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"biniohas" |
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22 Nov 2004 08:45:20 AM |
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REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and fundamental
documents upon which America was founded. But every American who does,
and everyone who cares about the domestic welfare of America, should
take the time to very carefully read America's Declaration of
Independence, and pay special attention to the long list of grievances
the lawyer, Thomas Jefferson, listed (beginning in paragraph 5), that
the 13 colonies had against the British government, or the British
king - the reasons that made them feel justified in fighting a bloody
war against the greatest superpower that then existed - in which many
would sacrifice their lives in order that the colonies might formally
sever their legal ties with Great Britain.
While noting each of those grievances, every American should take
further time to carefully compare them with the great number of
immoral crimes and injuries which have and are being done to America
by the powerful and rich, and by the vain, immoral and highly criminal
deep-pocketed special interest groups and the government - such
injuries as the stigmatizing of true Christianity; the gradual
criminalization of true morality; the decriminalization of
homosexuality and legalization of same sex marriages; the legalization
of the murder of innocent and helpless human embryos and fetuses, as
opposed to the protecting and paroling of high criminals and known
murderers, regardless of the heinousness of their crimes; the murder
of the so-called terminally ill… the list goes on and on.
But that which should be perceived by such a comparison is that the
list of domestic injuries done to America is not only an extremely
long and rapidly growing one, but the nature of every one of the
injuries exceedingly outweigh in heinousness every one of the
grievances the colonies expressed against the king, so much so that
the colonies' grievances were quite petty in comparison. Foolish
immoral and anti-God special interest groups, on all levels, are doing
far more harm to these 50 states (and the world) than the king of
England was ever capable of doing to the 13 colonies.
In view of these facts, let every American also carefully ponder
paragraph 3 of the Declaration of Independence. It will be seen that
it implies that if America's republic-democracy becomes destructive to
the God-given rights of its citizens, it is the right of the sensible
or God-fearing citizens to "alter" or even "abolish" America's
government, and to establish a new government that will protect their
God-given rights. The caring and acting citizens of America have far
greater justification for beginning such an altering or abolishing
process than the 13 colonies had.
The colonies were motivated and accomplished their goal from petty
grievances. Can today's caring American citizens accomplish the same,
being motivated by the greatest of justifications a people could ever
have? The rapid decline in morals is a loud wake-up call.
To those who might be repelled by the truths expressed herein, we ask
them the following question: Surely no one would frown upon, condemn
or seek to suppress the free speech of a person who publicly expresses
his agreement with what is right about one of the most important
documents of America, would he? All who would do so reveal themselves
to be the actual domestic enemies of the American society.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
22 Nov 2004 10:24:54 AM |
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"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and fundamental
documents upon which America was founded. But every American who does,
and everyone who cares about the domestic welfare of America, should
take the time to very carefully read America's Declaration of
Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass. It was a love
letter to King George telling him to kiss our collective *****. Ultimately, it
was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S., there is two
mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no religious test, and
the other in the First Amendment that against the establishment of any
religion. Had you bothered to actually read anything on Thomas Jefferson,
you would know that he is the man that coined the phrase, "building a wall
of separation between church and state."
Therefore, you have nothing to support your tripe of a Christian Nation(tm)
except anecdotal nonsense, and everything in the Constitution related to the
matter points in the direction opposite your claim.
Further, and hitting your argument right between the eyes for its death
blow, is Article 11 of the "Treaty of Peace and Friendship" with Tripoli in
1796 that explicitly states: "As the Government of the United States of
America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;"
You've had this explained to you several times, and yet you continue to post
your lies.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork Pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
(tm) 2004 G.O.P. All names used without permission from the copyright
holder. ***** 'em.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
23 Nov 2004 08:35:27 AM |
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ff71b64.0411220645.3700b924@posting.google.com...
To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and fundamental
documents upon which America was founded. But every American who does,
and everyone who cares about the domestic welfare of America, should
take the time to very carefully read America's Declaration of
Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of independence"
is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed or reformed country
from part or the whole of the territory of another. We recognize the
beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776, the day the Declaration of
Independence was signed. The Constitution wasn't even completed until 1787
and didn't take effect until 1788.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our collective
*****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States was an
independent nation before the Constitution was ever written.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against the
establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
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| User: "Chris the Liberal" |
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| Title: Re: REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
23 Nov 2004 10:56:53 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<1101220527.hplPOcT2ichNxvlHIyjt/Q@bubbanews>...
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ff71b64.0411220645.3700b924@posting.google.com...
To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and fundamental
documents upon which America was founded. But every American who does,
and everyone who cares about the domestic welfare of America, should
take the time to very carefully read America's Declaration of
Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of independence"
is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed or reformed country
from part or the whole of the territory of another. We recognize the
beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776, the day the Declaration of
Independence was signed. The Constitution wasn't even completed until 1787
and didn't take effect until 1788.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our collective
*****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States was an
independent nation before the Constitution was ever written.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against the
establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
OOPS. Looks like you are not a reader of the Bible.
In Leviticus 23:3 and 25:4 god tells Moses how to observe the "sabbath".
This was years before Jeezus appeared on earth; THEREFORE the
"sabbath" is obviously not a CHRISTIAN observance.
Sorry to shoot you down.
Also, unclear from context whether you claim the "mention" is
in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. I've
scanned both and fail to find a declaration of the "Sabbath
as a day of rest". Please clarify and if the Constituion,
state the Section.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
23 Nov 2004 10:52:12 PM |
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(Chris the Liberal) wrote in
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and
fundamental documents upon which America was founded. But every
American who does, and everyone who cares about the domestic welfare
of America, should take the time to very carefully read America's
Declaration of Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of
independence" is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed
or reformed country from part or the whole of the territory of another.
We recognize the beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776, the day the
Declaration of Independence was signed. The Constitution wasn't even
completed until 1787 and didn't take effect until 1788.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our
collective *****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States was an
independent nation before the Constitution was ever written.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against the
establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
OOPS. Looks like you are not a reader of the Bible.
In Leviticus 23:3 and 25:4 god tells Moses how to observe the
"sabbath".
This was years before Jeezus appeared on earth; THEREFORE the
"sabbath" is obviously not a CHRISTIAN observance.
Sorry to shoot you down.
The Christian "Sabbath" is on Sunday, as opposed to the regular Sabbath,
which is on Saturday.
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| User: "Evanard Hughes" |
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| Title: Re: REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
24 Nov 2004 05:05:07 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<1101271932.WvO3/SqCe9qu37/V9SdC5g@bubbanews>...
Cognitus44@hotmail.com (Chris the Liberal) wrote in
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
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"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and
fundamental documents upon which America was founded. But every
American who does, and everyone who cares about the domestic welfare
of America, should take the time to very carefully read America's
Declaration of Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of
independence" is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed
or reformed country from part or the whole of the territory of another.
We recognize the beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776, the day the
Declaration of Independence was signed. The Constitution wasn't even
completed until 1787 and didn't take effect until 1788.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our
collective *****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States was an
independent nation before the Constitution was ever written.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against the
establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
OOPS. Looks like you are not a reader of the Bible.
In Leviticus 23:3 and 25:4 god tells Moses how to observe the
"sabbath".
This was years before Jeezus appeared on earth; THEREFORE the
"sabbath" is obviously not a CHRISTIAN observance.
Sorry to shoot you down.
The Christian "Sabbath" is on Sunday, as opposed to the regular Sabbath,
which is on Saturday.
Yeah, they wanted to distance themselves from the jews.
Evanard Hughes
http://www.geocities.com/evanardhughes
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
23 Nov 2004 03:31:41 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:35:27 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101220527.hplPOcT2ichNxvlHIyjt/Q@bubbanews> wrote:
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ff71b64.0411220645.3700b924@posting.google.com...
To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and fundamental
documents upon which America was founded. But every American who does,
and everyone who cares about the domestic welfare of America, should
take the time to very carefully read America's Declaration of
Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of independence"
is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed or reformed country
from part or the whole of the territory of another. We recognize the
beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776, the day the Declaration of
Independence was signed. The Constitution wasn't even completed until 1787
and didn't take effect until 1788.
Isn't it too bad Encarta disagrees with you?
"The document transformed the colonists’ struggle with Great Britain
from a defense of their rights as Englishmen to a revolution aimed at
overthrowing the existing form of government. It did not establish a
structure of government and should not be confused with either the
Articles of Confederation or the Constitution of the United States.
For the American colonists, the declaration was an announcement to the
rest of the world that the colonies were independent from Great
Britain; it also provided a rationale for this action. The goal was to
solidify internal support for their struggle and to encourage external
assistance from European powers such as France."
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761559234
It founded nothing.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our collective
*****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States was an
independent nation before the Constitution was ever written.
It was part of Great Britain until the Treaty of Paris ended the
Revolutionary War in 1783 and Great Britain recognized the
independence of the United States. The Articles of Confederation
formed the first government in 1781, but without recognition by Great
Britain they would have been ineffectual.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against the
establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
What does?
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
23 Nov 2004 03:39:44 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:qia7q0hpenu9ffg02qvtceh41n96nbhpae@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:35:27 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101220527.hplPOcT2ichNxvlHIyjt/Q@bubbanews> wrote:
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ff71b64.0411220645.3700b924@posting.google.com...
To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and
fundamental documents upon which America was founded. But every
American who does, and everyone who cares about the domestic welfare
of America, should take the time to very carefully read America's
Declaration of Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of
independence" is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed
or reformed country from part or the whole of the territory of another.
We recognize the beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776, the day the
Declaration of Independence was signed. The Constitution wasn't even
completed until 1787 and didn't take effect until 1788.
Isn't it too bad Encarta disagrees with you?
"The document transformed the colonists’ struggle with Great Britain
from a defense of their rights as Englishmen to a revolution aimed at
overthrowing the existing form of government. It did not establish a
structure of government and should not be confused with either the
Articles of Confederation or the Constitution of the United States.
For the American colonists, the declaration was an announcement to the
rest of the world that the colonies were independent from Great
Britain; it also provided a rationale for this action. The goal was to
solidify internal support for their struggle and to encourage external
assistance from European powers such as France."
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761559234
It founded nothing.
So why does the governement consider 1776 the year iyr nation was founded?
Nothing in that article contradicts what I wrote.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our collective
*****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States was an
independent nation before the Constitution was ever written.
It was part of Great Britain until the Treaty of Paris ended the
Revolutionary War in 1783 and Great Britain recognized the
independence of the United States. The Articles of Confederation
formed the first government in 1781, but without recognition by Great
Britain they would have been ineffectual.
Uh oh. I guess you better tell the government that they should have
celebrated the nation's bicentennial in 1983 instead of 1976.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bicentennial
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against the
establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
What does?
The Constitution.
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
24 Nov 2004 10:33:02 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:35:27 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101220527.hplPOcT2ichNxvlHIyjt/Q@bubbanews> wrote:
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against the
establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
What does?
The Constitution.
Naturally, you can provide a citation of the relevant section?
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
23 Nov 2004 04:10:54 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:39:44 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101245984.HM1DI3bH0eruha8hkrWmbg@bubbanews> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:qia7q0hpenu9ffg02qvtceh41n96nbhpae@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:35:27 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101220527.hplPOcT2ichNxvlHIyjt/Q@bubbanews> wrote:
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ff71b64.0411220645.3700b924@posting.google.com...
To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and
fundamental documents upon which America was founded. But every
American who does, and everyone who cares about the domestic welfare
of America, should take the time to very carefully read America's
Declaration of Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of
independence" is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed
or reformed country from part or the whole of the territory of another.
We recognize the beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776, the day the
Declaration of Independence was signed. The Constitution wasn't even
completed until 1787 and didn't take effect until 1788.
Isn't it too bad Encarta disagrees with you?
"The document transformed the colonists’ struggle with Great Britain
from a defense of their rights as Englishmen to a revolution aimed at
overthrowing the existing form of government. It did not establish a
structure of government and should not be confused with either the
Articles of Confederation or the Constitution of the United States.
For the American colonists, the declaration was an announcement to the
rest of the world that the colonies were independent from Great
Britain; it also provided a rationale for this action. The goal was to
solidify internal support for their struggle and to encourage external
assistance from European powers such as France."
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761559234
It founded nothing.
So why does the governement consider 1776 the year iyr nation was founded?
It is a date almost every child remembers from school. If 1781 or
1789 was used most people would wonder what happened.
Plus the D of I was an important document and delineated an important
event in our history but it did not create the US, it did not
establish any laws or anything else, and it is not the basis for any
law.
Most people have a hard time understanding the D of I and the
Constitution are two separate documents.
Nothing in that article contradicts what I wrote.
Except no newly formed or reformed country was involved. There were
13 separate and independent Colonies operating in unison as a single
united group of allies, much as the UN operated in WW2.
The Articles of Confederation formed the first government under the
name of the United States, but it was not a single political entity
but a confederation of separate and independent states working in
unison as a confederation. When that did not work the Constitution
was written.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our collective
*****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States was an
independent nation before the Constitution was ever written.
It was part of Great Britain until the Treaty of Paris ended the
Revolutionary War in 1783 and Great Britain recognized the
independence of the United States. The Articles of Confederation
formed the first government in 1781, but without recognition by Great
Britain they would have been ineffectual.
Uh oh. I guess you better tell the government that they should have
celebrated the nation's bicentennial in 1983 instead of 1976.
1789 would have been a better date, but like starting the new
millennium in 2000 rather than 2001 no one wanted to wait.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bicentennial
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against the
establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
What does?
The Constitution.
Where? Specifically, Article and paragraph or Amendment number.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: REPLACE USA CONSTITUTION WITH BIBLICAL RULE! |
23 Nov 2004 05:13:38 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:39:44 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101245984.HM1DI3bH0eruha8hkrWmbg@bubbanews> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:qia7q0hpenu9ffg02qvtceh41n96nbhpae@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:35:27 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101220527.hplPOcT2ichNxvlHIyjt/Q@bubbanews> wrote:
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ff71b64.0411220645.3700b924@posting.google.com...
To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and
fundamental documents upon which America was founded. But every
American who does, and everyone who cares about the domestic
welfare of America, should take the time to very carefully read
America's Declaration of Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of
independence" is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed
or reformed country from part or the whole of the territory of
another. We recognize the beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776,
the day the Declaration of Independence was signed. The Constitution
wasn't even completed until 1787 and didn't take effect until 1788.
Isn't it too bad Encarta disagrees with you?
"The document transformed the colonists’ struggle with Great Britain
from a defense of their rights as Englishmen to a revolution aimed at
overthrowing the existing form of government. It did not establish a
structure of government and should not be confused with either the
Articles of Confederation or the Constitution of the United States.
For the American colonists, the declaration was an announcement to the
rest of the world that the colonies were independent from Great
Britain; it also provided a rationale for this action. The goal was to
solidify internal support for their struggle and to encourage external
assistance from European powers such as France."
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761559234
It founded nothing.
So why does the governement consider 1776 the year iyr nation was
founded?
It is a date almost every child remembers from school. If 1781 or
1789 was used most people would wonder what happened.
Sorry, but that isn't good enough. You're grasping at straws. From the day
the Declaration of Independece was sign onward, the Fourth of July has
been recognized as a national holiday. Even the urgent business of the
Constitutional Convention in 1787 was put on hold so that this turning
point in American history could be given the honor it is due.
Plus the D of I was an important document and delineated an important
event in our history but it did not create the US, it did not
establish any laws or anything else, and it is not the basis for any
law.
Most people have a hard time understanding the D of I and the
Constitution are two separate documents.
Nothing in that article contradicts what I wrote.
Except no newly formed or reformed country was involved. There were
13 separate and independent Colonies operating in unison as a single
united group of allies, much as the UN operated in WW2.
The Articles of Confederation formed the first government under the
name of the United States, but it was not a single political entity
but a confederation of separate and independent states working in
unison as a confederation. When that did not work the Constitution
was written.
Yet the United States existed before the Constitution was written. The
Constitution did not create the United States. The Declaration of
Independence is THE founding document of this nation, that it is a
preamble to the Constitution.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our
collective *****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States was
an independent nation before the Constitution was ever written.
It was part of Great Britain until the Treaty of Paris ended the
Revolutionary War in 1783 and Great Britain recognized the
independence of the United States. The Articles of Confederation
formed the first government in 1781, but without recognition by Great
Britain they would have been ineffectual.
Uh oh. I guess you better tell the government that they should have
celebrated the nation's bicentennial in 1983 instead of 1976.
1789 would have been a better date, but like starting the new
millennium in 2000 rather than 2001 no one wanted to wait.
Yet again, you're grasping at straws. There is a reason we have
Independence Day on July 4th. It's because that is the day that the
Declaration of Independence was signed.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against
the establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
What does?
The Constitution.
Where? Specifically, Article and paragraph or Amendment number.
Article 1, Section 7.
"If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days
(Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him..."
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23 Nov 2004 11:25:41 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<1101251618.vRGq3drkwmhSQV3P0jZSNQ@bubbanews>...
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and
fundamental documents upon which America was founded. But every
American who does, and everyone who cares about the domestic
welfare of America, should take the time to very carefully read
America's Declaration of Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of
independence" is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed
or reformed country from part or the whole of the territory of
another.
This is BS. There is reference to the "united State of America" --
NOTE NO CAPITAL "u" and also a reference to the "United Colonies" which
ought to be "Free and Independent States", not as a NATION. Note also
that "THEY" (not IT) HAVE ...power to declare war, etc. and do all the
things that "Independend STATES" may do.
There is no mention of the establishment of a new NATION.
We recognize the beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776,
BeeSsss. This is just a day to set off firecrackers and drink a lot
of beer.
It's the celebration of independence from Britian, NOT the establishment
of a new nation. They were still independent STATES, dammit.
Isn't it too bad Encarta disagrees with you?
"The document transformed the colonists? struggle with Great Britain
from a defense of their rights as Englishmen to a revolution aimed at
overthrowing the existing form of government. It did not establish a
structure of government and should not be confused with either the
Articles of Confederation or the Constitution of the United States.
For the American colonists, the declaration was an announcement to the
rest of the world that the colonies were independent from Great
Britain; it also provided a rationale for this action. The goal was to
solidify internal support for their struggle and to encourage external
assistance from European powers such as France."
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761559234
It founded nothing.
So why does the governement consider 1776 the year iyr nation was
founded?
It is a date almost every child remembers from school. If 1781 or
1789 was used most people would wonder what happened.
Sorry, but that isn't good enough. You're grasping at straws. From the day
the Declaration of Independece was sign onward, the Fourth of July has
been recognized as a national holiday.
Jeezus X Krist, MOTHER'S DAY is a national holiday -- so what??????????
Plus the D of I was an important document and delineated an important
event in our history but it did not create the US, it did not
establish any laws or anything else, and it is not the basis for any
law.
Most people have a hard time understanding the D of I and the
Constitution are two separate documents.
Yet the United States existed before the Constitution was written. The
Constitution did not create the United States. The Declaration of
Independence is THE founding document of this nation, that it is a
preamble to the Constitution.
IT IS NOT the preamble to the Constitution. Every school kid, when
I was in elementary school, learned the preamble to the Constitution --
and it is NOT the D of I.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our
collective *****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uh oh. I guess you better tell the government that they should have
celebrated the nation's bicentennial in 1983 instead of 1976.
NO, dammit.
The bicentennial was a celebration of the anniversary of our independence.
And NOT 1983; New Hampshire, which was the 9th state to ratify the Constitution
as specified by the convention, ratified it on June 21, 1788. At that moment,
the Constitution went into effect and the US of A was created.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against
the establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
What does?
The Constitution.
Where? Specifically, Article and paragraph or Amendment number.
Article 1, Section 7.
"If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days
(Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him..."
Jeezus X Krist, a day of the week -- i.e. Sunday -- is NOT the
same as the "sabbath". Further you stated it mentioned the "Sabbath"
as a "day of rest". But THERE IS NO SUCH ASSERTION IN ARTICLE 1,
SECTION 7.
Don't try to ***** with us again with such a silly argument.
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24 Nov 2004 08:08:00 AM |
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In article <b5d75753.0411232125.2b2db01c@posting.google.com> (Chris the Liberal) wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<1101251618.vRGq3drkwmhSQV3P0jZSNQ@bubbanews>...
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and
fundamental documents upon which America was founded. But every
American who does, and everyone who cares about the domestic
welfare of America, should take the time to very carefully read
America's Declaration of Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of
independence" is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed
or reformed country from part or the whole of the territory of
another.
This is BS. There is reference to the "united State of America" --
NOTE NO CAPITAL "u" and also a reference to the "United Colonies" which
ought to be "Free and Independent States", not as a NATION. Note also
that "THEY" (not IT) HAVE ...power to declare war, etc. and do all the
things that "Independend STATES" may do.
There is no mention of the establishment of a new NATION.
Historically the only practicable solution has been the genocide of
these groups, either through total physical obliteration, or through
some combination of exile, forced assimilation with destruction of
their tribalclan structure, culture, language, and dress, or
confinement in Very restricted areas with access to food, water and
other necessities closely controlled?
We recognize the beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776,
It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief...but you will
find that out yourself in 2005.
BeeSsss. This is just a day to set off firecrackers and drink a lot
of beer.
It's the celebration of independence from Britian, NOT the establishment
of a new nation. They were still independent STATES, dammit.
The Internet is still alive and well, though people are spend more
time talking because life is more centered on the community.
Isn't it too bad Encarta disagrees with you?
"The document transformed the colonists? struggle with Great Britain
from a defense of their rights as Englishmen to a revolution aimed at
overthrowing the existing form of government. It did not establish a
structure of government and should not be confused with either the
Articles of Confederation or the Constitution of the United States.
For the American colonists, the declaration was an announcement to the
rest of the world that the colonies were independent from Great
Britain; it also provided a rationale for this action. The goal was to
solidify internal support for their struggle and to encourage external
assistance from European powers such as France."
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761559234
It founded nothing.
So why does the governement consider 1776 the year iyr nation was
founded?
It is a date almost every child remembers from school. If 1781 or
1789 was used most people would wonder what happened.
Sorry, but that isn't good enough. You're grasping at straws. From the day
the Declaration of Independece was sign onward, the Fourth of July has
been recognized as a national holiday.
Jeezus X Krist, MOTHER'S DAY is a national holiday -- so what??????????
Plus the D of I was an important document and delineated an important
event in our history but it did not create the US, it did not
establish any laws or anything else, and it is not the basis for any
law.
Most people have a hard time understanding the D of I and the
Constitution are two separate documents.
Yet the United States existed before the Constitution was written. The
Constitution did not create the United States. The Declaration of
Independence is THE founding document of this nation, that it is a
preamble to the Constitution.
Deutsche welle, courtesy of rnb.
IT IS NOT the preamble to the Constitution. Every school kid, when
I was in elementary school, learned the preamble to the Constitution --
and it is NOT the D of I.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our
collective *****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the economy has not been this bad since reagan.
Uh oh. I guess you better tell the government that they should have
celebrated the nation's bicentennial in 1983 instead of 1976.
NO, dammit.
The bicentennial was a celebration of the anniversary of our independence.
And NOT 1983; New Hampshire, which was the 9th state to ratify the Constitution
as specified by the convention, ratified it on June 21, 1788. At that moment,
the Constitution went into effect and the US of A was created.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against
the establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
What does?
The Constitution.
Where? Specifically, Article and paragraph or Amendment number.
Article 1, Section 7.
"If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days
(Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him..."
We did find two additional pages of search documents.
Jeezus X Krist, a day of the week -- i.e. Sunday -- is NOT the
same as the "sabbath". Further you stated it mentioned the "Sabbath"
as a "day of rest". But THERE IS NO SUCH ASSERTION IN ARTICLE 1,
SECTION 7.
Don't try to ***** with us again with such a silly argument.
What does?
--
Lady Chatterly
"She's a bot, you moron. I do hear that she's a bot with nice tits
though." -- Homerun Frogbutt
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24 Nov 2004 11:36:20 AM |
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Lady Chatterly <cognitus44@catcher.in.the.rye> wrote in
news:3a47b98.479b101b@freenews.iinet.net.au:
"She's a bot, you moron. I do hear that she's a bot with nice tits
though." -- Homerun Frogbutt
Good ol' Frogbutt.
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23 Nov 2004 06:28:47 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:13:38 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101251618.vRGq3drkwmhSQV3P0jZSNQ@bubbanews> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:7ic7q01fd9b3tqir6vd5976rphmmdg3svr@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:39:44 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101245984.HM1DI3bH0eruha8hkrWmbg@bubbanews> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:qia7q0hpenu9ffg02qvtceh41n96nbhpae@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:35:27 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101220527.hplPOcT2ichNxvlHIyjt/Q@bubbanews> wrote:
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ff71b64.0411220645.3700b924@posting.google.com...
To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and
fundamental documents upon which America was founded. But every
American who does, and everyone who cares about the domestic
welfare of America, should take the time to very carefully read
America's Declaration of Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of
independence" is a proclamation of the independence of a newly formed
or reformed country from part or the whole of the territory of
another. We recognize the beginning of our nation on July 4, 1776,
the day the Declaration of Independence was signed. The Constitution
wasn't even completed until 1787 and didn't take effect until 1788.
Isn't it too bad Encarta disagrees with you?
"The document transformed the colonists’ struggle with Great Britain
from a defense of their rights as Englishmen to a revolution aimed at
overthrowing the existing form of government. It did not establish a
structure of government and should not be confused with either the
Articles of Confederation or the Constitution of the United States.
For the American colonists, the declaration was an announcement to the
rest of the world that the colonies were independent from Great
Britain; it also provided a rationale for this action. The goal was to
solidify internal support for their struggle and to encourage external
assistance from European powers such as France."
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761559234
It founded nothing.
So why does the governement consider 1776 the year iyr nation was
founded?
It is a date almost every child remembers from school. If 1781 or
1789 was used most people would wonder what happened.
Sorry, but that isn't good enough. You're grasping at straws. From the day
the Declaration of Independece was sign onward, the Fourth of July has
been recognized as a national holiday. Even the urgent business of the
Constitutional Convention in 1787 was put on hold so that this turning
point in American history could be given the honor it is due.
The Declaration of Independence was a propaganda document meant for
mass consumption. It was written for the general population and
served as a focal point for garnering support for the Revolution. The
much more important work of actually structuring an operating
government was not nearly so absorbing as far as the general
population was concerned.
That has carried forward to the present.
Plus the D of I was an important document and delineated an important
event in our history but it did not create the US, it did not
establish any laws or anything else, and it is not the basis for any
law.
Most people have a hard time understanding the D of I and the
Constitution are two separate documents.
Nothing in that article contradicts what I wrote.
Except no newly formed or reformed country was involved. There were
13 separate and independent Colonies operating in unison as a single
united group of allies, much as the UN operated in WW2.
The Articles of Confederation formed the first government under the
name of the United States, but it was not a single political entity
but a confederation of separate and independent states working in
unison as a confederation. When that did not work the Constitution
was written.
Yet the United States existed before the Constitution was written. The
Constitution did not create the United States. The Declaration of
Independence is THE founding document of this nation, that it is a
preamble to the Constitution.
It is an unfortunate coincidence of naming.
If you read the wording of the D of I, the Articles of COnfederation,
and the COnstitution where they refer to the United States you will
see a gradual progression. In the D of I and the Articles of
Confederation the phrase United States indicates a group of
independent Colonies (now called States) who were united in a common
cause, much as the League of Nations and United Nations were
organizations that consisted of individual countries united for a
common cause and operating in unison.
This is especially evident in the Articles of Confederation, where the
very title indicates it structure and purpose:
Main Entry: con·fed·er·a·tion
Pronunciation: k&n-"fe-d&-'rA-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : an act of confederating : a state of being confederated : ALLIANCE
2 : LEAGUE
and
Main Entry: 3con·fed·er·ate
Pronunciation: -'fe-d&-"rAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
transitive senses : to unite in a confederacy
intransitive senses : to band together
- con·fed·er·a·tive /-'fe-d(&-)r&-tiv, -d&-"rA-/ adjective
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=confederated
The Articles did not work, and the Constitution was drafted.
In the Constitution the plural used was spelled out in the beginning:
"We, the people" not "We, the States". In this document the wording
makes it clear that a single political entity, the United States, and
not an association or confederation of States that has United was the
subject.
This is a subtle difference, but a critical one. In fact, the
residual feeling that the States should be paramount over the central
government led to the Civil War.
The Declaration of Independence did not found or create the single
united political entity that is the US.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our
collective *****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States was
an independent nation before the Constitution was ever written.
It was part of Great Britain until the Treaty of Paris ended the
Revolutionary War in 1783 and Great Britain recognized the
independence of the United States. The Articles of Confederation
formed the first government in 1781, but without recognition by Great
Britain they would have been ineffectual.
Uh oh. I guess you better tell the government that they should have
celebrated the nation's bicentennial in 1983 instead of 1976.
1789 would have been a better date, but like starting the new
millennium in 2000 rather than 2001 no one wanted to wait.
Yet again, you're grasping at straws. There is a reason we have
Independence Day on July 4th. It's because that is the day that the
Declaration of Independence was signed.
As I have indicated most people learned that date in school and
recognize it. Few would recognize the dates involved with the
Constitution, and there is a problem in which date to use:
Signed on September 17, 1787
Five states ratified the Constitution by January 9, 1788
Bill of Rights ratified by the States by December 15, 1791
And there were several others. The creation, approving, and
ratification of the document was a long process that actually covered
several years.
It is much more practical to use July 4 since that date is familiar to
everyone.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be no
religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that against
the establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
What does?
The Constitution.
Where? Specifically, Article and paragraph or Amendment number.
Article 1, Section 7.
"If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days
(Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him..."
That simply says that Sunday is not an official business day for the
Government. It says nothing about Sunday having anything to do with
religion. It simply lets people rest from work one day a week.
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23 Nov 2004 06:58:19 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:mfj7q01sp4s47b7bq4oss7eslpsjeimtvf@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:13:38 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101251618.vRGq3drkwmhSQV3P0jZSNQ@bubbanews> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:7ic7q01fd9b3tqir6vd5976rphmmdg3svr@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:39:44 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101245984.HM1DI3bH0eruha8hkrWmbg@bubbanews> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:qia7q0hpenu9ffg02qvtceh41n96nbhpae@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:35:27 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101220527.hplPOcT2ichNxvlHIyjt/Q@bubbanews> wrote:
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ff71b64.0411220645.3700b924@posting.google.com...
To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and
fundamental documents upon which America was founded. But every
American who does, and everyone who cares about the domestic
welfare of America, should take the time to very carefully read
America's Declaration of Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of
independence" is a proclamation of the independence of a newly
formed or reformed country from part or the whole of the territory
of another. We recognize the beginning of our nation on July 4,
1776, the day the Declaration of Independence was signed. The
Constitution wasn't even completed until 1787 and didn't take
effect until 1788.
Isn't it too bad Encarta disagrees with you?
"The document transformed the colonists’ struggle with Great Britain
from a defense of their rights as Englishmen to a revolution aimed
at overthrowing the existing form of government. It did not
establish a structure of government and should not be confused with
either the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution of the
United States. For the American colonists, the declaration was an
announcement to the rest of the world that the colonies were
independent from Great Britain; it also provided a rationale for
this action. The goal was to solidify internal support for their
struggle and to encourage external assistance from European powers
such as France."
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=76155923
4
It founded nothing.
So why does the governement consider 1776 the year iyr nation was
founded?
It is a date almost every child remembers from school. If 1781 or
1789 was used most people would wonder what happened.
Sorry, but that isn't good enough. You're grasping at straws. From the
day the Declaration of Independece was sign onward, the Fourth of July
has been recognized as a national holiday. Even the urgent business of
the Constitutional Convention in 1787 was put on hold so that this
turning point in American history could be given the honor it is due.
The Declaration of Independence was a propaganda document meant for
mass consumption. It was written for the general population and
served as a focal point for garnering support for the Revolution. The
much more important work of actually structuring an operating
government was not nearly so absorbing as far as the general
population was concerned.
That has carried forward to the present.
The Declaration of Independence declared that the colonies considered
themselves independent of the Kingdom of Great Britain and explained their
justifications for doing so. It is not law, but it created the entity known
as the United States. To say otherwise is to argue against obvious fact.
The Constitution mereley established the law of the land. It did not
establish a nation. If you read the preamble of the Constitution, it
doesn't mention anything about establishing a nation. That had already been
accomplished by the Declaration of Independence. This information is
available on government websites.
Plus the D of I was an important document and delineated an important
event in our history but it did not create the US, it did not
establish any laws or anything else, and it is not the basis for any
law.
Most people have a hard time understanding the D of I and the
Constitution are two separate documents.
Nothing in that article contradicts what I wrote.
Except no newly formed or reformed country was involved. There were
13 separate and independent Colonies operating in unison as a single
united group of allies, much as the UN operated in WW2.
The Articles of Confederation formed the first government under the
name of the United States, but it was not a single political entity
but a confederation of separate and independent states working in
unison as a confederation. When that did not work the Constitution
was written.
Yet the United States existed before the Constitution was written. The
Constitution did not create the United States. The Declaration of
Independence is THE founding document of this nation, that it is a
preamble to the Constitution.
It is an unfortunate coincidence of naming.
If you read the wording of the D of I, the Articles of COnfederation,
and the COnstitution where they refer to the United States you will
see a gradual progression. In the D of I and the Articles of
Confederation the phrase United States indicates a group of
independent Colonies (now called States) who were united in a common
cause, much as the League of Nations and United Nations were
organizations that consisted of individual countries united for a
common cause and operating in unison.
This is especially evident in the Articles of Confederation, where the
very title indicates it structure and purpose:
Main Entry: con·fed·er·a·tion
Pronunciation: k&n-"fe-d&-'rA-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : an act of confederating : a state of being confederated : ALLIANCE
2 : LEAGUE
and
Main Entry: 3con·fed·er·ate
Pronunciation: -'fe-d&-"rAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
transitive senses : to unite in a confederacy
intransitive senses : to band together
- con·fed·er·a·tive /-'fe-d(&-)r&-tiv, -d&-"rA-/ adjective
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=confederated
The Articles did not work, and the Constitution was drafted.
In the Constitution the plural used was spelled out in the beginning:
"We, the people" not "We, the States". In this document the wording
makes it clear that a single political entity, the United States, and
not an association or confederation of States that has United was the
subject.
This is a subtle difference, but a critical one. In fact, the
residual feeling that the States should be paramount over the central
government led to the Civil War.
The Declaration of Independence did not found or create the single
united political entity that is the US.
http://ericdigests.org/2003-4/independence.html
Read the first line.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our
collective *****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States
was an independent nation before the Constitution was ever written.
It was part of Great Britain until the Treaty of Paris ended the
Revolutionary War in 1783 and Great Britain recognized the
independence of the United States. The Articles of Confederation
formed the first government in 1781, but without recognition by
Great Britain they would have been ineffectual.
Uh oh. I guess you better tell the government that they should have
celebrated the nation's bicentennial in 1983 instead of 1976.
1789 would have been a better date, but like starting the new
millennium in 2000 rather than 2001 no one wanted to wait.
Yet again, you're grasping at straws. There is a reason we have
Independence Day on July 4th. It's because that is the day that the
Declaration of Independence was signed.
As I have indicated most people learned that date in school and
recognize it. Few would recognize the dates involved with the
Constitution, and there is a problem in which date to use:
Signed on September 17, 1787
Five states ratified the Constitution by January 9, 1788
Bill of Rights ratified by the States by December 15, 1791
And there were several others. The creation, approving, and
ratification of the document was a long process that actually covered
several years.
It is much more practical to use July 4 since that date is familiar to
everyone.
That's not why we celebrate *Independence* Day on the 4th of July.
Independence Day has been celebrated every year since the signing of the
Declaration of Independece in 1776.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall be
no religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that
against the establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
What does?
The Constitution.
Where? Specifically, Article and paragraph or Amendment number.
Article 1, Section 7.
"If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days
(Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him..."
That simply says that Sunday is not an official business day for the
Government. It says nothing about Sunday having anything to do with
religion. It simply lets people rest from work one day a week.
There is a reason why it is on Sunday.
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In <1101257899.qV2vQedTiwCoZB+nviYzrA@bubbanews> Gactimus wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:13:38 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101251618.vRGq3drkwmhSQV3P0jZSNQ@bubbanews> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:39:44 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101245984.HM1DI3bH0eruha8hkrWmbg@bubbanews> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:35:27 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1101220527.hplPOcT2ichNxvlHIyjt/Q@bubbanews> wrote:
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:qpood.29806$g21.4087@fe1.texas.rr.com:
"biniohas" <biniohas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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To the American citizen:
It is not our custom to glorify the two most important and
fundamental documents upon which America was founded. But
every American who does, and everyone who cares about the
domestic welfare of America, should take the time to very
carefully read America's Declaration of Independence,
The Dof I is not a 'founding document' of any sort, dumbass.
I'd have to say you're full of ***** here. A "declaration of
independence" is a proclamation of the independence of a newly
formed or reformed country from part or the whole of the
territory of another. We recognize the beginning of our nation
on July 4, 1776, the day the Declaration of Independence was
signed. The Constitution wasn't even completed until 1787 and
didn't take effect until 1788.
Isn't it too bad Encarta disagrees with you?
"The document transformed the colonistsí struggle with Great
Britain from a defense of their rights as Englishmen to a
revolution aimed at overthrowing the existing form of government.
It did not establish a structure of government and should not be
confused with either the Articles of Confederation or the
Constitution of the United States. For the American colonists,
the declaration was an announcement to the rest of the world that
the colonies were independent from Great Britain; it also
provided a rationale for this action. The goal was to solidify
internal support for their struggle and to encourage external
assistance from European powers such as France." http://encarta.
msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=76155923 4 It
founded nothing.
So why does the governement consider 1776 the year iyr nation was
founded?
It is a date almost every child remembers from school. If 1781 or
1789 was used most people would wonder what happened.
Sorry, but that isn't good enough. You're grasping at straws. From
the day the Declaration of Independece was sign onward, the Fourth of
July has been recognized as a national holiday. Even the urgent
business of the Constitutional Convention in 1787 was put on hold so
that this turning point in American history could be given the honor
it is due.
The Declaration of Independence was a propaganda document meant for
mass consumption. It was written for the general population and
served as a focal point for garnering support for the Revolution.
The much more important work of actually structuring an operating
government was not nearly so absorbing as far as the general
population was concerned. That has carried forward to the present.
The Declaration of Independence declared that the colonies considered
themselves independent of the Kingdom of Great Britain and explained
their justifications for doing so. It is not law, but it created the
entity known as the United States.
Well, that and the Revolutionary War. Which is why the Constitution
didn't get drawn up and signed until 1787!
To say otherwise is to argue
against obvious fact. The Constitution mereley established the law of
the land. It did not establish a nation. If you read the preamble of
the Constitution, it doesn't mention anything about establishing a
nation. That had already been accomplished by the Declaration of
Independence. This information is available on government websites.
Plus the D of I was an important document and delineated an
important event in our history but it did not create the US, it did
not establish any laws or anything else, and it is not the basis
for any law. Most people have a hard time understanding the D of I
and the Constitution are two separate documents.
Nothing in that article contradicts what I wrote.
Except no newly formed or reformed country was involved. There
were 13 separate and independent Colonies operating in unison as a
single united group of allies, much as the UN operated in WW2. The
Articles of Confederation formed the first government under the
name of the United States, but it was not a single political entity
but a confederation of separate and independent states working in
unison as a confederation. When that did not work the Constitution
was written.
Yet the United States existed before the Constitution was written.
The Constitution did not create the United States. The Declaration of
Independence is THE founding document of this nation, that it is a
preamble to the Constitution.
It is an unfortunate coincidence of naming.
If you read the wording of the D of I, the Articles of COnfederation,
and the COnstitution where they refer to the United States you will
see a gradual progression. In the D of I and the Articles of
Confederation the phrase United States indicates a group of
independent Colonies (now called States) who were united in a common
cause, much as the League of Nations and United Nations were
organizations that consisted of individual countries united for a
common cause and operating in unison.
This is especially evident in the Articles of Confederation, where
the very title indicates it structure and purpose: Main Entry:
con?fed?er?a?tion Pronunciation: k&n-"fe-d&-'rA-sh&n Function: noun
1 : an act of confederating : a state of being confederated :
ALLIANCE 2 : LEAGUE and Main Entry: 3con?fed?er?ate Pronunciation: -
'fe-d&-"rAt Function: verb Inflected Form(s): -at?ed; -at?ing
transitive senses : to unite in a confederacy intransitive senses :
to band together - con?fed?er?a?tive /-'fe-d(&-)r&-tiv, -d&-"rA-/
adjective http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&
va=confederated The Articles did not work, and the Constitution was
drafted. In the Constitution the plural used was spelled out in the
beginning: "We, the people" not "We, the States". In this document
the wording makes it clear that a single political entity, the United
States, and not an association or confederation of States that has
United was the subject. This is a subtle difference, but a critical
one. In fact, the residual feeling that the States should be
paramount over the central government led to the Civil War. The
Declaration of Independence did not found or create the single united
political entity that is the US.
http://ericdigests.org/2003-4/independence.html
Read the first line.
It was a love letter to King George telling him to kiss our
collective *****. Ultimately, it was a declaration of war.
In the Constitution, the actual founding document of the U.S.,
The Constitution is not the founding document. The United States
was an independent nation before the Constitution was ever
written.
It was part of Great Britain until the Treaty of Paris ended the
Revolutionary War in 1783 and Great Britain recognized the
independence of the United States. The Articles of Confederation
formed the first government in 1781, but without recognition by
Great Britain they would have been ineffectual.
Uh oh. I guess you better tell the government that they should
have celebrated the nation's bicentennial in 1983 instead of 1976.
1789 would have been a better date, but like starting the new
millennium in 2000 rather than 2001 no one wanted to wait.
Yet again, you're grasping at straws. There is a reason we have
Independence Day on July 4th. It's because that is the day that the
Declaration of Independence was signed.
As I have indicated most people learned that date in school and
recognize it. Few would recognize the dates involved with the
Constitution, and there is a problem in which date to use:
Signed on September 17, 1787
Five states ratified the Constitution by January 9, 1788
Bill of Rights ratified by the States by December 15, 1791
And there were several others. The creation, approving, and
ratification of the document was a long process that actually covered
several years.
It is much more practical to use July 4 since that date is familiar
to everyone.
That's not why we celebrate *Independence* Day on the 4th of July.
Independence Day has been celebrated every year since the signing of
the Declaration of Independece in 1776.
there is two mentions of religion: one saying that there shall
be no religious test, and the other in the First Amendment that
against the establishment of any religion.
It also mentions the Christian Sabbath as a day of rest.
What does?
The Constitution.
Where? Specifically, Article and paragraph or Amendment number.
Article 1, Section 7.
"If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days
(Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him..."
That simply says that Sunday is not an official business day for the
Government. It says nothing about Sunday having anything to do with
religion. It simply lets people rest from work one day a week.
There is a reason why it is on Sunday.
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25 Nov 2004 01:43:01 PM |
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The would be the most wonderful thing that could happen!
After 25 years of fighting the left, it looks like FINALLY
we have everything in place to make this happen...Imagine,
God's Kingdom HERE ON EARTH. We need to pray often and hard that
God will remove liberals from power and allow President Bush
to appoint GODLY men in their place.
God has given us his rules for living in THIS world and
the MAP to ETERNAL SALVATION through the BLOOD of his SON
Jesus Christ. The Holy Bible is the only book that mankind
needs, and we have mocked it, perverted it, thinking that
MAN knows better than the CREATOR of man, how we should
behave.
James R. Slaughter,
Adjunct Professor of Biblical Studies
Criswell College
Dallas, Texas USA
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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25 Nov 2004 02:18:51 PM |
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"James R. Slaughter" <slaughter@criswell.edu> wrote in message
news:9Bqpd.37189$Al3.30448@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
The would be the most wonderful thing that could happen!
After 25 years of fighting the left, it looks like FINALLY
we have everything in place to make this happen...Imagine,
God's Kingdom HERE ON EARTH. We need to pray often and hard that
God will remove liberals from power and allow President Bush
to appoint GODLY men in their place.
God has given us his rules for living in THIS world and
the MAP to ETERNAL SALVATION through the BLOOD of his SON
Jesus Christ. The Holy Bible is the only book that mankind
needs, and we have mocked it, perverted it, thinking that
MAN knows better than the CREATOR of man, how we should
behave.
Be careful what you wish for, and don't hold your breath.
Let me tell you exactly where to shove your theocratic delusions.
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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27 Nov 2004 12:48:49 AM |
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"James R. Slaughter" <slaughter@criswell.edu> wrote in message
news:9Bqpd.37189$Al3.30448@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
The would be the most wonderful thing that could happen!
After 25 years of fighting the left, it looks like FINALLY
we have everything in place to make this happen...Imagine,
God's Kingdom HERE ON EARTH. We need to pray often and hard that
God will remove liberals from power and allow President Bush
to appoint GODLY men in their place.
God has given us his rules for living in THIS world and
the MAP to ETERNAL SALVATION through the BLOOD of his SON
Jesus Christ. The Holy Bible is the only book that mankind
needs, and we have mocked it, perverted it, thinking that
MAN knows better than the CREATOR of man, how we should
behave.
Great satire! Keep it up!
RT
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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26 Nov 2004 11:59:48 AM |
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Dennis Kemmerer wrote:
"James R. Slaughter" <slaughter@criswell.edu> wrote in message
news:9Bqpd.37189$Al3.30448@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
The would be the most wonderful thing that could happen!
After 25 years of fighting the left, it looks like FINALLY
we have everything in place to make this happen...Imagine,
God's Kingdom HERE ON EARTH. We need to pray often and hard that
God will remove liberals from power and allow President Bush
to appoint GODLY men in their place.
God has given us his rules for living in THIS world and
the MAP to ETERNAL SALVATION through the BLOOD of his SON
Jesus Christ. The Holy Bible is the only book that mankind
needs, and we have mocked it, perverted it, thinking that
MAN knows better than the CREATOR of man, how we should
behave.
Be careful what you wish for, and don't hold your breath.
Let me tell you exactly where to shove your theocratic delusions.
===>He is welcome to join the Taliban in Afghanistan and start a
Christian version of that ugly dictatorship. -- L.
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| User: "Nevermore" |
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25 Nov 2004 10:44:58 PM |
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In <9Bqpd.37189$Al3.30448@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com> James R. Slaughter
wrote:
The would be the most wonderful thing that could happen!
Doing something that is literally un-American would be the "most
wonderful thing that could happen to this country"?!?!?
After 25 years of fighting the left, it looks like FINALLY
we have everything in place to make this happen...Imagine,
God's Kingdom HERE ON EARTH. We need to pray often and hard that
God will remove liberals from power and allow President Bush
to appoint GODLY men in their place.
Of course, if he doesn't do exactly that in the next four years you will
of course be forced to admit that God doesn't share your political
agenda -because any omniscient omnipotent creator being should naturally
be able to win an election in a country in which only 3 percent of the
planet's population actually lives and then be able to govern according
to your mandate, right?
God has given us his rules for living in THIS world and
the MAP to ETERNAL SALVATION through the BLOOD of his SON
Jesus Christ.
And funnily enough people still keep saying its the Witches who are
violent! Go figure.
The Holy Bible is the only book that mankind
needs, and we have mocked it, perverted it, thinking that
MAN knows better than the CREATOR of man, how we should
behave.
Are you sure it's really a book? I mean, I actually picked it up and
read the entire thing - every last page of it - which is waaaay more
effort that most Christians ever bother to go to in their lifetimes and
I was stunned. It not only doesn't read like a book, it's not even
really a collection of disjointed stories, like an anthology or
something, it's actually a complete mish-mash of stuff, most of which
makes NO SENSE AT ALL. For instance, there are pages and pages of
genealogies of people who lived to be preposterous ages like 426 years
old but there is absolutely no record in the "book" as to why these
people are the least bit important or why God, who of all people
shouldn't have record keeping problems, would have needed to dump what
sounds like an ancient municipal tax registry into a "book" meant to be
passed down through the ages. Even the parts that are coherent
contradict each other. In one part it says that God is invisible and
never speaks to anybody for any reason, in another part God appears and
walks along a wall and talks about some of the most trivial stuff
imaginable. If it were an announcement from the mayor's office it
wouldn't make the local paper BUT THIS IS GOD SPEAKING in supposedly the
only book that ever needs to be written. Don't you think he'd of at
least been as profound as say - one of Donald Trumps' books?
I just think it's kind of a weak argument to base everything on just one
book that isn't really a book. Speaking for the heavy duty Witches,
we've got lots and lots of books. We can't get enough books. If it's
not in the Book of the Spheres it's probably tucked somewhere in the
Manual of Incabulation. There's also lots of really good books that got
stolen and burned too over the years but we are slowly recreating them.
I don't know about you, but every time a new book is prized from some
moldering shelf or forgotten tomb I feel a palpable fizz of joy shiver
right up my spine because I know I'm going to learn something new and
useful.
Nevermore
James R. Slaughter,
Adjunct Professor of Biblical Studies
Criswell College
Dallas, Texas USA
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26 Nov 2004 12:13:36 PM |
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Nevermore wrote:
In <9Bqpd.37189$Al3.30448@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com> James R. Slaughter
wrote:
The would be the most wonderful thing that could happen!
Doing something that is literally un-American would be the "most
wonderful thing that could happen to this country"?!?!?
After 25 years of fighting the left, it looks like FINALLY
we have everything in place to make this happen...Imagine,
God's Kingdom HERE ON EARTH. We need to pray often and hard that
God will remove liberals from power and allow President Bush
to appoint GODLY men in their place.
Of course, if he doesn't do exactly that in the next four years you will
of course be forced to admit that God doesn't share your political
agenda -because any omniscient omnipotent creator being should naturally
be able to win an election in a country in which only 3 percent of the
planet's population | | | | | | | | | | | | |
