Science > Abortion > Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN,
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Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
The people, like Hines, who support Bush's slanders on John Kerry's war
service, are not just doing something dishonorable in the context of an
election.
They are also damaging the US military. Slander campaigns like this sink
into the culture and social practices of a country. This one will have its
affect on the comradeship that young troops and officers feel for each other
in the years ahead - always wondering who might turn one on another sometime
in the future, and for what reasons. Perhaps at the behest of weak corrupt
men trying to cut others down to their size. That's toxic.
Following is a Wall St Jl editorial by JIM RASSMANN, the Special Forces man
who's life was saved by Kerry in Vietnam.
Read on...
Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush
John Kerry saved my life. Now his heroism is being questioned.
BY JIM RASSMANN
Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT
I came to know Lt. John Kerry during the spring of 1969. He and his swift
boat crew assisted in inserting our Special Forces team and our Chinese Nung
soldiers into operational sites in the Cau Mau Peninsula of South Vietnam. I
worked with him on many operations and saw firsthand his leadership, courage
and decision-making ability under fire.
On March 13, 1969, John Kerry's courage and leadership saved my life.
While returning from a SEA LORDS operation along the Bay Hap River, a mine
detonated under another swift boat. Machine-gun fire erupted from both banks
of the river, and a second explosion followed moments later. The second
blast blew me off John's swift boat, PCF-94, throwing me into the river.
Fearing that the other boats would run me over, I swam to the bottom of the
river and stayed there as long as I could hold my breath.
When I surfaced, all the swift boats had left, and I was alone taking fire
from both banks. To avoid the incoming fire, I repeatedly swam under water
as long as I could hold my breath, attempting to make it to the north bank
of the river. I thought I would die right there. The odds were against me
avoiding the incoming fire and, even if I made it out of the river, I
thought I'd be captured and executed. Kerry must have seen me in the water
and directed his driver, Del Sandusky, to turn the boat around. Kerry's boat
ran up to me in the water, bow on, and I was able to climb up a cargo net to
the lip of the deck. But, because I was nearly upside down, I couldn't make
it over the edge of the deck. This left me hanging out in the open, a
perfect target. John, already wounded by the explosion that threw me off his
boat, came out onto the bow, exposing himself to the fire directed at us
from the jungle, and pulled me aboard.
For his actions that day, I recommended John for the Silver Star, our
country's third highest award for bravery under fire. I learned only this
past January that the Navy awarded John the Bronze Star with Combat V for
his valor. The citation for this award, signed by the Commander of U.S.
Naval Forces, Vietnam, Vice Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, read, "Lieutenant (junior
grade) Kerry's calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under
fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval
Service." To this day I am grateful to John Kerry for saving my life. And to
this day I still believe that he deserved the Silver Star for his courage.
It has been many years since I served in Vietnam. I returned home, got
married, and spent many years as a deputy sheriff for Los Angeles County. I
retired in 1989 as a lieutenant. It has been a long time since I left
Vietnam, but I think often of the men who did not come home with us.
I am neither a politician nor an organizer. I am a retired police officer
with a passion for orchids. Until January of this year, the only public
presentations I made were about my orchid hobby. But in this presidential
election, I had to speak out; I had to tell the American people about John
Kerry, about his wisdom and courage, about his vision and leadership. I
would trust John Kerry with my life, and I would entrust John Kerry with the
well-being of our country.
Nobody asked me to join John's campaign. Why would they? I am a Republican,
and for more than 30 years I have largely voted for Republicans. I
volunteered for his campaign because I have seen John Kerry in the worst of
conditions. I know his character. I've witnessed his bravery and leadership
under fire. And I truly know he will be a great commander in chief.
Now, 35 years after the fact, some Republican-financed Swift Boat Veterans
for Bush are suddenly lying about John Kerry's service in Vietnam; they are
calling him a traitor because he spoke out against the Nixon
administration's failed policies in Vietnam. Some of these
Republican-sponsored veterans are the same ones who spoke out against John
at the behest of the Nixon administration in 1971. But this time their
attacks are more vicious, their lies cut deep and are directed not just at
John Kerry, but at me and each of his crewmates as well. This hate-filled ad
asserts that I was not under fire; it questions my words and Navy records.
This smear campaign has been launched by people without decency, people who
don't understand the bond of those who serve in combat.
As John McCain noted, the television ad aired by these veterans is
"dishonest and dishonorable." Sen. McCain called on President Bush to
condemn the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush ad. Regrettably, the president has
ignored Sen. McCain's advice.
Does this strategy of attacking combat Vietnam veterans sound familiar? In
2000, a similar Republican smear campaign was launched against Sen. McCain.
In fact, the very same communications group, Spaeth Communications, that
placed ads against John McCain in 2000 is involved in these vicious attacks
against John Kerry. Texas Republican donors with close ties to George W.
Bush and Karl Rove crafted this "dishonest and dishonorable" ad. Their new
charges are false; their stories are fabricated, made up by people who did
not serve with Kerry in Vietnam. They insult and defame all of us who served
in Vietnam.
But when the noise and fog of their distortions and lies have cleared, a man
who volunteered to serve his country, a man who showed up for duty when his
country called, a man to whom the United States Navy awarded a Silver Star,
a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, will stand tall and proud.
Ultimately, the American people will judge these Swift Boat Veterans for
Bush and their accusations. Americans are tired of smear campaigns against
those who volunteered to wear the uniform. Swift Boat Veterans for Bush
should hang their heads in shame.
Mr. Rassmann, a retired lieutenant with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's
Department, served with the U.S. Army 5th Special Forces Group in Vietnam
1968-69.
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
27 Aug 2004 03:52:14 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:13:36 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Fred J. McCall wrote:
The point of the 'pop-up shill' is to stifle real political discussion
based on issues and facts. It works the same way as 'negative
advertising'. Negative advertising doesn't usually get YOU any votes,
but it may cost the other fellow a few.
Of course, Kerry's past record of aiding the enemy is a
real subject for legitimate political discussion. Bush's
perfectly ordinary record in the national guard is a non-issue.
Kerry's actual record in Vietnam would be a non-issue if
he had not lied about it.
What "past record of aiding the enemy"? He fought in an un-necessary
war, took fire, saw what we were doing to hundreds of thousands of
non-combatants who didn't want us in their own country, and when he
came back campaigned against it.
Bush copped out of Vietnam because strings were pulled to get him into
the Texas sir national gurd, from which he went AWOL.
KErry hasn't lied about anything. Bush, on the other hand.....
Doug McDonald
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
27 Aug 2004 07:37:15 PM |
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<snip>
KErry hasn't lied about anything. Bush, on the other hand.....
26 Aug, Kerry said:
<quote>
A revved up Kerry addressed Vietnam first retorting, "All the guys who were
with me on my boat absolutely document what I've said...you're now hearing
about the lie. I am absolutely telling you the God's honest truth with
regard to what happened over there."
</quote>
Concidentally, Steve Gardner, a SBVT, was featured on a new ad, released
the same dat, telling us in no uncertain terms that Kerry is FOS:
http://www.swiftvets.com
Now whether or not you buy Kerry's Xmas in Cambodia fantasies, you cannot
possible deny that he's lying his ***** off in his whpper about "All the guys
who
were with me on my boat.".
You were saying?
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| User: "Doug McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
27 Aug 2004 04:02:08 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Doug McDonald
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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27 Aug 2004 04:52:14 PM |
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"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not.
You are a ***** liar.
Example: O'Neil told Nixon in 1971 that he gone into Cambodia on a
swiftboat - it's on tape. It's known those boats did cross-border missions.
You Bush people are sick chronic liars with no honor.
And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Doug McDonald
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| User: "Doug McDonald" |
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27 Aug 2004 07:27:05 PM |
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Bill Case wrote:
"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not.
You are a ***** liar.
No, I tell the truth. He said in Congressional testimony
that he was in Cambodia on a date on which he says in
his current book that he was somewhere or other murkily
close to Cambodia. And accurate testimony puts him
dozens of miles away from Cambodia on that and nearby dates.
Doug McDonald
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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28 Aug 2004 10:46:09 AM |
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"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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Bill Case wrote:
"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not.
You are a ***** liar.
No, I tell the truth. He said in Congressional testimony
that he was in Cambodia on a date on which he says in
his current book that he was somewhere or other murkily
close to Cambodia. And accurate testimony puts him
dozens of miles away from Cambodia on that and nearby dates.
I think you're reading what somebody SAYS he said. People in this NG have
claimed he said he was there Xmas of '68 which was before he was in VN - why
would he purposely say that?
More important - why should we re-elect Bush when he was unwilling to go to
war for the country?. Why should Cheney be VP with his 5 deferments?
This slander stuff on Kerry is only to divert from real issues, like the
mess these fools have made of Iraq and why bin Laden is still out there,
free, inspiring more attacks.
As for swift boats in Cambodia, it was widely known they did missions across
the border - SEAL and SF insertions. O'Neil is on tape telling Nixon the HE
was in Cambodia, which catches him in yet another lie.
If you think Kerry lied about something significant, present PRIMARY source,
not swift liars ***** - those guys are already discredited by
investigative journalists.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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27 Aug 2004 04:16:25 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
Doug McDonald
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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27 Aug 2004 04:58:11 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
His source is that the swifty liars have it in a book. It's garbage.
People should take into account that Bushies are degenerate liars, and if
you vote for Bush, you're voting for a degenerated America.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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27 Aug 2004 05:09:52 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
His source is that the swifty liars have it in a book. It's garbage.
People should take into account that Bushies are degenerate liars, and if
you vote for Bush, you're voting for a degenerated America.
And there you go, liberals try to bully voters and attack people who don't
vote their way.
Perfect example of how liberals don't truly believe in freedom to choose.
Oh by the way Bill, funny how you left the debate on your accusations and
claims about me once I questioned you to back them up.
45157 <---what would that be?
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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27 Aug 2004 06:53:10 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
His source is that the swifty liars have it in a book. It's garbage.
People should take into account that Bushies are degenerate liars, and
if
you vote for Bush, you're voting for a degenerated America.
And there you go, liberals try to bully voters and attack people who don't
vote their way.
When people lie blatantly they should not be allowed to get away with it.
Perfect example of how liberals don't truly believe in freedom to choose.
Oh by the way Bill, funny how you left the debate on your accusations and
claims about me once I questioned you to back them up.
45157 <---what would that be?
The only "debate" that was taking place was in your mind. You don't know
enough about anything to debate the neighborhood cat.
As I've said before, get help, you won't find any on the internet.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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27 Aug 2004 07:04:31 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
His source is that the swifty liars have it in a book. It's garbage.
People should take into account that Bushies are degenerate liars, and
if
you vote for Bush, you're voting for a degenerated America.
And there you go, liberals try to bully voters and attack people who
don't
vote their way.
When people lie blatantly they should not be allowed to get away with it.
Where did I lie?
Perfect example of how liberals don't truly believe in freedom to choose.
Oh by the way Bill, funny how you left the debate on your accusations and
claims about me once I questioned you to back them up.
45157 <---what would that be?
The only "debate" that was taking place was in your mind.
Ummm...Mr. Military leadership expert..I asked you a question above.
45157 <--What is it?
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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27 Aug 2004 07:08:09 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
His source is that the swifty liars have it in a book. It's garbage.
People should take into account that Bushies are degenerate liars,
and
if
you vote for Bush, you're voting for a degenerated America.
And there you go, liberals try to bully voters and attack people who
don't
vote their way.
When people lie blatantly they should not be allowed to get away with
it.
Where did I lie?
Perfect example of how liberals don't truly believe in freedom to
choose.
Oh by the way Bill, funny how you left the debate on your accusations
and
claims about me once I questioned you to back them up.
45157 <---what would that be?
The only "debate" that was taking place was in your mind.
Ummm...Mr. Military leadership expert..I asked you a question above.
45157 <--What is it?
zx10001010101010
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| User: "Osprey" |
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27 Aug 2004 07:23:40 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
His source is that the swifty liars have it in a book. It's garbage.
People should take into account that Bushies are degenerate liars,
and
if
you vote for Bush, you're voting for a degenerated America.
And there you go, liberals try to bully voters and attack people who
don't
vote their way.
When people lie blatantly they should not be allowed to get away with
it.
Where did I lie?
Perfect example of how liberals don't truly believe in freedom to
choose.
Oh by the way Bill, funny how you left the debate on your accusations
and
claims about me once I questioned you to back them up.
45157 <---what would that be?
The only "debate" that was taking place was in your mind.
Ummm...Mr. Military leadership expert..I asked you a question above.
45157 <--What is it?
zx10001010101010
So you know absolutley nothing about the military and yet you want to judge
others.
Now we see you know absolutely nothing about the military, you can't even
recognize what 45157 is
How about 45172?
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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28 Aug 2004 08:41:09 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind
....
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
His source is that the swifty liars have it in a book. It's
garbage.
People should take into account that Bushies are degenerate liars,
and
if
you vote for Bush, you're voting for a degenerated America.
And there you go, liberals try to bully voters and attack people who
don't
vote their way.
When people lie blatantly they should not be allowed to get away with
it.
Where did I lie?
Perfect example of how liberals don't truly believe in freedom to
choose.
Oh by the way Bill, funny how you left the debate on your
accusations
and
claims about me once I questioned you to back them up.
45157 <---what would that be?
The only "debate" that was taking place was in your mind.
Ummm...Mr. Military leadership expert..I asked you a question above.
45157 <--What is it?
zx10001010101010
So you know absolutley nothing about the military and yet you want to
judge
others.
Now we see you know absolutely nothing about the military, you can't even
recognize what 45157 is
How about 45172?
Get help.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help. You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet. Maybe your VA disability (if that is true) will
pay for it.
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28 Aug 2004 12:14:37 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind
...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
His source is that the swifty liars have it in a book. It's
garbage.
People should take into account that Bushies are degenerate
liars,
and
if
you vote for Bush, you're voting for a degenerated America.
And there you go, liberals try to bully voters and attack people
who
don't
vote their way.
When people lie blatantly they should not be allowed to get away
with
it.
Where did I lie?
Perfect example of how liberals don't truly believe in freedom to
choose.
Oh by the way Bill, funny how you left the debate on your
accusations
and
claims about me once I questioned you to back them up.
45157 <---what would that be?
The only "debate" that was taking place was in your mind.
Ummm...Mr. Military leadership expert..I asked you a question above.
45157 <--What is it?
zx10001010101010
So you know absolutley nothing about the military and yet you want to
judge
others.
Now we see you know absolutely nothing about the military, you can't even
recognize what 45157 is
How about 45172?
Get help.
No, you get help moron.
You sat here the other day and lectured me because you thought I couldn't
recognize an MOS, and then you lecture on how you thought I knew nothing
about leadership.
Yet, here you are, and you can't recognize an AFSC nor can you explain any
of your other claims.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
You don't even know the difference between security guard and correction
officer.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help. You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet. Maybe your VA disability (if that is true) will
pay for it.
Have a nice day liar.
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
29 Aug 2004 04:12:01 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<6aWdnSLWLOIUIa3cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>...
"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind
...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
His source is that the swifty liars have it in a book. It's
garbage.
People should take into account that Bushies are degenerate
liars,
and
if
you vote for Bush, you're voting for a degenerated America.
And there you go, liberals try to bully voters and attack people
who
don't
vote their way.
When people lie blatantly they should not be allowed to get away
with
it.
Where did I lie?
Perfect example of how liberals don't truly believe in freedom to
choose.
Oh by the way Bill, funny how you left the debate on your
accusations
and
claims about me once I questioned you to back them up.
45157 <---what would that be?
The only "debate" that was taking place was in your mind.
Ummm...Mr. Military leadership expert..I asked you a question above.
45157 <--What is it?
zx10001010101010
So you know absolutley nothing about the military and yet you want to
judge
others.
Now we see you know absolutely nothing about the military, you can't even
recognize what 45157 is
How about 45172?
Get help.
No, you get help moron.
You sat here the other day and lectured me because you thought I couldn't
recognize an MOS, and then you lecture on how you thought I knew nothing
about leadership.
Yet, here you are, and you can't recognize an AFSC nor can you explain any
of your other claims.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
You don't even know the difference between security guard and correction
officer.
Apparently, neither do you.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help. You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet. Maybe your VA disability (if that is true) will
pay for it.
Have a nice day liar.
Ok, so your VA disability WON'T pay for it...
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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29 Aug 2004 10:42:40 AM |
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Get help.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help. You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet. Maybe your VA disability (if that is true) will
pay for it.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
29 Aug 2004 01:23:57 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Get help.
Don't need it.
You do though. You preached about knowing things about the military, and you
didn't know anything yourself.
Shame on you.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
I wasn't asked anything about the US Army's MOS and I wasn't refering to
those particular numbers. This has been explained to you; however, it
doesn't satisfy you because you need something else to ***** about.
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
I don't claim to be a security guard, I claim to be a correctional officer.
You don't know the difference.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help.
Here is what you should do...get a life.
You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet. Maybe your VA disability (if that is true) will
pay for it.
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
29 Aug 2004 05:32:46 PM |
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Get help.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help. You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet. Maybe your VA disability (if that is true) will
pay for it.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
29 Aug 2004 10:20:17 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<iQsYc.2014$w%6.1779@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
Get help.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You didn't recognize a basic AFSC
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
You don't know the difference between a security guard and a correctional officer.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
Ask me tomorrow how much I care.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help. You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet. Maybe your VA disability (if that is true) will
pay for it.
Here's what you should do - get a life.
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
29 Aug 2004 10:47:42 PM |
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Get help.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help. You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet. Maybe your VA disability (if that is true) will
pay for it.
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| User: "somewriter" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
30 Aug 2004 03:42:16 AM |
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On 29 Aug 2004 20:20:17 -0700, (osprey) wrote:
"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<iQsYc.2014$w%6.1779@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
Get help.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You didn't recognize a basic AFSC
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
You don't know the difference between a security guard and a correctional officer.
Both are professions people choose to work.
Unfortunately, you have the work ethic of a a typical lazy *****.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
Ask me tomorrow how much I care.
That also perhaps extends to real life.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help. You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet.
Actually one learns a lot, even heals, searching on the net. What he
is searching for, I have no clue. But to an extent all who posts here
is looking for something -- even if it's to blow off steam.
[...]
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
30 Aug 2004 12:39:00 PM |
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"somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
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On 29 Aug 2004 20:20:17 -0700, (osprey) wrote:
"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<iQsYc.2014$w%6.1779@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
Get help.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You didn't recognize a basic AFSC
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment
and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
You don't know the difference between a security guard and a correctional
officer.
Both are professions people choose to work.
Unfortunately, you have the work ethic of a a typical lazy *****.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
Ask me tomorrow how much I care.
That also perhaps extends to real life.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help. You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet.
Actually one learns a lot, even heals, searching on the net. What he
is searching for, I have no clue. But to an extent all who posts here
is looking for something -- even if it's to blow off steam.
Heal your brain.
You're answering lines from two different people in ur reply.
[...]
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| User: "somewriter" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
30 Aug 2004 09:27:14 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:39:00 GMT, "Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
"somewriter" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
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On 29 Aug 2004 20:20:17 -0700, (osprey) wrote:
"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<iQsYc.2014$w%6.1779@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
Get help.
The stuff you post shows little knowledge about anything.
From a previous post, you didn't even recognize the US Army's MOS
designation for basic infantry - 11Bravo.
You didn't recognize a basic AFSC
You claim to be a security guard like it's some great accomplishment
and
you're an embarrassment for anybody who actually is.
You don't know the difference between a security guard and a correctional
officer.
Both are professions people choose to work.
Unfortunately, you have the work ethic of a a typical lazy *****.
No one in the groups you post to show any respect for you.
Ask me tomorrow how much I care.
That also perhaps extends to real life.
And you go on and on with this *****.
Here's what you should do - get help. You won't find the answer to your
problems on the internet.
Actually one learns a lot, even heals, searching on the net. What he
is searching for, I have no clue. But to an extent all who posts here
is looking for something -- even if it's to blow off steam.
Heal your brain.
You're answering lines from two different people in ur reply.
That was my intention.
Use your brain.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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27 Aug 2004 05:48:49 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:09:52 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Bill Case" <Billd548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:559vi05rohrl4aveg0f91kc0dql8mb721m@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
His source is that the swifty liars have it in a book. It's garbage.
People should take into account that Bushies are degenerate liars, and if
you vote for Bush, you're voting for a degenerated America.
And there you go, liberals try to bully voters and attack people who don't
vote their way.
Perfect example of how liberals don't truly believe in freedom to choose.
Oh by the way Bill, funny how you left the debate on your accusations and
claims about me once I questioned you to back them up.
45157 <---what would that be?
I'm guessing it's your IQ and your height in centimetres. That makes
you 5'2".
---
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful,
and so are we. They never stop thinking about
new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we."
President George W. Bush.
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| User: "Doug McDonald" |
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27 Aug 2004 07:24:38 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
Source 1: The Congressional record
Source 2: his current official biography book
you can't get any better than that!
Face it, he is a liar.
Doug McDonald
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
27 Aug 2004 10:45:04 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:24:38 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:02:08 -0500, Doug McDonald
<mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
KErry hasn't lied about anything.
Among innumerable other lies, he said he was in Cambodia
on a date when he was not. And he said it repeatedly,
over and over, and said it was "seared, SEARED" into his mind ...
and now admits that all that was a lie. He admits it.
Source? Evidence?
Source 1: The Congressional record
Where?
Source 2: his current official biography book
Where?
you can't get any better than that!
Obviously you can.
Face it, he is a liar.
At the moment itt looks as though you are - otherwise you would have
given me references I could have looked up.
Doug McDonald
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| User: "John Cartmell" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
27 Aug 2004 03:03:29 PM |
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In article <cgnqtq$ph7$1@news.freedom2surf.net>,
William Black <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote:
Are the people on both sides really stupid enough to think such an
unsophisticated approach is effective?
Yes.
The *really* frightening bit is that they may be right. ;-((
--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527
Qercus magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com www.acornuser.com
Qercus - a fusion of Acorn Publisher & Acorn User magazines
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| User: "Paul J Gans" |
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25 Aug 2004 09:30:36 PM |
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In alt.history.british Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:
mikesantos15@hotmail.com (commutator) wrote:
:Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<795bi01occ00t8i7bp5tgm0n81bidv9qej@4ax.com>...
:> (quibbler) wrote:
:>
:> :> Sure, Kerry didn't lie about our soldiers killing babies,
:> :
:> :Yeah, Kerry told the truth about that, primarily by quoting the
:> :testimony of others who admitted to such actions.
:>
:> Many of whom, it turns out, had never even been to Vietnam.
:
:So How's it a lie if Kerry didn't know they were lying.
Ask Michael Moore and the Democrats, who insist that Bush 'lied' about
WMDs in Iraq, despite the fact that EVERY source told him they
existed.
<snip>
Not true. Bot State Department and CIA memos indicated
strong doubts. They seem not to have had any attention
paid to them.
In the UK I believe that there were also segments of
the Intelligence Community with strong doubts who
also were not heard.
Others may verify or refute.
----- Paul J. Gans
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| User: "Fred J. McCall" |
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| Title: Re: Shame on the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush BY JIM RASSMAN, |
25 Aug 2004 09:57:03 PM |
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Paul J Gans <gans@panix.com> wrote:
:In alt.history.british Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote:
:>mikesantos15@hotmail.com (commutator) wrote:
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:>:Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<795bi01occ00t8i7bp5tgm0n81bidv9qej@4ax.com>...
:>:> (quibbler) wrote:
:>:>
:>:> :> Sure, Kerry didn't lie about our soldiers killing babies,
:>:> :
:>:> :Yeah, Kerry told the truth about that, primarily by quoting the
:>:> :testimony of others who admitted to such actions.
:>:>
:>:> Many of whom, it turns out, had never even been to Vietnam.
:>:
:>:So How's it a lie if Kerry didn't know they were lying.
:
:>Ask Michael Moore and the Democrats, who insist that Bush 'lied' about
:>WMDs in Iraq, despite the fact that EVERY source told him they
:>existed.
:
:<snip>
:
:Not true. Bot State Department and CIA memos indicated
:strong doubts. They seem not to have had any attention
:paid to them.
:
:In the UK I believe that there were also segments of
:the Intelligence Community with strong doubts who
:also were not heard.
:
:Others may verify or refute.
Oh, come now! Even Michael Moore has pretty much equated his 'Bush
lied' claim to Bush being told incorrectly by pretty much every
intelligence operation in the world. This sort of 'logic' applies, of
course, only when being used on those with whom Moore disagrees.
That 20/20 hindsight must be particularly easy for those who, like Dr
Gans, have their occular fixtures so firmly lodged in their
hindquarters.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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