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User: "papa jack"
Date: 29 Sep 2004 05:41:37 PM
Object: Senate Testimony on Abortion
Testimony of Ms. Michaelene Jenkins,
Executive Director Life Resource Network's Women's Task Force
Before the Subcommittee on Science, Technology, and Space
U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation
March 3, 2004
http://www.womendeservebetter.com/press/testimony3-4mj.htm
________________________________________________________________________
[...]
"My experience at the abortion clinic was painful and
humiliating. Although the young women awaiting their
abortions were anxious and tearful, the clinic staff
was cold and aloof. I met briefly with a "counselor"
who characterized my 8-week pregnancy as a "couple of
cells" and the "products of conception."
"When the abortion provider entered my procedure room,
I began to have second thoughts and asked her assistant
if I could have a few minutes. The doctor yelled "shut
her up" and started the suction machine. It was not an
empowering experience. I felt violated and betrayed.
"The promised solution -- really the only option pre-
sented to me -- wasn't the end of my nightmare, but
only the beginning. I was completely unprepared for
the emotional fallout after the abortion.
"I soon found myself in a cycle of self-destructive
behavior that included an eating disorder. Desperate
for a fresh start, I broke up with my boyfriend, quit
my job, and moved from Minnesota to Hawaii.
"While living in Hawaii I educated myself about fetal
development. I was shocked to learn that an 8-week
embryo is at least a half-inch long with a head, arms
and legs, a beating heart and functioning brain. I
sank even deeper into depression and self-hatred as I
realized I had destroyed my own child. This continued
for the next few years until I sought assistance when
suicidal thoughts began to overwhelm me.
"With the help of counselors and supportive friends the
time of self-condemnation and self-punishment came to
an end allowing me to enter into a healthy grieving
process. In addition to grieving the loss of my child,
I slowly became aware of the impact my choice had on
other members of my family.
"Although I have repeatedly assured my parents that I
never doubted their support and assistance if I had
decided to carry the baby to term, they continue to
believe that somehow they failed me and that they are
partly responsible for the death of their grandchild.
When I first told my sister she cried and said she
wished she didn't know about the niece or nephew that
is missing. My oldest son found out quite young and
still struggles with the loss of a sibling and the
reality that his mother was the cause of the loss. My
youngest son who is 8 hasn't been told yet, and it
breaks my heart that he will have to deal with a loss
that I inflicted.
"In addition to coping with the fallout the abortion
has caused in my family there are still times that
are painful for me. After all, healing doesn't mean
forgetting. Mother's Day is particularly difficult.
As motherhood is celebrated I experience great joy
in regard to my living children at the same time
aching for the child that I destroyed.
"At one time I thought that my abortion experience
was unique, but over the years I have found that
it is not. There is mounting evidence -- both
anecdotal and in published studies-that women
suffer emotionally after an abortion. But since
abortion is held hostage to politics and special
interest groups there are too few reliable studies
that have been done. Abortion continues to be an
unchecked and unstudied experiment on American
women.
"It has been nineteen years since my abortion.
Although much has changed in nineteen years, not
much has changed for women experiencing an untimely
pregnancy. They still face unsupportive partners
and employers and are often unaware of the community
resources available to them. They undergo abortion
not so much out of choice, but out of desperation or
as a last resort.
"Although some women are able to move on from their
abortion, many are left with physical or emotional
scars that negatively affect their lives for years
and sometimes decades.
"In all the noise surrounding abortion, women are
often forgotten. It is time to stop the noise and
start listening to women who have experienced abor-
tion. I am grateful that you have taken the time to
listen and I urge you to continue to take steps to
understand the impact abortion has on women."
________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
I'm sure there are many women who have abortions with
only a minimum of physical or emotional difficulties.
However, more and more, we're hearing from women like
Michaelene Jenkins who take years to cope with the
damage done.
I particularly noted her description of the of the
spreading ring of emotional pain felt by her parents,
sister, and surviving children. Like a pebble thrown
in a pond, the emotional disturbance spreads out to
others close to the woman involved. I know that won't
seem important to those who follow the "Me," "Me," "Me,"
"Me," "Me," "Me," philosophy of life -- but, I still
believe most of us do care how our actions impact on
our families and friends.
"Women Deserve Better!"
.

User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 29 Sep 2004 08:35:13 PM
"Although much has changed in nineteen years, not
much has changed for women experiencing an untimely
pregnancy. They still face unsupportive partners
and employers and are often unaware of the community
resources available to them. They undergo abortion
not so much out of choice, but out of desperation or
as a last resort."
How true.
Especially in light of the Univeristy of Colorado rape and call girls for
football recruits cases.
Our nation sucks at really protecting women.
.

User: "Spartakus"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 08:18:05 AM
(papa jack) wrote...

Testimony of Ms. Michaelene Jenkins,
Executive Director Life Resource Network's Women's Task Force

Oh, now *there's* a credible, unbiased source. Let's see...
http://www.liferesource.net
ABOUT US: The Life Resource Network is a dedicated
group of women and men.
How dedicated, you ask?
VOLUNTEER ACTIVITY: 420 hours by 54 volunteers
Year to Date: 649 hours by 60 volunteers
That's for the 2nd quarter of 2002. They couldn't even muster *one*
FTE's worth of activity from *60* volunteers! That's dedication for
you.
"Life Resource Network" = "circle-jerk of slackers with aspirations to
busybody-ness"
Feh.
.

User: "Frank Dwyer"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 29 Sep 2004 11:28:08 PM
papa jack wrote:

Testimony of Ms. Michaelene Jenkins,
Executive Director Life Resource Network's Women's Task Force

Before the Subcommittee on Science, Technology, and Space
U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation
March 3, 2004

http://www.womendeservebetter.com/press/testimony3-4mj.htm
________________________________________________________________________
[...]

"My experience at the abortion clinic was painful and
humiliating.

Why didn't she just leave?

Although the young women awaiting their
abortions were anxious and tearful, the clinic staff
was cold and aloof.

Why didn't she just leave?

I met briefly with a "counselor"
who characterized my 8-week pregnancy as a "couple of
cells" and the "products of conception."

Was she wrong?

"When the abortion provider entered my procedure room,
I began to have second thoughts and asked her assistant
if I could have a few minutes. The doctor yelled "shut
her up" and started the suction machine.

Why didn't she just leave?

It was not an
empowering experience. I felt violated and betrayed.

Why didn't she just leave?

"The promised solution -- really the only option pre-
sented to me -- wasn't the end of my nightmare, but
only the beginning. I was completely unprepared for
the emotional fallout after the abortion.

No one's fault but her own.
Why didn't she just leave?

"I soon found myself in a cycle of self-destructive
behavior that included an eating disorder. Desperate
for a fresh start, I broke up with my boyfriend, quit
my job, and moved from Minnesota to Hawaii.

No one's fault but her own.
Why didn't she just leave?

"While living in Hawaii I educated myself about fetal
development. I was shocked to learn that an 8-week
embryo is at least a half-inch long with a head, arms
and legs, a beating heart and functioning brain. I
sank even deeper into depression and self-hatred as I
realized I had destroyed my own child. This continued
for the next few years until I sought assistance when
suicidal thoughts began to overwhelm me.

No one's fault but her own.
Why didn't she just leave?

"With the help of counselors and supportive friends the
time of self-condemnation and self-punishment came to
an end allowing me to enter into a healthy grieving
process. In addition to grieving the loss of my child,
I slowly became aware of the impact my choice had on
other members of my family.

Her problem.

"Although I have repeatedly assured my parents that I
never doubted their support and assistance if I had
decided to carry the baby to term, they continue to
believe that somehow they failed me and that they are
partly responsible for the death of their grandchild.

Their problem

When I first told my sister she cried and said she
wished she didn't know about the niece or nephew that
is missing.

Her problem.

My oldest son found out quite young and
still struggles with the loss of a sibling and the
reality that his mother was the cause of the loss.

His problem.
Why didn't she just leave?

My youngest son who is 8 hasn't been told yet, and it
breaks my heart that he will have to deal with a loss
that I inflicted.

Why didn't she just leave?
Why doesn't she just stop talking about it to the kids like it's a life
altering tragedy for them?

"In addition to coping with the fallout the abortion
has caused in my family there are still times that
are painful for me. After all, healing doesn't mean
forgetting. Mother's Day is particularly difficult.

Her problem.
Why didn't she just leave?

As motherhood is celebrated I experience great joy
in regard to my living children at the same time
aching for the child that I destroyed.

Her problem.

"At one time I thought that my abortion experience
was unique, but over the years I have found that
it is not. There is mounting evidence -- both
anecdotal and in published studies-that

some

women

may

suffer emotionally after an abortion. But since
abortion is held hostage to politics and special
interest groups there are too few reliable studies
that have been done. Abortion continues to be an
unchecked and unstudied experiment on American
women.

Then she should study it.

"It has been nineteen years since my abortion.
Although much has changed in nineteen years, not
much has changed for women experiencing an untimely
pregnancy. They still face unsupportive partners
and employers and are often unaware of the community
resources available to them. They undergo abortion
not so much out of choice, but out of desperation or
as a last resort.

Their problem.

"Although some women are able to move on from their
abortion, many are left with physical or emotional
scars that negatively affect their lives for years
and sometimes decades.

Their problem.

"In all the noise surrounding abortion, women are
often forgotten. It is time to stop the noise and
start listening to women who have experienced abor-
tion. I am grateful that you have taken the time to
listen and I urge you to continue to take steps to
understand the impact abortion has on women."
________________________________________________________________________

Papa Jack comments:
I'm sure there are many women who have abortions with
only a minimum of physical or emotional difficulties.
However, more and more, we're hearing from women like
Michaelene Jenkins who take years to cope with the
damage done.

Not our problem.

I particularly noted her description of the of the
spreading ring of emotional pain felt by her parents,
sister, and surviving children.

She makes it sound like she has a breakdown whenever the topic is
brought up. Of course it affects those around her. If she would just
learn to deal with the reality SHE created for herself, they'd all be
much better off.

Like a pebble thrown
in a pond, the emotional disturbance spreads out to
others close to the woman involved.

Like sand through the hourglass...

I know that won't
seem important to those who follow the "Me," "Me," "Me,"
"Me," "Me," "Me," philosophy of life

Like you you you?

-- but, I still
believe most of us do care how our actions impact on
our families and friends.

Sure, that's why those that don't want an abortion don't have to get
one. Before the procedure starts, they can just leave. Why didn't she
just leave?

"Women Deserve Better!"

They deserve better than the freedom to make their own decisions?
Yeah, ok.
.
User: "Reasoned Insanity"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 29 Sep 2004 11:46:08 PM
And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much the
pro-abortionists really care about women. A think a fitting motto for a
proabortionist yahoo like him would be "Women, you ***** em, we'll screw em".
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:sXL6d.5352$EK4.1513@news01.roc.ny...

papa jack wrote:

Testimony of Ms. Michaelene Jenkins, Executive Director Life Resource
Network's Women's Task Force

Before the Subcommittee on Science, Technology, and Space
U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation
March 3, 2004

http://www.womendeservebetter.com/press/testimony3-4mj.htm
________________________________________________________________________
[...]

"My experience at the abortion clinic was painful and humiliating.


Why didn't she just leave?

Although the young women awaiting their abortions were anxious and
tearful, the clinic staff was cold and aloof.


Why didn't she just leave?

I met briefly with a "counselor" who characterized my 8-week pregnancy
as a "couple of cells" and the "products of conception."


Was she wrong?

"When the abortion provider entered my procedure room, I began to have
second thoughts and asked her assistant if I could have a few minutes.
The doctor yelled "shut her up" and started the suction machine.


Why didn't she just leave?

It was not an empowering experience. I felt violated and betrayed.


Why didn't she just leave?

"The promised solution -- really the only option pre-
sented to me -- wasn't the end of my nightmare, but only the
beginning. I was completely unprepared for the emotional fallout after
the abortion.


No one's fault but her own.
Why didn't she just leave?

"I soon found myself in a cycle of self-destructive behavior that
included an eating disorder. Desperate for a fresh start, I broke up with
my boyfriend, quit
my job, and moved from Minnesota to Hawaii.


No one's fault but her own.
Why didn't she just leave?

"While living in Hawaii I educated myself about fetal development. I
was shocked to learn that an 8-week embryo is at least a half-inch long
with a head, arms and legs, a beating heart and functioning brain. I sank
even deeper into depression and self-hatred as I realized I had destroyed
my own child. This continued for the next few years until I sought
assistance when suicidal thoughts began to overwhelm me.


No one's fault but her own.
Why didn't she just leave?

"With the help of counselors and supportive friends the time of
self-condemnation and self-punishment came to an end allowing me to enter
into a healthy grieving process. In addition to grieving the loss of my
child, I slowly became aware of the impact my choice had on other members
of my family.


Her problem.

"Although I have repeatedly assured my parents that I never doubted
their support and assistance if I had decided to carry the baby to term,
they continue to believe that somehow they failed me and that they are
partly responsible for the death of their grandchild.


Their problem

When I first told my sister she cried and said she wished she didn't
know about the niece or nephew that is missing.


Her problem.

My oldest son found out quite young and still struggles with the loss
of a sibling and the reality that his mother was the cause of the loss.


His problem.
Why didn't she just leave?

My youngest son who is 8 hasn't been told yet, and it breaks my heart
that he will have to deal with a loss that I inflicted.


Why didn't she just leave?
Why doesn't she just stop talking about it to the kids like it's a life
altering tragedy for them?

"In addition to coping with the fallout the abortion has caused in my
family there are still times that are painful for me. After all, healing
doesn't mean forgetting. Mother's Day is particularly difficult.


Her problem.
Why didn't she just leave?

As motherhood is celebrated I experience great joy in regard to my
living children at the same time aching for the child that I destroyed.


Her problem.

"At one time I thought that my abortion experience was unique, but over
the years I have found that it is not. There is mounting evidence -- both
anecdotal and in published studies-that


some

women


may

suffer emotionally after an abortion. But since abortion is held
hostage to politics and special interest groups there are too few
reliable studies that have been done. Abortion continues to be an
unchecked and unstudied experiment on American women.


Then she should study it.

"It has been nineteen years since my abortion. Although much has
changed in nineteen years, not much has changed for women experiencing an
untimely pregnancy. They still face unsupportive partners and employers
and are often unaware of the community resources available to them. They
undergo abortion not so much out of choice, but out of desperation or as
a last resort.


Their problem.

"Although some women are able to move on from their abortion, many are
left with physical or emotional scars that negatively affect their lives
for years and sometimes decades.


Their problem.

"In all the noise surrounding abortion, women are often forgotten. It
is time to stop the noise and start listening to women who have
experienced abor-
tion. I am grateful that you have taken the time to listen and I urge
you to continue to take steps to understand the impact abortion has on
women."
________________________________________________________________________

Papa Jack comments:
I'm sure there are many women who have abortions with
only a minimum of physical or emotional difficulties.
However, more and more, we're hearing from women like
Michaelene Jenkins who take years to cope with the
damage done.


Not our problem.

I particularly noted her description of the of the spreading ring of
emotional pain felt by her parents,
sister, and surviving children.


She makes it sound like she has a breakdown whenever the topic is brought
up. Of course it affects those around her. If she would just learn to deal
with the reality SHE created for herself, they'd all be much better off.

Like a pebble thrown in a pond, the emotional disturbance spreads out to
others close to the woman involved.


Like sand through the hourglass...

I know that won't
seem important to those who follow the "Me," "Me," "Me," "Me," "Me,"
"Me," philosophy of life


Like you you you?

-- but, I still
believe most of us do care how our actions impact on
our families and friends.


Sure, that's why those that don't want an abortion don't have to get one.
Before the procedure starts, they can just leave. Why didn't she just
leave?

"Women Deserve Better!"


They deserve better than the freedom to make their own decisions?
Yeah, ok.

.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 29 Sep 2004 11:59:29 PM
Reasoned Insanity <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much the
pro-abortionists really care about women.

As opposed to pro-liars who would rather see women dead than allowed
abortions?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Reasoned Insanity"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 12:38:40 AM
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cjg3rh$jgh$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Reasoned Insanity <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much the
pro-abortionists really care about women.


As opposed to pro-liars who would rather see women dead than allowed
abortions?

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

Right....Allegations without proven examples. Before now I didn't know
credibility could go into the negatives, but you sure have accomplished it
Ray. Maybe we should nickname you Dan.
.
User: "Chris"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 01 Oct 2004 07:57:49 PM
"Reasoned Insanity" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EZM6d.26573$7k.12819@okepread05...


"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cjg3rh$jgh$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Reasoned Insanity <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much

the

pro-abortionists really care about women.


As opposed to pro-liars who would rather see women dead than allowed
abortions?

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net



Right....Allegations without proven examples. Before now I didn't know
credibility could go into the negatives, but you sure have accomplished it
Ray. Maybe we should nickname you Dan.

I think that he'd "Rather" you not. :) (couldn't resist)



.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 09:26:54 PM
Reasoned Insanity <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:


"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cjg3rh$jgh$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Reasoned Insanity <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much the
pro-abortionists really care about women.


As opposed to pro-liars who would rather see women dead than allowed
abortions?


Right....Allegations without proven examples.

You want abortion to be illegal.
That would result in women dying.
Do you care?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Frank Dwyer"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 02:26:18 PM
Reasoned Insanity wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cjg3rh$jgh$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Reasoned Insanity <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much the
pro-abortionists really care about women.


As opposed to pro-liars who would rather see women dead than allowed
abortions?

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net




Right....Allegations without proven examples.

Like "how much the pro-abortionists really care about women"?

Before now I didn't know
credibility could go into the negatives, but you sure have accomplished it
Ray. Maybe we should nickname you Dan.

.
User: "Reasoned Insanity"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 02:31:38 PM
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:u5Z6d.7946$FI4.1587@news02.roc.ny...

Reasoned Insanity wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cjg3rh$jgh$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Reasoned Insanity <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much
the
pro-abortionists really care about women.


As opposed to pro-liars who would rather see women dead than allowed
abortions?

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net




Right....Allegations without proven examples.


Like "how much the pro-abortionists really care about women"?

Are you a complete dumbass or are you simply incredibly stupid and want to
prove it to the world? The proven example is in your own writing. You have
provided all the evidence against your own self. You don't need my help to
appear stupid.


Before now I didn't know credibility could go into the negatives, but you
sure have accomplished it Ray. Maybe we should nickname you Dan.


.
User: "Frank Dwyer"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 07:15:41 PM
Reasoned Insanity wrote:

"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:u5Z6d.7946$FI4.1587@news02.roc.ny...

Reasoned Insanity wrote:


"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:cjg3rh$jgh$1@bolt.sonic.net...


Reasoned Insanity <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:


And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much
the
pro-abortionists really care about women.


As opposed to pro-liars who would rather see women dead than allowed
abortions?

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net




Right....Allegations without proven examples.


Like "how much the pro-abortionists really care about women"?



Are you a complete dumbass or are you simply incredibly stupid and want to
prove it to the world? The proven example is in your own writing. You have
provided all the evidence against your own self. You don't need my help to
appear stupid.

*yawn*
You've exposed your agenda. Have a nice day.
.





User: "Frank Dwyer"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 02:25:07 PM
Reasoned Insanity wrote:

And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much the
pro-abortionists really care about women.

Unlike you, I care about them enough to let them make their own
decisions, no matter the consequences. If the consequences are bad for
them, then they still get to decide for themselves how best to handle it.
Strange that you would think allowing adults to make their own decisions
is somehow wrong or uncaring. It makes me wonder if you even are one.

A think a fitting motto for a
proabortionist yahoo like him would be "Women, you ***** em, we'll screw em".

Have the day off from school, did you?

"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:sXL6d.5352$EK4.1513@news01.roc.ny...

papa jack wrote:

Testimony of Ms. Michaelene Jenkins, Executive Director Life Resource
Network's Women's Task Force

Before the Subcommittee on Science, Technology, and Space
U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation
March 3, 2004

http://www.womendeservebetter.com/press/testimony3-4mj.htm
________________________________________________________________________
[...]

"My experience at the abortion clinic was painful and humiliating.


Why didn't she just leave?


Although the young women awaiting their abortions were anxious and
tearful, the clinic staff was cold and aloof.


Why didn't she just leave?


I met briefly with a "counselor" who characterized my 8-week pregnancy
as a "couple of cells" and the "products of conception."


Was she wrong?


"When the abortion provider entered my procedure room, I began to have
second thoughts and asked her assistant if I could have a few minutes.
The doctor yelled "shut her up" and started the suction machine.


Why didn't she just leave?


It was not an empowering experience. I felt violated and betrayed.


Why didn't she just leave?


"The promised solution -- really the only option pre-
sented to me -- wasn't the end of my nightmare, but only the
beginning. I was completely unprepared for the emotional fallout after
the abortion.


No one's fault but her own.
Why didn't she just leave?


"I soon found myself in a cycle of self-destructive behavior that
included an eating disorder. Desperate for a fresh start, I broke up with
my boyfriend, quit
my job, and moved from Minnesota to Hawaii.


No one's fault but her own.
Why didn't she just leave?


"While living in Hawaii I educated myself about fetal development. I
was shocked to learn that an 8-week embryo is at least a half-inch long
with a head, arms and legs, a beating heart and functioning brain. I sank
even deeper into depression and self-hatred as I realized I had destroyed
my own child. This continued for the next few years until I sought
assistance when suicidal thoughts began to overwhelm me.


No one's fault but her own.
Why didn't she just leave?


"With the help of counselors and supportive friends the time of
self-condemnation and self-punishment came to an end allowing me to enter
into a healthy grieving process. In addition to grieving the loss of my
child, I slowly became aware of the impact my choice had on other members
of my family.


Her problem.


"Although I have repeatedly assured my parents that I never doubted
their support and assistance if I had decided to carry the baby to term,
they continue to believe that somehow they failed me and that they are
partly responsible for the death of their grandchild.


Their problem


When I first told my sister she cried and said she wished she didn't
know about the niece or nephew that is missing.


Her problem.


My oldest son found out quite young and still struggles with the loss
of a sibling and the reality that his mother was the cause of the loss.


His problem.
Why didn't she just leave?


My youngest son who is 8 hasn't been told yet, and it breaks my heart
that he will have to deal with a loss that I inflicted.


Why didn't she just leave?
Why doesn't she just stop talking about it to the kids like it's a life
altering tragedy for them?


"In addition to coping with the fallout the abortion has caused in my
family there are still times that are painful for me. After all, healing
doesn't mean forgetting. Mother's Day is particularly difficult.


Her problem.
Why didn't she just leave?


As motherhood is celebrated I experience great joy in regard to my
living children at the same time aching for the child that I destroyed.


Her problem.


"At one time I thought that my abortion experience was unique, but over
the years I have found that it is not. There is mounting evidence -- both
anecdotal and in published studies-that


some


women


may


suffer emotionally after an abortion. But since abortion is held
hostage to politics and special interest groups there are too few
reliable studies that have been done. Abortion continues to be an
unchecked and unstudied experiment on American women.


Then she should study it.


"It has been nineteen years since my abortion. Although much has
changed in nineteen years, not much has changed for women experiencing an
untimely pregnancy. They still face unsupportive partners and employers
and are often unaware of the community resources available to them. They
undergo abortion not so much out of choice, but out of desperation or as
a last resort.


Their problem.


"Although some women are able to move on from their abortion, many are
left with physical or emotional scars that negatively affect their lives
for years and sometimes decades.


Their problem.


"In all the noise surrounding abortion, women are often forgotten. It
is time to stop the noise and start listening to women who have
experienced abor-
tion. I am grateful that you have taken the time to listen and I urge
you to continue to take steps to understand the impact abortion has on
women."
________________________________________________________________________

Papa Jack comments:
I'm sure there are many women who have abortions with
only a minimum of physical or emotional difficulties.
However, more and more, we're hearing from women like
Michaelene Jenkins who take years to cope with the
damage done.


Not our problem.


I particularly noted her description of the of the spreading ring of
emotional pain felt by her parents,
sister, and surviving children.


She makes it sound like she has a breakdown whenever the topic is brought
up. Of course it affects those around her. If she would just learn to deal
with the reality SHE created for herself, they'd all be much better off.


Like a pebble thrown in a pond, the emotional disturbance spreads out to
others close to the woman involved.


Like sand through the hourglass...


I know that won't
seem important to those who follow the "Me," "Me," "Me," "Me," "Me,"
"Me," philosophy of life


Like you you you?


-- but, I still
believe most of us do care how our actions impact on
our families and friends.


Sure, that's why those that don't want an abortion don't have to get one.
Before the procedure starts, they can just leave. Why didn't she just
leave?


"Women Deserve Better!"


They deserve better than the freedom to make their own decisions?
Yeah, ok.




.
User: "Reasoned Insanity"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 02:43:04 PM
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:n4Z6d.7945$FI4.1742@news02.roc.ny...

Reasoned Insanity wrote:

And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much the
pro-abortionists really care about women.


Unlike you, I care about them enough to let them make their own decisions,
no matter the consequences. If the consequences are bad for them, then
they still get to decide for themselves how best to handle it.

Strange that you would think allowing adults to make their own decisions

So are you saying that a pregnant woman that is not an adult does not have
the right to make her own decisions? You don't think much before you speak
do you? When you are an idiot, at least you are consistant about it.

is somehow wrong or uncaring. It makes me wonder if you even are one.

You obviously are not. I graduated years ago.
.
User: "Frank Dwyer"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 07:14:55 PM
Reasoned Insanity wrote:

"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:n4Z6d.7945$FI4.1742@news02.roc.ny...

Reasoned Insanity wrote:


And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much the
pro-abortionists really care about women.


Unlike you, I care about them enough to let them make their own decisions,
no matter the consequences. If the consequences are bad for them, then
they still get to decide for themselves how best to handle it.

Strange that you would think allowing adults to make their own decisions



So are you saying that a pregnant woman that is not an adult does not have
the right to make her own decisions? You don't think much before you speak
do you? When you are an idiot, at least you are consistant about it.

A pregnant woman that is not an adult? Considering that's an
impossibility, I'd say you're the idiot.

is somehow wrong or uncaring. It makes me wonder if you even are one.



You obviously are not. I graduated years ago.

To what?
.
User: "Reasoned Insanity"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 08:07:15 PM
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:3k17d.7963$7L4.7847@news02.roc.ny...

Reasoned Insanity wrote:

"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:n4Z6d.7945$FI4.1742@news02.roc.ny...

Reasoned Insanity wrote:


And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much
the pro-abortionists really care about women.


Unlike you, I care about them enough to let them make their own
decisions, no matter the consequences. If the consequences are bad for
them, then they still get to decide for themselves how best to handle it.

Strange that you would think allowing adults to make their own decisions



So are you saying that a pregnant woman that is not an adult does not
have the right to make her own decisions? You don't think much before you
speak do you? When you are an idiot, at least you are consistant about
it.


A pregnant woman that is not an adult? Considering that's an
impossibility, I'd say you're the idiot.

So in your opinion, a 12 year old girl is a woman? Are you really a 12 year
old girl because the only people I'd know that agree with you are 12 years
old. You certainly act like it.


is somehow wrong or uncaring. It makes me wonder if you even are one.



You obviously are not. I graduated years ago.


To what?

More than you could ever hope to be.
.
User: "Frank Dwyer"

Title: Re: Senate Testimony on Abortion 30 Sep 2004 11:23:45 PM
Reasoned Insanity wrote:

"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:3k17d.7963$7L4.7847@news02.roc.ny...

Reasoned Insanity wrote:


"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:n4Z6d.7945$FI4.1742@news02.roc.ny...


Reasoned Insanity wrote:



And here in Frank Dwyer's reply we see a prime example about how much
the pro-abortionists really care about women.


Unlike you, I care about them enough to let them make their own
decisions, no matter the consequences. If the consequences are bad for
them, then they still get to decide for themselves how best to handle it.

Strange that you would think allowing adults to make their own decisions



So are you saying that a pregnant woman that is not an adult does not
have the right to make her own decisions? You don't think much before you
speak do you? When you are an idiot, at least you are consistant about
it.


A pregnant woman that is not an adult? Considering that's an
impossibility, I'd say you're the idiot.



So in your opinion, a 12 year old girl is a woman?

Read what you wrote again, Einstein. "A pregnant woman that is not an adult"
A pregnant woman that is not an adult is not a pregnant woman, she's
called a girl, or child, or teen.

Are you really a 12 year
old girl because the only people I'd know that agree with you are 12 years
old. You certainly act like it.

*yawn*

is somehow wrong or uncaring. It makes me wonder if you even are one.



You obviously are not. I graduated years ago.


To what?



More than you could ever hope to be.

An ignorant usenet troll? I'm impressed.
.








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