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"james g. keegan jr." |
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12 Sep 2004 02:41:26 PM |
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republican non-think |
"This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the Swift
Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are tales from
long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the documentary evidence in
the two cases is like night and day. In the Swift Boat case, practically
every new piece of documentary evidence indicates that Kerry's accusers
are lying. Conversely, in the National Guard case, practically every new
piece of documentary evidence provides additional confirmation that the
charges against Bush are true."
Kevin Drum
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004656.php
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
12 Sep 2004 03:49:50 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95629F9A4DA3Akeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166:
"This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the
Swift Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are
tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the documentary
evidence in the two cases is like night and day. In the Swift Boat case,
practically every new piece of documentary evidence indicates that
Kerry's accusers are lying. Conversely, in the National Guard case,
practically every new piece of documentary evidence provides additional
confirmation that the charges against Bush are true."
Kevin Drum
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004656.php
Unfortunately for you, the above was written before the Bush guard
documents were shown to be forgeries.
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
12 Sep 2004 05:14:22 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9562AB3374157XP@alaska.local...
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95629F9A4DA3Akeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166:
"This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the
Swift Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are
tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the documentary
evidence in the two cases is like night and day. In the Swift Boat case,
practically every new piece of documentary evidence indicates that
Kerry's accusers are lying. Conversely, in the National Guard case,
practically every new piece of documentary evidence provides additional
confirmation that the charges against Bush are true."
Kevin Drum
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004656.php
Unfortunately for you, the above was written before the Bush guard
documents were shown to be forgeries.
Even more unfortunately, not a single SBVT claim has been refuted. In fact
at least 2 that I know of have been confirmed by Flipper himself (Xmas in
Cambodia was a lie, his 1st PH was a fraud). Furhtermore, you refer to the
new "evidence" to be "additional" confirmation of a story that lacked a
shred of confirmation to begin with. It's not "additional," it'ssmiply a
new fabrication.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
12 Sep 2004 03:58:49 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in news:Xns9562AB3374157XP@alaska.local:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95629F9A4DA3Akeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166:
"This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the
Swift Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are
tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the documentary
evidence in the two cases is like night and day. In the Swift Boat case,
practically every new piece of documentary evidence indicates that
Kerry's accusers are lying. Conversely, in the National Guard case,
practically every new piece of documentary evidence provides additional
confirmation that the charges against Bush are true."
Kevin Drum
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004656.php
Unfortunately for you, the above was written before the Bush guard
documents were shown to be forgeries.
see how easily i made you lie.
everyone knows the false claims of forgery put out in a defensive reaction
by the bush camp were completely debunked a few days ago.
let's see now; i wonder if i can make you sit up and beg.....
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
12 Sep 2004 04:37:46 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns9562ACB8CA84Dkeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:Xns9562AB3374157XP@alaska.local:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95629F9A4DA3Akeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166:
"This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the
Swift Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are
tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the
documentary evidence in the two cases is like night and day. In the
Swift Boat case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence
indicates that Kerry's accusers are lying. Conversely, in the National
Guard case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence
provides additional confirmation that the charges against Bush are
true."
Kevin Drum
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004656.php
Unfortunately for you, the above was written before the Bush guard
documents were shown to be forgeries.
see how easily i made you lie.
everyone knows the false claims of forgery put out in a defensive
reaction by the bush camp were completely debunked a few days ago.
By who? Certainly not by any credible source.
"Forensics experts say that documents CBS News used in a story contending
Bush disobeyed an order from his Air National Guard commander in 1972 are
suspicious and may be fakes."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5956557/
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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13 Sep 2004 08:59:37 AM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9562B355F180DXP@alaska.local...
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns9562ACB8CA84Dkeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:Xns9562AB3374157XP@alaska.local:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95629F9A4DA3Akeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166:
"This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the
Swift Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are
tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the
documentary evidence in the two cases is like night and day. In the
Swift Boat case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence
indicates that Kerry's accusers are lying. Conversely, in the National
Guard case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence
provides additional confirmation that the charges against Bush are
true."
Kevin Drum
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004656.php
Unfortunately for you, the above was written before the Bush guard
documents were shown to be forgeries.
see how easily i made you lie.
everyone knows the false claims of forgery put out in a defensive
reaction by the bush camp were completely debunked a few days ago.
By who? Certainly not by any credible source.
"Forensics experts say that documents CBS News used in a story contending
Bush disobeyed an order from his Air National Guard commander in 1972 are
suspicious and may be fakes."
"Suspicious and may be...." How non-committal.
The remarkable thing about you ignorant fucks is how you'll glom onto the
slightest innuendo and half-assed rumor that coincides with your dogma, and
then present it as some sort of confirmed fact.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "The Black Wibble" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
13 Sep 2004 06:52:51 PM |
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message
news:dJh1d.17641$ug2.14329@fe2.texas.rr.com...
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9562B355F180DXP@alaska.local...
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"Forensics experts say that documents CBS News used in a story contending
Bush disobeyed an order from his Air National Guard commander in 1972 are
suspicious and may be fakes."
"Suspicious and may be...." How non-committal.
The remarkable thing about you ignorant fucks is how you'll glom onto the
slightest innuendo and half-assed rumor that coincides with your dogma,
and
then present it as some sort of confirmed fact.
Joseph M. Newcomer, PH.D, a non Bush fan with extensive knowledge of
typesetting, explains in great detail why he concludes the memos are
forgeries. http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm.
Tony.
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http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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13 Sep 2004 11:29:17 PM |
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"The Black Wibble" <scanner@free.org.net> wrote in message
news:spq1d.3378$mZ2.316510@news02.tsnz.net...
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote in message
news:dJh1d.17641$ug2.14329@fe2.texas.rr.com...
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9562B355F180DXP@alaska.local...
[...]
"Forensics experts say that documents CBS News used in a story
contending
Bush disobeyed an order from his Air National Guard commander in 1972
are
suspicious and may be fakes."
"Suspicious and may be...." How non-committal.
The remarkable thing about you ignorant fucks is how you'll glom onto
the
slightest innuendo and half-assed rumor that coincides with your dogma,
and
then present it as some sort of confirmed fact.
Joseph M. Newcomer, PH.D, a non Bush fan with extensive knowledge of
typesetting, explains in great detail why he concludes the memos are
forgeries. http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm.
Tony.
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Is it necessary to repeat myself? He is promoting "matter-of-factly"
something he has never had in his hands....**
**I do find Mr. Newcomer's data more than just a bit interesting, and his
qualifications are impeccable. Admittedly, I was unable to read every single
word of it. The FACT, though, is that he is analyzing fourth or fifth
generation images: i.e. copies of scans of copies of scans of copies of
scans of copies....
If his expertise leads him to conclude that it's some sort of fraud, then
fine. It still doesn't change the fact that it his conclusion based on
evaluating inferior samples.
On a secondary note, I wholeheartedly agree that fraud does no one's case
any good. You may ***** the masses for a few minutes, but you'd better
use that time to make some tracks. Proving your case fraudulently is
evidence that you know you're a liar, and that your point has no merit.
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "MrD" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
12 Sep 2004 10:08:10 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9562B355F180DXP@alaska.local...
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns9562ACB8CA84Dkeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:Xns9562AB3374157XP@alaska.local:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95629F9A4DA3Akeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166:
"This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the
Swift Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are
tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the
documentary evidence in the two cases is like night and day. In the
Swift Boat case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence
indicates that Kerry's accusers are lying. Conversely, in the National
Guard case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence
provides additional confirmation that the charges against Bush are
true."
Kevin Drum
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004656.php
Unfortunately for you, the above was written before the Bush guard
documents were shown to be forgeries.
see how easily i made you lie.
everyone knows the false claims of forgery put out in a defensive
reaction by the bush camp were completely debunked a few days ago.
By who? Certainly not by any credible source.
How about the guy who thought it was a fraud, then realized he was
incorrect?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/11/authenticity_backed_on_bush_documents/
Philip D. Bouffard, a forensic document examiner in Ohio who has analyzed
typewritten samples for 30 years, had expressed suspicions about the
documents in an interview with the New York Times published Thursday, one in
a wave of similar media reports. But Bouffard told the Globe yesterday that
after further study, he now believes the documents could have been prepared
on an IBM Selectric Composer typewriter available at the time.
Or is he only a credible source when he is in agreement with your desired
outcome?
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| User: "The Black Wibble" |
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13 Sep 2004 06:21:24 PM |
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"MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> wrote in message
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9562B355F180DXP@alaska.local...
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By who? Certainly not by any credible source.
How about the guy who thought it was a fraud, then realized he was
incorrect?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/11/authenticity_backed_on_bush_documents/
Philip D. Bouffard, a forensic document examiner in Ohio who has analyzed
typewritten samples for 30 years, had expressed suspicions about the
documents in an interview with the New York Times published Thursday, one
in
a wave of similar media reports. But Bouffard told the Globe yesterday
that
after further study, he now believes the documents could have been
prepared
on an IBM Selectric Composer typewriter available at the time.
Or is he only a credible source when he is in agreement with your desired
outcome?
Dr. Bouffard speaks about the Boston Globe:
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000859.php
What's your position on the memos now, MrD?
Tony.
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http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com
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| User: "MrD" |
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13 Sep 2004 07:23:33 PM |
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"The Black Wibble" <scanner@free.org.net> wrote in message
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"MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> wrote in message
news:ci32t8$utb$1@news.netins.net...
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9562B355F180DXP@alaska.local...
[...]
By who? Certainly not by any credible source.
How about the guy who thought it was a fraud, then realized he was
incorrect?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/11/authenticity_backed_on_bush_documents/
Philip D. Bouffard, a forensic document examiner in Ohio who has
analyzed
typewritten samples for 30 years, had expressed suspicions about the
documents in an interview with the New York Times published Thursday,
one
in
a wave of similar media reports. But Bouffard told the Globe yesterday
that
after further study, he now believes the documents could have been
prepared
on an IBM Selectric Composer typewriter available at the time.
Or is he only a credible source when he is in agreement with your
desired
outcome?
Dr. Bouffard speaks about the Boston Globe:
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000859.php
What's your position on the memos now, MrD?
The same as it was when I read the Boston Globe article, that they can be
fakes or they can be authentic.
What position did you think that I held?
Dr. Bouffard thought they were definitely fakes and then he stated that he
was incorrect in that assumption, but that now he needed the originals to be
sure.
Everyone stating that they are definitely fakes based on his statements
should now retract their claims.
One thing is clear though, Bush doesn't say they are fakes, at least not
where I've seen. Please post any links that would show otherwise.
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| User: "The Black Wibble" |
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13 Sep 2004 09:56:48 PM |
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"MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> wrote in message
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"The Black Wibble" <scanner@free.org.net> wrote in message
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[...]
Dr. Bouffard speaks about the Boston Globe:
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000859.php
What's your position on the memos now, MrD?
The same as it was when I read the Boston Globe article, that they can be
fakes or they can be authentic.
What position did you think that I held?
That you believed what was written in the Boston Globe article which is
dismissive of the allegations of forgery.
Dr. Bouffard thought they were definitely fakes
All I can find is a NYT interview in which Dr. Bouffard is suspicious about
the memos.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/10/politics/campaign/10guard.html Where did
he say he thought the memos were definately fake?
and then he stated that he was incorrect in that assumption,
You have yet to show that Bouffard made that assumption. Even the Boston
Globe never went far enough to claim Bouffard had thought the memos were
definately fakes. The Boston Globe implied he had a change of mind from his
~suspicions~ that the memos were fake. Bouffard says the Boston Globe
misrepresented him. He had no change of mind.
but that now he needed the originals to be sure.
....to be sure they were what?
He's examined the memos in pdf form and thinks there is a 90% chance the
memos are fakes.
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000838.php
Tony.
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http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com
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| User: "MrD" |
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14 Sep 2004 06:44:05 AM |
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"The Black Wibble" <scanner@free.org.net> wrote in message
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"MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> wrote in message
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"The Black Wibble" <scanner@free.org.net> wrote in message
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Dr. Bouffard speaks about the Boston Globe:
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000859.php
What's your position on the memos now, MrD?
The same as it was when I read the Boston Globe article, that they can
be
fakes or they can be authentic.
What position did you think that I held?
That you believed what was written in the Boston Globe article which is
dismissive of the allegations of forgery.
Dr. Bouffard thought they were definitely fakes
All I can find is a NYT interview in which Dr. Bouffard is suspicious
about
the memos.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/10/politics/campaign/10guard.html Where
did
he say he thought the memos were definately fake?
I was going by the articles that I'd read. Perhaps I overstated, perhaps
not.
Personally, I don't care enough about the issue to go over it again. I hold
that the documents are in question and without the originals, nobody is able
to claim anything absolutely.
and then he stated that he was incorrect in that assumption,
You have yet to show that Bouffard made that assumption. Even the Boston
Globe never went far enough to claim Bouffard had thought the memos were
definately fakes. The Boston Globe implied he had a change of mind from
his
~suspicions~ that the memos were fake. Bouffard says the Boston Globe
misrepresented him. He had no change of mind.
but that now he needed the originals to be sure.
...to be sure they were what?
He's examined the memos in pdf form and thinks there is a 90% chance the
memos are fakes.
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000838.php
Tony.
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http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com
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| User: "Liz" |
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13 Sep 2004 08:19:09 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:23:33 -0500, "MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> in
news message <ci5dkl$7g0$1@news.netins.net> wrote:
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One thing is clear though, Bush doesn't say they are fakes, at least not
where I've seen. Please post any links that would show otherwise.
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public to
forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup the
lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm nor deny
the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not believe the
memos were genuine even if God® himself swore that they were, and
there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even if Bush
denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing and not
be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they may.
Since I am basing my vote on more current considerations, what
happened 30 years ago is irrelevant to me, albeit I find the campaign
process interesting especially since Bush 43 ran on the platform of
returning morality to the Presidency. I'm sure the veracity of the
memos will shake out in a year or two.
It certainly isn't an important issue given that the US is involved in
two wars, the job market sucks, and health care costs are becoming
prohibitive.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "Fester" |
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13 Sep 2004 08:59:42 PM |
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"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:23:33 -0500, "MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> in
news message <ci5dkl$7g0$1@news.netins.net> wrote:
[----]
One thing is clear though, Bush doesn't say they are fakes, at least not
where I've seen. Please post any links that would show otherwise.
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public to
forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup the
lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm nor deny
the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not believe the
memos were genuine even if God® himself swore that they were, and
there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even if Bush
denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing and not
be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid. Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and beyond it,
as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing and has been
talking about real issues and the future. OTOH, you have Flipper who has
nothing to say about either recent events or the future. He's on his
mud-slinging magical mystery tour.
Since I am basing my vote on more current considerations, what
happened 30 years ago is irrelevant to me, albeit I find the campaign
process interesting especially since Bush 43 ran on the platform of
returning morality to the Presidency. I'm sure the veracity of the
memos will shake out in a year or two.
LOL! They've already shaken out. How can you possibly be so naive as to
think that there's a shred of doubt about them being forged?
It certainly isn't an important issue given that the US is involved in
two wars, the job market sucks, and health care costs are becoming
prohibitive.
Which is why the fact that the Dems would even forge such meaningless
garbage is beyond stupid. It's bad enough that Flipper has done nothing but
dwell on his days as a 25 yo, and point dirty fingers at Bush's service. Oh
no, the dirty Dems have to go and forge docs to advance a theory that no
sane person gives a rip about to begin with!
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| User: "BOB" |
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13 Sep 2004 10:16:49 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in
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"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:23:33 -0500, "MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> in
news message <ci5dkl$7g0$1@news.netins.net> wrote:
[----]
One thing is clear though, Bush doesn't say they are fakes, at least
not where I've seen. Please post any links that would show
otherwise.
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public to
forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup the
lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm nor deny
the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not believe the
memos were genuine even if God® himself swore that they were, and
there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even if Bush
denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing and not
be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid. Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and
beyond it, as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing and
has been talking about real issues and the future. OTOH, you have
Flipper who has nothing to say about either recent events or the
future. He's on his mud-slinging magical mystery tour.
Has is ever occurred to you that perhaps Bush isn't acknowledging the issues
surrounding his National Guard service (or lack thereof) because he can't
deny the facts brought to light without lying? He could come clean and
clear up all of the questions if he really wanted to. Apparently, he is
just hoping it will all go away so he won't have to answer for his past
cowardice and dereliction of duty.
Since I am basing my vote on more current considerations, what
happened 30 years ago is irrelevant to me, albeit I find the campaign
process interesting especially since Bush 43 ran on the platform of
returning morality to the Presidency. I'm sure the veracity of the
memos will shake out in a year or two.
So you are voting for Kerry too? Good idea.
LOL! They've already shaken out. How can you possibly be so naive as
to think that there's a shred of doubt about them being forged?
Why don't we let the experts determine that? Your opinion isn't worth any
more than mine.
It certainly isn't an important issue given that the US is involved in
two wars, the job market sucks, and health care costs are becoming
prohibitive.
Which is why the fact that the Dems would even forge such meaningless
garbage is beyond stupid. It's bad enough that Flipper has done
nothing but dwell on his days as a 25 yo, and point dirty fingers at
Bush's service. Oh no, the dirty Dems have to go and forge docs to
advance a theory that no sane person gives a rip about to begin with!
Sound like you are a bit worried that the truth about your "glorius leader"
will come out. Who will you neocon wingnuts goose-step to then?
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14 Sep 2004 12:25:05 AM |
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Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public to
forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup the
lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm nor deny
the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not believe the
memos were genuine even if God® himself swore that they were, and
there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even if Bush
denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing and not
be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid. Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and beyond it,
as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing and has been
talking about real issues and the future.
He attacks Kerry claiming that Kerry is promising $2 trillion worth of
spending, but never acknowledges that he is promising $4 trillion.
OTOH, you have Flipper who has
... come up with half a dozen different stories about why he invaded
Iraq.
But all you can do is parrot right-wing propaganda, never thinking for
yourself, never wondering if any of it is true.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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14 Sep 2004 12:22:24 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci5vbg$usd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public to
forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup the
lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm nor deny
the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not believe the
memos were genuine even if God© himself swore that they were, and
there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even if Bush
denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing and not
be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid. Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and
beyond it, as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing and
has been talking about real issues and the future.
He attacks Kerry claiming that Kerry is promising $2 trillion worth of
spending, but never acknowledges that he is promising $4 trillion.
That's even worse.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Sep 2004 12:49:29 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci5vbg$usd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public to
forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup the
lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm nor deny
the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not believe the
memos were genuine even if God© himself swore that they were, and
there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even if Bush
denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing and not
be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid. Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and
beyond it, as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing and
has been talking about real issues and the future.
He attacks Kerry claiming that Kerry is promising $2 trillion worth of
spending, but never acknowledges that he is promising $4 trillion.
That's even worse.
Sorry. That was badly worded. BUSH is promising $4 trillion with no
plan to pay for it. Kerry has a plan to pay for his programs.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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15 Sep 2004 07:34:17 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci8l59$dnd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci5vbg$usd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public
to forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup
the lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm
nor deny the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not
believe the memos were genuine even if God© himself swore that they
were, and there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even
if Bush denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing
and not be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they
may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid. Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and
beyond it, as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing
and has been talking about real issues and the future.
He attacks Kerry claiming that Kerry is promising $2 trillion worth of
spending, but never acknowledges that he is promising $4 trillion.
That's even worse.
Sorry. That was badly worded. BUSH is promising $4 trillion with no
plan to pay for it. Kerry has a plan to pay for his programs.
How? By raising my taxes? No thanks.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
16 Sep 2004 11:33:51 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci8l59$dnd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci5vbg$usd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public
to forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup
the lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm
nor deny the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not
believe the memos were genuine even if God© himself swore that they
were, and there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even
if Bush denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing
and not be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they
may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid. Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and
beyond it, as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing
and has been talking about real issues and the future.
He attacks Kerry claiming that Kerry is promising $2 trillion worth of
spending, but never acknowledges that he is promising $4 trillion.
That's even worse.
Sorry. That was badly worded. BUSH is promising $4 trillion with no
plan to pay for it. Kerry has a plan to pay for his programs.
How? By raising my taxes? No thanks.
You must be really stupid if you cannot understand that taxes
are the result of spending.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
17 Sep 2004 07:02:24 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cidpfe$asm$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci8l59$dnd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci5vbg$usd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and
Clinton, presidents would realize that it is easier for the
American public to forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it
takes to coverup the lapse. I'm certain that the White House will
neither confirm nor deny the memos. There are certain Republicans
who would not believe the memos were genuine even if God© himself
swore that they were, and there are Democrats would swear that
they were gospel even if Bush denied them. It is consequently
more politic to say nothing and not be caught in a falsehood,
letting the chips fall where they may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid. Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and
beyond it, as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing
and has been talking about real issues and the future.
He attacks Kerry claiming that Kerry is promising $2 trillion worth
of spending, but never acknowledges that he is promising $4
trillion.
That's even worse.
Sorry. That was badly worded. BUSH is promising $4 trillion with no
plan to pay for it. Kerry has a plan to pay for his programs.
How? By raising my taxes? No thanks.
You must be really stupid if you cannot understand that taxes
are the result of spending.
Or you could cut government programs.
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
16 Sep 2004 11:46:06 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in news:Xns9565D1415FEAFMB@alaska.local:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci8l59$dnd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci5vbg$usd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public
to forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup
the lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm
nor deny the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not
believe the memos were genuine even if God© himself swore that they
were, and there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even
if Bush denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing
and not be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they
may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid. Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and
beyond it, as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing
and has been talking about real issues and the future.
He attacks Kerry claiming that Kerry is promising $2 trillion worth of
spending, but never acknowledges that he is promising $4 trillion.
That's even worse.
Sorry. That was badly worded. BUSH is promising $4 trillion with no
plan to pay for it. Kerry has a plan to pay for his programs.
How? By raising my taxes? No thanks.
Then tell us, who will pay the bills for Bush's follies? Idiot.
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| User: "Buck Fush" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
15 Sep 2004 07:48:43 PM |
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In article <Xns9565D1415FEAFMB@alaska.local>, Gactimus
<gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci8l59$dnd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ci5vbg$usd$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public
to forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup
the lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm
nor deny the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not
believe the memos were genuine even if God© himself swore that they
were, and there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even
if Bush denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing
and not be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they
may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid. Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and
beyond it, as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing
and has been talking about real issues and the future.
He attacks Kerry claiming that Kerry is promising $2 trillion worth of
spending, but never acknowledges that he is promising $4 trillion.
That's even worse.
Sorry. That was badly worded. BUSH is promising $4 trillion with no
plan to pay for it. Kerry has a plan to pay for his programs.
How? By raising my taxes? No thanks.
Just drop your taxable income to below $200,000 and you're home free.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
14 Sep 2004 11:08:48 AM |
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Fester wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:nogck0da9u3ngj0mhc1qutcuguurft5fp6@4ax.com...
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:23:33 -0500, "MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> in
news message <ci5dkl$7g0$1@news.netins.net> wrote:
[----]
One thing is clear though, Bush doesn't say they are fakes, at least not
where I've seen. Please post any links that would show otherwise.
Snippage..............
Bush is being smart,
ROFLMFAO !!!
Funniest thing I've read all day !
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
Skype callto://hellward
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
13 Sep 2004 09:13:13 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:59:42 GMT, "Fester" <not@home.com> in news
message <igs1d.5152$n%3.309212@twister.southeast.rr.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:nogck0da9u3ngj0mhc1qutcuguurft5fp6@4ax.com...
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:23:33 -0500, "MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> in
news message <ci5dkl$7g0$1@news.netins.net> wrote:
[----]
One thing is clear though, Bush doesn't say they are fakes, at least not
where I've seen. Please post any links that would show otherwise.
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public to
forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup the
lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm nor deny
the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not believe the
memos were genuine even if God® himself swore that they were, and
there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even if Bush
denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing and not
be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid.
You may want to learn how to spell that word. Just a suggestion.
Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and beyond it,
as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing and has been
talking about real issues and the future. OTOH, you have Flipper who has
nothing to say about either recent events or the future. He's on his
mud-slinging magical mystery tour.
Since I am basing my vote on more current considerations, what
happened 30 years ago is irrelevant to me, albeit I find the campaign
process interesting especially since Bush 43 ran on the platform of
returning morality to the Presidency. I'm sure the veracity of the
memos will shake out in a year or two.
LOL! They've already shaken out. How can you possibly be so naive as to
think that there's a shred of doubt about them being forged?
Since I haven't seen the originals nor heard any definitive answers, I
reserve opinion. I've heard a lot of maybe and could be and a lot of
noise from people like you, but no evidence. As I noted, you
wouldn't believe they were genuine if they were proved beyond a doubt
to be true. I, otoh, reserve judgment because I don't have enough
facts, and because the memos aren't an important factor in my vote. I
made up my mind before this incident or the Swift Boat allegations
ever occurred. I am not one of the undecided.
It certainly isn't an important issue given that the US is involved in
two wars, the job market sucks, and health care costs are becoming
prohibitive.
Which is why the fact that the Dems would even forge such meaningless
garbage is beyond stupid. It's bad enough that Flipper has done nothing but
dwell on his days as a 25 yo, and point dirty fingers at Bush's service. Oh
no, the dirty Dems have to go and forge docs to advance a theory that no
sane person gives a rip about to begin with!
They have not been proved to be forgeries, but I'm sure you won't let
that interfere with your rant.
What I find interesting about this whole campaign is that, as was
established in 2000, it will all come down to one or two states
deciding who will become the next President no matter what the popular
vote, and no matter which party is screaming the loudest, and I live
in one of those states.
I believe it is actually a curse, but I find it more of a challenge,
"May you live in interesting times."
Liz #658 BAAWA
Religion may in most of its forms be defined as the
belief that the gods are on the side of the government.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
13 Sep 2004 09:42:24 PM |
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"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:4dkck09jti91m4dq7etcefpvdl7lo5b7ao@4ax.com...
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:59:42 GMT, "Fester" <not@home.com> in news
message <igs1d.5152$n%3.309212@twister.southeast.rr.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:nogck0da9u3ngj0mhc1qutcuguurft5fp6@4ax.com...
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:23:33 -0500, "MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> in
news message <ci5dkl$7g0$1@news.netins.net> wrote:
[----]
One thing is clear though, Bush doesn't say they are fakes, at least
not
where I've seen. Please post any links that would show otherwise.
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and Clinton,
presidents would realize that it is easier for the American public to
forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it takes to coverup the
lapse. I'm certain that the White House will neither confirm nor deny
the memos. There are certain Republicans who would not believe the
memos were genuine even if God® himself swore that they were, and
there are Democrats would swear that they were gospel even if Bush
denied them. It is consequently more politic to say nothing and not
be caught in a falsehood, letting the chips fall where they may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid.
You may want to learn how to spell that word. Just a suggestion.
Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and beyond
it,
as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing and has been
talking about real issues and the future. OTOH, you have Flipper who has
nothing to say about either recent events or the future. He's on his
mud-slinging magical mystery tour.
Since I am basing my vote on more current considerations, what
happened 30 years ago is irrelevant to me, albeit I find the campaign
process interesting especially since Bush 43 ran on the platform of
returning morality to the Presidency. I'm sure the veracity of the
memos will shake out in a year or two.
LOL! They've already shaken out. How can you possibly be so naive as to
think that there's a shred of doubt about them being forged?
Since I haven't seen the originals nor heard any definitive answers, I
reserve opinion. I've heard a lot of maybe and could be and a lot of
noise from people like you, but no evidence. As I noted, you
wouldn't believe they were genuine if they were proved beyond a doubt
to be true. I, otoh, reserve judgment because I don't have enough
facts, and because the memos aren't an important factor in my vote. I
made up my mind before this incident or the Swift Boat allegations
ever occurred. I am not one of the undecided.
It certainly isn't an important issue given that the US is involved in
two wars, the job market sucks, and health care costs are becoming
prohibitive.
Which is why the fact that the Dems would even forge such meaningless
garbage is beyond stupid. It's bad enough that Flipper has done nothing
but
dwell on his days as a 25 yo, and point dirty fingers at Bush's service.
Oh
no, the dirty Dems have to go and forge docs to advance a theory that no
sane person gives a rip about to begin with!
They have not been proved to be forgeries, but I'm sure you won't let
that interfere with your rant.
What I find interesting about this whole campaign is that, as was
established in 2000, it will all come down to one or two states
deciding who will become the next President no matter what the popular
vote, and no matter which party is screaming the loudest, and I live
in one of those states.
I believe it is actually a curse, but I find it more of a challenge,
"May you live in interesting times."
That's the conventional wisdom. IMHO, the conventional wisdom will once
again be proven wrong. As I see it, Flipper's got another 3 weeks or so
(about the 2nd week of Oct) of MSM support. If he doesn't close the gap
(and he doesn't stand a chance if all he's going to do is throw 30 yo mud)
the MSM is going to turn on him. Baically, he's got to be a big winner in
the 1st debate (at which he'll be shown for a pompous jag-off with no plans)
to turn it all around. The big nets will decide to try to get some of their
cred back, once they see it's a lost cause, by piling on Flipper's corpse.
I see an electoral win of about 330-200 for Bush.
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: republican non-think |
13 Sep 2004 10:18:45 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in
news:kUs1d.5172$n%3.313962@twister.southeast.rr.com:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:4dkck09jti91m4dq7etcefpvdl7lo5b7ao@4ax.com...
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:59:42 GMT, "Fester" <not@home.com> in news
message <igs1d.5152$n%3.309212@twister.southeast.rr.com> wrote:
"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
news:nogck0da9u3ngj0mhc1qutcuguurft5fp6@4ax.com...
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:23:33 -0500, "MrD" <nachobiznez@all.com> in
news message <ci5dkl$7g0$1@news.netins.net> wrote:
[----]
One thing is clear though, Bush doesn't say they are fakes, at
least not where I've seen. Please post any links that would show
otherwise.
I think it is interesting that the White House has not denied the
authenticity of the memos, but it could be from an abundance of
caution.
One would think that by now, given the history of Nixon and
Clinton, presidents would realize that it is easier for the
American public to forgive a "lapse of judgment" than the lies it
takes to coverup the lapse. I'm certain that the White House will
neither confirm nor deny the memos. There are certain Republicans
who would not believe the memos were genuine even if God® himself
swore that they were, and there are Democrats would swear that they
were gospel even if Bush denied them. It is consequently more
politic to say nothing and not be caught in a falsehood, letting
the chips fall where they may.
Bush is being smart, Flipperr has been stoooopid.
You may want to learn how to spell that word. Just a suggestion.
Bush is not even
acknowledging the mud being slung at him. He's staying above and
beyond it, as he should. He has conceded Flipper the Vietnam thing
and has been talking about real issues and the future. OTOH, you
have Flipper who has nothing to say about either recent events or the
future. He's on his mud-slinging magical mystery tour.
Since I am basing my vote on more current considerations, what
happened 30 years ago is irrelevant to me, albeit I find the
campaign process interesting especially since Bush 43 ran on the
platform of returning morality to the Presidency. I'm sure the
veracity of the memos will shake out in a year or two.
LOL! They've already shaken out. How can you possibly be so naive
as to think that there's a shred of doubt about them being forged?
Since I haven't seen the originals nor heard any definitive answers, I
reserve opinion. I've heard a lot of maybe and could be and a lot of
noise from people like you, but no evidence. As I noted, you
wouldn't believe they were genuine if they were proved beyond a doubt
to be true. I, otoh, reserve judgment because I don't have enough
facts, and because the memos aren't an important factor in my vote. I
made up my mind before this incident or the Swift Boat allegations
ever occurred. I am not one of the undecided.
It certainly isn't an important issue given that the US is involved
in two wars, the job market sucks, and health care costs are
becoming prohibitive.
Which is why the fact that the Dems would even forge such meaningless
garbage is beyond stupid. It's bad enough that Flipper has done
nothing but dwell on his days as a 25 yo, and point dirty fingers at
Bush's service. Oh no, the dirty Dems have to go and forge docs to
advance a theory that no sane person gives a rip about to begin with!
They have not been proved to be forgeries, but I'm sure you won't let
that interfere with your rant.
What I find interesting about this whole campaign is that, as was
established in 2000, it will all come down to one or two states
deciding who will become the next President no matter what the popular
vote, and no matter which party is screaming the loudest, and I live
in one of those states.
I believe it is actually a curse, but I find it more of a challenge,
"May you live in interesting times."
That's the conventional wisdom. IMHO, the conventional wisdom will
once again be proven wrong. As I see it, Flipper's got another 3 weeks
or so (about the 2nd week of Oct) of MSM support. If he doesn't close
the gap (and he doesn't stand a chance if all he's going to do is throw
30 yo mud) the MSM is going to turn on him. Baically, he's got to be a
big winner in the 1st debate (at which he'll be shown for a pompous
jag-off with no plans) to turn it all around. The big nets will decide
to try to get some of their cred back, once they see it's a lost cause,
by piling on Flipper's corpse. I see an electoral win of about 330-200
for Bush.
Perhaps you should get your eyes examined, then have your brain checked out.
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13 Sep 2004 09:54:33 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns9562ACB8CA84Dkeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:Xns9562AB3374157XP@alaska.local:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95629F9A4DA3Akeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166:
"This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the
Swift Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are
tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the
documentary evidence in the two cases is like night and day. In the
Swift Boat case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence
indicates that Kerry's accusers are lying. Conversely, in the National
Guard case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence
provides additional confirmation that the charges against Bush are
true."
Kevin Drum
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004656.php
Unfortunately for you, the above was written before the Bush guard
documents were shown to be forgeries.
see how easily i made you lie.
everyone knows the false claims of forgery put out in a defensive
reaction by the bush camp were completely debunked a few days ago.
By who? Certainly not by any credible source.
"Forensics experts say that documents CBS News used in a story contending
Bush disobeyed an order from his Air National Guard commander in 1972 are
suspicious and may be fakes."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5956557/
This administration is not above threatening broadcasters into debunking
factual or semi-factual documents.
James
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13 Sep 2004 09:39:05 AM |
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W=Waffler <jwa1968@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:Jwi1d.54$Y65.10@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Gactimus wrote:
By who? Certainly not by any credible source.
"Forensics experts say that documents CBS News used in a story
contending Bush disobeyed an order from his Air National Guard
commander in 1972 are suspicious and may be fakes."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5956557/
This administration is not above threatening broadcasters into debunking
factual or semi-factual documents.
Yet you have no proof. Typical.
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12 Sep 2004 06:09:16 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:37:46 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns9562ACB8CA84Dkeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:Xns9562AB3374157XP@alaska.local:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95629F9A4DA3Akeegannycaprrcom@24.24.2.166:
"This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the
Swift Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are
tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the
documentary evidence in the two cases is like night and day. In the
Swift Boat case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence
indicates that Kerry's accusers are lying. Conversely, in the National
Guard case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence
provides additional confirmation that the charges against Bush are
true."
Kevin Drum
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004656.php
Unfortunately for you, the above was written before the Bush guard
documents were shown to be forgeries.
see how easily i made you lie.
everyone knows the false claims of forgery put out in a defensive
reaction by the bush camp were completely debunked a few days ago.
By who? Certainly not by any credible source.
"Forensics experts say that documents CBS News used in a story contending
Bush disobeyed an order from his Air National Guard commander in 1972 are
suspicious and may be fakes."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5956557/
Of course, your quote there contradicts what you said up above. Notice
that these experts are not saying that the memos are fakes.
---
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful,
and so are we. They never stop thinking about
new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we."
President George W. Bush.
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