast cancer.

There are risk to having an abortion

There are risks to being alive.

Yea and?
Staying alive is natural
Induced abortion is not

Now regarding the cancer risk, I don't know and I don't think that

medical

professionals are absolutely sure yet either.

Nothing is medicine is "absolutely sure".

No kidding

There are conflicting reports and the study still continues.

The consensus is that there is no link between abortion and cancer.

That is the consensus, we don't know for sure though

Here is some interesting information I have found

It's propaganda from pro-lie web sites.

anything that can show risk to abortion or possibly sway a persons opinion
is going to be considered propaganda by you. That is because you are
narrow minded.

DEATH: According to the best record based study of deaths following
pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women

who

abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following

year

than women who carry their pregnancies to term.

This keeps coming up and I keep asking: How does an abortion cause a
women to be more likely to be murdered?

Also found, and sources are listed below

More crap.

More denial (proof is Ray snipping it)
.

User: "olivia"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	13 May 2004 06:40:01 AM

"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<Ga-dnfdywpQikD7dRVn_iw@comcast.com>...

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c7v26c$u6b$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message

And that fact blows holes in another favorite "argument" of theirs.
If abortions supposedly increase the risk of breast cancer, then why
is there not a much higher insidence of breat cancer in Russia than in
the USA?

Answer: because abortion does not increase the risk of breast cancer.

There are risk to having an abortion

There are risks to being alive.

Yea and?
Staying alive is natural
Induced abortion is not

Now regarding the cancer risk, I don't know and I don't think that

medical

professionals are absolutely sure yet either.

Nothing is medicine is "absolutely sure".

No kidding

There are conflicting reports and the study still continues.

The consensus is that there is no link between abortion and cancer.

That is the consensus, we don't know for sure though

Here is some interesting information I have found

It's propaganda from pro-lie web sites.

anything that can show risk to abortion or possibly sway a persons opinion
is going to be considered propaganda by you. That is because you are
narrow minded.

DEATH: According to the best record based study of deaths following
pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women

who

abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following

year

than women who carry their pregnancies to term.

This keeps coming up and I keep asking: How does an abortion cause a
women to be more likely to be murdered?

Also found, and sources are listed below

More crap.

More denial (proof is Ray snipping it)

There are many reason for abortion. There are some women who decide it
just because they are affraid about responsabilities they have to
face. Some it's because they are in relationship with a man who
does'nt want child or the influence of the environment for example how
do people will react.
But the abortion still remain a tragedy
.

User: "MyTwoAngels"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	13 May 2004 06:42:28 AM

On 13 May 2004 04:40:01 -0700,

(olivia) wrote:

"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<Ga-dnfdywpQikD7dRVn_iw@comcast.com>...

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c7v26c$u6b$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message

And that fact blows holes in another favorite "argument" of theirs.
If abortions supposedly increase the risk of breast cancer, then why
is there not a much higher insidence of breat cancer in Russia than in
the USA?

Answer: because abortion does not increase the risk of breast cancer.

There are risk to having an abortion

There are risks to being alive.

Yea and?
Staying alive is natural
Induced abortion is not

Now regarding the cancer risk, I don't know and I don't think that

medical

professionals are absolutely sure yet either.

Nothing is medicine is "absolutely sure".

No kidding

There are conflicting reports and the study still continues.

The consensus is that there is no link between abortion and cancer.

That is the consensus, we don't know for sure though

Here is some interesting information I have found

It's propaganda from pro-lie web sites.

anything that can show risk to abortion or possibly sway a persons opinion
is going to be considered propaganda by you. That is because you are
narrow minded.

DEATH: According to the best record based study of deaths following
pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women

who

abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following

year

than women who carry their pregnancies to term.

This keeps coming up and I keep asking: How does an abortion cause a
women to be more likely to be murdered?

Also found, and sources are listed below

More crap.

More denial (proof is Ray snipping it)

There's a tragic alternative.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	14 May 2004 12:57:40 AM

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c7v26c$u6b$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message

And that fact blows holes in another favorite "argument" of theirs.
If abortions supposedly increase the risk of breast cancer, then why
is there not a much higher insidence of breat cancer in Russia than in
the USA?

Answer: because abortion does not increase the risk of breast cancer.

There are risk to having an abortion

There are risks to being alive.

Yea and?
Staying alive is natural
Induced abortion is not

Not much insterested in your ignorant opinions.
Dying is natural. Everybody does it.
Murder is still a crime.

There are conflicting reports and the study still continues.

The consensus is that there is no link between abortion and cancer.

That is the consensus, we don't know for sure though

Death and taxes.

Here is some interesting information I have found

It's propaganda from pro-lie web sites.

anything that can show risk to abortion or possibly sway a persons opinion

You're such a stupid ***** that you cannot even admnit you're wrong
when you admit that you're wrong.

DEATH: According to the best record based study of deaths following
pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women

who

abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following

year

than women who carry their pregnancies to term.

This keeps coming up and I keep asking: How does an abortion cause a
women to be more likely to be murdered?

No answer, coward?
Again the pro-liar spews his propaganda then runs away.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	14 May 2004 09:16:25 AM

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c81n4j$7vc$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c7v26c$u6b$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message

the USA?

Answer: because abortion does not increase the risk of breast

cancer.

There are risk to having an abortion

There are risks to being alive.

Yea and?
Staying alive is natural
Induced abortion is not

Not much insterested in your ignorant opinions.

But yet you spend your days and hours reading my post and replying

Dying is natural. Everybody does it.

We are not talking about dying

Murder is still a crime.

Yea, and?

There are conflicting reports and the study still continues.

The consensus is that there is no link between abortion and cancer.

That is the consensus, we don't know for sure though

Death and taxes.

Yea and?

Here is some interesting information I have found

It's propaganda from pro-lie web sites.

anything that can show risk to abortion or possibly sway a persons

opinion

You're such a stupid ***** that you cannot even admnit you're wrong
when you admit that you're wrong.

I am not wrong, anything that can show a risk with abortion...you are going
to call it propaganda

DEATH: According to the best record based study of deaths following
pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland,

women

who

abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following

year

than women who carry their pregnancies to term.

This keeps coming up and I keep asking: How does an abortion cause a
women to be more likely to be murdered?

No answer, coward?

I thought you were not interested in my opinion? Now you want it

Again the pro-liar spews his propaganda then runs away.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	14 May 2004 11:34:58 PM

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c81n4j$7vc$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c7v26c$u6b$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message

the USA?

Answer: because abortion does not increase the risk of breast

cancer.

There are risk to having an abortion

There are risks to being alive.

Yea and?
Staying alive is natural
Induced abortion is not

Not much insterested in your ignorant opinions.

But yet you spend your days and hours reading my post and replying

LOL! What an ego!

Dying is natural. Everybody does it.

We are not talking about dying

Run away, coward.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	15 May 2004 12:43:14 PM

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c81n4j$7vc$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c7v26c$u6b$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message

And that fact blows holes in another favorite "argument" of

theirs.

If abortions supposedly increase the risk of breast cancer, then

why

is there not a much higher insidence of breat cancer in Russia

than

the USA?

Answer: because abortion does not increase the risk of breast

cancer.

There are risk to having an abortion

There are risks to being alive.

Yea and?
Staying alive is natural
Induced abortion is not

Not much insterested in your ignorant opinions.

But yet you spend your days and hours reading my post and replying

LOL! What an ego!

Dying is natural. Everybody does it.

We are not talking about dying

Run away, coward.

I thought you said you were not interested in my opinions???
Why do you read them and respond then?
.

User: "Murdoc"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	09 May 2004 04:49:41 PM

Ray Fischer wrote:

Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:

"Flower Power" <controlfree@womans.com> wrote
in message news:<xPWdnZ26qNTPfgrd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...

"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
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===================================================================

Papa Jack cited:
ABOUT, Women's Issues, Abortion Statistics from Nikki Katz

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
____________________________________________________________________
_____

Excerpts:

* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions

# Then someone needs to take the time to teach them about

effective birth >> control methods, no? Would it be better that they
bore several unwanted >> children that the taxpayers have to support?
Do any anti-choicers CARE at >> all about the children AFTERWARD?

Why do you assume these women don't already know about birth
control methods.

because anti-sex religious fanatics like yourself screedh bloody
murder every time a teenager is shown a condom?

'anti-sex religious fanatics'? Hmm, I don't know of any religion that
is anti-sex. Did you have any in mind, Ray?
I do know that Cathlocs believe that sex should only be done for
pro-creation purposes (and even that view is not 'anti-sex'), but that
is not the view of all christian beliefs.
"Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great.
And if a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate."
--Monty Python's 'The Meaning Of Life'

Remember, they are mature enough to have
already had a previous abortion.

What a bizarre statement. An abortion somehow gives onw knowledge of
contraception?

"47% of abortions are performed on women who have already had one or
more abortions"
Of course, you would have seen that had you bothered to look.
<snipped rest>
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties,
nations and epochs, it is the rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a
compassion for them, on account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	10 May 2004 09:37:44 PM

Murdoc <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:

"Flower Power" <controlfree@womans.com> wrote
in message news:<xPWdnZ26qNTPfgrd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...

"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405040844.1fa1f111@posting.google.com...

===================================================================

Papa Jack cited:
ABOUT, Women's Issues, Abortion Statistics from Nikki Katz

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
____________________________________________________________________
_____

Excerpts:

* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions

# Then someone needs to take the time to teach them about

Why do you assume these women don't already know about birth
control methods.

because anti-sex religious fanatics like yourself screedh bloody
murder every time a teenager is shown a condom?

'anti-sex religious fanatics'? Hmm, I don't know of any religion that
is anti-sex. Did you have any in mind, Ray?

Yes.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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User: "Murdoc"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	11 May 2004 06:55:48 AM

In a land far, far away, Ray Fischer once declared that:
#--Murdoc <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:
#--#--Ray Fischer wrote:
#--#--
#--#--#-- Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
#--#--#-- >> "Flower Power" <controlfree@womans.com> wrote
#--#--#-- >> in message news:<xPWdnZ26qNTPfgrd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...
#--#--#-- >>> "Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
#--#--#-- >>> news:6f9e1b49.0405040844.1fa1f111@posting.google.com...
#--#--#-- >
#--#--#-- >
#--#--#--===============================================================
===
#--#--#--= >>> Papa Jack cited: >>> ABOUT, Women's Issues, Abortion
#--#--#--Statistics from Nikki Katz >
#--#--#-- >
#--#--#-- >
#--#--#--http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstat
s.h
#--#--#--tm >
#--#--#--_______________________________________________________________
___
#--#--#--__ > _____ >>> Excerpts: >
#--#--#-- >>> * 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
#--#--#-- >>> already had one or more abortions
#--#--#-- >
#--#--#-- >> # Then someone needs to take the time to teach them about
#--#--#-- effective birth >> control methods, no? Would it be better
that
#--#--#--they bore several unwanted >> children that the taxpayers have
#--#--#--to support? Do any anti-choicers CARE at >> all about the
#--#--#--children AFTERWARD? >
#--#--#-- > Why do you assume these women don't already know about birth
#--#--#-- > control methods.
#--#--#--
#--#--#-- because anti-sex religious fanatics like yourself screedh
bloody
#--#--#-- murder every time a teenager is shown a condom?
#--#--
#--#--'anti-sex religious fanatics'? Hmm, I don't know of any religion
#--#--that is anti-sex. Did you have any in mind, Ray?
#--
#--Yes.
And these religions are ... ? Be specific now.
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties,
nations and epochs, it is the rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a
compassion for them, on account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.

User: "MyTwoAngels"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	09 May 2004 06:20:38 PM

On 9 May 2004 21:49:41 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:

"Flower Power" <controlfree@womans.com> wrote
in message news:<xPWdnZ26qNTPfgrd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...

"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405040844.1fa1f111@posting.google.com...

===================================================================

Papa Jack cited:
ABOUT, Women's Issues, Abortion Statistics from Nikki Katz

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
____________________________________________________________________
_____

Excerpts:

* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions

# Then someone needs to take the time to teach them about

Why do you assume these women don't already know about birth
control methods.

because anti-sex religious fanatics like yourself screedh bloody
murder every time a teenager is shown a condom?

'anti-sex religious fanatics'?

Yes.
.

User: "Lawrence E. McKnight"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	09 May 2004 06:03:03 PM

On 9 May 2004 21:49:41 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:

"Flower Power" <controlfree@womans.com> wrote
in message news:<xPWdnZ26qNTPfgrd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...

"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405040844.1fa1f111@posting.google.com...

===================================================================

Papa Jack cited:
ABOUT, Women's Issues, Abortion Statistics from Nikki Katz

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
____________________________________________________________________
_____

Excerpts:

* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions

# Then someone needs to take the time to teach them about

Why do you assume these women don't already know about birth
control methods.

because anti-sex religious fanatics like yourself screedh bloody
murder every time a teenager is shown a condom?

'anti-sex religious fanatics'? Hmm, I don't know of any religion that
is anti-sex. Did you have any in mind, Ray?

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance. While it is true that an
anti-sex religion would have trouble maintainging its numbers, there
have been such. (One, in particular, because they didn't have
children of their own to indoctrinate, adopted orphans and
indoctrinated them.)

I do know that Cathlocs believe that sex should only be done for
pro-creation purposes (and even that view is not 'anti-sex'), but that
is not the view of all christian beliefs.

You misstate Catholic teaching, but subtle distinctions don't seem to
be one of your strong points.

"Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great.
And if a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate."
--Monty Python's 'The Meaning Of Life'

Remember, they are mature enough to have
already had a previous abortion.

What a bizarre statement. An abortion somehow gives onw knowledge of
contraception?

"47% of abortions are performed on women who have already had one or
more abortions"

Of course, you would have seen that had you bothered to look.

He probably did. You seem to draw some inference from it. Of course,
that doesn't mean that there really is an implication.

-
Larry
(this space unintentionally left blank .....
make obvious deletion for email
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions	04 May 2004 10:48:15 PM

In article <6f9e1b49.0405040844.1fa1f111@posting.google.com>, Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:

_ABOUT_, Women's Issues, Abortion Statistics from Nikki Katz

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
_________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:

* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have
already had one or more abortions

Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

* 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want
to postpone childbearing
* 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby<
* 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their
partner does not want a child
* 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or
others object to the pregnancy)
* 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their
education or career
* 7.9% of women want no (more) children
* 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to
fetal health
* 2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to
maternal health
_________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
At times, Pro-Aborts criticize my statement that many
abortions are done for the convenience of the pregnant
woman's lifestyle -- rather, than for reasons related
to actual emergencies.

Why do they have to answer to you?

That doesn't mean I am not sympathetic to how upsetting
an unwanted pregnancy can be to a woman. I do emphatize
with couples who have reasons not to get pregnant, but
we are talking about homicide and inconvenience is
simply not adequate defense.

It isn't homicide and there is no defense needed. Do you EVER stop
lying? Perhaps you could explain why we should believe anything you
say when you are so willing to lie? To call abortion a homicide is a
LIE. Pure and simple. And you were wondering why the pro-choice are
always calling you a liar. This is why.

Another related point is the fact that almost half of
the women having abortions have previously had one or
more abortions. That reduces my sympathy factor a
great deal.

Why is that? You are just full of hate and looking for excuses to hate
more.
.

User: "Lawrence E. McKnight"
Title: Re: Reasons for Abortions