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User: "David W. Barnes"
Date: 17 Nov 2005 09:48:07 AM
Object: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting
A team of Justice Department lawyers and analysts who reviewed a
Georgia voter-identification law recommended rejecting it because it
was likely to discriminate against black voters, but they were
overruled the next day by higher-ranking officials at Justice,
according to department documents.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR200511
1602504.html
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User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 17 Nov 2005 12:04:57 PM
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:171120050748074301%dbarnes@aol.com...


A team of Justice Department lawyers and analysts who reviewed a
Georgia voter-identification law recommended rejecting it because it
was likely to discriminate against black voters, but they were
overruled the next day by higher-ranking officials at Justice,
according to department documents.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR200511
1602504.html

You're black, right?
LOL!
Why are you so racist?
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 17 Nov 2005 10:39:25 PM
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:171120050748074301%dbarnes@aol.com...

A team of Justice Department lawyers and analysts who reviewed a
Georgia voter-identification law recommended rejecting it because it
was likely to discriminate against black voters, but they were
overruled the next day by higher-ranking officials at Justice,
according to department documents.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR200511
1602504.html

You're black, right? LOL! Why are you so racist?

You don't know what color he is...and why are you wearing your white hood,
Klansman?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Manitoba 5, Houston 4 (November 17)
NEXT GAME: Friday, November 18 at Manitoba, 7:35
.

User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 17 Nov 2005 09:05:37 PM
In article <9B3ff.70805$ty1.22558@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, Johnny
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:171120050748074301%dbarnes@aol.com...


A team of Justice Department lawyers and analysts who reviewed a
Georgia voter-identification law recommended rejecting it because it
was likely to discriminate against black voters, but they were
overruled the next day by higher-ranking officials at Justice,
according to department documents.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR200511
1602504.html


You're black, right?
LOL!
Why are you so racist?

Racist how, cracker?
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 18 Nov 2005 09:26:28 AM
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:171120051905371590%dbarnes@aol.com...

In article <9B3ff.70805$ty1.22558@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, Johnny
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:171120050748074301%dbarnes@aol.com...


A team of Justice Department lawyers and analysts who reviewed a
Georgia voter-identification law recommended rejecting it because it
was likely to discriminate against black voters, but they were
overruled the next day by higher-ranking officials at Justice,
according to department documents.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR200511
1602504.html


You're black, right?
LOL!
Why are you so racist?


Racist how, cracker?

Your language and focus.
Do you think 'whitey' is against black people?
The problem goes further than that.
There are whiteys against whites and blacks.
Are you remembering the Margaret Sanger 'eliminate blacks' agenda?
.



User: ""

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 17 Nov 2005 01:43:09 PM
Bigotted Bastards of Georgia & bush's racist Justice Dept. won't stop
until the black vote is stiffled! As the population grows in that
state of hatred and intolerance, repuglicans fear a democratic takeover
- which to them is akin to losing the Civil War!
"Criticism of Voting Law Was Overruled"
"Justice Dept. Backed Georgia Measure Despite Fears of Discrimination"
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 17, 2005; A01
A team of Justice Department lawyers and analysts who reviewed a
Georgia voter-identification law recommended rejecting it because it
was likely to discriminate against black voters, but they were
overruled the next day by higher-ranking officials at Justice,
according to department documents.
The Justice Department has characterized the "pre-clearance" of the
controversial Georgia voter-identification program as a joint decision
by career and political appointees in the Civil Rights Division.
Republican proponents in Georgia have cited federal approval of the
program as evidence that it would not discriminate against African
Americans and other minorities.
But an Aug. 25 staff memo obtained by The Washington Post recommended
blocking the program because Georgia failed to show that the measure
would not dilute the votes of minority residents, as required under the
Voting Rights Act.
The memo, endorsed by four of the team's five members, also said the
state had provided flawed and incomplete data. The team found
significant evidence that the plan would be "retrogressive," meaning
that it would reduce blacks' access to the polls.
A day later, on Aug. 26, the chief of the department's voting rights
section, John Tanner, told Georgia officials that the program could go
forward. "The Attorney General does not interpose any objection to the
specified changes," he said in a letter to them.
Eric Holland, a Justice Department spokesman, said in a statement this
week that "disagreements are healthy in a debate" and that voting
rights decisions are made "after reviewing both the pros and cons very
carefully."
"At the end of the day, the section chief is responsible for tendering
a recommendation" to the assistant attorney general for civil rights,
he said.
The Georgia voter ID program has been the subject of fierce partisan
debate since it was approved by the state's Republican-controlled
legislature in March. The plan was blocked on constitutional grounds in
October by a U.S. District Court judge, who compared the measure to a
Jim Crow-era poll tax. A three-judge appellate panel, made up of one
Democratic and two Republican appointees, upheld the lower court's
injunction.
The program requires voters to obtain one of six forms of photo
identification before going to the polls, as opposed to 17 types of
identification currently allowed. Those without a driver's license or
other photo identification are required to obtain a special digital
identification card, which would cost $20 for five years and could be
obtained from motor vehicle offices in only 59 of the state's 159
counties.
Proponents said the measure was needed to combat voter fraud, but
opponents charged that Republicans were trying to keep black voters,
who tend to vote Democratic, away from the polls.
Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 requires Georgia and eight
other states, mostly in the South, to submit any voting rule changes
that might affect minority groups to the Justice Department for review.
The department can either halt the proposed changes with an objection
or issue a "pre-clearance" letter allowing them to proceed. Portions of
the act, including Section 5, are up for renewal in Congress, and
Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales has said that he supports
reauthorizing the law.
The Justice Department's decision to approve the Georgia measure was
the latest in a series of disputes within the Civil Rights Division,
which lost nearly 20 percent of its lawyers in 2005 and has assigned
dozens of those who remain to handle immigration cases instead of civil
rights litigation. In the voting rights section, which handles
election-related issues such as the Georgia plan, political appointees
also overruled career lawyers in approving GOP-backed redistricting
maps in Mississippi and Texas in recent years, current and former
employees have said.
The Voting Rights Act puts the legal burden on Georgia to show that
proposed election-related changes would not be retrogressive. According
to the Aug. 25 memo from the Justice review team, Georgia lawmakers and
state officials made little effort to research the possible racial
impact of the proposed program.
The 51-page memo recommended several steps that Georgia could take to
make the ID program fairer to minority voters, such as continuing to
allow the use of non-photo identification, such as birth certificates
and Social Security cards, that have not been shown to pose security
problems.
Those in favor of issuing an objection were Robert Berman, deputy chief
of the voting rights section; Amy Zubrensky, a trial lawyer; Heather
Moss, a civil rights analyst; and Toby Moore, a geographer, according
to the memo. A fifth member of the team, trial lawyer Joshua Rogers,
recommended approval, but the memo does not include his reasoning.
Berman did not return a call made to his office.
A key area of disagreement between the staff and their supervisors
appears to be the reliability of data provided by the Georgia
Department of Driver Services and other state agencies.
The staff memo noted that the records were riddled with errors,
including the unexpired licenses of dead people, and were "of a quality
far below what we are accustomed to using in the Voting Section." And
other sources, including the U.S. Census Bureau, showed that Georgia
blacks were much less likely than whites to own vehicles and also less
likely to have photo IDs, the memo said.
"While no single piece of data confirms that blacks will [be]
disparately impacted compared to whites, the totality of the evidence
points to that conclusion," the memo said. It added later: "The state
has failed to meet its burden of demonstrating that the change is not
retrogressive."
But Assistant Attorney General William E. Moschella cited the state's
data in an Oct. 7 letter to a senator that argues the number of
eligible voters without a photo ID is "extremely small."
"All individual data indicates that the state's African-American
citizens are, if anything, slightly more likely than white citizens to
possess one of the necessary forms of identification," Moschella wrote
to Sen. Christopher S. Bond (R-Mo.) in defense of the department's
decision.
State Sen. Bill Stephens, a Republican who helped win passage of the
legislation, said the Justice Department's approval was vital because
of the restrictions faced by Georgia under the Voting Rights Act.
"That is the most crucial part of any elections legislation we pass,"
said Stephens, who is a candidate for secretary of state. "We know we
have to await the Justice Department's pre-clearance of virtually
anything we do."
State Rep. Tyrone L. Brooks Sr., a Democrat and president of the
Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, said he was not
surprised by the Justice Department's position in the case.
"Some of my colleagues told me early on that, because of politics in
the Bush administration, no matter what the staff recommendation was,
this would be approved by the attorney general," Brooks said. "It's
disappointing that the staff recommendation was not accepted, because
that has been the norm since 1965."
=A9 2005 The Washington Post Company
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 17 Nov 2005 02:45:41 PM
wrote:

Bigotted Bastards of Georgia & bush's racist Justice Dept. won't stop
until the black vote is stiffled! As the population grows in that
state of hatred and intolerance, repuglicans fear a democratic takeover
- which to them is akin to losing the Civil War!

Can't stand that the voter fraud the Dems count on will be utterly
demolished by this law, eh? Try not to cry.



"Criticism of Voting Law Was Overruled"

"Justice Dept. Backed Georgia Measure Despite Fears of Discrimination"

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 17, 2005; A01

A team of Justice Department lawyers and analysts who reviewed a
Georgia voter-identification law recommended rejecting it because it
was likely to discriminate against black voters, but they were
overruled the next day by higher-ranking officials at Justice,
according to department documents.

The Justice Department has characterized the "pre-clearance" of the
controversial Georgia voter-identification program as a joint decision
by career and political appointees in the Civil Rights Division.
Republican proponents in Georgia have cited federal approval of the
program as evidence that it would not discriminate against African
Americans and other minorities.
But an Aug. 25 staff memo obtained by The Washington Post recommended
blocking the program because Georgia failed to show that the measure
would not dilute the votes of minority residents, as required under the
Voting Rights Act.

The memo, endorsed by four of the team's five members, also said the
state had provided flawed and incomplete data. The team found
significant evidence that the plan would be "retrogressive," meaning
that it would reduce blacks' access to the polls.

A day later, on Aug. 26, the chief of the department's voting rights
section, John Tanner, told Georgia officials that the program could go
forward. "The Attorney General does not interpose any objection to the
specified changes," he said in a letter to them.
Eric Holland, a Justice Department spokesman, said in a statement this
week that "disagreements are healthy in a debate" and that voting
rights decisions are made "after reviewing both the pros and cons very
carefully."

"At the end of the day, the section chief is responsible for tendering
a recommendation" to the assistant attorney general for civil rights,
he said.

The Georgia voter ID program has been the subject of fierce partisan
debate since it was approved by the state's Republican-controlled
legislature in March. The plan was blocked on constitutional grounds in
October by a U.S. District Court judge, who compared the measure to a
Jim Crow-era poll tax. A three-judge appellate panel, made up of one
Democratic and two Republican appointees, upheld the lower court's
injunction.

The program requires voters to obtain one of six forms of photo
identification before going to the polls, as opposed to 17 types of
identification currently allowed. Those without a driver's license or
other photo identification are required to obtain a special digital
identification card, which would cost $20 for five years and could be
obtained from motor vehicle offices in only 59 of the state's 159
counties.

Proponents said the measure was needed to combat voter fraud, but
opponents charged that Republicans were trying to keep black voters,
who tend to vote Democratic, away from the polls.
Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 requires Georgia and eight
other states, mostly in the South, to submit any voting rule changes
that might affect minority groups to the Justice Department for review.
The department can either halt the proposed changes with an objection
or issue a "pre-clearance" letter allowing them to proceed. Portions of
the act, including Section 5, are up for renewal in Congress, and
Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales has said that he supports
reauthorizing the law.

The Justice Department's decision to approve the Georgia measure was
the latest in a series of disputes within the Civil Rights Division,
which lost nearly 20 percent of its lawyers in 2005 and has assigned
dozens of those who remain to handle immigration cases instead of civil
rights litigation. In the voting rights section, which handles
election-related issues such as the Georgia plan, political appointees
also overruled career lawyers in approving GOP-backed redistricting
maps in Mississippi and Texas in recent years, current and former
employees have said.
The Voting Rights Act puts the legal burden on Georgia to show that
proposed election-related changes would not be retrogressive. According
to the Aug. 25 memo from the Justice review team, Georgia lawmakers and
state officials made little effort to research the possible racial
impact of the proposed program.

The 51-page memo recommended several steps that Georgia could take to
make the ID program fairer to minority voters, such as continuing to
allow the use of non-photo identification, such as birth certificates
and Social Security cards, that have not been shown to pose security
problems.
Those in favor of issuing an objection were Robert Berman, deputy chief
of the voting rights section; Amy Zubrensky, a trial lawyer; Heather
Moss, a civil rights analyst; and Toby Moore, a geographer, according
to the memo. A fifth member of the team, trial lawyer Joshua Rogers,
recommended approval, but the memo does not include his reasoning.
Berman did not return a call made to his office.

A key area of disagreement between the staff and their supervisors
appears to be the reliability of data provided by the Georgia
Department of Driver Services and other state agencies.
The staff memo noted that the records were riddled with errors,
including the unexpired licenses of dead people, and were "of a quality
far below what we are accustomed to using in the Voting Section." And
other sources, including the U.S. Census Bureau, showed that Georgia
blacks were much less likely than whites to own vehicles and also less
likely to have photo IDs, the memo said.

"While no single piece of data confirms that blacks will [be]
disparately impacted compared to whites, the totality of the evidence
points to that conclusion," the memo said. It added later: "The state
has failed to meet its burden of demonstrating that the change is not
retrogressive."
But Assistant Attorney General William E. Moschella cited the state's
data in an Oct. 7 letter to a senator that argues the number of
eligible voters without a photo ID is "extremely small."

"All individual data indicates that the state's African-American
citizens are, if anything, slightly more likely than white citizens to
possess one of the necessary forms of identification," Moschella wrote
to Sen. Christopher S. Bond (R-Mo.) in defense of the department's
decision.
State Sen. Bill Stephens, a Republican who helped win passage of the
legislation, said the Justice Department's approval was vital because
of the restrictions faced by Georgia under the Voting Rights Act.

"That is the most crucial part of any elections legislation we pass,"
said Stephens, who is a candidate for secretary of state. "We know we
have to await the Justice Department's pre-clearance of virtually
anything we do."

State Rep. Tyrone L. Brooks Sr., a Democrat and president of the
Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, said he was not
surprised by the Justice Department's position in the case.
"Some of my colleagues told me early on that, because of politics in
the Bush administration, no matter what the staff recommendation was,
this would be approved by the attorney general," Brooks said. "It's
disappointing that the staff recommendation was not accepted, because
that has been the norm since 1965."

? 2005 The Washington Post Company

.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 17 Nov 2005 09:05:37 PM
In article <1132260341.042433.34160@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

slipuvalad@yahoo.com wrote:

Bigotted Bastards of Georgia & bush's racist Justice Dept. won't stop
until the black vote is stiffled! As the population grows in that
state of hatred and intolerance, repuglicans fear a democratic takeover
- which to them is akin to losing the Civil War!


Can't stand that the voter fraud the Dems count on will be utterly
demolished by this law, eh? Try not to cry.

The Republicans call blacks voting "voter fraud."
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 18 Nov 2005 05:19:45 PM
David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <1132260341.042433.34160@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

slipuvalad@yahoo.com wrote:

Bigotted Bastards of Georgia & bush's racist Justice Dept. won't stop
until the black vote is stiffled! As the population grows in that
state of hatred and intolerance, repuglicans fear a democratic takeover
- which to them is akin to losing the Civil War!


Can't stand that the voter fraud the Dems count on will be utterly
demolished by this law, eh? Try not to cry.


The Republicans call blacks voting "voter fraud."

No, they call voter fraud "voter fraud," which this law will completely
destroy. No wonder you hate it so much.
.




User: "Attila"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 18 Nov 2005 06:35:59 AM
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:48:07 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <171120050748074301%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
Off topic
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 17 Nov 2005 02:44:46 PM
What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud? Try to control your hysteria.
David W. Barnes wrote:

A team of Justice Department lawyers and analysts who reviewed a
Georgia voter-identification law recommended rejecting it because it
was likely to discriminate against black voters, but they were
overruled the next day by higher-ranking officials at Justice,
according to department documents.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR200511
1602504.html

.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 17 Nov 2005 10:53:34 PM
<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud?

Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".
Republican racism.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 18 Nov 2005 05:22:33 PM
Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud?


Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".

Republican racism.

I understand how incensed you are over this law completely stopping
voter fraud, but do try to keep from lying so completely next time,
liar.


--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 18 Nov 2005 09:06:37 PM
<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud?


Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".

Republican racism.


I understand how incensed you are over this law completely stopping
voter fraud,

There it is again - the right-wing kook insisting that black votes are
fraud.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 19 Nov 2005 12:34:20 AM
Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud?


Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".

Republican racism.


I understand how incensed you are over this law completely stopping
voter fraud,


There it is again - the right-wing kook insisting that black votes are
fraud.

Like I said, if you're going to lie, at least try to do it competently.
I know you guys count on voter fraud and can't stand the idea of photo
ID's utterly destroying it, but try to control your hysteria.


--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

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User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 19 Nov 2005 02:14:22 AM
wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

<

> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

<

> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud?


Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".

Republican racism.


I understand how incensed you are over this law completely stopping
voter fraud,


There it is again - the right-wing kook insisting that black votes are
fraud.


Like I said, if you're going to lie, at least try to do it competently.
I know you guys count on voter fraud and can't stand the idea of photo
ID's utterly destroying it, but try to control your hysteria.

I think having a national ID would help a lot.
Here is something else I wondered about. Voting on the internet. I
think it is highly possible that one day we may see it where you can
log on the internet and cast a vote.
There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be addressed...people
selling their votes.
What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting? Are we not American citizens? Why do they
have to always make race an issue...who cares how many black, hispanic,
or whites vote. What's important is...we vote.


--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 19 Nov 2005 09:52:22 AM
In article <1132388062.938301.18960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud?


Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".

Republican racism.


I understand how incensed you are over this law completely stopping
voter fraud,


There it is again - the right-wing kook insisting that black votes are
fraud.


Like I said, if you're going to lie, at least try to do it competently.
I know you guys count on voter fraud and can't stand the idea of photo
ID's utterly destroying it, but try to control your hysteria.


I think having a national ID would help a lot.

It "helped" the Gestapo.

Here is something else I wondered about. Voting on the internet. I
think it is highly possible that one day we may see it where you can
log on the internet and cast a vote.

That has already been discussed. Republicans oppose it. Republicans
don't want people voting.

There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be addressed...people
selling their votes.

They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?

Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made it
an issue.

Are we not American citizens?

Sadly, I suspect you are.

Why do they
have to always make race an issue...who cares how many black, hispanic,
or whites vote.

Oh, brother.

What's important is...we vote.

No - what is important is who we vote for - dummy.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 19 Nov 2005 06:17:20 PM
David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <1132388062.938301.18960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud?


Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".

Republican racism.


I understand how incensed you are over this law completely stopping
voter fraud,


There it is again - the right-wing kook insisting that black votes are
fraud.


Like I said, if you're going to lie, at least try to do it competently.
I know you guys count on voter fraud and can't stand the idea of photo
ID's utterly destroying it, but try to control your hysteria.


I think having a national ID would help a lot.


It "helped" the Gestapo.

If you're going to surrender, you should email it to the poster so you
don't continue publically humiliating yourself.


Here is something else I wondered about. Voting on the internet. I
think it is highly possible that one day we may see it where you can
log on the internet and cast a vote.


That has already been discussed. Republicans oppose it. Republicans
don't want people voting.

Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made it
an issue.

Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating :)


Are we not American citizens?


Sadly, I suspect you are.

Why do they
have to always make race an issue...who cares how many black, hispanic,
or whites vote.


Oh, brother.

A simple "I have to admit, you're right" would've sufficed.


What's important is...we vote.


No - what is important is who we vote for - dummy.

.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 19 Nov 2005 07:17:03 PM
wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <1132388062.938301.18960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

<

> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

<

> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud?


Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".

Republican racism.


I understand how incensed you are over this law completely stopping
voter fraud,


There it is again - the right-wing kook insisting that black votes are
fraud.


Like I said, if you're going to lie, at least try to do it competently.
I know you guys count on voter fraud and can't stand the idea of photo
ID's utterly destroying it, but try to control your hysteria.


I think having a national ID would help a lot.


It "helped" the Gestapo.


If you're going to surrender, you should email it to the poster so you
don't continue publically humiliating yourself.


Here is something else I wondered about. Voting on the internet. I
think it is highly possible that one day we may see it where you can
log on the internet and cast a vote.


That has already been discussed. Republicans oppose it. Republicans
don't want people voting.


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating :)


Are we not American citizens?


Sadly, I suspect you are.

Why do they
have to always make race an issue...who cares how many black, hispanic,
or whites vote.


Oh, brother.


A simple "I have to admit, you're right" would've sufficed.

You have to understand, Barnes is all about himself and he will lie at
every opportunity possible. It's impossible to deal with him at all, he
is completely unreasonable.
He has told so many lies about myself, go and read some of his comments
he has made about me in this newsgroup, then ask him to support them.
You will see the circus you get out of him.
he has claimed I was reprimanded at work.
he claimed I had my security clearance reduced.
he claimed I was disciplined in the Air Force.
the list goes on..it's well over two dozen different and seperate
claims he has made.
If he should start to make some in this thread, find them and ask him
to support them with evidence. Watch the circles he tries to run.



What's important is...we vote.


No - what is important is who we vote for - dummy.

.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 19 Nov 2005 08:50:16 PM
In article <1132449423.153383.113260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <1132388062.938301.18960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying

rampant

voter fraud?


Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".

Republican racism.


I understand how incensed you are over this law completely stopping
voter fraud,


There it is again - the right-wing kook insisting that black votes
are
fraud.


Like I said, if you're going to lie, at least try to do it
competently.
I know you guys count on voter fraud and can't stand the idea of photo
ID's utterly destroying it, but try to control your hysteria.


I think having a national ID would help a lot.


It "helped" the Gestapo.


If you're going to surrender, you should email it to the poster so you
don't continue publically humiliating yourself.


Here is something else I wondered about. Voting on the internet. I
think it is highly possible that one day we may see it where you can
log on the internet and cast a vote.


That has already been discussed. Republicans oppose it. Republicans
don't want people voting.


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating :)


Are we not American citizens?


Sadly, I suspect you are.

Why do they
have to always make race an issue...who cares how many black, hispanic,
or whites vote.


Oh, brother.


A simple "I have to admit, you're right" would've sufficed.


You have to understand, Barnes is all about himself and he will lie at
every opportunity possible. It's impossible to deal with him at all, he
is completely unreasonable.

Osprey thinks that when someone beats the ***** out of him debating,
they are being unreasonable. He is so scared of me he can't speak to
me directly but must instead speak to me through others. Not THAT is
cowardice.


He has told so many lies about myself, go and read some of his comments
he has made about me in this newsgroup, then ask him to support them.
You will see the circus you get out of him.

he has claimed I was reprimanded at work.

I was told you were.

he claimed I had my security clearance reduced.

Liar

he claimed I was disciplined in the Air Force.

I was told you were.


the list goes on..it's well over two dozen different and seperate
claims he has made.

I once claimed, for example, that you can't spell "separate." Oh wait!
That is true!


If he should start to make some in this thread, find them and ask him
to support them with evidence. Watch the circles he tries to run.

Meaning Osprey tries to avoid the truth by claiming people lie when
they don't. Big deal.





What's important is...we vote.


No - what is important is who we vote for - dummy.


.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 19 Nov 2005 11:06:16 PM
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <1132388062.938301.18960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud?


Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".

Republican racism.


I understand how incensed you are over this law completely stopping
voter fraud,


There it is again - the right-wing kook insisting that black votes are
fraud.


Like I said, if you're going to lie, at least try to do it competently.
I know you guys count on voter fraud and can't stand the idea of photo
ID's utterly destroying it, but try to control your hysteria.


I think having a national ID would help a lot.


It "helped" the Gestapo.


If you're going to surrender, you should email it to the poster so you
don't continue publically humiliating yourself.


Here is something else I wondered about. Voting on the internet. I
think it is highly possible that one day we may see it where you can
log on the internet and cast a vote.


That has already been discussed. Republicans oppose it. Republicans
don't want people voting.


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating :)


Are we not American citizens?


Sadly, I suspect you are.

Why do they
have to always make race an issue...who cares how many black, hispanic,
or whites vote.


Oh, brother.


A simple "I have to admit, you're right" would've sufficed.


You have to understand, Barnes is all about himself and he will lie at

Robert Heishman has a habit of lying about people and nothing he says
about anybody can be believed.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Mimi Cohen"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 19 Nov 2005 08:00:43 PM
osprey lied:

to
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en


"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en

.


User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 19 Nov 2005 08:50:16 PM
In article <1132445840.111824.204870@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <1132388062.938301.18960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

omarenoryt@aol.com wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:


Ray Fischer wrote:

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

What's wrong, in total panic mode over this law destroying rampant
voter fraud?


Smirk. When blacks vote it's "fraud".

Republican racism.


I understand how incensed you are over this law completely stopping
voter fraud,


There it is again - the right-wing kook insisting that black votes are
fraud.


Like I said, if you're going to lie, at least try to do it competently.
I know you guys count on voter fraud and can't stand the idea of photo
ID's utterly destroying it, but try to control your hysteria.


I think having a national ID would help a lot.


It "helped" the Gestapo.


If you're going to surrender, you should email it to the poster so you
don't continue publically humiliating yourself.

If I ever decide to surrender, I'll consider your advise.



Here is something else I wondered about. Voting on the internet. I
think it is highly possible that one day we may see it where you can
log on the internet and cast a vote.


That has already been discussed. Republicans oppose it. Republicans
don't want people voting.


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.

The reason Republicans don't want people to vote is they know most of
America is behind the Democrats.



There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating :)

Untrue. But lying seems to be old hat to Republicans lately.



Are we not American citizens?


Sadly, I suspect you are.

Why do they
have to always make race an issue...who cares how many black, hispanic,
or whites vote.


Oh, brother.


A simple "I have to admit, you're right" would've sufficed.

Is this how you get through life? By convincing yourself you have won
when you lost?



What's important is...we vote.


No - what is important is who we vote for - dummy.


.
User: ""

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 21 Nov 2005 03:22:12 PM
David W. Barnes wrote:


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


The reason Republicans don't want people to vote is they know most of
America is behind the Democrats.

I understand your need to lie, but you might want to curb the full-on
delusions.




There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating :)


Untrue. But lying seems to be old hat to Republicans lately.

Again, I'm sorry that the DNC is the one that idiotically injected race
into an ID bill. Better luck lying next time.
.
User: "George"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 21 Nov 2005 03:35:24 PM
On 2005-11-21 13:22:12 -0800,
said:

David W. Barnes wrote:


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


The reason Republicans don't want people to vote is they know most of
America is behind the Democrats.


I understand your need to lie, but you might want to curb the full-on
delusions.




There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating :)


Untrue. But lying seems to be old hat to Republicans lately.


Again, I'm sorry that the DNC is the one that idiotically injected race
into an ID bill. Better luck lying next time.

That apparently means you want to ignore the impact this bill would
have on blacks. How Republican of you.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 22 Nov 2005 11:58:51 AM
George wrote:

On 2005-11-21 13:22:12 -0800,

said:

David W. Barnes wrote:


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


The reason Republicans don't want people to vote is they know most of
America is behind the Democrats.


I understand your need to lie, but you might want to curb the full-on
delusions.




There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating :)


Untrue. But lying seems to be old hat to Republicans lately.


Again, I'm sorry that the DNC is the one that idiotically injected race
into an ID bill. Better luck lying next time.


That apparently means you want to ignore the impact this bill would
have on blacks. How Republican of you.

Like I said, it's the DNC that constantly injects race into arguments
they can't win. Thanks for proving it.
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 22 Nov 2005 02:06:02 PM
<
> wrote in message
news:1132682331.132348.18210@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


George wrote:

On 2005-11-21 13:22:12 -0800,

said:

David W. Barnes wrote:


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


The reason Republicans don't want people to vote is they know most of
America is behind the Democrats.


I understand your need to lie, but you might want to curb the full-on
delusions.




There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I
think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back
on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be
addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made
it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating
:)


Untrue. But lying seems to be old hat to Republicans lately.


Again, I'm sorry that the DNC is the one that idiotically injected race
into an ID bill. Better luck lying next time.


That apparently means you want to ignore the impact this bill would
have on blacks. How Republican of you.


Like I said, it's the DNC that constantly injects race into arguments
they can't win. Thanks for proving it.

It's the DNC that is constantly preaching affirmative action. Affirmative
action is nothing more than discrimination. It's also the Democrats who
feel that test should be changed in order for minorities to score higher,
example: State Trooper Exams.
In other words it's the DNC who feels women and minorities are not
intelligent enough to take standard examinations.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 22 Nov 2005 10:48:00 PM
In article <ppadncBrZrVJ5B7enZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

<

> wrote in message
news:1132682331.132348.18210@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


George wrote:

On 2005-11-21 13:22:12 -0800,

said:

David W. Barnes wrote:


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


The reason Republicans don't want people to vote is they know most of
America is behind the Democrats.


I understand your need to lie, but you might want to curb the full-on
delusions.




There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I
think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back
on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be
addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made
it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating
:)


Untrue. But lying seems to be old hat to Republicans lately.


Again, I'm sorry that the DNC is the one that idiotically injected race
into an ID bill. Better luck lying next time.


That apparently means you want to ignore the impact this bill would
have on blacks. How Republican of you.


Like I said, it's the DNC that constantly injects race into arguments
they can't win. Thanks for proving it.


It's the DNC that is constantly preaching affirmative action. Affirmative
action is nothing more than discrimination. It's also the Democrats who
feel that test should be changed in order for minorities to score higher,
example: State Trooper Exams.

Osprey objects to taking the gender and race based prejudices out of
the State Trooper exam. (Which Osprey has already FAILED.)

In other words it's the DNC who feels women and minorities are not
intelligent enough to take standard examinations.

The Right Wing has a problem with making exams fair. What a surprise!
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 22 Nov 2005 08:17:19 PM
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:


<

> wrote in message
news:1132682331.132348.18210@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


George wrote:

On 2005-11-21 13:22:12 -0800,

said:

David W. Barnes wrote:


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


The reason Republicans don't want people to vote is they know most of
America is behind the Democrats.


I understand your need to lie, but you might want to curb the full-on
delusions.




There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I
think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back
on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be
addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made
it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating
:)


Untrue. But lying seems to be old hat to Republicans lately.


Again, I'm sorry that the DNC is the one that idiotically injected race
into an ID bill. Better luck lying next time.


That apparently means you want to ignore the impact this bill would
have on blacks. How Republican of you.


Like I said, it's the DNC that constantly injects race into arguments
they can't win. Thanks for proving it.


It's the DNC that is constantly preaching affirmative action.

heishman is a liar.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.


User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 22 Nov 2005 10:48:00 PM
In article <1132682331.132348.18210@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
<
> wrote:

George wrote:

On 2005-11-21 13:22:12 -0800,

said:

David W. Barnes wrote:


Why would Republicans not want people voting? Try making sense next
time.


The reason Republicans don't want people to vote is they know most of
America is behind the Democrats.


I understand your need to lie, but you might want to curb the full-on
delusions.




There are a lot of bugs that would have to be worked out, but I think
it's possible we could see it one day.
Possibly the Federal Government can come up with a data base and
citizens who are registered voters will be able to get a ID and
password, log on and vote. Once they vote, they can not log back on
and you are logged off immediately after a vote is casted.
One major problem I see with it and would have to be
addressed...people
selling their votes.


They do that now.


What is disturbing in this thread though is...why do Democrats make
race an issue with voting?


Osprey sees what he wants to see. It was the Republicans who made it
an issue.


Democrats are the ones who brought up race, liar. Continue sweating :)


Untrue. But lying seems to be old hat to Republicans lately.


Again, I'm sorry that the DNC is the one that idiotically injected race
into an ID bill. Better luck lying next time.


That apparently means you want to ignore the impact this bill would
have on blacks. How Republican of you.


Like I said, it's the DNC that constantly injects race into arguments
they can't win. Thanks for proving it.

Another Right Wing idiot who thinks if he keep repeating things people
will believe it. (But then, it works with the Right Wing!)
.







User: "Mimi Cohen"

Title: Re: Republicans Continue To Try To Stop Blacks From Voting 19 Nov 2005 09:22:51 AM
osprey lied:

I think
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en


"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en

.








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