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22 May 2005 01:22:20 PM |
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"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
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Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and woman to
be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and unless you repent,
you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Nope, but saying that it is a sin when it's not a sin, is a sin in itself.
It's a double-sin to say that it's a sin to say that it's not a sin to
anyone who says that saying that it is a sin when it's not a sin is a sin in
itself.
So, I'd be careful if I were you . . . you're treading on thin ice, my
friend . . .
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22 May 2005 01:20:53 PM |
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Reverend Spitz;
I am a Lesbian, a professional, an activist and a leader. I am a
danger to all that you seem to enshrine.
I worked to find ways to extend Title VII protections to homosexuals(at
least some) and to block my states attemt to end gay adoptions and get
an amendment barring same -sex marriage through the legislature.
I am respected, even admired.
I am impeccably acceptable in society.
How soon will I be a target like the gynecologists are?
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"I wasn't born to be a fighter. The causes I have fought for have
invariably been causes that should have been gained by a delicate
suggestion. Since they never were, I made myself into a fighter."
Margaret Anderson
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22 May 2005 01:16:04 PM |
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"Rev. Donald Spitz" wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and unless
you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
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SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell
because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins
and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and
take away my sins and give me eternal life. http://www.ArmyofGod.com
Cute group that you belong to Rev.
Glorifying the murderers of gynecologists.
How soon will you begin to kill gay and Lesbian activist to "save"
marriage?
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"I wasn't born to be a fighter. The causes I have fought for have
invariably been causes that should have been gained by a delicate
suggestion. Since they never were, I made myself into a fighter."
Margaret Anderson
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22 May 2005 01:32:13 PM |
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"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
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God made man and woman...
Prove it.
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23 May 2005 10:30:24 PM |
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in article ZI3ke.15547$Fv.3209@lakeread01, Rev. Donald Spitz at
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Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and woman to
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22 May 2005 10:08:03 PM |
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 13:56:11 -0400, "Rev. Donald Spitz"
<Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ZI3ke.15547$Fv.3209@lakeread01> wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Which may mean something to those you pay any attention to your god
but not to the majority.
God
Prove any god exists.
made man and woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an
abomination and unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Prove any hellfire exists.
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23 May 2005 02:23:26 AM |
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 23:08:03 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote
or quoted :
Prove any god exists.
Forget proof, show even a scrap of evidence. Then when if you can do
that, see if you can find a scrap of evidence linking the bible and
God.
Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
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Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
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23 May 2005 02:21:57 AM |
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 13:56:11 -0400, "Rev. Donald Spitz"
<Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote or quoted :
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and =
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and unless =
you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
You are correct, Leviticus said same sex sex was an abomination, but
you forgot to notice that nearly everything is an abomination to that
sadistic prude's twisted mind.
Here a few of the things the KJV calls an abomination:
Milcom, not a high tech firm, but the god of the Ammonites.
~ I Kings 11
non-believers (heathens, infidels)
~ II Chronicles 28
doing evil
~ II Kings 21
Ashtoreth, the god of the Zidonians
~ II Kings 23
Following any religion but Judaism
~ Deuteronomy 12
Sacrificing a sheep with a blemish
~ Deuteron 13
Snake charming
~ Deuteronomy 18
being of the tribe of the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites,
Hivites or Jebusites;
~ Deuteronomy 20.
Presumably this could be extended to any form of rooting for anyone
but the home team.
Women wearing trousers
~ Deuteronomy 22
mentioning the price of a dog in church
~ Deuteronomy 23
marrying a divorced woman
~ Deuteronomy 24
secretly casting plaster figurines.
~ Deuteronomy 27
owning a statue of the Buddha
~ Deuteronomy 7
Oppressing the poor and needy
~ Ezekiel 18
Charging interest on a loan
~ Ezekiel 18
Adultery
~ Ezekiel 22
Refusing to sit together at a meal
~ Genesis 43
Burning incense in church
~ Isaiah 1
Eating pork
~ Isaiah 66
Eating lobster, clams, shrimp, oysters, camel, rabbit, pork, swans,
owls, eagles, ospreys, bats, dogs and snails.
~ Leviticus 11
secretly wishing you had what your neighbour has.
~ Luke 16
marrying outside the faith
~ Malachi 2
owning an inaccurate scale
~ Proverbs 1
lying
~ Proverbs 12
having wicked thoughts
~ Proverbs 15
being proud
~ Proverbs 16
justifying the wicked or condemning the just.
~ Proverbs 17
praying if you don't learn the law first.
~ Proverbs 28
being stubborn or rebellious
~ Proverbs 3
to be proud, to lie, to shed innocent blood, to have wicked
imagination, to be mischievous, to bear false witness, to lie or to
sow discord.
~ Proverbs 6
Any form of wickedness
~ Proverbs 8
and on an on.
So WHY are you so excited about only the homosexual abomination,
but ignore the many much more frequently mentioned and more frequently
violated abominations.
"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals, and 362 to
heterosexuals. This doesn't mean God doesn't love heterosexuals, it's
just that they need more supervision."
~ Lynn Lavner, a lesbian comic
Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
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Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
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24 May 2005 02:10:45 AM |
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On Sun, 22 May 2005 13:56:11 -0400, "Rev. Donald Spitz"
<Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Sonebody ain't gettin' any!
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22 May 2005 02:28:45 PM |
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Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
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SAY THIS PRAYER: Hey Jesus, this is the Reverend Donald Spitz. I'm
pretty much opposed to your preaching all that crap about love,
forgiveness, and tolerance. In my opinion, A True God is vengeful and
hates people. He smites his enemies, and really likes to beat up on
gays who, as everyone knows, are children of the Devil. A True God
doesn't care at all for that pinko hippy love-fest nonsense You seem to
like so much. But I've been told - and I've been telling people - that
I should talk to You to get a good seat in heaven, so here I am.
Waddaya say you put in a good word with the Big Guy for me, OK? Thanks,
Dude. http://www.godhates.com/
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22 May 2005 01:49:24 PM |
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Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Not according to my beliefs, it isn't. And you have no right to demand
that I follow your beliefs.
God made man and woman to be married.
No such entity seems to exist. Genders evolved early in the
evolutionary process, and humans evolved from primate ancestors a few
million years ago.
If you think that your deity exists, let's see your objective evidence.
Same sex sex is a sin
Not according to my beliefs. And you cannot force anyone else to
follow your hateful and intolerant beliefs.
and an abomination
No, it is not. I have never seen any reason to think that it is an
abomination.
and unless you repent,
Why? Nothing that you mentioned requires any repentance. Even
assuming that their is someone to repent to.
you will spend eternity in hellfire.
It is doubtful that such a place exists. But if it does, I am sure
that you will enjoy your hot bath there.
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SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal
hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away
my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my
heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life.
http://www.ArmyofGod.com
A group of bigots and murderers that do not respect the rights of
others. A group of terrorists, plain and simple.
Besides, why should I pray to someone that does not exist?
Mark Sebree
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22 May 2005 09:34:51 PM |
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Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
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SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal
hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away
my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my
heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life.
http://www.ArmyofGod.com
Since you believe same gender sex is a sin, I'd advise you not to
practice it. And don't think about it either.
JohnN
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22 May 2005 02:25:41 PM |
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Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Reverend, go to hell.
30 seconds on the Army of God website has convinced me that you'll wind
up there anyway.
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22 May 2005 05:20:10 PM |
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<paulmd@efn.org> wrote in message
news:1116789941.004246.266430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Reverend, go to hell.
You want him preaching there?
How will you ever get what you want if Christianity is in hell?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
30 seconds on the Army of God website has convinced me that you'll wind
up there anyway.
[groups trimmed to 5]
That is where you like to hear his words?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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22 May 2005 06:41:55 PM |
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"paulmd@efn.org" <paulmd@efn.org> writes:
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Reverend, go to hell.
They threw him out...for being beneath *their* standards.
30 seconds on the Army of God website has convinced me that you'll wind
up there anyway.
Count me as one of the people who won't be mourning in the least the day he
gets his ticket punched.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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24 May 2005 02:20:32 AM |
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On 22 May 2005 18:41:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
"paulmd@efn.org" <paulmd@efn.org> writes:
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Reverend, go to hell.
They threw him out...for being beneath *their* standards.
30 seconds on the Army of God website has convinced me that you'll wind
up there anyway.
Count me as one of the people who won't be mourning in the least the day he
gets his ticket punched.
Patrick -- what is going on with your site? (I cannot seem to load it
in completion, from either computer and various browsers).
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24 May 2005 08:05:41 AM |
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Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 22 May 2005 18:41:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
"paulmd@efn.org" <paulmd@efn.org> writes:
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Reverend, go to hell.
They threw him out...for being beneath *their* standards.
30 seconds on the Army of God website has convinced me that you'll wind
up there anyway.
Count me as one of the people who won't be mourning in the least the day he
gets his ticket punched.
Patrick -- what is going on with your site? (I cannot seem to load it
in completion, from either computer and various browsers).
Good question...for some reason, I've gotten no e-mail since Sunday night, and
that's more than a little unusual.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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24 May 2005 10:15:23 PM |
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On 24 May 2005 08:05:41 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 22 May 2005 18:41:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
"paulmd@efn.org" <paulmd@efn.org> writes:
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Reverend, go to hell.
They threw him out...for being beneath *their* standards.
30 seconds on the Army of God website has convinced me that you'll wind
up there anyway.
Count me as one of the people who won't be mourning in the least the day he
gets his ticket punched.
Patrick -- what is going on with your site? (I cannot seem to load it
in completion, from either computer and various browsers).
Good question...for some reason, I've gotten no e-mail since Sunday night, and
that's more than a little unusual.
ANy updates?
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24 May 2005 10:17:58 PM |
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Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 24 May 2005 08:05:41 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 22 May 2005 18:41:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
"paulmd@efn.org" <paulmd@efn.org> writes:
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Reverend, go to hell.
They threw him out...for being beneath *their* standards.
30 seconds on the Army of God website has convinced me that you'll wind
up there anyway.
Count me as one of the people who won't be mourning in the least the day he
gets his ticket punched.
Patrick -- what is going on with your site? (I cannot seem to load it
in completion, from either computer and various browsers).
Good question...for some reason, I've gotten no e-mail since Sunday night,
and that's more than a little unusual.
ANy updates?
SMTP seems to be working again...as for the web site, where is it breaking
down (does it consistently bog down at a certain point)?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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26 May 2005 10:26:45 PM |
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On 24 May 2005 22:17:58 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 24 May 2005 08:05:41 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 22 May 2005 18:41:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
"paulmd@efn.org" <paulmd@efn.org> writes:
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Reverend, go to hell.
They threw him out...for being beneath *their* standards.
30 seconds on the Army of God website has convinced me that you'll wind
up there anyway.
Count me as one of the people who won't be mourning in the least the day he
gets his ticket punched.
Patrick -- what is going on with your site? (I cannot seem to load it
in completion, from either computer and various browsers).
Good question...for some reason, I've gotten no e-mail since Sunday night,
and that's more than a little unusual.
ANy updates?
SMTP seems to be working again...as for the web site, where is it breaking
down (does it consistently bog down at a certain point)?
The photo gallery, the introduction page to your home page and your
areos page is skewed.
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26 May 2005 11:39:05 PM |
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Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 24 May 2005 22:17:58 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 24 May 2005 08:05:41 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
Somewriter <sappywriter@poetic.com> writes:
On 22 May 2005 18:41:55 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
"paulmd@efn.org" <paulmd@efn.org> writes:
Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
Reverend, go to hell.
They threw him out...for being beneath *their* standards.
30 seconds on the Army of God website has convinced me that you'll wind
up there anyway.
Count me as one of the people who won't be mourning in the least the day
he gets his ticket punched.
Patrick -- what is going on with your site? (I cannot seem to load it
in completion, from either computer and various browsers).
Good question...for some reason, I've gotten no e-mail since Sunday night,
and that's more than a little unusual.
ANy updates?
SMTP seems to be working again...as for the web site, where is it breaking
down (does it consistently bog down at a certain point)?
The photo gallery, the introduction page to your home page and your
areos page is skewed.
It was apparently a glitch on my part, setting the access logs' permissions
wrong...so did you get the e-mail I sent about that? (Might as well make sure
that's in order.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
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| User: "Alex Hunsley" |
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| Title: Re: TinkerBell-Same sex sex is a sin. |
22 May 2005 07:10:39 PM |
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Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin. God made man and
woman to be married. Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and unless
you repent, you will spend eternity in hellfire.
God hates html being posted to usenet. You're making him cry, so stop.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Re:TinkerBell-Same sex sex is a sin. |
22 Nov 2005 04:29:46 PM |
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"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message =
news:ZI3ke.15547$Fv.3209@lakeread01...
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin.=20
You sure that TinkerBell and his/her mate had never committed =
themselves to each other, and had never became one flesh ?
God made man and woman to be married.
God didn't cease creating with Adam and Eve, or you wouldn't be here.
Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and unless you repent, you =
will spend eternity in hellfire.
Christianity (New Testament) and Judaism (Old Testament) aren't under =
the same Covenant
--=20
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal =
hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my =
sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my =
heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. =
http://www.ArmyofGod.com=20
One sin is to judge others, as unlike God, we lack all the facts.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>You sure that TinkerBell and his/her mate had =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>God made man and woman to be =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>God didn't cease creating with Adam and Eve, =
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wouldn't be here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination =
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: TinkerBell-Same sex sex is a sin. |
22 Nov 2005 05:45:53 PM |
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<piggyback response>
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com
<mailto:Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com>> wrote in message
news:ZI3ke.15547$Fv.3209@lakeread01...
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Then obviously you must be supporting same-sex marriage!
<snip>
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+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: TinkerBell-Same sex sex is a sin. |
25 Nov 2005 08:15:19 PM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mbydnR1qj9IsMB7enZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@golden.net...
<piggyback response>
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com
<mailto:Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com>> wrote in message
news:ZI3ke.15547$Fv.3209@lakeread01...
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Then obviously you must be supporting same-sex marriage!
Personally ? I do (yes, many hetrosexuals, as myself, support it)
<snip>
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+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: TinkerBell-Same sex sex is a sin. |
25 Nov 2005 08:17:14 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:11ofgn1l20t8he4@corp.supernews.com...
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mbydnR1qj9IsMB7enZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@golden.net...
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com
<mailto:Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com>> wrote in message
news:ZI3ke.15547$Fv.3209@lakeread01...
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Then obviously you must be supporting same-sex marriage!
Personally ? I do (yes, many hetrosexuals, as myself, support it)
And many heterosexuals don't support it.
That's a part of life you have to deal with.
<snip>
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+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: TinkerBell-Same sex sex is a sin. |
25 Nov 2005 08:44:52 PM |
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In article <J7edndzAHsH9WBreRVn-tA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:11ofgn1l20t8he4@corp.supernews.com...
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:mbydnR1qj9IsMB7enZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@golden.net...
<piggyback response>
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com
<mailto:Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com>> wrote in message
news:ZI3ke.15547$Fv.3209@lakeread01...
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Then obviously you must be supporting same-sex marriage!
Personally ? I do (yes, many hetrosexuals, as myself, support it)
And many heterosexuals don't support it.
That's a part of life you have to deal with.
Osprey is back to hating again.
You have now admitted to cross dressing and you even admit there are
pictures. Where are the pictures?
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: TinkerBell-Same sex sex is a sin. |
25 Nov 2005 09:43:33 PM |
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osprey lied:
That's
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: TinkerBell-Same sex sex is a sin. |
22 Nov 2005 07:08:53 PM |
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L. Michael Roberts wrote:
<piggyback response>
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com
<mailto:Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com>> wrote in message
news:ZI3ke.15547$Fv.3209@lakeread01...
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Then obviously you must be supporting same-sex marriage!
<snip>
:)
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| User: "ManMadeGod" |
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22 Nov 2005 04:37:01 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message =
news:11o76c2gemt4t9b@corp.supernews.com...
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message =
news:ZI3ke.15547$Fv.3209@lakeread01...
Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is a sin.=20
You sure that TinkerBell and his/her mate had never committed =
themselves to each other, and had never became one flesh ?
God made man and woman to be married.
God didn't cease creating with Adam and Eve, or you wouldn't be =
here.
Same sex sex is a sin and an abomination and unless you repent, you =
will spend eternity in hellfire.
Christianity (New Testament) and Judaism (Old Testament) aren't =
under the same Covenant=20
--=20
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal =
hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my =
sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my =
heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. =
http://www.ArmyofGod.com=20
One sin is to judge others, as unlike God, we lack all the facts.
Genesis
1.. Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's =
vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. =
4:8=20
2.. Lamech is the first of a long line of biblical men with more =
than one wife. It seems that God approves of such marriages. 4:19=20
3.. The "just and righteous" Noah (6:9, 7:1) plants a vineyard, =
gets drunk, and lies around naked in his tent. His son, Ham, happens to =
see his father in this condition. When Noah sobers up and hears "what =
his young son had done unto him" (what did he do besides look at him?), =
he curses not Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father," but Ham's son, =
Canaan. "A servant of servants shall he [Canaan] be unto his brethren." =
9:20-25=20
4.. "And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son =
had done unto him."
What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there =
something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that =
Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was =
why Ham's descendants were eternally punished with slavery. 9:24=20
5.. Abram makes his wife lie for him, by telling the Egyptians =
that she is his sister. But at least it was half-true, since she was his =
half-sister. Such incestuous marriages are condemned elsewhere in the =
Bible, but god makes an exception for Abram and Sarai. (See Gen.17:15-16 =
where God blesses their marriage.) 12:13=20
6.. Sarai is the first of a long line of barren women who were =
desperate for children. (In the Bible, it is the women who are barren, =
never the men.) She sends Abram into her handmaid, Hagar, so that she =
can "obtain children by her." Abram gladly complies. 16:1-4=20
7.. Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do =
to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she =
fled." 16:6=20
8.. Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, =
offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel =
rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This =
is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Pet.2:7-8. =
19:8=20
9.. God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) =
in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out =
of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" =
Lot and his family.19:24=20
10.. Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a =
pillar of salt. 19:26=20
11.. Lot and his daughters camp out in a cave for a while. The =
daughters get their "just and righteous" father drunk, and have sexual =
intercourse with him, and each conceives and bears a son (wouldn't you =
know it!). Just another wholesome family values Bible story. 19:30-38=20
12.. Honest Abe does the same "she's my sister" routine again, for =
the same cowardly reason. And once again, the king just couldn't resist =
Sarah -- even though by now she is over 90 years old. (See Gen.12:13-20 =
for the first, nearly identical, episode.) 20:2=20
13.. God gets angry with king Abimelech, though the king hasn't =
even touched Sarah. He says to the king, "Behold, thou art but a dead =
man," and threatens to kill him and all of his people. To compensate for =
the crime he never committed, Abimelech gives Abraham sheep, oxen, =
slaves, silver, and land. Finally, after Abraham "prayed unto God," God =
lifts his punishment to Abimelech, "for the Lord had fast closed up all =
the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah." 20:3-18=20
14.. God "closed all the wombs" because Abimelech believed Abe's =
lie. 20:18=20
15.. Abraham married his sister, and God blessed their marriage =
(Gen.17:15-16). 20:12=20
16.. Sarah, after giving birth to Isaac, gets angry again at Hagar =
(see Gen.16:5-6) and tells Abraham to 'cast out this bondwoman and her =
son." God commands Abraham to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham =
abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. =
21:10-14=20
17.. God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham =
shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But =
finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill =
instead. 22:2-13=20
18.. Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only =
any evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be =
willing to do it. 22:10=20
19.. Abraham had several concubines. 25:6=20
20.. Isaac loved Esau because Esau was a hunter and Isaac loved =
venison. Rebekah loved Jacob, but God hated Esau (see Rom.9:13). No =
reason is given for why one son is loved while the other is hated. But =
since God chose to act this way, it must have been as an example for =
parents to follow. Have you decided which of your children to hate? =
25:28=20
21.. Isaac uses the same "she's my sister" lie that his father =
used so effectively (see Gen.12:13, 20:2). 26:7=20
22.. Esau "takes" two wives. 26:34=20
23.. Jacob, with coaching from his mother, obtains Isaac's =
blessing by lying. God seems to have been fooled as well. 27:19=20
24.. Esau, who already had two wives (26:34), "takes" another. =
28:9=20
25.. Jacob offers to work for seven years to pay for Rachel. As it =
turns out, he is tricked into having sex with her sister, Leah, instead, =
so he has to work for another seven years so in order to pay for them =
both. 29:18-30=20
26.. Jacob is tricked by Laban, the father of Rachel and Leah. =
Jacob asks for Rachel so that he can "go in unto her." But Laban gives =
him Leah instead, and Jacob "went in unto her [Leah]" by mistake. Jacob =
was fooled until morning -- apparently he didn't know who he was going =
in unto. Finally they worked things out and Jacob got to "go in unto" =
Rachel, too. 29:21-30=20
27.. Jacob goes in unto Leah by mistake. 29:23, 25=20
28.. Jacob finally gets to "go in unto" Rachel. He loved Rachel =
more than Leah. 29:30=20
29.. Since Jacob hated Leah, God decided to "open her womb" and =
make Rachel barren. (Like he did to Sarah and Rebekah.) 29:31=20
30.. Leah conceives and bears four sons. And it's a good thing, =
too, since her husband hated her until then for not giving him any sons. =
29:32-34=20
31.. "Give me children or else I die." Rachel considers herself =
worthless if she cannot produce children for her husband. But luckily =
she has an idea. She says to Jacob, "Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto =
her." She solved the problem the same way as did Sarah. (16:2) "And =
Jacob went in unto her." 30:1-4=20
32.. Leah, not to be outdone, gives Jacob her maid (Zilpah) "to =
wife." And Zilpah "bare Jacob a son." 30:9=20
33.. Rachel trades her husband's favors for some mandrakes. And =
so, when Jacob cam home, Leah said: "Thou must come in unto me, for =
surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her =
that night." Presumably God, by telling us this edifying story, is =
teaching us something about sexual ethics. 30:15-16=20
34.. Leah thinks her husband will honor her now that she has given =
him six sons. 30:20=20
35.. "Then Jacob ... set his ... wives upon camels." Jacob had =
four wives (or two wives and two concubines -- this distinction is not =
clear in the Bible): Rachel, Leah, Billah, and Zilpah. There is no =
indication that God disapproves of this arrangement. 31:17=20
36.. Jacob has two wives and two concubines, continuing the =
biblical tradition of polygamy. 32:22=20
37.. Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems =
to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and =
kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their =
wives and children captive. 34:1-31=20
38.. The sons of Jacob trick Shechem into getting circumcised. =
Then they murder him, his sons, and all the males of the city, while =
taking their wives captive. 34:24-29=20
39.. "Reuben went and lay with his father's concubine." 35:22, =
49:4=20
40.. Esau (Isaac's son) had several wives (continuing the =
tradition of polygamy, with no editorial comment from the Bible). 36:2, =
6=20
41.. Jacob loved Joseph more than his other children, and he made =
it pretty obvious. So the other kids in the family hated Joseph. (God =
didn't seem to mind; he liked Joseph best, too.) 37:3-4=20
42.. Judah has casual sex with a Canaanite woman which results in =
two sons, Er and Onan. 38:2-4=20
43.. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they =
brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... =
when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the =
ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he =
slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, =
but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the =
condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10=20
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<DIV>"Rev. Donald Spitz" <<A=20
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Look TinkerBell, sex outside of marriage is =
a sin.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>You sure that TinkerBell and his/her mate =
had never=20
committed themselves to each other, and had never became one flesh=20
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>God made man and woman to be =
married.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>God didn't cease creating with Adam and Eve, =
or you=20
wouldn't be here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> Same sex sex is a sin and an =
abomination and=20
unless you repent, you will spend eternity in =
hellfire.</FONT></DIV><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Testament) aren't=20
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<DIV><BR>-- <BR>SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am =
headed to=20
eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to =
take=20
away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come =
into my=20
heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. <A=20
href=3D"http://www.ArmyofGod.com">http://www.ArmyofGod.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></FONT><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#008000 =
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<DIV>Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's=20
vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious =
jealousy. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/4.html#8">4:8</A> =
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<LI>Lamech is the first of a long line of biblical men with more =
than one=20
wife. It seems that God approves of such marriages. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/4.html#19">4:19</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>The "just and righteous" <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/topics/noah.html">Noah</A> =
(6:9, 7:1) plants a vineyard, gets drunk, and lies around naked in =
his=20
tent. His son, Ham, happens to see his father in this condition. =
When <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/topics/noah.html">Noah</A> =
sobers up and hears "what his young son had done unto him" (what =
did he do=20
besides look at him?), he curses not Ham, who "saw the nakedness =
of his=20
father," but Ham's son, Canaan. "A servant of servants shall he =
[Canaan]=20
be unto his brethren." <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/9.html#20">9:20-25</A> =
<P></P>
<LI>"And <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/topics/noah.html">Noah</A> =
awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto=20
him."<BR>What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or =
was=20
there something more to it than that? Some commentators have =
suggested=20
that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that =
this=20
was why Ham's descendants were eternally punished with slavery. <A =
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/9.html#24">9:24</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Abram makes his wife lie for him, by telling the Egyptians =
that she is=20
his sister. But at least it was half-true, since she was his =
half-sister.=20
Such incestuous marriages are condemned elsewhere in the Bible, =
but god=20
makes an exception for Abram and Sarai. (See <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/17.html#15">Gen.17:15-1=
6</A>=20
where God blesses their marriage.) <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/12.html#13">12:13</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Sarai is the first of a long line of barren women who were =
desperate=20
for children. (In the Bible, it is the women who are barren, never =
the=20
men.) She sends Abram into her handmaid, Hagar, so that she can =
"obtain=20
children by her." Abram gladly complies. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/16.html#1">16:1-4</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do =
to=20
Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, =
she=20
fled." <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/16.html#6">16:6</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, =
offering his=20
two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers =
to "do=20
unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the =
same man=20
that is called "just" and "righteous" in <A=20
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/2pet/2.html#7">2=20
Pet.2:7-8</A>. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/19.html#8">19:8</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) =
in Sodom=20
and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of =
heaven."=20
Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot =
and his=20
family.<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/19.html#24">19:24</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a =
pillar of=20
salt. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/19.html#26">19:26</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Lot and his daughters camp out in a cave for a while. The =
daughters=20
get their "just and righteous" father drunk, and have sexual =
intercourse=20
with him, and each conceives and bears a son (wouldn't you know =
it!). Just=20
another wholesome family values Bible story. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/19.html#30">19:30-38</A=
=20
<P></P>
<LI>Honest Abe does the same "she's my sister" routine again, for =
the same=20
cowardly reason. And once again, the king just couldn't resist =
Sarah --=20
even though by now she is over 90 years old. (See <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/12.html#13">Gen.12:13-2=
0</A>=20
for the first, nearly identical, episode.) <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/20.html#2">20:2</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>God gets angry with king Abimelech, though the king hasn't =
even=20
touched Sarah. He says to the king, "Behold, thou art but a dead =
man," and=20
threatens to kill him and all of his people. To compensate for the =
crime=20
he never committed, Abimelech gives Abraham sheep, oxen, slaves, =
silver,=20
and land. Finally, after Abraham "prayed unto God," God lifts his=20
punishment to Abimelech, "for the Lord had fast closed up all the =
wombs of=20
the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah." <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/20.html#3">20:3-18</A> =
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<LI>God "closed all the wombs" because Abimelech believed Abe's =
lie. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/20.html#18">20:18</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Abraham married his sister, and God blessed their marriage (<A =
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/17.html#15">Gen.17:15-1=
6</A>).=20
<A =
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/20.html#12">20:12</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Sarah, after giving birth to Isaac, gets angry again at Hagar =
(see=20
Gen.16:5-6) and tells Abraham to 'cast out this bondwoman and her =
son."=20
God commands Abraham to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham =
abandons=20
Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. <A =
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/21.html#10">21:10-14</A=
=20
<P></P>
<LI>God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham =
shows=20
his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But =
finally, just=20
before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill =
instead. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/22.html#2">22:2-13</A> =
<P></P>
<LI>Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only =
any evil=20
God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be =
willing to=20
do it. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/22.html#10">22:10</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Abraham had several concubines. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/25.html#6">25:6</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Isaac loved Esau because Esau was a hunter and Isaac loved =
venison.=20
Rebekah loved Jacob, but God hated Esau (see <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/rom/9.html#13">Rom.9:13</A>=
).=20
No reason is given for why one son is loved while the other is =
hated. But=20
since God chose to act this way, it must have been as an example =
for=20
parents to follow. Have you decided which of your children to =
hate? <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/25.html#28">25:28</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Isaac uses the same "she's my sister" lie that his father used =
so=20
effectively (see <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/12.html#13">Gen.12:13</=
A>,=20
<A =
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/20.html#2">20:2</A>).=20
<A =
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/26.html#7">26:7</A>=20
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<LI>Esau "takes" two wives. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/26.html#34">26:34</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Jacob, with coaching from his mother, obtains Isaac's blessing =
by=20
lying. God seems to have been fooled as well. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/27.html#19">27:19</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Esau, who already had two wives (<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/26.html#34">26:34</A>),=
=20
"takes" another. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/28.html#9">28:9</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Jacob offers to work for seven years to pay for Rachel. As it =
turns=20
out, he is tricked into having sex with her sister, Leah, instead, =
so he=20
has to work for another seven years so in order to pay for them =
both. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/29.html#18">29:18-30</A=
=20
<P></P>
<LI>Jacob is tricked by Laban, the father of Rachel and Leah. =
Jacob asks=20
for Rachel so that he can "go in unto her." But Laban gives him =
Leah=20
instead, and Jacob "went in unto her [Leah]" by mistake. Jacob was =
fooled=20
until morning -- apparently he didn't know who he was going in =
unto.=20
Finally they worked things out and Jacob got to "go in unto" =
Rachel, too.=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/29.html#21">29:21-30</A=
=20
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<LI>Jacob goes in unto Leah by mistake. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/29.html#23">29:23</A>, =
<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/29.html#25">25</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Jacob finally gets to "go in unto" Rachel. He loved Rachel =
more than=20
Leah. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/29.html#30">29:30</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Since Jacob hated Leah, God decided to "open her womb" and =
make Rachel=20
barren. (Like he did to Sarah and Rebekah.) <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/29.html#31">29:31</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Leah conceives and bears four sons. And it's a good thing, =
too, since=20
her husband hated her until then for not giving him any sons. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/29.html#32-34">29:32-34=
</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>"Give me children or else I die." Rachel considers herself =
worthless=20
if she cannot produce children for her husband. But luckily she =
has an=20
idea. She says to Jacob, "Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her." =
She=20
solved the problem the same way as did Sarah. (<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/16.html#2">16:2</A>) =
"And=20
Jacob went in unto her." <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/30.html#1">30:1-4</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Leah, not to be outdone, gives Jacob her maid (Zilpah) "to =
wife." And=20
Zilpah "bare Jacob a son." <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/30.html#9">30:9</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Rachel trades her husband's favors for some mandrakes. And so, =
when=20
Jacob cam home, Leah said: "Thou must come in unto me, for surely =
I have=20
hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that =
night."=20
Presumably God, by telling us this edifying story, is teaching us=20
something about sexual ethics. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/30.html#15">30:15-16</A=
=20
<P></P>
<LI>Leah thinks her husband will honor her now that she has given =
him six=20
sons. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/30.html#20">30:20</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>"Then Jacob ... set his ... wives upon camels." Jacob had four =
wives=20
(or two wives and two concubines -- this distinction is not clear =
in the=20
Bible): Rachel, Leah, Billah, and Zilpah. There is no indication =
that God=20
disapproves of this arrangement. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/31.html#17">31:17</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Jacob has two wives and two concubines, continuing the =
biblical=20
tradition of polygamy. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/32.html#22">32:22</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems =
to love=20
her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill =
them=20
(after first having them all circumcised), and then take their =
wives and=20
children captive. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/34.html#1">34:1-31</A> =
<P></P>
<LI>The sons of Jacob trick Shechem into getting circumcised. Then =
they=20
murder him, his sons, and all the males of the city, while taking =
their=20
wives captive. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/34.html#24">34:24-29</A=
=20
<P></P>
<LI>"Reuben went and lay with his father's concubine." <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/35.html#22">35:22</A>, =
<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/49.html#4">49:4</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Esau (Isaac's son) had several wives (continuing the tradition =
of=20
polygamy, with no editorial comment from the Bible). <A=20
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/36.html#2">36:2, =
6</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Jacob loved Joseph more than his other children, and he made =
it pretty=20
obvious. So the other kids in the family hated Joseph. (God didn't =
seem to=20
mind; he liked Joseph best, too.) <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/37.html#3">37:3-4</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>Judah has casual sex with a Canaanite woman which results in =
two sons,=20
Er and Onan. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/38.html#2">38:2-4</A>=20
<P></P>
<LI>After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they =
brother's=20
wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... =
when he=20
went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the =
ground.... And=20
the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him =
also."=20
This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is =
the=20
basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of =
both=20
masturbation and birth control. <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/38.html#8">38:8-10</A> =
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