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27 Mar 2005 09:34:19 AM |
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Schiavo:Keeping the dead/undead alive |
Sorry to repost this, but it makes a point:
Interesting to see that "Christians" now feel we have to keep
our dead alive for as long as the technology will support them.
In future we can expect dead politicians to rule from hospital
beds where their followers interprete the sounds they make for
the rest of us and escalate them into official policy:
President Kennedy: "Oohn gworp"
Jacqui Kennedy: "He said, 'Invade Cuba!'"
Priest: (making sign of Cross) "Let it be so!"
Now, let's talk about implications:
Politicians can rule beyond the physical grave?
Christians are so scared of death that they have to avoid it at
all and any costs?
Vampires? Keeping a dead person alive drains the blood/resources
available to salvageable cases?
Where are we going with this?
Who benefits?
Has anyone followed the money in this tale? Church colelctions, lawyers,
politicians? An attempt to make the Catholic Church respectable again?
Is it merely a political excuse to replace the judiciary or
make a case for the anti-abortionists?
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| User: "Topaz" |
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27 Mar 2005 05:12:33 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:34:19 -0500, BadPony <ebc1!@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry to repost this, but it makes a point:
Interesting to see that "Christians" now feel we have to keep
our dead alive for as long as the technology will support them.
In future we can expect dead politicians to rule from hospital
beds where their followers interprete the sounds they make for
the rest of us and escalate them into official policy:
President Kennedy: "Oohn gworp"
Jacqui Kennedy: "He said, 'Invade Cuba!'"
Priest: (making sign of Cross) "Let it be so!"
Now, let's talk about implications:
Politicians can rule beyond the physical grave?
Christians are so scared of death that they have to avoid it at
all and any costs?
Vampires? Keeping a dead person alive drains the blood/resources
available to salvageable cases?
Where are we going with this?
Who benefits?
Has anyone followed the money in this tale? Church colelctions, lawyers,
politicians? An attempt to make the Catholic Church respectable again?
Is it merely a political excuse to replace the judiciary or
make a case for the anti-abortionists?
Those are good points. But giving food and water is hardly the
modern technology you are suggesting. You may be right in some cases,
but in this case this lady looked happy, it looked like she was
smiling.
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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27 Mar 2005 09:30:44 PM |
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Topaz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:34:19 -0500, BadPony <ebc1!@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry to repost this, but it makes a point:
Interesting to see that "Christians" now feel we have to keep
our dead alive for as long as the technology will support them.
In future we can expect dead politicians to rule from hospital
beds where their followers interprete the sounds they make for
the rest of us and escalate them into official policy:
President Kennedy: "Oohn gworp"
Jacqui Kennedy: "He said, 'Invade Cuba!'"
Priest: (making sign of Cross) "Let it be so!"
Now, let's talk about implications:
Politicians can rule beyond the physical grave?
Christians are so scared of death that they have to avoid it at
all and any costs?
Vampires? Keeping a dead person alive drains the blood/resources
available to salvageable cases?
Where are we going with this?
Who benefits?
Has anyone followed the money in this tale? Church colelctions, lawyers,
politicians? An attempt to make the Catholic Church respectable again?
Is it merely a political excuse to replace the judiciary or
make a case for the anti-abortionists?
Those are good points. But giving food and water is hardly the
modern technology you are suggesting. You may be right in some cases,
but in this case this lady looked happy, it looked like she was
smiling.
"Looked" happy.
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| User: "BadPony" |
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27 Mar 2005 05:47:59 PM |
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Topaz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:34:19 -0500, BadPony <ebc1!@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry to repost this, but it makes a point:
Interesting to see that "Christians" now feel we have to keep
our dead alive for as long as the technology will support them.
In future we can expect dead politicians to rule from hospital
beds where their followers interprete the sounds they make for
the rest of us and escalate them into official policy:
President Kennedy: "Oohn gworp"
Jacqui Kennedy: "He said, 'Invade Cuba!'"
Priest: (making sign of Cross) "Let it be so!"
Now, let's talk about implications:
Politicians can rule beyond the physical grave?
Christians are so scared of death that they have to avoid it at
all and any costs?
Vampires? Keeping a dead person alive drains the blood/resources
available to salvageable cases?
Where are we going with this?
Who benefits?
Has anyone followed the money in this tale? Church colelctions, lawyers,
politicians? An attempt to make the Catholic Church respectable again?
Is it merely a political excuse to replace the judiciary or
make a case for the anti-abortionists?
Those are good points. But giving food and water is hardly the
modern technology you are suggesting. You may be right in some cases,
but in this case this lady looked happy, it looked like she was
smiling.
Old footage and meaningless. Her autonomic reposnses are all
thats left.
All that money pent on keeping a dead woman alive when the money could
be spent on sick or dying babies. These people call themselves Christians???
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| User: "Sneechres" |
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28 Mar 2005 10:41:30 PM |
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BadPony wrote:
Topaz wrote:
Old footage and meaningless. Her autonomic reposnses are all
thats left.
All that money pent on keeping a dead woman alive
That's self-contradictory.
You do know the difference between dead and alive, don't you?
when the money could
be spent on sick or dying babies.
Something tells me that you really don't care about "dying babies" any
more than you care about the disabled who just happen to be speechless.
These people call themselves Christians???
What do you know about Christianity?
--S
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| User: "BadPony" |
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29 Mar 2005 07:32:24 AM |
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Sneechres wrote:
BadPony wrote:
Topaz wrote:
Old footage and meaningless. Her autonomic reposnses are all
thats left.
All that money pent on keeping a dead woman alive
That's self-contradictory.
Not at all - science allows us to do that these days.
2000, 500, 30 years ago, Terri would have been dead.
But now people want technology to keep her alive when
technology and medical observation tells them there is
no hope of recovery and that she is brain flatlined
for all the functions that constitute consciousness,
has been so for 15 years and cat scans show that her
brain has deteriorated MASSIVELY.
You do know the difference between dead and alive, don't you?
Do tell! Use definitions too. Tell us why the doctors made the
diagnosis they did and why the courts concurred and allowed the
feeding tube to be detached. Please feel free to talk about EEGs,
CAT scans and neuron regrowth, or miracles if you prefer.
when the money could
be spent on sick or dying babies.
Something tells me that you really don't care about "dying babies" any
more than you care about the disabled who just happen to be speechless.
I know that I would rather see that money spent on more worthy causes
as I suggested above. You know squat about me.
These people call themselves Christians???
What do you know about Christianity?
What are you looking for, a treatise?
Here's my view:
These people have spent millions on court case after court case
to appeal decisions to keep their daughter alive.
They have caused a disturbance, pulling local police from
neighbourhood duties, caused arrests, defamed Michael Schiavo,
caused an elementary school to be shut down, caused a girl
to miss her dear grandfather's death because of security
concerns at the hospice, managed to get the president and
congress to waste taxpayers money on this issue.
Tell me how that's Christian. Pagan, atavistic, ignorant
perhaps, but not Christian. Where does it take into account
the Holy Trinity who take care of us from birth to death and
beyond will take care of Terri no matter what? Hmmm?
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| User: "" |
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29 Mar 2005 11:10:53 PM |
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BadPony wrote:
Sneechres wrote:
BadPony wrote:
Topaz wrote:
Old footage and meaningless. Her autonomic reposnses are all
thats left.
All that money pent on keeping a dead woman alive
That's self-contradictory.
Not at all - science allows us to do that these days.
Science which you advocate not using. How ironic.
2000, 500, 30 years ago, Terri would have been dead.
So you admit that she is not dead. A nice reversal there.
But now people want technology to keep her alive
Gee, I thought science and the evolution of science were positive good,
that they should be used above religion.
when
technology and medical observation tells them there is
no hope of recovery and that she is brain flatlined
for all the functions that constitute consciousness,
What is consciousness?
Document here the proof that Terri Schiavo has none.
has been so for 15 years and cat scans show that her
brain has deteriorated MASSIVELY.
Like this guy? Think we should have pulled his plug?
http://www.medi-fax.com/atlas/braindegenerative/images/case1CTBrain5s.jpg
You do know the difference between dead and alive, don't you?
Do tell!
www.m-w.com
Were she dead, why is she occupying space at a hospice instead of a
casket at the cemetery?
when the money could
be spent on sick or dying babies.
Something tells me that you really don't care about "dying babies"
any
more than you care about the disabled who just happen to be
speechless.
I know that I would rather see that money spent on more worthy causes
as I suggested above.
Why is what *you* consider "worthy" important?
You know squat about me.
I can just about guess.
These people call themselves Christians???
What do you know about Christianity?
What are you looking for, a treatise?
No, your views about what it means to be Christian.
Here's my view:
These people have spent millions on court case after court case
to appeal decisions to keep their daughter alive.
Like I thought, you don't know anything about Christianity, Christians,
etc.
They have caused a disturbance,
Why is that the "Christians'" fault? Why not lay the blame on the
judges that made the decision?
pulling local police from
neighbourhood duties,
Again, also the fault of judges for making a decision that requires
police to enforce. Had they found Michael Schiavo in a conflict of
interest and granted custody to the parents, none of this would be
happening right now. But no, Greer needs the money from the donors.
caused arrests,
Including that of ten year old little boys trying to bring a cup of
water to a dying woman. Uh huh. Those eeeeeeeeevil Christians have
got to go!
defamed Michael Schiavo,
Michael Schiavo has defamed himself. Any way you look at this case, he
comes out looking like a fiend. I wonder why that is.
caused an elementary school to be shut down,
It wasn't shut down. It was moved.
caused a girl
to miss her dear grandfather's death because of security
concerns at the hospice,
Well! That's a terrible event to "miss!" Get her TIVO. Never miss
anything again.
managed to get the president and
congress to waste taxpayers money on this issue.
Now why would you think that people will believe that you actually care
about the "taxpayers money?"
Tell me how that's Christian.
As far as I can tell, the "Christians" are only minimally involved.
Pagan, atavistic, ignorant
perhaps, but not Christian.
In what way is protesting death by starvation "not Christian"? Show
from the scriptures.
Where does it take into account
the Holy Trinity who take care of us from birth to death and
beyond will take care of Terri no matter what? Hmmm?
How do you know that "the trinity...will take care of Terri no matter
what"? What does that even mean?
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Was Terri born again? How do you know for sure?
--S
Deut 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set
before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life,
that both thou and thy seed may live...
Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are
the ways of death.
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| User: "BadPony" |
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30 Mar 2005 06:51:10 AM |
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wrote:
BadPony wrote:
Sneechres wrote:
BadPony wrote:
Topaz wrote:
Old footage and meaningless. Her autonomic reposnses are all
thats left.
All that money pent on keeping a dead woman alive
That's self-contradictory.
Not at all - science allows us to do that these days.
Science which you advocate not using. How ironic.
To what end should she be kept alive? Hopes of recovery?
There is none. Seen her CAT scan? Her brain is filled with
fluid cavities in typical PVS style, and NO-ONE has come
back from the state she's in.
2000, 500, 30 years ago, Terri would have been dead.
So you admit that she is not dead. A nice reversal there.
She is effectively brain dead, but her autonomic responses
keep chugging away. We ALL die, bud, get used to it.
Besides this isn't REALLY about Terri - it's about abortion
and harvesting organs from babies born without brains in
much the same condition as Terri is in.
But now people want technology to keep her alive
Gee, I thought science and the evolution of science were positive good,
that they should be used above religion.
Above religion? Science is fine, but in this case it's
being used keep a person who is braindead alive. No point.
when
technology and medical observation tells them there is
no hope of recovery and that she is brain flatlined
for all the functions that constitute consciousness,
What is consciousness?
What makes you Sneechres.
Document here the proof that Terri Schiavo has none.
The neurologists who examined her, did the CAT scan, made the
call based on examination and empirical observation built on thousands
of years of human history. Her husband made the decision to
pull the plug based on that and his conversations with Terri as
to her wishes. The parents objected - it went to court.
The court reviewed the evidence and sided with Michael
Schiavo.
has been so for 15 years and cat scans show that her
brain has deteriorated MASSIVELY.
Like this guy? Think we should have pulled his plug?
http://www.medi-fax.com/atlas/braindegenerative/images/case1CTBrain5s.jpg
Actually Terri's looked worse since the fluid cavities were throughout.
Bottom line is that there are some cases where you can
have fluid in the brain and still function relatively normally,
but when your cortex is destroyed e.g. without oxygen for 10 minutes or
more, you're fried. Brain stem will continue to function though.
Just like Terri.
You do know the difference between dead and alive, don't you?
Do tell!
www.m-w.com
Cute.
Were she dead, why is she occupying space at a hospice instead of a
casket at the cemetery?
They put a feed tube into her than shunts a chemical
cocktail into her to keep her alive. 30 years ago the technology wasn't
available.
when the money could
be spent on sick or dying babies.
Something tells me that you really don't care about "dying babies"
any
more than you care about the disabled who just happen to be
speechless.
I know that I would rather see that money spent on more worthy causes
as I suggested above.
Why is what *you* consider "worthy" important?
People who have a chance at living normal, productive lives.
You know squat about me.
I can just about guess.
Really, based on what exactly?
These people call themselves Christians???
What do you know about Christianity?
What are you looking for, a treatise?
No, your views about what it means to be Christian.
Here's my view:
These people have spent millions on court case after court case
to appeal decisions to keep their daughter alive.
Like I thought, you don't know anything about Christianity, Christians,
etc.
Please explain your grand leap of faith from my opening remark
on this topic to your next. While you are at it, explain
where your faith in God is, in all of this, and that since we
all die and are in HIS hands from before birth to after
death, you think He will not take good care of Terri's
immortal soul? Thus making this all irrelevant since she is
effectively dead with no chance of recovery??
They have caused a disturbance,
Why is that the "Christians'" fault? Why not lay the blame on the
judges that made the decision?
Because the law of the land applies. If you don't like it,
get congress to change it. Until then abide by it and give to
Caesar what is Caesars, remember? I don't recall Jesus calling
for insurrection, do you??
pulling local police from
neighbourhood duties,
Again, also the fault of judges for making a decision that requires
police to enforce. Had they found Michael Schiavo in a conflict of
interest and granted custody to the parents, none of this would be
happening right now. But no, Greer needs the money from the donors.
Actually all the money has been going to the Schindlers at this
point and they have even sold a list of their donors.
But, I digress. You don't seem to understand the law and due process
since you are unhappy with all the judges. As I said, you need to
get the law changed. The judges merely apply legal tests to the
cases in front of them - the Schindlers failed, repeatedly.
caused arrests,
Including that of ten year old little boys trying to bring a cup of
water to a dying woman. Uh huh. Those eeeeeeeeevil Christians have
got to go!
That cup of water would have killed her (body). She can't swallow
and what goes into the feeding tube isn't WATER!
defamed Michael Schiavo,
Michael Schiavo has defamed himself. Any way you look at this case, he
comes out looking like a fiend. I wonder why that is.
Because crackpot's have made him look so in the media. He
has bankrupted himself trying to look after Terri and has not
divorced her. Think he should be married to a dead woman for
another 15 years?
caused an elementary school to be shut down,
It wasn't shut down. It was moved.
Moved? Where?
caused a girl
to miss her dear grandfather's death because of security
concerns at the hospice,
Well! That's a terrible event to "miss!" Get her TIVO. Never miss
anything again.
She loved her grandfather and you make a mockery of his death for her?
Interesting.
managed to get the president and
congress to waste taxpayers money on this issue.
Now why would you think that people will believe that you actually care
about the "taxpayers money?"
Because I am a taxpayer and a lot of other taxpayers dont believe that
the president and congress should have become involved in this and
used our tax $$ for their pet religious projects which amount to
nothing more than political grandstanding.
Tell me how that's Christian.
As far as I can tell, the "Christians" are only minimally involved.
First piece of good news I have heard. Please explain.
Pagan, atavistic, ignorant
perhaps, but not Christian.
In what way is protesting death by starvation "not Christian"? Show
from the scriptures.
Happens hundreds of thousands of times, especially in Africa.
Mabye you should take your crusade there?
Where does it take into account
the Holy Trinity who take care of us from birth to death and
beyond will take care of Terri no matter what? Hmmm?
How do you know that "the trinity...will take care of Terri no matter
what"? What does that even mean?
Her soul, Sneech, her soul.
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Was Terri born again? How do you know for sure?
I have no idea and choose not to make pride-filled pronouncements
about who might go to heaven or not. We're ALL sinners here, aren't
we? Hence, at God's mercy.
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| User: "" |
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02 Apr 2005 12:42:11 AM |
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BadPony wrote:
Science which you advocate not using. How ironic.
To what end should she be kept alive?
I see, a life should be justified. To you? Someone needs to give you
a good reason why they should be allowed to live?
Hopes of recovery?
There is none.
You don't know that.
Doctors are often wrong. Not just occasionally, often. Especially
when the man making the diagnoses is on the board of a pro-euthanasia
group.
Seen her CAT scan?
Yes, looks hydrocephalic to me.
Her brain is filled with
fluid cavities in typical PVS style, and NO-ONE has come
back from the state she's in.
That's incorrect.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/200535/3/prwebxml214441.php
2000, 500, 30 years ago, Terri would have been dead.
So you admit that she is not dead. A nice reversal there.
She is effectively brain dead,
That was never the diagnosis.
but her autonomic responses
keep chugging away. We ALL die, bud, get used to it.
Is that the reason you promote death?
If death happens naturally, is that an argument for you to purposely
cause it?
Besides this isn't REALLY about Terri -
Really, then who is it about?
it's about abortion
and harvesting organs from babies born without brains in
much the same condition as Terri is in.
I don't think anyone mentioned organs at all in relation to this story.
Why would they since Schiavo's organs will be cremated with her?
technology and medical observation tells them there is
no hope of recovery and that she is brain flatlined
for all the functions that constitute consciousness,
What is consciousness?
What makes you Sneechres.
What is that? And how can you tell I have it? And why is it
important?
Document here the proof that Terri Schiavo has none.
The neurologists who examined her,
Cannot prove anything absolutely the same as you cannot. There were
other people that examined her who disagreed. Why do you ignore them?
has been so for 15 years and cat scans show that her
brain has deteriorated MASSIVELY.
Like this guy? Think we should have pulled his plug?
http://www.medi-fax.com/atlas/braindegenerative/images/case1CTBrain5s.jpg
Actually Terri's looked worse since the fluid cavities were
throughout.
Answer the question. Should the person in the above picture be allowed
to die?
Even when a doctor disagrees?
http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html
You do know the difference between dead and alive, don't you?
Do tell!
www.m-w.com
Cute.
Almost as cute as your definition of "consciousness."
I know that I would rather see that money spent on more worthy
causes
as I suggested above.
Why is what *you* consider "worthy" important?
People who have a chance at living normal, productive lives.
Again, why is what you consider "worthy" important?
You know squat about me.
I can just about guess.
Really, based on what exactly?
Your idiotic, virtually fact-free posts.
These people have spent millions on court case after court case
to appeal decisions to keep their daughter alive.
Like I thought, you don't know anything about Christianity,
Christians,
etc.
Please explain your grand leap of faith from my opening remark
on this topic to your next.
Easy: You can't quote scripture to justify your stance. Name one
Christian tenet that was violated by people who struggled to keep a
woman alive. One.
They have caused a disturbance,
Why is that the "Christians'" fault? Why not lay the blame on the
judges that made the decision?
Because the law of the land applies.
There is no law that allows for starvation death on hearsay testimony.
NONE.
If you don't like it,
get congress to change it.
I have a feeling things will be changing in that direction.
Until then abide by it and give to
Caesar what is Caesars, remember?
And what about what is God's?
I don't recall Jesus calling
for insurrection, do you??
Who is talking about insurrection?
pulling local police from
neighbourhood duties,
Again, also the fault of judges for making a decision that requires
police to enforce. Had they found Michael Schiavo in a conflict of
interest and granted custody to the parents, none of this would be
happening right now. But no, Greer needs the money from the
donors.
Actually all the money has been going to the Schindlers at this
point
Um, no, George Felos donated money to Greer's re-election. If that is
not conflict of interest calling for a recuse, I don't know what is.
caused arrests,
Including that of ten year old little boys trying to bring a cup of
water to a dying woman. Uh huh. Those eeeeeeeeevil Christians
have
got to go!
That cup of water would have killed her (body).
That's what they were trying to do anyway!
defamed Michael Schiavo,
Michael Schiavo has defamed himself. Any way you look at this
case, he
comes out looking like a fiend. I wonder why that is.
Because crackpot's have made him look so in the media.
Which crackpots in which media and what did they say?
He
has bankrupted himself trying to look after Terri
Actually that was her father. Schiavo gets whatever money is left in
Terri's estate which is about 50 grand.
and has not
divorced her. Think he should be married to a dead woman for
another 15 years?
Yep, till DEATH do you part, not till retardation, incapacitation,
handicapping, or disability. And CAUSING the death is not an
acceptable way out, either.
caused an elementary school to be shut down,
It wasn't shut down. It was moved.
Moved? Where?
To other schools in the same area. They even reworked the busing.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/3/27/75980.html
caused a girl
to miss her dear grandfather's death because of security
concerns at the hospice,
Well! That's a terrible event to "miss!" Get her TIVO. Never
miss
anything again.
She loved her grandfather and you make a mockery of his death for
her?
I missed my grandfather's death, too. It happens. It would have been
better had she been there when he was alive instead.
Tell me how that's Christian.
As far as I can tell, the "Christians" are only minimally involved.
First piece of good news I have heard. Please explain.
The Christians had nothing to do with the court decisions, the
Christians certainly had nothing to do with Terri's original state, and
they had nothing to do with the family dispute caused by Michael
Schiavo.
Pagan, atavistic, ignorant
perhaps, but not Christian.
In what way is protesting death by starvation "not Christian"?
Show
from the scriptures.
Happens hundreds of thousands of times, especially in Africa.
I asked you for a Scripture reference. How is protesting a
government-sanctioned starvation NOT Christian?
Where does it take into account
the Holy Trinity who take care of us from birth to death and
beyond will take care of Terri no matter what? Hmmm?
How do you know that "the trinity...will take care of Terri no
matter
what"? What does that even mean?
Her soul, Sneech, her soul.
Again, how do you know this? What does it mean to "take care of" the
soul?
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Was Terri born again? How do you know for sure?
I have no idea and choose not to make pride-filled pronouncements
about who might go to heaven or not.
Indeed, so you believe that people should be killed before even knowing
for sure what happens to them afterward.
What an idiot you are.
We're ALL sinners here, aren't
we? Hence, at God's mercy.
Too bad you don't have any of the same mercy for others.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Apr 2005 02:23:43 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
BadPony wrote:
Science which you advocate not using. How ironic.
To what end should she be kept alive?
I see, a life should be justified.
It's the Republican way.
To you? Someone needs to give you
a good reason why they should be allowed to live?
We see the right-wing pulling the plug and killing people all of the
time. It's always been the liberals who try to defend people against
the like of you.
Hopes of recovery?
There is none.
You don't know that.
Yes, we did know that.
Doctors are often wrong. Not just occasionally, often.
More often than the medical opinions of people who have NO medical
training?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "BadPony" |
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02 Apr 2005 08:40:51 AM |
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wrote:
BadPony wrote:
Science which you advocate not using. How ironic.
To what end should she be kept alive?
I see, a life should be justified. To you? Someone needs to give you
a good reason why they should be allowed to live?
Who said that, apart from you?
Hopes of recovery?
There is none.
You don't know that.
You're in denial of the facts. Pointless contuing the conversation.
Wait till the autopsy report, then we'll speak again.
You also need to differentiate between conditions that are
recoverable and those that are not. No-one with a cat scan
like Terri's with the symptoms of PVS for 15 years has ever
recovered. Learn not to be so afraid of death and trust in God.
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| User: "Attila" |
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31 Mar 2005 10:22:05 AM |
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On 29 Mar 2005 21:10:53 -0800, in alt.abortion
with message-id
<1112159453.191614.200250@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
2000, 500, 30 years ago, Terri would have been dead.
So you admit that she is not dead. A nice reversal there.
She has had the intellectual capacity of a turnip for 15 years.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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01 Apr 2005 12:20:32 AM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com in alt.abortion
2000, 500, 30 years ago, Terri would have been dead.
So you admit that she is not dead. A nice reversal there.
She has had the intellectual capacity of a turnip for 15 years.
That's why the neocons are worried. They're not any smarter.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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02 Apr 2005 12:52:40 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com in alt.abortion
2000, 500, 30 years ago, Terri would have been dead.
So you admit that she is not dead. A nice reversal there.
She has had the intellectual capacity of a turnip for 15 years.
That's why the neocons are worried. They're not any smarter.
And if people like you are in charge, they won't be any deader.
--S
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Apr 2005 02:24:23 PM |
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<sneechres@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
sneechres@yahoo.com in alt.abortion
2000, 500, 30 years ago, Terri would have been dead.
So you admit that she is not dead. A nice reversal there.
She has had the intellectual capacity of a turnip for 15 years.
That's why the neocons are worried. They're not any smarter.
And if people like you are in charge, they won't be any deader.
Did you forget that you're the side in favor of killing people?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Topaz" |
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29 Mar 2005 07:43:19 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:32:24 -0500, BadPony <ebc1!@yahoo.com> wrote:
These people have spent millions on court case after court case
to appeal decisions to keep their daughter alive.
One million would have been enough to feed their daughter for a very
long time. Surely they should be allowed to spend the money that way
if they want to.
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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| User: "BadPony" |
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29 Mar 2005 10:31:22 PM |
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Topaz wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:32:24 -0500, BadPony <ebc1!@yahoo.com> wrote:
These people have spent millions on court case after court case
to appeal decisions to keep their daughter alive.
One million would have been enough to feed their daughter for a very
long time. Surely they should be allowed to spend the money that way
if they want to.
What about her husband who doesn't believe in divorce? Condemn him to
being married to a dead woman for another 15 years??
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| User: "Topaz" |
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30 Mar 2005 08:57:22 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:31:22 -0500, BadPony <ebc1!@yahoo.com> wrote:
What about her husband who doesn't believe in divorce? Condemn him to
being married to a dead woman for another 15 years??
Why are you so caring about him and not the parents?
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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| User: "BadPony" |
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30 Mar 2005 10:32:34 PM |
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Topaz wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:31:22 -0500, BadPony <ebc1!@yahoo.com> wrote:
What about her husband who doesn't believe in divorce? Condemn him to
being married to a dead woman for another 15 years??
Why are you so caring about him and not the parents?
Actually, I feel sorry for the parents, especially Mrs S,
but their behaviour is either, irrational, deluded or they
have a hidden agenda. What's your guess? They think Terri
will recover? Not going to happen. See, we have seen this
condition for millenia - it's old news. Only thing is, that
science protracts it to the pain of all concerned now. Sad.
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