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RRR Cultists : USA :: Drops of Arsenic : Glass of Water |
America's Poisonous RRR Cult
An RRR cultist suggested very recently that my estimation of
their numbers was low. In the past, I've demonstrated that my
estimate is accurate. That there are only between two and three
million Americans at MOST, who would be activist to *any* degree in
support of the loathsome agendas against such personal liberties as
access to the remedy of abortion, or for same-sex couples to marry.
Here is some of what I've said in response to those who think
the number of bigots is higher. The Gay Rights Movement (Civil
Rights II) was still in its relative infancy when I wrote the para-
graphs below, in the late 1990, so the material deal primarily with
abortion opponents. ---
Study the numbers of Anti-Choicers who went to all the
Anti-Choice "events" during their heyday, *before* most Americans
REJECTED their repressive and bigoted agenda, from about 1994 on.
Wichita got the biggest draw from them, with people coming in on
busses from all over America. At one point, they managed to have
25,000 people on hand. Out of a population of 270 MILLION.
Whoopie-ti-yi-yay! And Milwaukee had less than a tenth of that,
even with busses coming in from nearby Chicago! And the Anti-
Choicers that tried to harass the women and clinics in Buffalo were
run out of town on a rail by the citizens, led by their mayor, and
barely escaped having to spend the next few days scubbing off
tar an feathers.
If Anti-Choice were a popular stance in America, they would have
been able to come up with more than a mere 25,000 people for a
RALLY (not just the so-called "rescues") in Wichita. Which had
been publicized **weeks** ahead of time. And to which bigots
even were bussed in from other states!
A few years ago, I constructed an illustration that I called
the "Anti-Choice Activist Pyramid." Numbers shown in it are
estimated numbers of participants, based on several different
types of observations.
1 10 -- Primary Leaders
2 11-20 -- Secondary Leaders
3 1,500-2,000 -- Admin. Support & Staff
4 25,000-50,000 -- Dedicated Activists
5 400,000-800,000 -- "Party-Time" Activists
6 2,000,000-3,000,000 -- MINIMAL activists
and almost-INactive sympathizers
(Hopefully, the thing will still resemble a pyramid when it
downloads into your newsreader. It is symmetrical as I post it.)
The first 3 levels are self-explanatory. Level 4 *includes* most
in the upper three levels.
Level 5 is especially interesting. IT includes many of those found
*below* it, on Level 6: People who really never actually do much of
*anything* in terms of Anti-Choice ACTION. But since their sympathies
lie with Anti-Choice -- *and* they are the social types who love a big
blow-out, THEY will romp on over to D.C. for a big, national rally,
even though the level of dedication they exhibit otherwise is minimal
or absent.
The only people that the Pro-Choicers need to actively oppose are
the ones in Levels 1 through 4. Perhaps 50-60,000 people at MOST,
nationwide. The remaining, huge majority of them, is not too far off
of the 99% that Randall Terry publicly admitted on his radio show to
be NON-activist sympathizers. (And remember, Randall Terry was one
of the most rabid of Anti-Choice's Level 1 leaders in the early '90s.
HE even recognizes this! It was VERY heartening to hear him make that
admission, in his show.)
I have often pointed out that the RRR Cultists (Religious Radical
Right), in which most Anti-Choicers are found, number around 2
million. Out of America's population of 270 million. Less than 1%.
MOST of whom aren't activists to ANY degree.
Even though I included people who have been so INactive as to
do NO more than make a rare Usenet post, or perhaps a perfunctory
phonecall to a congressperson in response to a call-to-action from a
leader... such minimal participation is enough to get them included in
the above pyramid.
By my own definition, which I think most people would regard to be
sensible, I regard someone to be Anti-CHOICE *only* if they take
SOME form of action (such as the above mentioned call(s) or post(s))
in support of the agenda that seeks to make things more difficult for
women in terms of having easy access to the remedy of abortion.
Beyond that lie the PASSIVE people who merely disagree with
abortion, but do NOTHING to impact abortion rights for others. (I.e.,
"I would never get one, but I won't interfere with others," or "I
think abortion is wrong, and that people shouldn't get them, but it's
not my business to get involved in the issue.") There are tens of
millions of people who feel THAT way in America. Going by the polls,
perhaps even 81 million. But there are hundreds of millions of people
who are both actively and passively *supportive* of abortion rights.
By the same polls, around 1.89 hundreds of millions. (189,000,000)
How many activists do WE Pro-Choicers have? Probably about the
same PERCENTAGE as there are in the Anti-Choice ranks. But since
Pro-Choicers outnumber Anti-Choicers by around 2-1, that gives us
twice as many activists as they have.. Which has proven to be VERY
beneficial -- in terms of, for example, making it is so easy for us to
neutralize Anti-Choice efforts at clinics.
(MOST Americans are apathetic on most issues, except at times
when a person's own PERSONAL ox is being gored. Thus, to best
understand much of what's happening on the front lines, it's
appropriate to see what the ACTIVISTS at all levels, on both sides,
are up to.)
The reality is that -- thanks to a very benevolent and compassionate
U.S. Supreme Court, sensible and fair-minded PRO-Choicers WON the
war over abortion, 31 years ago. And since then, egalitarians simply
have twarted the efforts of ineffectual collections of diehard bigots.
Finally -- when the Anti-Choice protesters "swooped" down on
Milwaukee some years ago... primarily from what then was America's
2nd-largest city (it's 3rd, now), near-by Chicago, I was there as a
clinic defender. All we had to do was determine WHICH clinic the
Antis were going to harass each day, and then be there in our greater
numbers to keep them from interfering. IF the numbers of
Anti-Choicers in society had been significant, they could easily have
overwhelmed us and blockaded ALL of Milwaukee's clinics,
simultaneously. In reality, they couldn't even adversely affect ONE.
And they TRIED as hard as they could, for weeks, before sheepishly
fading into the night in total defeat.
Fortunately for America, MOST people are far too intelligent to be
conned into buying into the hateful mindlessness of the RRR cult.
There's only finite number of people gullible enough to fall for such
tripe, and so the perctage has been about the same for the last 25
years: Betwen one and two Americans out of every 100 who would
in ANY way actively support the loathsome agendas of the RRR cult
against human rights.
And it's up to the fair-minded egalitarions to CONTINUE keeping
them from scoring any "victories" against our personal liberties.
The bigotry of the RRR cultists may only be confined to 1% of
Americans, but it's like this:
1% bigots : America :: 1% arsenic : glass of drinking water
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| User: "John Savard" |
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| Title: Re: RRR Cultists : USA :: Drops of Arsenic : Glass of Water |
28 Oct 2004 09:41:47 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:01:42 GMT, (GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote, in part:
The bigotry of the RRR cultists may only be confined to 1% of
Americans, but it's like this:
1% bigots : America :: 1% arsenic : glass of drinking water
They must be highly toxic. How else does one account for George W. Bush
getting more than 1% of the vote: particularly in 2000, when
fearmongering based on September 11, 2001 was not yet available?
John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: RRR Cultists : USA :: Drops of Arsenic : Glass of Water |
28 Oct 2004 10:04:35 AM |
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In article <418104cc.1313371@news.ecn.ab.ca>, John Savard
<jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:01:42 GMT, (GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote, in part:
The bigotry of the RRR cultists may only be confined to 1% of
Americans, but it's like this:
1% bigots : America :: 1% arsenic : glass of drinking water
They must be highly toxic. How else does one account for George W. Bush
getting more than 1% of the vote: particularly in 2000, when
fearmongering based on September 11, 2001 was not yet available?
Which goes to the heart of what I have said. Even if Kerry wins, the
country loses - unless he wins by a huge landslide. We have too many
people in this country who are full of hate and anger.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: RRR Cultists : USA :: Drops of Arsenic : Glass of Water |
28 Oct 2004 10:25:10 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <418104cc.1313371@news.ecn.ab.ca>, John Savard
<jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:01:42 GMT, (GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote, in part:
The bigotry of the RRR cultists may only be confined to 1% of
Americans, but it's like this:
1% bigots : America :: 1% arsenic : glass of drinking water
They must be highly toxic. How else does one account for George W. Bush
getting more than 1% of the vote: particularly in 2000, when
fearmongering based on September 11, 2001 was not yet available?
Which goes to the heart of what I have said. Even if Kerry wins, the
country loses - unless he wins by a huge landslide. We have too many
people in this country who are full of hate and anger.
And then there's the most frightening of all scenarios:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/27/campaign.tie.reut/index.html
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: RRR Cultists : USA :: Drops of Arsenic : Glass of Water |
28 Oct 2004 01:42:25 PM |
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Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in news:qb8gd.1201$5U.571
@news01.roc.ny:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <418104cc.1313371@news.ecn.ab.ca>, John Savard
<jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:01:42 GMT, (GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote, in part:
The bigotry of the RRR cultists may only be confined to 1% of
Americans, but it's like this:
1% bigots : America :: 1% arsenic : glass of drinking water
They must be highly toxic. How else does one account for George W. Bush
getting more than 1% of the vote: particularly in 2000, when
fearmongering based on September 11, 2001 was not yet available?
Which goes to the heart of what I have said. Even if Kerry wins, the
country loses - unless he wins by a huge landslide. We have too many
people in this country who are full of hate and anger.
And then there's the most frightening of all scenarios:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/27/campaign.tie.reut/index.html
it's an interesting concept, buit i don;t think there is any possibility of a
tie. if kerry wins in a close race, then republicans will cheat, most likely
by challenging kerry votes in states where kerry's margin of victory was the
smallest. just think florida,
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: RRR Cultists : USA :: Drops of Arsenic : Glass of Water |
28 Oct 2004 08:01:04 PM |
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In article <qb8gd.1201$5U.571@news01.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <418104cc.1313371@news.ecn.ab.ca>, John Savard
<jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:01:42 GMT, (GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote, in part:
The bigotry of the RRR cultists may only be confined to 1% of
Americans, but it's like this:
1% bigots : America :: 1% arsenic : glass of drinking water
They must be highly toxic. How else does one account for George W. Bush
getting more than 1% of the vote: particularly in 2000, when
fearmongering based on September 11, 2001 was not yet available?
Which goes to the heart of what I have said. Even if Kerry wins, the
country loses - unless he wins by a huge landslide. We have too many
people in this country who are full of hate and anger.
And then there's the most frightening of all scenarios:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/27/campaign.tie.reut/index.html
LOL! Yeah. That would be bad. First the USSC appoints him, then the
House. Even I'd feel sorry for him at that point.
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| User: "John Savard" |
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| Title: Re: RRR Cultists : USA :: Drops of Arsenic : Glass of Water |
29 Oct 2004 01:31:00 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:01:04 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote, in part:
LOL! Yeah. That would be bad. First the USSC appoints him, then the
House. Even I'd feel sorry for him at that point.
Of course, I love how the article says "as recently as August, chances
for a tie were only 1.4 percent" when the article indicates we should
get *really worried now* because the chances for a tie have risen to
just under 1.7 percent.
This is still a rapid change, and even as a possibility, it is
worrisome, but the fact that one has to be a careful reader to compare
the two figures does seem to be a sad commentary on how news stories are
written.
John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: RRR Cultists : USA :: Drops of Arsenic : Glass of Water |
29 Oct 2004 08:40:50 PM |
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In article <41828bc2.5687923@news.ecn.ab.ca>, John Savard
<jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:01:04 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote, in part:
LOL! Yeah. That would be bad. First the USSC appoints him, then the
House. Even I'd feel sorry for him at that point.
Of course, I love how the article says "as recently as August, chances
for a tie were only 1.4 percent" when the article indicates we should
get *really worried now* because the chances for a tie have risen to
just under 1.7 percent.
This is still a rapid change, and even as a possibility, it is
worrisome, but the fact that one has to be a careful reader to compare
the two figures does seem to be a sad commentary on how news stories are
written.
Sadly, news agencies feel they are in competition. They tend to hype.
I wish there was someone out there who was only interested in telling
the facts and letting us decide what it meant.
John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: RRR Cultists : USA :: Drops of Arsenic : Glass of Water |
29 Oct 2004 08:46:37 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in news:291020041840509974%
spam@aol.com:
Sadly, news agencies feel they are in competition. They tend to hype.
I wish there was someone out there who was only interested in telling
the facts and letting us decide what it meant.
there is. just listen to any major news media originating from any country
but the usa.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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29 Oct 2004 09:13:39 PM |
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In article <Xns9591DD8303A00keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4>, james g.
keegan jr. <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in news:291020041840509974%
spam@aol.com:
Sadly, news agencies feel they are in competition. They tend to hype.
I wish there was someone out there who was only interested in telling
the facts and letting us decide what it meant.
there is. just listen to any major news media originating from any country
but the usa.
Unfortunately, that is probably all we can look to.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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29 Oct 2004 09:17:25 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:291020041913398106%spam@aol.com:
In article <Xns9591DD8303A00keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4>, james g.
keegan jr. <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in news:291020041840509974%
spam@aol.com:
Sadly, news agencies feel they are in competition. They tend to
hype. I wish there was someone out there who was only interested in
telling the facts and letting us decide what it meant.
there is. just listen to any major news media originating from any
country but the usa.
Unfortunately, that is probably all we can look to.
when bush is defeated, i suspect kerry's congress will try to undo some of
the damage bush created with his legisnation/regulation allowing media-
monopoly
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| User: "John Savard" |
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| Title: Re: RRR Cultists : USA :: Drops of Arsenic : Glass of Water |
29 Oct 2004 01:25:06 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:04:35 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote, in part:
Which goes to the heart of what I have said. Even if Kerry wins, the
country loses - unless he wins by a huge landslide. We have too many
people in this country who are full of hate and anger.
Probably because we have over 2,000 too *few* people in the United
States, as they went missing on September 11, 2001.
Hate and anger may not really be good for people in the long run, but
they are a natural, and survival-enhancing, response to violent threats.
John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
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| User: "Jeff George" |
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01 Nov 2004 11:05:20 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:25:06 GMT I used my godlike powers to observe
the following from jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid (John Savard):
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:04:35 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote, in part:
Which goes to the heart of what I have said. Even if Kerry wins, the
country loses - unless he wins by a huge landslide. We have too many
people in this country who are full of hate and anger.
Probably because we have over 2,000 too *few* people in the United
States, as they went missing on September 11, 2001.
If only Bush would've heeded the warnings....
--
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
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