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Singing a Sad Tune
By Britney Glaser
Concerned Women of America
August 11, 2003
Musicians are singing about the negative impacts of
abortion.
Music artists spanning the past 30 years in more than 20
genres of music have been singing a common song that may
quietly be influencing society. From rap to country,
heavy metal to folk, musicians confront a prevalent and
personal issue: the emotional and physical turmoil of
abortion.
The songs are not just from women who have experienced
abortion; a significant number are from men. The rap
song, Retrospect for Life by the group Common, says,
''Turnin' this woman's womb into a tomb/I'm sorry for
takin' your first breath, first step, first cry. From now
on I'ma use self-control instead of birth control, cause
$315 ain't worth your soul.'' The song Speculum, by the
heavy metal band Adema, is written by a band member whose
girlfriend had an abortion. He sings to the aborted baby,
''Know that I think of you, it's killing me. The guilt
has lasted years, I still cry…[T]he table's cold, it's
too late to make up for these mistakes.'' Ben Folds, from
the rock band Ben Folds Five, describes the day that his
girlfriend had an abortion. Folds' song, Brick, says,
''Can't you see, it's not me you're dying for. Now she's
feeling more alone, than she ever has before. … She's
alone, and I'm alone, now I know it.''
Women's songs come to the heart of the pain that they or
friends have undergone through this procedure.
Country/folk singer Julie Miller expresses the lingering
voice of the unborn in her song Dangerous Place. She
sings, ''Little ones to Him belong, you are weak and we
were wrong. Tell ourselves you don't exist but your
silent screams persist.'' Punk folk singer Ani DeFranco
describes the emotional and physical feelings of the
abortion procedure in Lost Woman Song: ''Through the
pinch, pull wincing/my smile unconvincing/on that sterile
battlefield that sees/only casualties/never heroes/my
heart hit absolute zero. … Your voice still sounds in
me.''
These gripping songs often involve graphic descriptions
of the abortion. The group Sex Pistols provides a vivid
depiction of the aborted baby in its song, Bodies:
''Dragged on a table in a factory…in a packet in a
lavatory…throbbing squirm gurgling bloody mess. I'm not a
discharge, I'm not a loss of protein, I'm not a throbbing
squirm. … I'm not an animal Mummy!'' Christian heavy
metal band Holy Soldier sings from the perspective of the
aborted baby: ''From a pail with open eyes, I see the man
that I despise. He looks at me and turns his back, and my
life fades. … Mommy I'm afraid.'' From rock musician
Graham Parker: ''Did they tear it out, with talons of
steel, and give you a shot, so that you wouldn't feel?
And wash it away as if it wasn't real?'' From Barren
Cross, a Christian heavy metal band: ''The operation is
over. I'm now in pieces in a garbage bag. Guilt will now
take over, 'cause where is the relief you thought you
had?''
What does this all mean? Why are these musicians singing
songs about abortion? David Reardon, director of the
Elliot Institute, which researches the impact of abortion
on women, men, siblings and society, concluded in his
fact sheet After Effects : ''Studies within the first few
weeks after the abortion have found that between 40 and
60 percent of women questioned report negative reactions.
Within 8 weeks after their abortions, 55% expressed
guilt, 44% complained of nervous disorders, 36% had
experienced sleep disturbances, 31% had regrets about
their decision, and 11% had been prescribed psychotropic
medicine by their family doctor.''
Our society may want to ignore the harm that abortion
does to men and women. But, for more than 30 years, they
have been speaking out through their songs. They
demonstrate that, in the words of entertainer Billy Joel,
music is ''an explosive expression of humanity.'' And, as
opera star George Jellinek said, ''The history of a
people is found in its songs.''
DCTalk, a Christian alternative band, perfectly summed up
what should be society's response to abortion in,
Children Can Live (Without It): ''A miracle of God, now
looked on as a choice. It's time for all His children to
unify a voice. With influence in numbers and power in
prayer, we must defend the children, and fight for what
is fair.''
''If music truly reflects the soul of a society, these
songs reveal the intensity and violence of abortion,''
said Wendy Wright, senior policy director for Concerned
Women for America.
Still, despite this evidence, both scientific and
cultural, Planned Parenthood's Web site says, ''Research
studies indicate that emotional responses to legally
induced abortions are largely positive.'' Note to Planned
Parenthood: Turn on your radio.
A list of the songs cited in this article, with links,
follows:
o Adema. ''Speculum.'' Azlyrics.com. 2000-2003. 28 July
2003.
o Bad Religion. ''Operation Rescue.'' Lyricsfreak.com.
28 July 2003.
o Barren Cross. '' Barrencross.com. 28 July 2003.
o Ben Folds Five. ''Brick.'' Lyricstime.com. 2003. 28
July 2003.
o Brotha Lynch Hung. ''Return of Da Baby Killa.''
Lyricsdepot.com. 2003. 28 July 2003.
o Common. ''Retrospect for Life.'' Maxlyrics.com. 2003.
28 July 2003.
o DC Talk. ''Children Can Live (Without It).''
Lyrics.jp. 28 July 2003.
o Holy Soldier. ''See No Evil.'' Gargaro.com. 1995-
2003. 28 July 2003.
o Miller, Julie. ''Dangerous Place.'' Nlntv.com. 2003.
28 July 2003.
o Parker, Graham. ''You Can't Be Too Strong.''
Lyricsdownload.com. 2001. 28 July 2003.
o Sex Pistols. ''Bodies.'' Geocities.com. 28 July 2003.
Source - http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=4431&department=CWA&categoryid=life
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''Studies within the first few weeks after the abortion
have found that between 40 and 60 percent of women
questioned report negative reactions. Within 8 weeks
after their abortions, 55% expressed guilt, 44%
complained of nervous disorders, 36% had experienced
sleep disturbances, 31% had regrets about their decision,
and 11% had been prescribed psychotropic medicine by
their family doctor.''
Frightening statistics.
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 by NYer
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From now on I’ma use self-control instead of birth
control, cause $315 ain’t worth your soul.
The pain continues ...
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 by NYer
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Still, despite this evidence, both scientific and
cultural, Planned Parenthood's Web site says, ''Research
studies indicate that emotional responses to legally
induced abortions are largely positive.''
Frightening statement.
STOPP International
http://www.all.org/stopp
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 by mdittmar
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Singing a Sad Tune
By Britney Glaser
Concerned Women of America
August 11, 2003
Musicians are singing about the negative impacts of
abortion.
Oh my! If they're writing pop songs about it then we must all become
anti-choice forthwith.
--
June G
# 364
http://www.jgdodworth.demon.co.uk
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In article <bikf8r$1vi$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
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Singing a Sad Tune
By Britney Glaser
Concerned Women of America
August 11, 2003
Musicians are singing about the negative impacts of
abortion.
Oh my! If they're writing pop songs about it then we must . . .
. . . write screenplays and make films that
promote life, not its destruction.
Actually, and this may come as a surprise to you, I couldn't agree more. I
think bringing up a child should be given a far more positive image than it
currently enjoys. Schoolchildren should be taught that babies are precious
and deserve to be raised in a loving, stable environment; that no child
should be abused; that no child should have to live on the streets and in
sewers as tens of millions are doing right now; that no child should starve
to death. The song lyrics you quoted do nothing to promote life and nothing
to help the existing children who are suffering daily: they are cheap tat
trying to attribute thoughts and feelings to aborted embryos and foetuses
which were never capable of thinking or feeling anything; and trying to make
women who have aborted feel guilty.
As to the ones who claim to have lifelong regret about aborting, I'm sick of
hearing about them. They're largely attention-seeking inadequates -
particularly the ones who tour the country telling everyone how they
suffered afterwards. They didn't want a child when they aborted and now
they want our sympathy - they are an insult to the millions of women, myself
included, who miscarried a planned and much-wanted pregnancy. They are an
even worse insult to parents who have lost a born child - again, myself
included - and that is something that you do grieve for the rest of your
life. It's time these women stopped feeling sorry for themselves and got on
with their lives as the rest of us had to do.
--
June G
# 364
http://www.jgdodworth.demon.co.uk
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31 Aug 2003 02:34:59 AM |
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In article <birodq$n93$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
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Singing a Sad Tune
By Britney Glaser
Concerned Women of America
August 11, 2003
Musicians are singing about the negative impacts of
abortion.
Oh my! If they're writing pop songs about it then we must . . .
. . . write screenplays and make films that
promote life, not its destruction.
Actually, and this may come as a surprise to you, I couldn't agree more. I
think bringing up a child should be given a far more positive image than it
currently enjoys. Schoolchildren should be taught that babies are precious
and deserve to be raised in a loving, stable environment; that no child
should be abused; that no child should have to live on the streets and in
sewers as tens of millions are doing right now; that no child should starve
to death. The song lyrics you quoted do nothing to promote life and nothing
to help the existing children who are suffering daily: they are cheap tat
trying to attribute thoughts and feelings to aborted embryos and foetuses
which were never capable of thinking or feeling anything; and trying to make
women who have aborted feel guilty.
As to the ones who claim to have lifelong regret about aborting, I'm sick of
hearing about them. They're largely attention-seeking inadequates -
particularly the ones who tour the country telling everyone how they
suffered afterwards. They didn't want a child when they aborted and now
they want our sympathy - they are an insult to the millions of women, myself
included, who miscarried a planned and much-wanted pregnancy. They are an
even worse insult to parents who have lost a born child - again, myself
included - and that is something that you do grieve for the rest of your
life. It's time these women stopped feeling sorry for themselves and got on
with their lives as the rest of us had to do.
Your opinion that a child does not feel pain prior to being
born is not based on fact; the court has already ruled that
a fetus is a person -- I posted the following in 1996:
Abortion laws in the U.S. and shortly thereafter in
other countries may be changing soon. The Supreme Court
in South Carolina ruled yesterday (July 16, 1996) that a
viable fetus is a person. This decision was reached by
a five-judge panel who ruled that a mother is
prosecutable if she endangers the life of her fetus by
drug abuse. The defendant in the case is Cornelia
Whitner who received an eight-year prison sentence
because her newborn tested positive for cocaine
- Jai Maharaj, July 18, 1996
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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31 Aug 2003 10:46:39 AM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
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In article <birodq$n93$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
[snip]
By Britney Glaser
Concerned Women of America
August 11, 2003
Musicians are singing about the negative impacts of
abortion.
Oh my! If they're writing pop songs about it then we must . . .
. . . write screenplays and make films that
promote life, not its destruction.
Actually, and this may come as a surprise to you, I couldn't agree more.
I
think bringing up a child should be given a far more positive image than
it
currently enjoys. Schoolchildren should be taught that babies are
precious
and deserve to be raised in a loving, stable environment; that no child
should be abused; that no child should have to live on the streets and
in
sewers as tens of millions are doing right now; that no child should
starve
to death. The song lyrics you quoted do nothing to promote life and
nothing
to help the existing children who are suffering daily: they are cheap
tat
trying to attribute thoughts and feelings to aborted embryos and
foetuses
which were never capable of thinking or feeling anything; and trying to
make
women who have aborted feel guilty.
As to the ones who claim to have lifelong regret about aborting, I'm
sick of
hearing about them. They're largely attention-seeking inadequates -
particularly the ones who tour the country telling everyone how they
suffered afterwards. They didn't want a child when they aborted and now
they want our sympathy - they are an insult to the millions of women,
myself
included, who miscarried a planned and much-wanted pregnancy. They are
an
even worse insult to parents who have lost a born child - again, myself
included - and that is something that you do grieve for the rest of your
life. It's time these women stopped feeling sorry for themselves and
got on
with their lives as the rest of us had to do.
Your opinion that a child does not feel pain prior to being
born is not based on fact;
Yes it is: the neurons don't get connected to the brain until about the 24th
week of gestation, and without that connection no pain can be felt.
the court has already ruled that
a fetus is a person -- I posted the following in 1996:
Abortion laws in the U.S. and shortly thereafter in
other countries may be changing soon.
How soon is soon? I haven't noticed any other countries outlawing abortion
since you wrote this 7 years ago. Just wishful thinking on your part, eh?
The Supreme Court
in South Carolina ruled yesterday (July 16, 1996) that a
viable fetus is a person.
Who's talking about viable foetuses? Certainly not me.
This decision was reached by
a five-judge panel who ruled that a mother is
prosecutable if she endangers the life of her fetus by
drug abuse.
I'm not familiar with US law so maybe you can tell me: is drug abuse by
anyone a prosecutable offence?
The defendant in the case is Cornelia
Whitner who received an eight-year prison sentence
because her newborn tested positive for cocaine
- Jai Maharaj, July 18, 1996
It is noted that you ignored the statement about the tens of millions of
street children - children who most definitely can feel pain. This rather
shows that your concern is not for the embryo or foetus but that your agenda
is the control of women.
--
June G
# 364
http://www.jgdodworth.demon.co.uk
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01 Sep 2003 11:41:54 AM |
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In article <bit58v$j45$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:writing-21nm9846if1.20030830@news.mantra.com...
In article <birodq$n93$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
[snip]
By Britney Glaser
Concerned Women of America
August 11, 2003
Musicians are singing about the negative impacts of
abortion.
Oh my! If they're writing pop songs about it then we must . . .
. . . write screenplays and make films that
promote life, not its destruction.
Actually, and this may come as a surprise to you, I couldn't agree more.
I
think bringing up a child should be given a far more positive image than
it
currently enjoys. Schoolchildren should be taught that babies are
precious
and deserve to be raised in a loving, stable environment; that no child
should be abused; that no child should have to live on the streets and
in
sewers as tens of millions are doing right now; that no child should
starve
to death. The song lyrics you quoted do nothing to promote life and
nothing
to help the existing children who are suffering daily: they are cheap
tat
trying to attribute thoughts and feelings to aborted embryos and
foetuses
which were never capable of thinking or feeling anything; and trying to
make
women who have aborted feel guilty.
As to the ones who claim to have lifelong regret about aborting, I'm
sick of
hearing about them. They're largely attention-seeking inadequates -
particularly the ones who tour the country telling everyone how they
suffered afterwards. They didn't want a child when they aborted and now
they want our sympathy - they are an insult to the millions of women,
myself
included, who miscarried a planned and much-wanted pregnancy. They are
an
even worse insult to parents who have lost a born child - again, myself
included - and that is something that you do grieve for the rest of your
life. It's time these women stopped feeling sorry for themselves and
got on
with their lives as the rest of us had to do.
Your opinion that a child does not feel pain prior to being
born is not based on fact;
Yes it is: the neurons don't get connected to the brain until about the 24th
week of gestation, and without that connection no pain can be felt.
the court has already ruled that
a fetus is a person -- I posted the following in 1996:
Abortion laws in the U.S. and shortly thereafter in
other countries may be changing soon.
How soon is soon? I haven't noticed any other countries outlawing abortion
since you wrote this 7 years ago. Just wishful thinking on your part, eh?
The Supreme Court
in South Carolina ruled yesterday (July 16, 1996) that a
viable fetus is a person.
Who's talking about viable foetuses? Certainly not me.
I am. Isn't it obvious? Your opinion that children
have no feeling before birth has been invalidated.
This decision was reached by
a five-judge panel who ruled that a mother is
prosecutable if she endangers the life of her fetus by
drug abuse.
I'm not familiar with US law so maybe you can tell me: is drug abuse by
anyone a prosecutable offence?
Endangering the life of another person is against the law.
The defendant in the case is Cornelia
Whitner who received an eight-year prison sentence
because her newborn tested positive for cocaine
- Jai Maharaj, July 18, 1996
It is noted that you ignored the statement about the tens of millions of
street children - children who most definitely can feel pain. This rather
shows that your concern is not for the embryo or foetus but that your agenda
is the control of women.
Are you saying that parents ought to be allowed to kill
their children? If so, you need help.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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01 Sep 2003 07:35:08 PM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:abortion-22nm9845gkf.20030901@news.mantra.com...
In article <bit58v$j45$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
[snip]
By Britney Glaser
Concerned Women of America
August 11, 2003
Musicians are singing about the negative impacts of
abortion.
Oh my! If they're writing pop songs about it then we must . . .
. . . write screenplays and make films that
promote life, not its destruction.
Actually, and this may come as a surprise to you, I couldn't agree
more.
I
think bringing up a child should be given a far more positive image
than
it
currently enjoys. Schoolchildren should be taught that babies are
precious
and deserve to be raised in a loving, stable environment; that no
child
should be abused; that no child should have to live on the streets
and
in
sewers as tens of millions are doing right now; that no child should
starve
to death. The song lyrics you quoted do nothing to promote life and
nothing
to help the existing children who are suffering daily: they are
cheap
tat
trying to attribute thoughts and feelings to aborted embryos and
foetuses
which were never capable of thinking or feeling anything; and trying
to
make
women who have aborted feel guilty.
As to the ones who claim to have lifelong regret about aborting, I'm
sick of
hearing about them. They're largely attention-seeking inadequates -
particularly the ones who tour the country telling everyone how they
suffered afterwards. They didn't want a child when they aborted and
now
they want our sympathy - they are an insult to the millions of
women,
myself
included, who miscarried a planned and much-wanted pregnancy. They
are
an
even worse insult to parents who have lost a born child - again,
myself
included - and that is something that you do grieve for the rest of
your
life. It's time these women stopped feeling sorry for themselves
and
got on
with their lives as the rest of us had to do.
Your opinion that a child does not feel pain prior to being
born is not based on fact;
Yes it is: the neurons don't get connected to the brain until about the
24th
week of gestation, and without that connection no pain can be felt.
the court has already ruled that
a fetus is a person -- I posted the following in 1996:
Abortion laws in the U.S. and shortly thereafter in
other countries may be changing soon.
How soon is soon? I haven't noticed any other countries outlawing
abortion
since you wrote this 7 years ago. Just wishful thinking on your part,
eh?
The Supreme Court
in South Carolina ruled yesterday (July 16, 1996) that a
viable fetus is a person.
Who's talking about viable foetuses? Certainly not me.
I am. Isn't it obvious?
It wasn't obvious, no. For a start, no woman who wants an abortion waits
until the sixth month when foetal viability is possible and when abortion is
much more dangerous than in the early weeks. The one per cent of foetuses
which are aborted after 24 weeks were obviously wanted by the pregnant
women, who will be heartbroken because something's gone drastically wrong.
Your opinion that children
have no feeling before birth has been invalidated.
Read a little more carefully - I did not say that viable foetuses have no
feeling. I said that before (about) 24 weeks they have no feeling, but they
are very, very rarely viable before 24 weeks. If you have evidence that
less mature foetuses can feel anything before the neurons have connected to
the brain, then publish it - the medical profession will beat a path to your
door, because no-one has ever shown that the brain, which is the only organ
capable of feeling, can register sensation without being connected to
neurons.
This decision was reached by
a five-judge panel who ruled that a mother is
prosecutable if she endangers the life of her fetus by
drug abuse.
I'm not familiar with US law so maybe you can tell me: is drug abuse by
anyone a prosecutable offence?
Endangering the life of another person is against the law.
That's not really answering my question. Can a non-pregnant person, hmm,
let's say a male, be prosecuted for taking drugs?
The defendant in the case is Cornelia
Whitner who received an eight-year prison sentence
because her newborn tested positive for cocaine
- Jai Maharaj, July 18, 1996
It is noted that you ignored the statement about the tens of millions of
street children - children who most definitely can feel pain. This
rather
shows that your concern is not for the embryo or foetus but that your
agenda
is the control of women.
Are you saying that parents ought to be allowed to kill
their children? If so, you need help.
How on earth did what I said in the above paragraph spark that question? I
would have thought that the implication that I care very much about
suffering children was clear, yet you ask me if I think it's OK that
children should be killed. Since it seems I have to spell it out, no, of
course I don't think parents ought to be allowed to kill their children.
--
June G
# 364
http://www.jgdodworth.demon.co.uk
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01 Sep 2003 09:34:53 PM |
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In article <bj0ojs$ljd$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
. . . no woman who wants an abortion waits
until the sixth month . . .
Why do you think that it is okay to kill a person
at a certain age but not another?
. . . I said that before (about) 24 weeks they have no feeling . . .
Prove it, or retract you claim. Persons have feelings, period.
Endangering the life of another person is against the law.
That's not really answering my question. . . .
Please read again: Endangering the life of another person is
against the law.
. . . of course I don't think parents ought to be allowed to kill their children.
"junegill" is against killing children, "junegill" is against abortion.
Congratulations.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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02 Sep 2003 06:10:22 PM |
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In article <bj20ok$e4j$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
I am against abortion . . .
Great, you're setting a good example for others!
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "junegill" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
03 Sep 2003 02:48:53 AM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:writing-23bm8735f.20030902@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj20ok$e4j$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
I am against abortion . . .
Great, you're setting a good example for others!
Oh look - 'creative' snipping! Who would have expected dishonesty from a
pro-lifer, eh?
--
June G
# 364
http://www.jgdodworth.demon.co.uk
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| User: "junegill" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
03 Sep 2003 07:18:38 PM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:abortion-23nm99845f.20030903@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj46d5$reu$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
news:writing-23bm8735f.20030902@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj20ok$e4j$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
I am against abortion . . .
Great, you're setting a good example for others!
Oh look - 'creative' snipping! Who would have expected dishonesty from
a
pro-lifer, eh?
Don't be dishonest -- you wrote that you are against
abortion.
You are so funny: you snip my sentence to make it mean other than what I
said and then accuse _me_ of dishonesty. Priceless! I wasn't the only one
to notice either. Here's the full quote:
I am against abortion for myself ... but that's my choice. Who am I and who
are you to deny other women the choice?
I notice that you didn't attempt to answer the question.
Stop trying to be popular among those who
support the ending of human lives. Do you think that
they really need you?
LOL. You really do have some strange ideas. I have more than enough
popularity in real life - it's nice to escape occasionally and have some 'me
time'. No, I don't think anyone on this newsgroup needs me - they got on
perfectly well before I started contributing and will do the same after I've
gone.
--
June G
# 364
http://www.jgdodworth.demon.co.uk
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
04 Sep 2003 03:59:11 AM |
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In article <bj60cu$nmg$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
news:abortion-23nm99845f.20030903@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj46d5$reu$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
news:writing-23bm8735f.20030902@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj20ok$e4j$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
I am against abortion . . .
Great, you're setting a good example for others!
Oh look - 'creative' snipping! Who would have expected dishonesty from
a
pro-lifer, eh?
Don't be dishonest -- you wrote that you are against
abortion.
I am against abortion for myself ... but that's my choice. . . .
Yes, you're against abortion. Bravo!
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
05 Sep 2003 04:01:38 PM |
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In article <abortion-23nm98345gf2.20030903@news.mantra.com>,
usenet@mantra.com says...
In article <bj60cu$nmg$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
news:abortion-23nm99845f.20030903@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj46d5$reu$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
news:writing-23bm8735f.20030902@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj20ok$e4j$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
I am against abortion . . .
Great, you're setting a good example for others!
Oh look - 'creative' snipping! Who would have expected dishonesty from
a
pro-lifer, eh?
Don't be dishonest -- you wrote that you are against
abortion.
======================REINSERTION==================================
June's actual words were:
I am against abortion for myself ... but that's my choice. Who am I and
who are you to deny other women the choice?
===================================================================
Yes, you're against abortion. Bravo!
Seems you have a problem with reading for comprehension... that's twice
now you have completely misinterpreted June's comment with its
qualifiers, and misquoted it too.
Or are you simply lying about what others write?
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
06 Sep 2003 01:16:18 AM |
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In article <MPG.19c30a0b991a62b298abfe@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
Pat Winstanley <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> posted:
In article <abortion-23nm98345gf2.20030903@news.mantra.com>,
Dr. Jai Maharaj says...
In article <bj60cu$nmg$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
news:abortion-23nm99845f.20030903@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj46d5$reu$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
news:writing-23bm8735f.20030902@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj20ok$e4j$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
I am against abortion . . .
Great, you're setting a good example for others!
Oh look - 'creative' snipping! Who would have expected dishonesty
from
a
pro-lifer, eh?
Don't be dishonest -- you wrote that you are against
abortion.
======================REINSERTION==================================
June's actual words were:
I am against abortion . . .
Indeed, she's against abortion.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
06 Sep 2003 01:16:32 PM |
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In article <MPG.19c3f4c4f003ae1c98ac14@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
Pat Winstanley <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> posted:
In article <abortion-00nm9845yf.20030905@news.mantra.com>,
Dr. Jai Maharaj says...
In article <MPG.19c30a0b991a62b298abfe@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
Pat Winstanley <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> posted:
In article <abortion-23nm98345gf2.20030903@news.mantra.com>,
Dr. Jai Maharaj says...
In article <bj60cu$nmg$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
news:abortion-23nm99845f.20030903@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj46d5$reu$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message
news:writing-23bm8735f.20030902@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj20ok$e4j$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
I am against abortion . . .
Great, you're setting a good example for others!
Oh look - 'creative' snipping! Who would have expected dishonesty
from
a
pro-lifer, eh?
Don't be dishonest -- you wrote that you are against
abortion.
June's actual words were:
I am against abortion . . .
Indeed, she's against abortion.
. . . She, personally, chose/chooses to continue her pregnancies.. . .
Exactly. She's against abortion.
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
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| User: "Snoopy" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
06 Sep 2003 03:52:17 PM |
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Johnny Adolph Jay "Can't Understand Normal Thinking" Maharaj wrote:
In article <MPG.19c3f4c4f003ae1c98ac14@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
Pat Winstanley <wallopcods2003@yahoo.co.uk> posted:
. . . She, personally, chose/chooses to continue her pregnancies.. . .
Exactly. She's against abortion.
There's a difference between her personal choice and her stand. Her
stand is pro-choice. Is that too difficult for your *****-trollogy addled
mind to understand? I don't think so, it simply appears that you are
just too f**king stupid to see what an ***** you are making of yourself.
Quick, Jay, what's the difference between a jyotishithead and a hooker?
A: The hooker's honest.
Got mangoes, boya?
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| User: "junegill" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
03 Sep 2003 07:10:45 AM |
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"Snoopy" <snoopy@charlie.brown's> wrote in message
news:C3i5b.22137$NC2.7971@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
junegill wrote:
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:writing-23bm8735f.20030902@news.mantra.com...
In article <bj20ok$e4j$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
I am against abortion . . .
Great, you're setting a good example for others!
Oh look - 'creative' snipping! Who would have expected dishonesty from
a
pro-lifer, eh?
Jay's not a pro-lifer, by any means.
Ah, just an anti-choicer who wants to control women then ... and quite a lot
of other people too from the sound of it.
Responding to a news item about
Muslims dying in an earthquake, Jay wrote, "Ram naam satya ho!", which
loosely translated means "God is great!". Honolulu is blemished by the
presence of that guttersnipe asstrolloger scumbag.
--
June G
# 364
http://www.jgdodworth.demon.co.uk
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| User: "Patrick Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
03 Sep 2003 02:08:05 AM |
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(Jay Stevens, in his kook form as "Dr. Jai Maharaj") writes:
In article <bj20ok$e4j$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
I am against abortion . . .
Great, you're setting a good example for others!
You're showing the net what a liar you are, Jay, since you carefully clipped
that last statement of June's. Here's what she typed:
I am against abortion -- for myself, but that's my choice.
Go back to trolling alt.astrology, faker.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
"Hurry, Krishna! Hurry, Krishna! RAM IT! RAM IT!"
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
02 Sep 2003 06:13:34 PM |
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Great, you're setting a good example for others!
*********************
How by expressing an opinon?.......wow, what a novel concept.........
to a fucking moron, perhaps......like yourself
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| User: "Snoopy" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
02 Sep 2003 12:38:50 AM |
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Johnny Judas Jay "Kill the Xtian scum!" Maharaj wrote:
In article <bj0ojs$ljd$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
. . . no woman who wants an abortion waits
until the sixth month . . .
Why do you think that it is okay to kill a person
at a certain age but not another?
Johnny boya, why do you think it is okay to kill children of one faith
but not another?
. . . I said that before (about) 24 weeks they have no feeling . . .
Prove it, or retract you claim. Persons have feelings, period.
Prove your claim that you are a "doctor", or retract it. You are an
*****, period.
Endangering the life of another person is against the law.
That's not really answering my question. . . .
Please read again: Endangering the life of another person is
against the law.
And yet you and your cohorts in India have no problem with not only
endangering the lives of others, but taking them as well.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/20josy.htm
http://www.ambedkar.org/News/News050902.htm
http://www.ffcl.org/GUJARAT/survivors/hospitals.htm
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=27599
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| User: "Snoopy" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
01 Sep 2003 03:09:42 PM |
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Johnny Adolph Jay "Love that roast leg of Xtian kid" Maharaj wrote:
Are you saying that parents ought to be allowed to kill
their children? If so, you need help.
So do you, Johnny boya, when you insist that killing Christian children
is simply a part of a "cleansing" process. You maggot jyotishithead!
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| User: "Snoopy" |
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| Title: Re: SINGING A SAD TUNE: Pain of Abortion Emerges In Pop Music |
01 Sep 2003 01:31:54 AM |
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Johnny Adolph Jay "Kill the f**king Muslims" Maharaj wrote:
In article <birodq$n93$1@hercules.btinternet.com>,
"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> posted:
Actually, and this may come as a surprise to you, I couldn't agree more. I
think bringing up a child should be given a far more positive image than it
currently enjoys. Schoolchildren should be taught that babies are precious
and deserve to be raised in a loving, stable environment; that no child
should be abused; that no child should have to live on the streets and in
sewers as tens of millions are doing right now; that no child should starve
to death. The song lyrics you quoted do nothing to promote life and nothing
to help the existing children who are suffering daily: they are cheap tat
trying to attribute thoughts and feelings to aborted embryos and foetuses
which were never capable of thinking or feeling anything; and trying to make
women who have aborted feel guilty.
[.........]
Your opinion that a child does not feel pain prior to being
born is not based on fact; the court has already ruled that
a fetus is a person -- I posted the following in 1996:
What difference does it make to you, you filthy jackbooted jyotishit
thug? You, who delights in the burning of Christian children, in the
rape of Muslim women and the murders of missionaries? Your presence in
any abortion debate is an abomination.
Got mangoes, you maggot jyotishit?
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