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Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of
the influential Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian
Coalition, has made similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative
statements before.
Last summer, he hit the headlines by calling for the assassination of
leftist Venezuelan Present Hugo Chavez, one of President George W.
Bush's most vocal international critics.
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster
in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your
city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from
Virginia, "The 700 Club."
"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if
they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember,
you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask
for His help because he might not be there," he said.
The 700 Club claims a daily audience of around one million. It is also
broadcast around the world translated into more than 70 languages.
In voting on Tuesday, eight Dover, Pennsylvania, school board members
up for re-election lost their seats after trying to introduce a
statement on "intelligent design" to high school biology students.
Adherents of intelligent design argue that certain forms in nature are
too complex to have evolved through natural selection and must have
been created by a "designer." Opponents say it is the latest attempt
by conservatives to introduce religion into the school science
curriculum.
The Dover case sparked a trial in federal court that gained nationwide
attention after the school board was sued by parents backed by the
American Civil Liberties Union. The board ordered schools to read
students a short statement in biology classes informing them that the
theory of evolution is not established fact and that gaps exist in it.
The statement mentioned intelligent design as an alternate theory and
recommended students read a book that explained the theory further. A
decision in the case is expected before the end of the year.
In 1998, Robertson warned the city of Orlando, Florida that it risked
hurricanes, earthquakes and terrorist bombs after it allowed
homosexual organizations to put up rainbow flags in support of sexual
diversity.
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11 Nov 2005 04:43:37 AM |
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"You Da Man Pat" <youtell@em.pat> wrote in message
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Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of
the influential Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian
Coalition, has made similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative
statements before.
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Makes me wonder. If God might punish people for voting the Board out of
office, will God PROTECT those who voted to keep the Board?
Or does God just wipe out the whole shebang? Including those too young to
vote?
RO
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11 Nov 2005 05:16:31 AM |
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Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of
the influential Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian
Coalition, has made similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative
statements before.
<snipped>
Makes me wonder. If God might punish people for voting the Board out of
office, will God PROTECT those who voted to keep the Board?
Why should He? The goal of all Christians is life everlasting in Heaven; if
one is a believer, why not go there right away when one is qualified,
instead of staying here and getting into situations that might destroy one's
faith?
Matti P.
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12 Nov 2005 12:41:21 AM |
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roneal <roneal@wt.net> wrote:
"You Da Man Pat" <youtell@em.pat> wrote in message
Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of
the influential Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian
Coalition, has made similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative
statements before.
<snipped>
Makes me wonder. If God might punish people for voting the Board out of
office, will God PROTECT those who voted to keep the Board?
Red states. Christian states. Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas.
Hurricanes.
Tornados.
Pestilence.
Some people might see it as a hint.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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14 Nov 2005 11:31:39 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Red states. Christian states. Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas.
Hurricanes.
Tornados.
Pestilence.
Some people might see it as a hint.
It is funny that PR and his God Mafia keep putting the idea of
disasters as God's wrath on the table. They are apparently oblivious
that the states that are taking the biggest hits are the "God fearing
Christian ones."
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11 Nov 2005 07:45:15 AM |
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roneal wrote:
"You Da Man Pat" <youtell@em.pat> wrote in message
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Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of
the influential Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian
Coalition, has made similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative
statements before.
<snipped>
Makes me wonder. If God might punish people for voting the Board out of
office, will God PROTECT those who voted to keep the Board?
Or does God just wipe out the whole shebang? Including those too young to
vote?
RO
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| User: "Matti Partonen" |
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11 Nov 2005 03:39:32 AM |
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"You Da Man Pat" <youtell@em.pat> wrote in message
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Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
It appears that in the wonderful country of US of America, where medieval
darkness reigns in the minds of many devout Christians, the following jokes
are not necessarily very much off the mark (everywhere else, with the
possible exclusion of Iran, they would be):
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HUNTSVILLE, Ala. - NASA engineers and mathematicians in this high-tech city
are stunned and infuriated after the Alabama state legistature narrowly
passed a law yesterday redefining pi, a mathematical constant used in the
aerospace industry. The bill to change the value of pi to exactly three was
introduced without fanfare by Leonard Lee Lawson (R, Crossville), and
rapidly gained support after a letter-writing campaign by members of the
Solomon Society, a traditional values group. Governor Guy Hunt says he will
sign it into law on Wednesday.
The law took the state's engineering community by surprise. "It would have
been nice if they had consulted with someone who actually uses pi," said
Marshall Bergman, a manager at the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization.
According to Bergman, pi is a Greek letter that signifies the ratio of the
circumference of a circle to its diameter. It is often used by engineers to
calculate missile trajectories.
Prof. Kim Johanson, a mathematician from University of Alabama, said that pi
is a universal constant, and cannot arbitrarily be changed by lawmakers.
Johanson explained that pi is an irrational number, which means that it has
an infinite number of digits after the decimal point and can never be known
exactly. Nevertheless, she said, pi is precisly defined by mathematics to be
"3.14159, plus as many more digits as you have time to calculate".
"I think that it is the mathematicians that are being irrational, and it is
time for them to admit it," said Lawson. "The Bible very clearly says in I
Kings 7:23 that the alter font of Solomon's Temple was ten cubits across and
thirty cubits in diameter, and that it was round in compass."
Lawson called into question the usefulness of any number that cannot be
calculated exactly, and suggested that never knowing the exact answer could
harm students' self-esteem. "We need to return to some absolutes in our
society," he said, "the Bible does not say that the font was
thirty-something cubits. Plain reading says thirty cubits. Period."
Science supports Lawson, explains Russell Humbleys, a propulsion technician
at the Marshall Spaceflight Center who testified in support of the bill
before the legislature in Mongtomery on Monday. "Pi is merely an artifact of
Euclidean geometry." Humbleys is working on a theory which he says will
prove that pi is determined by the geometry of three-dimensional space,
which is assumed by physicists to be "isotropic", or the same in all
directions. "There are other geometries, and pi is different in every one of
them," says Humbleys. Scientists have arbitrarily assumed that space is
Euclidean, he says. He points out that a circle drawn on a spherical surface
has a different value for the ratio of circumfence to diameter. "Anyone with
a compass, flexible ruler, and globe can see for themselves," suggests
Humbleys, "its not exactly rocket science."
Roger Learned, a Solomon Society member who was in Montgomery to support the
bill, agrees. He said that pi is nothing more than an assumption by the
mathematicians and engineers who were there to argue against the bill.
"These nabobs waltzed into the capital with an arrogance that was
breathtaking," Learned said. "Their prefatorial deficit resulted in a
polemical stance at absolute contraposition to the legislature's puissance."
Some education experts believe that the legislation will affect the way math
is taught to Alabama's children. One member of the state school board, Lily
Ponja, is anxious to get the new value of pi into the state's math
textbooks, but thinks that the old value should be retained as an
alternative. She said, "As far as I am concerned, the value of pi is only a
theory, and we should be open to all interpretations." She looks forward to
students having the freedom to decide for themselves what value pi should
have.
Robert S. Dietz, a professor at Arizona State University who has followed
the controversy, wrote that this is not the first time a state legislature
has attempted to redifine the value of pi. A legislator in the state of
Indiana unsuccessfully attempted to have that state set the value of pi to
three. According to Dietz, the lawmaker was exasperated by the calculations
of a mathematician who carried pi to four hundred decimal places and still
could not achieve a rational number. Many experts are warning that this is
just the beginning of a national battle over pi between traditional values
supporters and the technical elite. Solomon Society member Lawson agrees.
"We just want to return pi to its traditional value," he said, "which,
according to the Bible, is three."
(From http://www.snopes.com/religion/pi.htm)
and:
Creation Scientists Prove: Circles are of Satan
Anyone caught owning a circular object after Wednesday will be hauled before
the Salvation Committee as a heretic
FREEHOLD, IOWA (AP). Landover Baptist Church has issued an edict prohibiting
the possession of any circular object. Every so-called "circular" item
(including coins -- except Canadian) owned by anyone in the Landover Baptist
congregation is to be forcibly confiscated and deposited on the soccer field
of Landover Baptist Christian Academy. Searches shall be conducted on
Thursday and Friday of this week and any family found in possession of
anything purportedly "round" will be summarily removed from their Christian
home and publicly rebuked. Infractions will be considered serious and result
in immediate expulsion from the church roster once tithes are brought
current.
The discovery that this once Godly Nation is full of Biblically incorrect
circles was made last week in connection with the firing of five members of
the mathematics department at Landover Baptist University.
"Scripture at 2 Chronicles 4:2 tells us that Solomon made a circular metal
bowl that was ten cubits in diameter and thirty cubits in circumference,"
recounts Dean of Creation Science Mathematics, Dr. Harold Pinto. "Now, I
don't need any secular guesses that Pi is equal to 3.14159265 when the Lord
tells me that Pi is an even 3!"
As scientists, the Christian researchers at Landover Baptist University are
honor bound to test and retest every scientific theory, including secular
geometric principles. "We subject every scientific postulate to the most
rigorous laboratory testing possible," confirmed Dr. Pinto. "If a scientist
comes up with a hypothesis, we open our Bible and if it is already in there,
we publish a paper on it. If Scripture does not support the theory, then the
scientist is forbidden to ever mention it again. If he does, he is thrown
out of the university and left to Satan." Using this scientifically accepted
method, Landover Baptist researchers have conclusively verified that the
correct value of Pi is indeed exactly 3 based upon God's Word in 2
Chronicles 4:2.
(From: http://www.bettybowers.com/newspi.html)
Matti P.
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10 Nov 2005 10:25:13 PM |
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"You Da Man Pat" <youtell@em.pat> wrote in message
news:jp58n15cjqp6h2put7ij3r0u3oihr5kaiv@usenet...
Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
Robertson sounds like he works for the mafia. Is voting Christian some sort
of protection payment?
It is amazing that anyone listens to that jerk.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of
the influential Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian
Coalition, has made similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative
statements before.
Last summer, he hit the headlines by calling for the assassination of
leftist Venezuelan Present Hugo Chavez, one of President George W.
Bush's most vocal international critics.
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster
in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your
city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from
Virginia, "The 700 Club."
"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if
they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember,
you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask
for His help because he might not be there," he said.
The 700 Club claims a daily audience of around one million. It is also
broadcast around the world translated into more than 70 languages.
In voting on Tuesday, eight Dover, Pennsylvania, school board members
up for re-election lost their seats after trying to introduce a
statement on "intelligent design" to high school biology students.
Adherents of intelligent design argue that certain forms in nature are
too complex to have evolved through natural selection and must have
been created by a "designer." Opponents say it is the latest attempt
by conservatives to introduce religion into the school science
curriculum.
The Dover case sparked a trial in federal court that gained nationwide
attention after the school board was sued by parents backed by the
American Civil Liberties Union. The board ordered schools to read
students a short statement in biology classes informing them that the
theory of evolution is not established fact and that gaps exist in it.
The statement mentioned intelligent design as an alternate theory and
recommended students read a book that explained the theory further. A
decision in the case is expected before the end of the year.
In 1998, Robertson warned the city of Orlando, Florida that it risked
hurricanes, earthquakes and terrorist bombs after it allowed
homosexual organizations to put up rainbow flags in support of sexual
diversity.
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12 Nov 2005 05:55:00 AM |
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wrote:
It is amazing that anyone listens to that jerk.
On this, we agree.
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11 Nov 2005 09:56:33 PM |
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FDR wrote:
"You Da Man Pat" <youtell@em.pat> wrote in message
news:jp58n15cjqp6h2put7ij3r0u3oihr5kaiv@usenet...
Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
Robertson sounds like he works for the mafia. Is voting Christian some sort
of protection payment?
It is amazing that anyone listens to that jerk.
Eliezabeth Hasselbitch actually defended that moron on "The View." But
what else is new with the bimbo.....
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12 Nov 2005 05:56:12 AM |
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wrote:
Eliezabeth Hasselbitch actually defended that moron on "The View." But
what else is new with the bimbo.....
OMG!!!!
You willingly ADMITTED to watching that show?
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It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
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11 Nov 2005 07:36:17 AM |
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FDR wrote:
"You Da Man Pat" <youtell@em.pat> wrote in message
news:jp58n15cjqp6h2put7ij3r0u3oihr5kaiv@usenet...
Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
Robertson sounds like he works for the mafia. Is voting Christian some sort
of protection payment?
It is amazing that anyone listens to that jerk.
No more amazing than those who listen to Ru$h, O'Really or shrub.
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In article <J2Vcf.146284$7b6.82226@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, FDR
<_remove_spam_block_rzitka@hotmail.com> wrote:
"You Da Man Pat" <youtell@em.pat> wrote in message
news:jp58n15cjqp6h2put7ij3r0u3oihr5kaiv@usenet...
Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
Robertson sounds like he works for the mafia. Is voting Christian some sort
of protection payment?
It is amazing that anyone listens to that jerk.
Many of the "religious" listen because it affirms their hatred.
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11 Nov 2005 04:38:58 AM |
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Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town
that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.
People like Robertson who make public statements like that are what
gives Christianity a bad name. How insulting for Robertson to imply
that God is so petty as to plop a natural disaster onto a town because
of how they voted. Geez.
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11 Nov 2005 01:03:40 PM |
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AnonViewer wrote:
Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town
that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.
People like Robertson who make public statements like that are what
gives Christianity a bad name. How insulting for Robertson to imply
that God is so petty as to plop a natural disaster onto a town because
of how they voted. Geez.
And what Robertson and those like him fail to understand is that
statements like he makes work against him in a court of law in these
types of cases. Public schools are not supposed to teach anything in
required or recommended classes that favor any religious beliefs. This
is because Public schools are governmental entities that receive their
revenue via taxes payed by all the citizens in a region, and thus serve
people of many differing ideas about religion and its practice. When
someone like Robertson makes such a statement that voting out the
proponents of a controversial "theory" such as "intelligent design"
will "incur the wrath of God", that can easily be taken to mean that
the undefined entity on which the "theory" relies must be a deity, and
thus an aspect of a religion, and thus unscientific and not a theory at
all. Therefore, it does not belong in a science class of a public
school, or any science class that does not deal with crackpot theories.
And therefore, the judge must rule that teaching this theory violates
the First Amendment and goes against precedence, and thus it cannot be
taught as a theory along side evolution, which is non-religious and
soundly grounded in science.
Basically, Robertson defeats himself. Again.
Mark Sebree
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14 Nov 2005 11:28:28 AM |
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Mark Sebree wrote:
AnonViewer wrote:
Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town
that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.
People like Robertson who make public statements like that are what
gives Christianity a bad name. How insulting for Robertson to imply
that God is so petty as to plop a natural disaster onto a town because
of how they voted. Geez.
And what Robertson and those like him fail to understand is that
statements like he makes work against him in a court of law in these
types of cases. Public schools are not supposed to teach anything in
required or recommended classes that favor any religious beliefs. This
is because Public schools are governmental entities that receive their
revenue via taxes payed by all the citizens in a region, and thus serve
people of many differing ideas about religion and its practice. When
someone like Robertson makes such a statement that voting out the
proponents of a controversial "theory" such as "intelligent design"
will "incur the wrath of God", that can easily be taken to mean that
the undefined entity on which the "theory" relies must be a deity, and
thus an aspect of a religion, and thus unscientific and not a theory at
all. Therefore, it does not belong in a science class of a public
school, or any science class that does not deal with crackpot theories.
And therefore, the judge must rule that teaching this theory violates
the First Amendment and goes against precedence, and thus it cannot be
taught as a theory along side evolution, which is non-religious and
soundly grounded in science.
That's a lot of words to say PR is a nutcase and God's Mafia enforcer.
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14 Nov 2005 12:39:48 PM |
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<bklyntv@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mark Sebree wrote:
AnonViewer wrote:
Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson told citizens of a
Pennsylvania town
that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of
office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
People like Robertson who make public statements like that are what
gives Christianity a bad name. How insulting for Robertson to imply
that God is so petty as to plop a natural disaster onto a town because
of how they voted. Geez.
And what Robertson and those like him fail to understand is that
statements like he makes work against him in a court of law in these
types of cases. Public schools are not supposed to teach anything in
required or recommended classes that favor any religious beliefs. This
is because Public schools are governmental entities that receive their
revenue via taxes payed by all the citizens in a region, and thus serve
people of many differing ideas about religion and its practice. When
someone like Robertson makes such a statement that voting out the
proponents of a controversial "theory" such as "intelligent design"
will "incur the wrath of God", that can easily be taken to mean that
the undefined entity on which the "theory" relies must be a deity, and
thus an aspect of a religion, and thus unscientific and not a theory at
all. Therefore, it does not belong in a science class of a public
school, or any science class that does not deal with crackpot theories.
And therefore, the judge must rule that teaching this theory violates
the First Amendment and goes against precedence, and thus it cannot be
taught as a theory along side evolution, which is non-religious and
soundly grounded in science.
That's a lot of words to say PR is a nutcase and God's Mafia enforcer.
That's how the anti-free speech, anti-free exercise of religion, anti-first
amendment sect acts.
Rather than cite the First Amendment verbatim and abide by it they squall
about things which are not even in the First Amendment.
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14 Nov 2005 01:40:00 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
<bklyntv@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131989308.049363.99670@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Mark Sebree wrote:
AnonViewer wrote:
Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson told citizens of a
Pennsylvania town
that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of
office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
People like Robertson who make public statements like that are what
gives Christianity a bad name. How insulting for Robertson to imply
that God is so petty as to plop a natural disaster onto a town because
of how they voted. Geez.
And what Robertson and those like him fail to understand is that
statements like he makes work against him in a court of law in these
types of cases. Public schools are not supposed to teach anything in
required or recommended classes that favor any religious beliefs. This
is because Public schools are governmental entities that receive their
revenue via taxes payed by all the citizens in a region, and thus serve
people of many differing ideas about religion and its practice. When
someone like Robertson makes such a statement that voting out the
proponents of a controversial "theory" such as "intelligent design"
will "incur the wrath of God", that can easily be taken to mean that
the undefined entity on which the "theory" relies must be a deity, and
thus an aspect of a religion, and thus unscientific and not a theory at
all. Therefore, it does not belong in a science class of a public
school, or any science class that does not deal with crackpot theories.
And therefore, the judge must rule that teaching this theory violates
the First Amendment and goes against precedence, and thus it cannot be
taught as a theory along side evolution, which is non-religious and
soundly grounded in science.
That's a lot of words to say PR is a nutcase and God's Mafia enforcer.
That's how the anti-free speech, anti-free exercise of religion, anti-first
amendment sect acts.
Yes, people like Pat Robertson.
Rather than cite the First Amendment verbatim and abide by it they squall
about things which are not even in the First Amendment.
Where did I say that you or he could not say what you wanted to say?
All I said was what he is saying defeats his supposed purpose of trying
to get "Intelligent Design" accepted as a scientific theory to be
taught in schools along side theories such as evolution. He is saying
that people will be damned and ignored by his/their diety because they
supported science education and teaching students the facts instead of
psuedo-science and religious claptrap in science classes. That means
that Intelligent Design is a religious "theory", and thus does not
belong in a science classroom.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "NoTroll" |
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14 Nov 2005 02:34:29 PM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1131997200.751695.80880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
<bklyntv@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mark Sebree wrote:
AnonViewer wrote:
Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson told citizens of
a
Pennsylvania town
that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of
office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised
if
disaster struck.
People like Robertson who make public statements like that are what
gives Christianity a bad name. How insulting for Robertson to imply
that God is so petty as to plop a natural disaster onto a town
because
of how they voted. Geez.
And what Robertson and those like him fail to understand is that
statements like he makes work against him in a court of law in these
types of cases. Public schools are not supposed to teach anything in
required or recommended classes that favor any religious beliefs. This
is because Public schools are governmental entities that receive their
revenue via taxes payed by all the citizens in a region, and thus
serve
people of many differing ideas about religion and its practice. When
someone like Robertson makes such a statement that voting out the
proponents of a controversial "theory" such as "intelligent design"
will "incur the wrath of God", that can easily be taken to mean that
the undefined entity on which the "theory" relies must be a deity, and
thus an aspect of a religion, and thus unscientific and not a theory
at
all. Therefore, it does not belong in a science class of a public
school, or any science class that does not deal with crackpot
theories.
And therefore, the judge must rule that teaching this theory violates
the First Amendment and goes against precedence, and thus it cannot be
taught as a theory along side evolution, which is non-religious and
soundly grounded in science.
That's a lot of words to say PR is a nutcase and God's Mafia enforcer.
That's how the anti-free speech, anti-free exercise of religion,
anti-first
amendment sect acts.
Yes, people like Pat Robertson.
Rather than cite the First Amendment verbatim and abide by it they squall
about things which are not even in the First Amendment.
Where did I say that you or he could not say what you wanted to say?
All I said was what he is saying defeats his supposed purpose of trying
to get "Intelligent Design" accepted as a scientific theory to be
taught in schools along side theories such as evolution. He is saying
that people will be damned and ignored by his/their diety because they
supported science education and teaching students the facts instead of
psuedo-science and religious claptrap in science classes. That means
that Intelligent Design is a religious "theory", and thus does not
belong in a science classroom.
Mark Sebree
Are Christonazis so ineffective that they cannot brainwash their children at
home and at church, and must therefore seek to have their religion taught in
the public schools? I don't want those biggots spewing their venom in my
schools. Save it for the KKK meetings.
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| User: "deering24" |
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14 Nov 2005 07:47:33 PM |
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NoTroll wrote:
Are Christonazis so ineffective that they cannot brainwash their children at
home and at church, and must therefore seek to have their religion taught in
the public schools?
It's not enough for them to believe--their interpretation of Christian
doctrine says that they must make everyone else believe. Because their
version of Christianity puts faith over works and coercion over
tolerance, making others see the light the exact same way they do is key
to their proving they are worthy/getting into heaven.
I don't want those biggots spewing their venom in my
schools. Save it for the KKK meetings.
Well, they figure they have a heavenly mandate and all...
C.
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| User: "Daniel Jackson" |
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14 Nov 2005 08:04:23 PM |
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"deering24" <deering24@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:43793B90.44F06650@mindspring.com...
NoTroll wrote:
Are Christonazis so ineffective that they cannot brainwash their children
at
home and at church, and must therefore seek to have their religion taught
in
the public schools?
Watch for the "they" stuff -I know alot of genius scientists in many fields
that believe in a higher power-they just leave that higher power delegated
where it actually is supposed to be delegated (and says so-Matthew 6:6)at
home, or church.
It's not enough for them to believe--their interpretation of Christian
doctrine says that they must make everyone else believe. Because their
version of Christianity puts faith over works and coercion over
tolerance, making others see the light the exact same way they do is key
to their proving they are worthy/getting into heaven.
I don't want those biggots spewing their venom in my
schools. Save it for the KKK meetings.
Well, they figure they have a heavenly mandate and all...
C.
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Lumping everyone into groups is an exercise in deception.
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| User: "osprey" |
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14 Nov 2005 08:12:57 PM |
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Daniel Jackson wrote:
"deering24" <deering24@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:43793B90.44F06650@mindspring.com...
NoTroll wrote:
Are Christonazis so ineffective that they cannot brainwash their children
at
home and at church, and must therefore seek to have their religion taught
in
the public schools?
Watch for the "they" stuff -I know alot of genius scientists in many fields
that believe in a higher power-they just leave that higher power delegated
where it actually is supposed to be delegated (and says so-Matthew 6:6)at
home, or church.
Well said. While I still think there is no problem with kids having a
moment of silence at school, or wherever, I agree with you on what you
just said.
There is absolutely no reason why brilliant and intelligent people
can't believe in a higher power and also support the findiings of
science.
It's not enough for them to believe--their interpretation of Christian
doctrine says that they must make everyone else believe. Because their
version of Christianity puts faith over works and coercion over
tolerance, making others see the light the exact same way they do is key
to their proving they are worthy/getting into heaven.
I don't want those biggots spewing their venom in my
schools. Save it for the KKK meetings.
Well, they figure they have a heavenly mandate and all...
C.
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Lumping everyone into groups is an exercise in deception.
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| User: "Daniel Jackson" |
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14 Nov 2005 08:20:42 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132020777.743607.292280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Daniel Jackson wrote:
"deering24" <deering24@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:43793B90.44F06650@mindspring.com...
NoTroll wrote:
Are Christonazis so ineffective that they cannot brainwash their
children
at
home and at church, and must therefore seek to have their religion
taught
in
the public schools?
Watch for the "they" stuff -I know alot of genius scientists in many
fields
that believe in a higher power-they just leave that higher power
delegated
where it actually is supposed to be delegated (and says so-Matthew 6:6)at
home, or church.
Well said. While I still think there is no problem with kids having a
moment of silence at school, or wherever, I agree with you on what you
just said.
There is absolutely no reason why brilliant and intelligent people
can't believe in a higher power and also support the findiings of
science.
Thanks for the comments.In discussions with such men, namely a couple of
solid state engineers( pioneers in their field of magnteorestriction,
geochemistry, etc) it never fails to reinforce my belief that if there be a
higher power, why would this higher power not actually use the mechanisms
built into the various planets, stars, and galaxies.Its not likely (to me)
such higher powers, were they to exist, would be in any hurry to do
anything.
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| User: "Taylor" |
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14 Nov 2005 08:47:01 PM |
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double homicide
David Ludwig (18-years-old) and Kara Beth Borden (14-years-old) both
from Lititz, Pennsylvania.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=david+ludwig
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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14 Nov 2005 10:03:28 PM |
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osprey lied:
deception
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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| User: "deering24" |
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14 Nov 2005 11:04:44 PM |
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osprey wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
"deering24" <deering24@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:43793B90.44F06650@mindspring.com...
NoTroll wrote:
Are Christonazis so ineffective that they cannot brainwash their children
at
home and at church, and must therefore seek to have their religion taught
in
the public schools?
Watch for the "they" stuff -I know alot of genius scientists in many fields
that believe in a higher power-they just leave that higher power delegated
where it actually is supposed to be delegated (and says so-Matthew 6:6)at
home, or church.
"Christonazis" generally refers to the religious right-wing, not every
Christian. And the former folks don't want any kind of coexistence
between science and faith, but think that fact should be subordinate to
religious belief, mostly theirs--g!
C.
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| User: "Sid9" |
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14 Nov 2005 08:23:59 PM |
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osprey wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
"deering24" <deering24@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:43793B90.44F06650@mindspring.com...
NoTroll wrote:
Are Christonazis so ineffective that they cannot brainwash their
children at
home and at church, and must therefore seek to have their religion
taught in
the public schools?
Watch for the "they" stuff -I know alot of genius scientists in many
fields that believe in a higher power-they just leave that higher
power delegated where it actually is supposed to be delegated (and
says so-Matthew 6:6)at home, or church.
Well said. While I still think there is no problem with kids having a
moment of silence at school, or wherever, I agree with you on what you
just said.
There is absolutely no reason why brilliant and intelligent people
can't believe in a higher power and also support the findiings of
science.
There is a reason.
There is *no evidence* for a "higher power"
It requires "faith"
Teach "faith" in your house of worship.
Teach science in the classroom.
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| User: "Daniel Jackson" |
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| Title: Re: Robertson warns Pennsylvania to get ready for God's wrath |
14 Nov 2005 08:25:24 PM |
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"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:VCbef.22933$%k.1232@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
osprey wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
"deering24" <deering24@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:43793B90.44F06650@mindspring.com...
NoTroll wrote:
Are Christonazis so ineffective that they cannot brainwash their
children at
home and at church, and must therefore seek to have their religion
taught in
the public schools?
Watch for the "they" stuff -I know alot of genius scientists in many
fields that believe in a higher power-they just leave that higher
power delegated where it actually is supposed to be delegated (and
says so-Matthew 6:6)at home, or church.
Well said. While I still think there is no problem with kids having a
moment of silence at school, or wherever, I agree with you on what you
just said.
There is absolutely no reason why brilliant and intelligent people
can't believe in a higher power and also support the findiings of
science.
There is a reason.
There is *no evidence* for a "higher power"
It requires "faith"
Teach "faith" in your house of worship.
Teach science in the classroom.
Pay attention
THATS WHAT HE ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO, THAT VERY SUBJECT.
moron.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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14 Nov 2005 10:05:03 PM |
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Daniel Jackson wrote:
THATS WHAT HE ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO, THAT VERY SUBJECT.
moron.
You're the one who believes in something there is no evidence for,
you're the moron, moron.
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| User: "Taylor" |
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14 Nov 2005 08:41:35 PM |
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deering24 wrote:
NoTroll wrote:
Are Christonazis so ineffective that they cannot brainwash their children at
home and at church, and must therefore seek to have their religion taught in
the public schools?
It's not enough for them to believe--their interpretation of Christian
doctrine says that they must make everyone else believe. Because their
version of Christianity puts faith over works and coercion over
tolerance, making others see the light the exact same way they do is key
to their proving they are worthy/getting into heaven.
I don't want those biggots spewing their venom in my
schools. Save it for the KKK meetings.
Well, they figure they have a heavenly mandate and all...
C.
People, it's happened today!!!!!!!!!!!
David Ludwig (18) shoots and kills Kara Beth Borden's (14) parents
yesterday and resulted in a high-speed car chase ending in Indiana this
afternoon. It all started in... Pennsylvania! Looks like Pat was right.
Fortunately for anyone but the Ludwig and the Borden families, it
doesn't really affect the people in PA or in the U.S. or the rest of the
world.
More media-***** Rita Cosby (MSNBC 'Rita Cosby: Live & Direct') coverage
for her.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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14 Nov 2005 10:07:03 PM |
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Taylor wrote:
deering24 wrote:
NoTroll wrote:
Are Christonazis so ineffective that they cannot brainwash their
children at
home and at church, and must therefore seek to have their religion
taught in
the public schools?
It's not enough for them to believe--their interpretation of Christian
doctrine says that they must make everyone else believe. Because their
version of Christianity puts faith over works and coercion over
tolerance, making others see the light the exact same way they do is key
to their proving they are worthy/getting into heaven.
I don't want those biggots spewing their venom in my
schools. Save it for the KKK meetings.
Well, they figure they have a heavenly mandate and all...
C.
People, it's happened today!!!!!!!!!!!
David Ludwig (18) shoots and kills Kara Beth Borden's (14) parents
yesterday and resulted in a high-speed car chase ending in Indiana this
afternoon. It all started in... Pennsylvania! Looks like Pat was right.
Fortunately for anyone but the Ludwig and the Borden families, it
doesn't really affect the people in PA or in the U.S. or the rest of the
world.
More media-***** Rita Cosby (MSNBC 'Rita Cosby: Live & Direct') coverage
for her.
Give up the drugs, they're illegal and rot your so called "mind"
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10 Nov 2005 10:26:01 PM |
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On Nov 10, 2005, "You Da Man Pat" blatherously upchucked this
copied and pasted nonsensical gnatherblab w/o a clue ***** 2-Y...
Wow johnny on-the-spot-reporting there you-duh -lol
Eight 'intelligent design' school board members lost election
AMEN!!! -lmao...they just didn't "lose the election" they were
thrown out on their keister's for good fucking reason, their
idiotology is unacceptable in mainstream public education...
kudos to Dover, PA residents...
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat
Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected
God by voting their school board out of office for supporting
"intelligent design" and warned them Thursday not to be surprised if
disaster struck.
Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of
the influential Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian
Coalition, has made similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative
statements before.
Last summer, he hit the headlines by calling for the assassination of
leftist Venezuelan Present Hugo Chavez, one of President George W.
Bush's most vocal international critics.
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster
in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your
city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from
Virginia, "The 700 Club."
"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if
they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember,
you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask
for His help because he might not be there," he said.
The 700 Club claims a daily audience of around one million. It is also
broadcast around the world translated into more than 70 languages.
In voting on Tuesday, eight Dover, Pennsylvania, school board members
up for re-election lost their seats after trying to introduce a
statement on "intelligent design" to high school biology students.
Adherents of intelligent design argue that certain forms in nature are
too complex to have evolved through natural selection and must have
been created by a "designer." Opponents say it is the latest attempt
by conservatives to introduce religion into the school science
curriculum.
The Dover case sparked a trial in federal court that gained nationwide
attention after the school board was sued by parents backed by the
American Civil Liberties Union. The board ordered schools to read
students a short statement in biology classes informing them that the
theory of evolution is not established fact and that gaps exist in it.
The statement mentioned intelligent design as an alternate theory and
recommended students read a book that explained the theory further. A
decision in the case is expected before the end of the year.
In 1998, Robertson warned the city of Orlando, Florida that it risked
hurricanes, earthquakes and terrorist bombs after it allowed
homosexual organizations to put up rainbow flags in support of sexual
diversity.
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Religion needs Spirituality; Spirituality DOES NOT NEED religion...
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